[AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaii Records
You all might already have this info but thought I would pass it along. While searching for a relative's Japanese ancestors, I came upon this site which has passenger lists including Portuguese ones and a lot of other goodies. So if you are looking for Hawaii information, it's a great site. http://archives1.dags.hawaii.gov/gsdl/cgi-bin/library?a=pp=homel=enw=utf-8 E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de or da
In a message dated 2/26/2010 6:24:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: As a kid, I was told something about De vs de being royalty. That's not the way Portuguese grammar works. de basically means of. da would be the equivalent of the English contraction of the (with the next word ending in a signifying feminine). da musica (of the music - music ends in a so you use da). do would be the equivalent of the English contraction of the (with the next word ending in o signifying masculine). do carro (of the car - car ends in o so you use do). d' is one of those things where you put the apostrophe when you're missing a letter. In English, that would be in words such as don't. The d' in Portuguese is either de da or do, depending on the next word. di I think is Italian. I've had a couple of Italian kids in my class and I seem to remember their names being Di Whatever. de, da, do in Portuguese isn't capitalized. We don't capitalize prepositions in English and they don't seem to do it in Portuguese. However, when someone who is not born in the U.S. (and possibly Canada) comes into the new country and says that their last name is da Costa the person (who was schooled English to capital last names) writes Da Costa because they were taught to capitalize last names. I don't have my Portuguese grammar books handy, so I'm remembering this off the top of my head. The native speakers will be able to correct what I'm not remembering correctly. Your explanation is exactly correct. I will add only one additional piece of information. Some years ago the government decided that the Portuguese were getting carried away with too many family names and issued a decree that all birth registries would be limited as to how many family names could be taken. You can imagine the consternation of the blue bloods! And they found an easy way around that by using de and e and hyphens to make two names out of several. Let us imagine that I come from a long line of blue bloods and my mother's family are the Oliveira Soares and Pacheco Mirandas and my father's lined are the Raposos and Vasconcelos. My father tries to register me as João Miguel Oliveira Soares Pacheco Miranda de Vasconcelos Raposo but the registrar points out that I can have only two family names, so I become João Miguel Soares de Miranda e Raposo de Vasconcelos!!! When I take on genealogical research, whenever I come on somebody with half a dozen last names I know that I am probably on the way to discovering a line of landed gentry. John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Beira
There isn't FLAVIN in Portuguese or Portugal. There are name similar first names like Flavio or Flaviano, but no Flavim. The name Flavio (Flavius) has a diminutive nick Flavinho, but I've never seem it used as surname. JS Lopes De: eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com Para: azores@googlegroups.com Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 26 de Fevereiro de 2010 21:10:15 Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Beira MJ, This surname isn't found in any record database relating to Portugal. It's fairly common in Ireland and also found in France. Here is post from Ancestry.com found in the Flavin Message board. I am looking for the birth records of WILLIAM FLAVIN born in Ireland about 1888. At some point he came to South Africa where he married and had a daughter who he named MARY ANN(E) FLAVIN. I do not know which county he was born in. If anyone can help please contact me. Eric On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 3:59 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: MJ, Do you have her death certificate or marriage certificate. That might verify where she was born. Eric On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:43 AM, EmJay one2know_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi everyone, I am searching for my grandmother's birth record and I have reason to believe she might have been born in Beira about 1914 to 1918. I wonder if anyone can advise me on how to search for a such a birth record or even if such a birth record exists? There is a bit of confusion about her first names, but her last name was Flavin. (Sorry, I don't speak Portuguese) I would be happy to try to help anyone with questions on South African genealogy. Many thanks MJ (South Africa) -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Res: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de or da
