Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] death records
Rita, You would write the corresponding civil registry. Sao Miguel has 6. The addresses can be found here: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/genresources.html Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Henriques family of Flores Island
Hello Cheri, I am researching my father's side of the family. His name was Mauricio Rodrigues Henriques. He was actually born in Rhode Island in 1931 (Maurice Rogers Henriques on birth certificate) but grew up from the age of 2 to 17 in the freguesia of Mosteiro (Mosteiros). His father, José Rodrigues Henriques, was also from Mosteiro as was his mother, Maria Jesus Mancebo born in 1885. Her father, José Rodrigues Mancebo was also from Mosteiro. The wedding and baptismal records that I've reviewed (from Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores) to get this information was helpful but hard to read due to the handwriting. I have not yet tracked down the information on my grandfather from Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores. You mentioned in your last message (below) that some list members, who are Flores researchers, have a Flores marriage book. I would like to get in touch with these individuals, or any researchers for Flores, and obtain information from any resources available. Anyone that would like to contact me directly at my personal e-mail can do so at sacja...@yahoo.com Any other resources for Flores that you or anyone else can provide to me would be very much appreciated. Obrigado, James Henriques From: Cheri Mello To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 2:34:42 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angel Island, Calif Marek, It's kind of hard without a date or name for your ancestor. If you could provide the name and date (you've probably posted it before at some point in time), maybe Elaine can do a look up (she has Ancestry World and I don't - I'm sure others have it too; Elaine comes to mind). If you can give the name and the time period, she might try "Brio" under "Baroa," "Beiro," "Breu," or "Birao." I got Ancestry to give me soundex names and those came up. I think they might be some pretty good butcherizations of Portuguese names. There are list members who are Flores researchers who have the Flores marriage book. If some has looked up your ancestor and hasn't found him, provide the names and approximate dates of his siblings, as one of them may turn up in the book. |Sometimes you have to chase the spouse or siblings to find the info on your ancestry. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
[AZORES-Genealogy] death records
where could i find a death record for 1974 sao miguel acores . thanks -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records
I was told "natural son" means the parents were living together; however, they
were not married. Celeste, Hayward, CA
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records
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Hi Nancy & Cheri,
It looks like natural son (first of the name) of Anna Victorina Reis and Joao
Silveira born and living in this village. Maternal grandson of Jorge Silveira
and Marianna do Rozario. Shouldn't it say paternal grandson if the father's
last name is Silveira? Never mind. I don't think I've read any that sounded
right. Can't wait to get to the archives in Ponta Delgada in August.
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Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2010 1:01:30 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records
Hi Nancy,
Hmm, that's a tough one. The scan is fantastic (thanks Joao!) Once you get
used to the writing, it's not too terrible, but why did he have to scrawl
there?
More eyes are needed! For those wanting to take a look (use IE or Safari,
not Firefox):
http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/SJCTB1860-1869/SJCTB1860-1869_item1/P82.html
Or use this TinyURL if that one doesn't work:
http://tinyurl.com/yexhcsv
On the second page, the 3rd & 4th lines from the bottom:
... son natural (first of the name) of Anna Victorina Reis? (can't quite
make that out)
and of Joao Silvania? (? ?) natives and living in this ... etc etc.
Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records
Hi it says, Antonio is the natural son of Anna Victorina Reis, *widow* of Joao Silveira etc. Maternal grandson of Jorge Silveira and Marianna do Rozario. The record clearly indicates Antonio is of "unknown" father, her husband is deceased and if the child were his it would say "posthumus" child of Joao Silveira. Another indicator is the word "natural" versus "legitimate" Hope this helps. Margaret Vicente. On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 9:14 PM, wrote: > Hi Nancy & Cheri, > > > > It looks like natural son (first of the name) of Anna Victorina Reis and > Joao Silveira born and living in this village. Maternal grandson of Jorge > Silveira and Marianna do Rozario. Shouldn't it say paternal grandson if the > father's last name is Silveira? Never mind. I don't think I've read any that > sounded right. Can't wait to get to the archives in Ponta Delgada in August. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Cheri Mello" > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2010 1:01:30 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records > > Hi Nancy, > > Hmm, that's a tough one. The scan is fantastic (thanks Joao!) Once you > get > used to the writing, it's not too terrible, but why did he have to scrawl > there? > > More eyes are needed! For those wanting to take a look (use IE or Safari, > not Firefox): > > http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/SJCTB1860-1869/SJCTB1860-1869_item1/P82.html > Or use this TinyURL if that one doesn't work: > http://tinyurl.com/yexhcsv > > On the second page, the 3rd & 4th lines from the bottom: > ... son natural (first of the name) of Anna Victorina Reis? (can't quite > make that out) > and of Joao Silvania? (? ?) natives and living in this ... etc etc. > > Cheri > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > > To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records
Hi Nancy & Cheri, It looks like natural son (first of the name) of Anna Victorina Reis and Joao Silveira born and living in this village. Maternal grandson of Jorge Silveira and Marianna do Rozario. Shouldn't it say paternal grandson if the father's last name is Silveira? Never mind. I don't think I've read any that sounded right. Can't wait to get to the archives in Ponta Delgada in August. - Original Message - From: "Cheri Mello" To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2010 1:01:30 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records Hi Nancy, Hmm, that's a tough one. The scan is fantastic (thanks Joao!) Once you get used to the writing, it's not too terrible, but why did he have to scrawl there? More eyes are needed! For those wanting to take a look (use IE or Safari, not Firefox): http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/SJCTB1860-1869/SJCTB1860-1869_item1/P82.html Or use this TinyURL if that one doesn't work: http://tinyurl.com/yexhcsv On the second page, the 3rd & 4th lines from the bottom: ... son natural (first of the name) of Anna Victorina Reis? (can't quite make that out) and of Joao Silvania? (? ?) natives and living in this ... etc etc. Cheri -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Diniz family in Hayward, CA
dear celeste, thanks for the info regards the diniz family in hayward ca. a cousin started getting a family history together a few years ago. as soon as i am able to find him, ill have more information. his name is andrew correia raposa and i think he is living on the east coast. in 1937, i visited mary diniz in hayward with my parents. i think she had two sons. also, i believe she anglicized he name to dennis. also, we visited her daughter, who was a nun, somewhere near the russian river. i hope to have additional info for you soon. thanks and a big abraco. art soares arthur4...@sbcglobal.net --- On Tue, 3/30/10, celeste perry wrote: From: celeste perry Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Diniz family in Hayward, CA To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 3:53 PM Again, Eric, thanks. Not yet quite enough to go on. I will try to find out if John was a member of one of the men's fraternal lodges at the time of his death. Might find some info. that helps narrow down the information you have found. Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com --- On Tue, 3/30/10, eric edgar wrote: From: eric edgar Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Diniz family in Hayward, CA To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 12:51 PM Celeste, According to my databases in Vila Nova, Terceira, there were no Joao Diniz born 1866, but there were two born in 1865. Joao, son of Diniz, Francisco Machado Emilia Rosa and Joao, son of Diniz, Francisco Borges Maria Rosa with grandparents Diniz, Joao Borges Machado Julianna Rosa Valladao, Manuel Jacintho Marianna Josefa The parish records for Praia da Vitoria are not online at the CCA, so further info will have to come from LDS films Eric On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:30 AM, celeste perry wrote: Hi Arthur, I live in Hayward, CA and have been trying to help a friend whose grandmother was named Mary Deniz. My friend's mother was known as Mamie Deniz and, as you probably know, many women were named Maria and used Mary, Mamie, and Mae as their first name here in the USA. Also, I have seen Diniz spelled, Deniz, Dinis, Denis and Dennis. In any case, the Mary Deniz that is my friend's grandmother was married to John (Joao) M. Deniz Machado. This Mary used the name