I think names like DaCosta was created under influence of Dutch names like DeSchepper (De Schepper), or Italian (DeMatteis for De Matteis; DiMaggio for Di Maggio). As in English is not usual prepositions in surnames; foreign-origin families who want to keep their original form needs to adapt them to a single name, combining preposition+name. A different development ocurred in Spanish surnames of Portuguese origin (too common in Uruguay or Argentina), with a wrong treatment of the preposition, examples: Portuguese da Costa Spanish de Acosta da Rosa = de Arrosa da Cunha = de Acuña. JS Lopes De: Carlos Bertemes bremen...@yahoo.com.br Para: azores@googlegroups.com Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 26 de Fevereiro de 2010 21:08:34 Assunto: Re: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de or da ... writes Da Costa because they were taught to capitalize last names .. although DA, DE, DO is used in surnames, its not a surname, its just a preposition, thats why we dont capitalize these prepositions except when it starts a new sentence right after a periode, or when it is the first word on a paragraph. I just dont understand why in america they write DaCosta, instead of da Costa You are right, DI is italian I appreciated your explanation, even I couldn't have explained it so correctly Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - Long Island/NY-USA Pesquisando: Santa Catarina, Alemanha, Franca, Holanda, Belgica, Espanha Portugal, Italia, Luxemburgo Reinert, Jungklaus, Van der Gocht, Ottekier, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Bertemes, Schilling, Fiorenzano, Feijo, Martins, Costa, Dutra, Dias, Silveira, Gato, Sodre, Andre, Arruda, Aguiar, Lemos, Machado, Mattos, Silveira, Mello, Miranda, Leal Quadrado, Rebello, Marques, Brasil, Teixeira, Baptista, Jorge, Van der Burggerie --- Em sex, 26/2/10, Lionel Holmes lionelholme...@gmail.com escreveu: De: Lionel Holmes lionelholme...@gmail.com Assunto: Re: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de or da Para: azores@googlegroups.com Data: Sexta-feira, 26 de Fevereiro de 2010, 18:42 Good explanation! On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: As a kid, I was told something about De vs de being royalty. That's not the way Portuguese grammar works. de basically means of. da would be the equivalent of the English contraction of the (with the next word ending in a signifying feminine). da musica (of the music - music ends in a so you use da). do would be the equivalent of the English contraction of the (with the next word ending in o signifying masculine). do carro (of the car - car ends in o so you use do). d' is one of those things where you put the apostrophe when you're missing a letter. In English, that would be in words such as don't. The d' in Portuguese is either de da or do, depending on the next word. di I think is Italian. I've had a couple of Italian kids in my class and I seem to remember their names being Di Whatever. de, da, do in Portuguese isn't capitalized. We don't capitalize prepositions in English and they don't seem to do it in Portuguese. However, when someone who is not born in the U.S. (and possibly Canada) comes into the new country and says that their last name is da Costa the person (who was schooled English to capital last names) writes Da Costa because they were taught to capitalize last names. I don't have my Portuguese grammar books handy, so I'm remembering this off the top of my head. The native speakers will be able to correct what I'm not remembering correctly. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! + Buscados: Top 10 - Celebridades - Música - Esportes -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
[AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Beira
Topic: Beira eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com Feb 26 04:10PM -0800 ^ MJ, This surname isn't found in any record database relating to Portugal. It's fairly common in Ireland and also found in France. Here is post from Ancestry.com found in the Flavin Message board. Eric Thank you Eric, and that Ancestry post was one I posted a long time ago! I am aware that Flavin is an Irish surname, but it doesn't seem as if my grandmother was born in Ireland (although her father was). I found evidence that her parents travelled to Beira several times, so I just wondered if she was born there. It was worth a try. Thanks again. MJ -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Restaurant name
Hi, This is a request for the name of the Portuguese restaurant in the coastal California area mentioned numerous times on this list. I'm staying in Watsonville. This is a little off topic, but members of this list have made it sound great! and I happen to be in the area and would like to try it. Thanks in advance for any assistance you can give. -Donna -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Beira
EmJay, I found three Beiras in the world. Beira, Mozambique Beira, Portugal Beira on Sao Jorge Island, part of the Azores archipelago. What document did you find stating your ancestor was born in the Azores? Depending on the time period, they can call the Azores the Western Islands or Western Isles too. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Beira
Beira records are found in Velas, Sao Jorge. Kathy * Sent to you from my iPhone * On Feb 27, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: EmJay, I found three Beiras in the world. Beira, Mozambique Beira, Portugal Beira on Sao Jorge Island, part of the Azores archipelago. What document did you find stating your ancestor was born in the Azores? Depending on the time period, they can call the Azores the Western Islands or Western Isles too. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Arruda and Resende (there are Rapozo that doesnt belong to me)
Hello Carlos, I have Leal's and da Cunha's in my line...from Calheta Sao Jorge, I also have Pereira's...my computer is currently down and I am at the library so I do not have all my stuff with me.Are you interested in comparing these lines to see if there is a connection? If so, next time I will be prepared and send to your private email. Calvena V. da Avila Brazil From: Carlos Bertemes bremen...@yahoo.com.br To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 3:24:52 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Arruda and Resende (there are Rapozo that doesnt belong to me) I have Catarina Leal daughter of Antonio Dias da Cunha and Apolonia Pereira. Antonio Dias da Cunha is from Calheta, Sao Jorge, Azores Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil Pesquisando: Santa Catarina, Alemanha, Franca, Holanda, Belgica, Espanha Portugal, Italia, Luxemburgo Reinert, Jungklaus, Van der Gocht, Ottekier, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Bertemes, Schilling, Fiorenzano, Feijo, Martins, Costa, Dutra, Dias, Silveira, Gato, Sodre, Andre, Arruda, Aguiar, Lemos, Machado, Mattos, Silveira, Mello, Miranda, Leal Quadrado, Rebello, Marques, Brasil, Teixeira, Baptista, Jorge, Van der Burggerie --- Em ter, 16/2/10, Alda Jorge aldaspl...@gmail.com escreveu: De: Alda Jorge aldaspl...@gmail.com Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Arruda and Resende (there are Rapozo that doesnt belong to me) Para: azores@googlegroups.com Data: Terça-feira, 16 de Fevereiro de 2010, 7:47 I am looking for Jorge born in Fail but live in Pico for a while and now his family resides in Toronto any info would be appreciated first name Guilherme I know some Leals from Terceira and others from Pico not personally but of them anyway I can help On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Alvin Goularte agoula...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi Carlos, Which islands were your Jorge and Leal from? I have Jorge from Pico and Leal from Terceira. Al Goularte From: Carlos Bertemes bremen...@yahoo.com.br To: azo...@googlegroups Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 4:07:19 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Arruda and Resende (there are Rapozo that doesnt belong to me) Dear friends, I am looking for my end of line Manoel Arruda b. 1710 and Maria Resendes b. 1715 both in Nortinho, Sao Pedro Sao Miguel Island. I dont have parents for Manoel Arruda but Maria Resendes is the daughter of Francisco Pereira died before 27/jun/ 1737 and Margarida Costa. Maria Resende also married Joao Raposo in 12/ mar/1740 in Nordestinho, Sao Pedro, Ilha De Sao Miguel,Acores, Portugal Manoel Arruda and Maria Resende, married in jun 27/1737 in Achada Grande, Ilha de Sao Miguel, Acores, Portugal They had the children: 1- Jose Pereira da Costa b. 1735 Freguesia de São Pedro,Ilha de São Miguel,Açores,Portugal married to Francisca Ignacia Rosa born in Sao Miguel, Graciosa Island by 1752 and died in Desterro/SC/Brazil in 27/mar/1819. Jose died also in Desterro in 23/ja/1803 2- Manoel Arruda Jr. born in 4/jan/1736 in Vera Cruz, Ponta Delgada, Ilha Sao Miguel, Acores, Portugal, and had another child Arruda. Please let me know if anyone know about these people they are my 6th freat grandparents. Please send messages to my private email below. Thank you Carlos Bertemes Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil Pesquisando: Santa Catarina, Alemanha, Franca, Holanda, Belgica, Espanha Portugal, Italia, Luxemburgo Reinert, Jungklaus, Van der Gocht, Ottekier, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Bertemes, Schilling, Fiorenzano, Feijo, Martins, Costa, Dutra, Dias, Silveira, Gato, Sodre, Andre, Arruda, Aguiar, Lemos, Machado, Mattos, Silveira, Mello, Miranda, Leal Quadrado, Rebello, Marques, Brasil, Teixeira, Baptista, Jorge, Van der Burggerie Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! + Buscados: Top 10 - Celebridades - Música - Esportes -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- www.aldasplace.ca Alda B. owner/operator -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships Records/Hawaii