Mary Machado Deniz. In 1914, in the Mt. St. Joseph Cemetery records, Mr. John M. Deniz Machado purchased 4 graves and in one of them he buried his 10 month old son, Alexander (Alex) Deniz Machado. In the same records, Mae (Mammie Dolores) Rose was buried in 1929. In 1934, Mary Machado Deniz (wife of John M. Deniz Machado) was buried. In 1941, Frank Lewis (Rebello) was buried. The funeral home from which he was buried lists his wife as Mamie Lewis and his parents as Francisco Lewis Rebello and Filomena Augusta Medeiros both from the Azores. In the 1920 census, Mary was listed as divorced and had a son, Arthur L. who was 20 years old; a son, John who was 18 years old and a daughter, Mamie M. who was 16 years old. The father of these children was listed as being born in the Azores. I am trying to find the birth place of John & Mary. I have Azores on the 1920 census; however, I need, at least the island to begin searching for their birth. Does any of this information match the Mary Diniz you visited in Hayward? Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE ME" as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE ME" as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Beware of trapping Portuguese names: useful tips
Dear Joao, Thanks for the clear explanation of some of the "old" names. I know that I have run across Gracia & Garcia being interchangable in Portugal. It's great to have some of the other names shown too. Rosemarie - Original Message - From: Joao S. Lopes To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:10 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Beware of trapping Portuguese names: useful tips For those that don't know Portuguese first names, and particularly, XV-XIX centuries names, I think it's useful to select some curiosities: Ventura = can be a female name (= "venture, happiness, fortune") or a male (short for Boaventura, Saint Bonaventura, a canonized Franciscan friar) Gracia = can be a female name (= "grace", from Latin Gratia, and sometimes synonym of Engracia, from "in gratia"), but also a male name, an older variation of Garcia (originally a common Iberic first name, turned into a patronymic surname). The same phonetic variation is found in pairs Barcelos/Bracelos, Curvelo/Cruvelo/Curuvelo/Coruvelo/Corvelo, Carvalho/Cravalho, Cardoso/Cradoso. Other possible variants: Rosario/Rosairo, Beatriz/Brites/Breitiz/Breatiz, -is, Iria/Hiria/Eiria/Hyria, Gomes/Guomes, Gaspar/Guaspar, Gabriel/Graviel/Garaviel/Grabiel. There's a lot of written variations of all names, without etymological explanation. We can found Ascensao/Ascençao/Assensao, the correct being Ascensao (with tilde). We can foun "sinco" instead of "cinco"; "ceis" instead of "seis"; "sento" instead of "cento"; Roxa/Rocha, Machado/Maxado. Sometimes we can found the variaton in the same register. I prefer to standardized all these names when put them into my database, to prevent a crazy difficulty in research. For example, Felipe can be with F or Ph; e or i; L or LL; i or y; P or PP = 2 x 2x 2x2x2 = 32 variants! JS Lopes Rio, Brasil -- Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! + Buscados: Top 10 - Celebridades - Música - Esportes -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angel Island, Calif
Marek, It's kind of hard without a date or name for your ancestor. If you could provide the name and date (you've probably posted it before at some point in time), maybe Elaine can do a look up (she has Ancestry World and I don't - I'm sure others have it too; Elaine comes to mind). If you can give the name and the time period, she might try "Brio" under "Baroa," "Beiro," "Breu," or "Birao." I got Ancestry to give me soundex names and those came up. I think they might be some pretty good butcherizations of Portuguese names. There are list members who are Flores researchers who have the Flores marriage book. If some has looked up your ancestor and hasn't found him, provide the names and approximate dates of his siblings, as one of them may turn up in the book. |Sometimes you have to chase the spouse or siblings to find the info on your ancestry. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angel Island, Calif
Cheri...I am at a stand still trying to figure out where my great great grandparents (maternal) came from. I know that my gg grandpa was born on Flores..(says so on his grave marker)..no idea about his wife. But, my family all came from Azores to mine for gold and ended-up in Siskiyou County, CA where they did operate a mining claim or two. I know that my great grandfather's brother was shipwrecked near Seattle, Washington (Joao de Avila Brasil) on his way to America and that he spent a few months on an island around Seattle with the natives. So I am beginning to wonder if perhaps my family came through Angel Island near San Francisco. Also, My gg grandmother's family just seem to have dropped off the face of the earth. I know she had a brother who registered for WWI...other than that there are no indications of what happened to any of them, no marriage records, birth or death records can be found. Also the name has proved to be very difficult "BRIO" which apparently is Italian, it could have been Brito which apparently there are a few on Flores...I haven't been able to find Flores records. Thanks for all the help...Marek From: Cheri Mello To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 10:06:22 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angel Island, Calif Marek, Looks like there is an immigration port there. Check the LDS catalog to see what was filmed. The bigger ports for Azoreans were on the east coast (Providence, Boston, New Bedford, New York) and then to HI and I think somewhat to San Francisco. But I've heard of a couple of stories where they did come in through a lesser known port. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Diniz family in Hayward, CA
Celeste, I found this ship's record and it could be your John Machado Deniz, unfortunately, it does not give much info: Schooner Forest Fairy sailing Sept. 24,1888 from Fayal to Boston: Joao M. Denice - 20. Age is close and date of entry according to census records is right. No other data other than coming to US. If you want me to send actual record from Ancestry, let me know. "E" -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Beware of trapping Portuguese names: useful tips
For those that don't know Portuguese first names, and particularly, XV-XIX centuries names, I think it's useful to select some curiosities: Ventura = can be a female name (= "venture, happiness, fortune") or a male (short for Boaventura, Saint Bonaventura, a canonized Franciscan friar) Gracia = can be a female name (= "grace", from Latin Gratia, and sometimes synonym of Engracia, from "in gratia"), but also a male name, an older variation of Garcia (originally a common Iberic first name, turned into a patronymic surname). The same phonetic variation is found in pairs Barcelos/Bracelos, Curvelo/Cruvelo/Curuvelo/Coruvelo/Corvelo, Carvalho/Cravalho, Cardoso/Cradoso. Other possible variants: Rosario/Rosairo, Beatriz/Brites/Breitiz/Breatiz, -is, Iria/Hiria/Eiria/Hyria, Gomes/Guomes, Gaspar/Guaspar, Gabriel/Graviel/Garaviel/Grabiel. There's a lot of written variations of all names, without etymological explanation. We can found Ascensao/Ascençao/Assensao, the correct being Ascensao (with tilde). We can foun "sinco" instead of "cinco"; "ceis" instead of "seis"; "sento" instead of "cento"; Roxa/Rocha, Machado/Maxado. Sometimes we can found the variaton in the same register. I prefer to standardized all these names when put them into my database, to prevent a crazy difficulty in research. For example, Felipe can be with F or Ph; e or i; L or LL; i or y; P or PP = 2 x 2x 2x2x2 = 32 variants! JS Lopes Rio, Brasil Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Registo Civil in Terceira
P.S. And if the $20 doesn't cover, they will let you know. And if it's a little over, they might send back stamps (that's what the archive in Ponta Delgada did years ago). -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Registo Civil in Terceira
Hi Joyce, I haven't sent for any in quite a while, but I think if you send $20 U.S. dollars it will cover the certificate, cost of conversion to euros, and postage. Maybe someone who has written them in the past year will answer with what it cost them. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Diniz family in Hayward, CA
Good idea, Eric. I will give that a try as soon as I recover from my eye surgery. Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com --- On Wed, 3/31/10, eric edgar wrote: From: eric edgar Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Diniz family in Hayward, CA To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 6:26 PM Celeste, I'll bet the marriage is recorded in the Alameda County records. The films are at the Recorders office at 12th and Madison. Eric On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:23 PM, celeste perry wrote: Thank you, again, Eric. This leads me to believe this couple married here and not in the Azores and gives me another idea to look for the marriage, in the churches in the Fremont area that existed before 1899. Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com --- On Wed, 3/31/10, eric edgar wrote: From: eric edgar Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Diniz family in Hayward, CA To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 10:56 AM Celeste, Here is the information from the 1900 census: Alameda County, Washington Township, Supervisors district 1, ED 401. Diniz, John M, Head, white, Male, born-June 1866, 33 years old, married for 3 years, born in Portugal, both parents also, immigrated to US in 1888, 12 years in the US, alien. farm laborer. Cannot read or write, can speak English. Owns his home, has a mortgage. Diniz, Maria, wife, white, female, Aug 1879, 20 years old, married 3 years, 1 child born , 1 child living born Portugal, both parents also, immigrated 1893, 7 years in the US, no occupation listed, can read, write and speak English. Diniz, Arthur, son, white , male, born Oct 1899, California Eric On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:20 PM, celeste perry wrote: Hi Eric, Is there any chance you could type out the information on the attachment you sent? I can't make it large enough to read. Thanks, again. Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com --- On Tue, 3/30/10, eric edgar wrote: From: eric edgar Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Diniz family in Hayward, CA To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 11:33 AM Celeste, The shiplist here of Jan 1908 shows brothers Jose and Jacinto Avila Areias traveling to Hayward California to join friend Joao M Diniz. They are from Villa Nova, Terceira. It's in the Concelho of Praia da Vitoria. Good chance that's where Joao is from. Eric Edgar On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:30 AM, celeste perry wrote: Hi Arthur, I live in Hayward, CA and have been trying to help a friend whose grandmother was named Mary Deniz. My friend's mother was known as Mamie Deniz and, as you probably know, many women were named Maria and used Mary, Mamie, and Mae as their first name here in the USA. Also, I have seen Diniz spelled, Deniz, Dinis, Denis and Dennis. In any case, the Mary Deniz that is my friend's grandmother was married to John (Joao) M. Deniz Machado. This Mary used the name Mary Machado Deniz. In 1914, in the Mt. St. Joseph Cemetery records, Mr. John M. Deniz Machado purchased 4 graves and in one of them he buried his 10 month old son, Alexander (Alex) Deniz Machado. In the same records, Mae (Mammie Dolores) Rose was buried in 1929. In 1934, Mary Machado Deniz (wife of John M. Deniz Machado) was buried. In 1941, Frank Lewis (Rebello) was buried. The funeral home from which he was buried lists his wife as Mamie Lewis and his parents as Francisco Lewis Rebello and Filomena Augusta Medeiros both from the Azores. In the 1920 census, Mary was listed as divorced and had a son, Arthur L. who was 20 years old; a son, John who was 18 years old and a daughter, Mamie M. who was 16 years old. The father of these children was listed as being born in the Azores. I am trying to find the birth place of John & Mary. I have Azores on the 1920 census; however, I need, at least the island to begin searching for their birth. Does any of this information match the Mary Diniz you visited in Hayward? Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE ME" as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: odd records
Cheri, I'm a native speaker, so I might help if I know which expression in Portuguese was used to mean "vulgar assault". The legal word for rape in Portuguese is "estupro", but "violação" is also used. As far as I know, 19th century portuguese priests would never inform the father's name of someone born out of religious marriage, even if the mother discloses who the father is. As for the penalties imposed on adulterous men, there was a sex scandal in Rio de Janeiro in 1808, when Brazil was part of the Portuguese Empire: a certain Antonio José Pimentel was caught having illicit sex with the wife of his partner - a rich man - and was sentenced to exile in Angola. He did not actually get exiled, for the husband in question died soon after, but the lady was indeed interned in a convent for a number of years. Marcos. On 31 mar, 15:56, nancy jean baptiste wrote: > Hi Cheri, > > Perhaps it's just this particular priest with the need to give full > informationI just saw another record which is similarfirst word > vulgar but I can't tell what the second word is.not assault like the > first oneperhaps you could look at it...Topo baptisms...1863.record # > 2I just find these odd because after reading several thousand records and > never seeing this now I've seen 3 odd ones by the same priest. > > Thanks for the insights, > > Nancy > > From: gfsche...@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:22:39 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Nancy, > > I would guess that "vulgar assault" would be a rape by today's standards. > They language was just different for it then. I'm sure a native speaker > could shed more light on that. I would guess that rapes or vulgar assaults > have been around since the beginning of time, but now it is more widely > reported and receives more press in the news. I would guess that back in the > 1800s (or earlier) it was considered something that the woman did to deserve > it. Very different perception then. > > I've seen a record on Sao Miguel where it says the baby was born to the man, > single, adulterer and to the woman, married to so-and-so. By today's > standards though, the woman was the adulterer, as she was the one who was > married. I guess that would make the man a "player?" Is that the current > lingo for men who mess around with married women? > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, > Achada > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > > _ > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your > inbox.http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTA... -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records
Even if a priest heard the act in confession, more then likely names would NOT be mentioned. You can confess the sin of infidelity without naming the person with whom you are sinning . Maria Original Message - From: marra...@cs.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 5:53:42 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] odd records In a message dated 3/31/2010 5:49:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: Thanks for shedding some light on that! I knew that many people in the village probably knew who the father was, but it never dawned on me that the priest heard it in confession. Thanks for sharing. Boy, if only they had not been bound by the seal of the confessional...so many genealogical dead ends would have been solved! Happy Easter! John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores . Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." Thanks for shedding some light on that! I knew that many people in the village probably knew who the father was, but it never dawned on me that the priest heard it in confession. Thanks for sharing. Boy, if only they had not been bound by the seal of the confessional...so many genealogical dead ends would have been solved! Happy Easter! John -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores . Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