Hi: I am just now reading your correspondence. This is what I found: From: IMMIGRATION FROM AZORES TO HAWAII 1879-1883. (Author Bob de Mello) Page 144 bottom of page. FERNANDES, Luis,age 39 Father: Jose de Medieros Fernandes Mother: Antonia Jacinta From F. (Faja) de Cima WIFE; Rose de Jesus, age 25 CHILDREN Manual 4, Jose 6 months #347 Monarch From: CONSULADO GERAL DE PORTUGAL EM HAWAII #895 Luiz Fernandes , age 39 from? Ponta Delgada Married with: Rosa de Jesus, age 25 CHILDREN Manuel 4 Jose 6 months Jacki: I see that you live in California. So do I. What is your phone number? I can call you. Also, we could meet at the State Library in Sacramento sometime after it stops raining. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Iris Bilodeau To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:36 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships Records/Hawaii Aloha again Jacki G. I don't know which island the ships landed. My guess would be Oahu first then some were taken to other islands. Two sets of my great-grandparents eventually landed on Maui. But my Oliveira great grandparents went to Kauai before Maui. Have you tried contacting The Portuguese Genealogical Historical Society of Hawaii? 810 North Vineyard Blvd., Rm 11 Honolulu, Hawaii, 96817 808 841-5044 or Doris at 808-455-2142. It's only $10 a year dues to be a member. Here is what it says about the Steamship Monarch in The Portuguese in Hawaii by John Henry Felix, Ph.D. (out of print) #7. Steamship Monarch (British) arrived Sept 15, 1882, 57 days out from St. Michael (Sao Miguel), Azores, with 202 men, 197 women, 458 children. Mele Kalikimaka, Iris --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Jacki G. ja...@cdmmarketing.com wrote: From: Jacki G. ja...@cdmmarketing.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships Records/Hawaii To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:38 PM Mahalo Iris That does help. It gives me an approximate year of birth for Luiz and Jose. I haven't been able yet to find Luiz on any census and I didn't know that Jose existed before two days ago. Do you know if that would that be the island of Ohau where they arrived? Thank you Jacki Pittsburg, California, USA Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Perriera, Azevedo Islands: Faial Sao Miguel -- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Iris Bilodeau Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2.18 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships Records/Hawaii Aloha Jacki, This is what I have on page 220: #204 Fernandes, Luiz age 40. Arrived Hawaii on the Monarch in 1882 from Sao Miguel. With wife Roza de Jesus age 25. Children: Manoel (no age) and Jose 4months. Hope this helps Jacki. Iris Cabral Bilodeau. --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Jacki G. ja...@cdmmarketing.com wrote: From: Jacki G. ja...@cdmmarketing.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships Records/Hawaii To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 11:19 AM Iris, If you have time, I would greatly appreciate you looking up Luiz and Roza Fernandes and their son Manuel and possibly another son Jose. I found an index card for them in June of 1882 on the SS Monarch but have been unable to find the actual manifest. I am pretty sure that this is my g great grandfather Manuel Fernandes and his parents and brother. If I could find more info about them, I could be more sure. According to Roza's death cert and the info from one of the census' she immigrated somewhere between 1880 and 1885 with her husband and at least one son. She was born Jan 1859 and her son was born Aug 1878. I don't know any dates for Luiz. Thank you Jacki Pittsburg, California, USA Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Perreira, Azevedo Islands: Faial Sao Miguel -- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Iris Bilodeau Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8.14 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships Records/Hawaii Speaking of Ships Records, I have a book called Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii. Compiled by
Re: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de or da
Ana/Nancy, I like your new name. It could be because I had a great grandmother, Anna Felizarda de Vasconcellos born on Flores. That was both her maiden name and her married name because she was married to her first cousin, my great grandfather, Francisco Victorino de Vasconcellos. Regards, John Vasconcelos On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:12 AM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks all for the responsesit helped clarify for me which to use. Now, the deed is done and the paintings are at the printers for notecards and my final name based on your feedback feels right! Kind regards, Ana Felizarda de Castro Baptista (I feel like one of my ancestors making a name change.so easy for them to do and yet my lawyer wants $500.00.oh for the good old days when all you had to do was say my name is such and such and so it was! Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:51:27 -0800 Subject: Re: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de or da From: thomas.deco...@usmc.mil To: azores@googlegroups.com Or in my case, it was da Costa Vasconcellos in the Azores. In Hawaii, it became De Costa. Someone had once told me that in medieval times that de meant from royalty, do from the church, da was a peasant, and di I forgot... anyway, I have never read that anywhere else On Feb 24, 8:11 am, George Pacheco bretanha1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nancy! To anwswer your question or should it be de Castro. it is written as de Castro. George On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:07 PM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Sorry groupthought this was to Joao but I goofed! Nancy From: fishsongf...@hotmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de or da Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:04:28 -0600 Greetings Joao, I wonder if you could clarify something for me? I'd like to return to my Portuguese name since Baptiste was never our real name and we've had it since 1893. I've begun painting again and my work is Azorean scenesI'd like to sign with my Portuguese name..I want to take my grandmothers name, several of them used Felizarda da Castro and I'm wondering if it's correct or should it be de Castro. Best regards, Nancy Jean Baptiste/...Anna Felizarda da Castro Baptista Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:43:52 -0700 From: josim...@yahoo.com.br Subject: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de or da To: Azores@googlegroups.com Yes, it's a devotional name. Maria do Corpo de Deus de Costa Maria do Corpo de Deus = Mary of the Body of God de Costa = the real family surname Portuguese de = Spanish, French de = Dutch van = German von Devotional surnames were not originally family surnames, but later they can become one. Maria de Sao Jose = Mary of Saint Joseph Maria do Nascimento = Mary of the Birth (of Jesus) Maria da Conceicao = Mary of the Conception Maria da Luz = Mary of the Light (after Our Lady of the Light) Along XVIIIth Century, almost all women have devotional instead of familiar surnames. You will find lots and lots of Maria de Jesus, Maria da Conceicao, Maria do Rosario, Maria de Sao Pedro, Maria da Piedade, etc. Sometimes these surnames refered to birth's date saints: children born or baptized near Christmas could be named do Nascimento; near Saint Joseph's day, de Sao Jose, etc., but it's not a rigid rule. Combined with family surnames: Maria da Luz Pereira or Maria Pereira da Luz. Sometimes these combos go on and become a family name: Pereira das Neves, Pereira da Luz, Silveira do Nascimento. Other devotional surnames came from saints' epithets, like Joao Batista (John the Baptizer), Joao Evangelista (John the Evangelist), Francisco Xavier, Francisco de Assis, applied to a single person, who passed to its descendants. In Vila do Topo, there was a Joao Batista de Santana who become the origin of a vast family Batista. JS Lopes De: carmen furtado carmen_furt...@yahoo.com Para: Azores@googlegroups.com Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 13 de Abril de 2009 13:32:26 Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de or da I have a Maria do Corpo do Deus deCosta on my family tree - are the two 'dos' correct? Thanks. Carmen From: Marek Delacroix marekdelacr...@yahoo.com To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 2:19:18 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de or da Thank you Cheri...Our family name is Da Avila Brazil...but I have seen it De Avila Brazil...so it could be either and be right? Thank you From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com To:
