[AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba

[Besotes]

Love it!  At least he didn't spill his beer!  Yes, I'm seeing what your seeing. 
 I'm confused on one part though - here's part of a prior post on Jose (who's 
married to Ana below) baptism.  The items I've highlighted in red are confusing 
to me.  I know this is my GGGrandfather's baptism because I have a delayed 
Azores baptism (which I can't find at the moment) that speaks of his life 
threatening condition and why he was baptisted when he was.  Matilde and Joao 
are brother and sister of whom?  Is it also saying that the Jose born in 1825 
was deceased (basically deceased when his son was born)?  :)  Robin Borba 
Besotes
  Jose, son of Jose da Rocha de Borba and (his wife) Custodia Candida, from the 
Parish of Sao Bartolomeu dos Regatos of Ilha Terceira (Terceira Island), born 
in February 10, 1850, he was baptized at home because of life threatening, by 
me the Vicar bellow mentioned (or signed) on the 21st of the same month and 
year. He was brought to the Church where I applied all
  the rituals of the church and the saint oil (sacred oil) and witnessed Joao 
da Rocha de Borba, and his sister Matilde Candida, son and daughter of Jose da 
Rocha de Borba already deceased, all resident in this same Parish. I wrote and 
signed this record
  Vicar Joao Coelho da Mae de Deus
  - Original Message - 
  From: his...@aol.com 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: 2010-06-15 21:13
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Guidance - da Rocha de Borba abt. 1850's


  Hi Robin,
  Your son "ran with the Bulls" and my husband ran from the bulls.  He went to 
get a beer and on his way back to where we were standing , the bulls started 
coming down the street, He ran like heck, jumped the fence and never spilled a 
drop of his beer. Scared him though!

  I 'm glad you found the connection.  I have it this way, Tell me if you agree

  your Grandfather Lawrence Borba b. 19222
  your Ggrandfather Antonio da Rocha Borba married to Mary Matos of Sao Jorge 
island
  your GGb. 1850   Jose da Rocha da Borba married to Anna Furtado 
Jorge do Souto Salas, Faial
  your GGG b. 1825   Jose da Rocha da Borba married to Custodia Candida
  your   abt. 1788 Francisco da Rocha da Borba married to Ana Theodora 
m 1813
  your G  a. 1760  Jose da Rocha Borba married to Marianna Josefa 
(couldn't find the marriage)


   b. 1685  Joseph da Rocha Borba m.1716 (Agueda do Espirto Santo (2) Luzia 
Josefa m.1735
   b. a. 1650 Josepha da Rocha m. 1679 to Maria da Borba Vieira
   Bras Gil m. Catarina da Roch;

  Note: Joseph da Rocha Borba and Agueda do E.S. had only 2 children that I 
could find. Joseph b. July 1, 1722 and Marianna b. Jan 18, 1727. Agueda died in 
1730. Maybe this Joseph is one of the missing grandparent. I think there are 
two missing generations.


  Good luck
  Helen

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba

[nancy jean baptiste]

Robin,

 

In my opinion, Joao and Matilde, are brother and sister of the father (Jose)of 
the baby(Jose) and they (Jose, Joao and Matilde) are the children of the babies 
grandfather, Jose, who is dead at the time this baby is born.

 

Nancy
 


From: beso...@succeed.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 00:39:01 -0700




Love it!  At least he didn't spill his beer!  Yes, I'm seeing what your seeing. 
 I'm confused on one part though - here's part of a prior post on Jose (who's 
married to Ana below) baptism.  The items I've highlighted in red are confusing 
to me.  I know this is my GGGrandfather's baptism because I have a delayed 
Azores baptism (which I can't find at the moment) that speaks of his life 
threatening condition and why he was baptisted when he was.  Matilde and Joao 
are brother and sister of whom?  Is it also saying that the Jose born in 1825 
was deceased (basically deceased when his son was born)?  :)  Robin Borba 
Besotes 




Jose, son of Jose da Rocha de Borba and (his wife) Custodia Candida, from the 
Parish of Sao Bartolomeu dos Regatos of Ilha Terceira (Terceira Island), born 
in February 10, 1850, he was baptized at home because of life threatening, by 
me the Vicar bellow mentioned (or signed) on the 21st of the same month and 
year. He was brought to the Church where I applied all
the rituals of the church and the saint oil (sacred oil) and witnessed Joao da 
Rocha de Borba, and his sister Matilde Candida, son and daughter of Jose da 
Rocha de Borba already deceased, all resident in this same Parish. I wrote and 
signed this record
Vicar Joao Coelho da Mae de Deus

- Original Message - 
From: his...@aol.com 
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: 2010-06-15 21:13
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Guidance - da Rocha de Borba abt. 1850's


Hi Robin,
Your son "ran with the Bulls" and my husband ran from the bulls.  He went to 
get a beer and on his way back to where we were standing , the bulls started 
coming down the street, He ran like heck, jumped the fence and never spilled a 
drop of his beer. Scared him though!
 
I 'm glad you found the connection.  I have it this way, Tell me if you agree
 
your Grandfather Lawrence Borba b. 19222
your Ggrandfather Antonio da Rocha Borba married to Mary Matos of Sao Jorge 
island
your GGb. 1850   Jose da Rocha da Borba married to Anna Furtado 
Jorge do Souto Salas, Faial
your GGG b. 1825   Jose da Rocha da Borba married to Custodia Candida
your   abt. 1788 Francisco da Rocha da Borba married to Ana Theodora m 
1813
your G  a. 1760  Jose da Rocha Borba married to Marianna Josefa 
(couldn't find the marriage)
 

 b. 1685  Joseph da Rocha Borba m.1716 (Agueda do Espirto Santo (2) Luzia 
Josefa m.1735
 b. a. 1650 Josepha da Rocha m. 1679 to Maria da Borba Vieira
 Bras Gil m. Catarina da Roch;
 
Note: Joseph da Rocha Borba and Agueda do E.S. had only 2 children that I could 
find. Joseph b. July 1, 1722 and Marianna b. Jan 18, 1727. Agueda died in 1730. 
Maybe this Joseph is one of the missing grandparent. I think there are two 
missing generations.
 

Good luck
Helen



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins

[bmmarcelo]

I also have a ggrandfather who was a twin from Madalena, Pico and my 
gggrandfather from Norte Grande Sao Jorege also had a couple of set of twins in 
his family.  Twins have run in my family up to the present generation. 


Beverly 



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From: "Rosemarie Capodicci"  
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 11:32:15 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins 


Hi Rick, 

I have many twins in my families from Norte Grande, Sao Jorge. One of my 
grgrandpas is a twin and there are about 4 sets of twins in this line alone! 

Rosemarie 


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From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net 
To: Azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:33 AM 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins 




Hi All 



Just a general discussion but has any study been done on the frequency of twins 
in the Acores ? In my own lines in the past 50 years I can come up with three 
sets of twins. In my research in the parish of Santissimo Salvador (1836-1883) 
there seems to be a couple sets of twins born each year. I have not counted up 
the exact number but the frequency seems to be much greater than the general 
population. 



I remember seeing a program a few months ago about a village in Brazil where 
there seemed to be an unusually high number of twins. The conclusion of the 
program was that it was genetic. 



Rick 



Richard Francis Pimentel 

Epping , New Hampshire , USA 

Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores 



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins

[Cakemom102]

My Uncle who was from the Pico had twins, a boy and a girl and two of his  
daughters have twins.
 
 
In a message dated 6/16/2010 10:04:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
bmmarc...@comcast.net writes:

 
I also have a ggrandfather who was a twin from Madalena, Pico and my  
gggrandfather from Norte Grande Sao Jorege also had a couple of set of twins  
in 
his family.  Twins have run in my family up to the present  generation.
Beverly 
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From: "Rosemarie Capodicci"  
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday,  June 15, 2010 11:32:15 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re:  [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins

Hi Rick, 
 
I have many twins in my families from Norte  Grande, Sao Jorge. One of my 
grgrandpas is a twin and there are about 4 sets  of twins in this line alone! 
 
Rosemarie 

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To: _azo...@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:Azores@googlegroups.com)  
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:33  AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins



Hi  All 
Just  a general discussion but has any study been done on the frequency of 
twins  in the Acores? In my own lines in  the past 50 years I can come up 
with three sets of twins. In my research in  the parish of Santissimo Salvador 
(1836-1883) there seems to be a couple  sets of twins born each year. I 
have not counted up the exact number but the  frequency seems to be much 
greater than the general  population. 
I  remember seeing a program a few months ago about a village in  Brazil 
where there seemed  to be an unusually high number of twins. The conclusion of 
the program was  that it was genetic. 
Rick 
Richard Francis  Pimentel 
Epping,  New  Hampshire,  USA 
Researching Bretanha,  Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao  Miguel, Acores 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba

[Besotes]

Nancy,

One more thought - would you think Joao is a da Rocha de Borba?  What about 
Matilde?  Since she was Matilde Candida - would Candida be a middle name or 
last name?  If it's a last name then would she be the sister of Ana Candida 
(the babies mother).  Both still  being the Uncle and Aunt of different side of 
the family.  I'm just not sure where  to put these two in my records.  Thank 
you again, Robin Borba Besotes
  - Original Message - 
  From: nancy jean baptiste 
  To: azores group 
  Sent: 2010-06-16 09:46
  Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba


  Robin,
   
  In my opinion, Joao and Matilde, are brother and sister of the father 
(Jose)of the baby(Jose) and they (Jose, Joao and Matilde) are the children of 
the babies grandfather, Jose, who is dead at the time this baby is born.
   
  Nancy
   

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  From: beso...@succeed.net
  To: azores@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba
  Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 00:39:01 -0700


  Love it!  At least he didn't spill his beer!  Yes, I'm seeing what your 
seeing.  I'm confused on one part though - here's part of a prior post on Jose 
(who's married to Ana below) baptism.  The items I've highlighted in red are 
confusing to me.  I know this is my GGGrandfather's baptism because I have a 
delayed Azores baptism (which I can't find at the moment) that speaks of his 
life threatening condition and why he was baptisted when he was.  Matilde and 
Joao are brother and sister of whom?  Is it also saying that the Jose born in 
1825 was deceased (basically deceased when his son was born)?  :)  Robin Borba 
Besotes 
Jose, son of Jose da Rocha de Borba and (his wife) Custodia Candida, from 
the Parish of Sao Bartolomeu dos Regatos of Ilha Terceira (Terceira Island), 
born in February 10, 1850, he was baptized at home because of life threatening, 
by me the Vicar bellow mentioned (or signed) on the 21st of the same month and 
year. He was brought to the Church where I applied all
the rituals of the church and the saint oil (sacred oil) and witnessed Joao 
da Rocha de Borba, and his sister Matilde Candida, son and daughter of Jose da 
Rocha de Borba already deceased, all resident in this same Parish. I wrote and 
signed this record
Vicar Joao Coelho da Mae de Deus

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins

[CaraBela]

My gg grandfather, Thomaz  Jose da Silveira was a twin. He &  his brother, 
Domingo were  baptized in the  Calheta do Nesquim  parish on Pico, on 20 
July 1866. He had a grandson that fathered twins, a boy  & a girl, in 1938, in 
Washington, D.C.
Sherry
 
 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba

[Besotes]

Hi Nancy,

So you're thinking Jose the grandfather is deceased in the baptism?  
Grandfather of the baby that is.  So, it would make Joao and Matilde the Uncle 
and Aunt of the baby right?  :)  Thanks!!! Robin
  - Original Message - 
  From: nancy jean baptiste 
  To: azores group 
  Sent: 2010-06-16 09:46
  Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba


  Robin,
   
  In my opinion, Joao and Matilde, are brother and sister of the father 
(Jose)of the baby(Jose) and they (Jose, Joao and Matilde) are the children of 
the babies grandfather, Jose, who is dead at the time this baby is born.
   
  Nancy
   

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins

[Cheri Mello]

*A Google search on "frequency of twins" pulls up a lot of hits.  Here's an
excerpt from one.
*

*From MD Advice:*

*http://www.mdadvice.com/library/urpreg/wbw32.htm
*

*<>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins

[hisalv]

Rick
When I was researcing in Santa Maria, I found that their  was a lot of twins. 
My grandmother from Santa Maria  had twins.  I thought it was something in the 
water:)
Helen Salvador





-Original Message-
From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, Jun 15, 2010 5:33 am
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins



Hi All
 
Just a general discussion but has any study been done on the frequency of twins 
in the Acores? In my own lines in the past 50 years I can come up with three 
sets of twins. In my research in the parish of Santissimo Salvador (1836-1883) 
there seems to be a couple sets of twins born each year. I have not counted up 
the exact number but the frequency seems to be much greater than the general 
population.
 
I remember seeing a program a few months ago about a village in Brazil where 
there seemed to be an unusually high number of twins. The conclusion of the 
program was that it was genetic.
 
Rick
 
Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, New Hampshire, USA
Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba

[Karlushko]

Canndida is not a last name. She could carry a last name such de Jesus, or dos 
Santos, or da Conceicao.

Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - New York/USA
Pesquisando: 
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, 
Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, 
Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, 
Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, 
Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

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De: Besotes 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Quarta-feira, 16 de Junho de 2010, 12:54



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Nancy,
 
One more thought - would you think Joao is a da Rocha de Borba?  What about 
Matilde?  Since she was Matilde Candida - would Candida be a middle name or 
last name?  If it's a last name then would she be the sister of Ana Candida 
(the babies mother).  Both still  being the Uncle and Aunt of different side of 
the family.  I'm just not sure where to put these two in my records.  Thank you 
again, Robin Borba Besotes

- Original Message - 
From: nancy jean baptiste 
To: azores group 
Sent: 2010-06-16 09:46
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba

Robin,
 
In my opinion, Joao and Matilde, are brother and sister of the father (Jose)of 
the baby(Jose) and they (Jose, Joao and Matilde) are the children of the babies 
grandfather, Jose, who is dead at the time this baby is born.
 
Nancy
 


From: beso...@succeed.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 00:39:01 -0700





Love it!  At least he didn't spill his beer!  Yes, I'm seeing what your 
seeing.  I'm confused on one part though - here's part of a prior post on Jose 
(who's married to Ana below) baptism.  The items I've highlighted in red are 
confusing to me.  I know this is my GGGrandfather's baptism because I have a 
delayed Azores baptism (which I can't find at the moment) that speaks of his 
life threatening condition and why he was baptisted when he was.  Matilde and 
Joao are brother and sister of whom?  Is it also saying that the Jose born in 
1825 was deceased (basically deceased when his son was born)?  :)  Robin Borba 
Besotes 




Jose, son of Jose da Rocha de Borba and (his wife) Custodia Candida, from the 
Parish of Sao Bartolomeu dos Regatos of Ilha Terceira (Terceira Island), born 
in February 10, 1850, he was baptized at home because of life threatening, by 
me the Vicar bellow mentioned (or signed) on the 21st of the same month and 
year. He was brought to the Church where I applied all
the rituals of the church and the saint oil (sacred oil) and witnessed Joao da 
Rocha de Borba, and his sister Matilde Candida, son and daughter of Jose da 
Rocha de Borba already deceased, all resident in this same Parish. I wrote and 
signed this record
Vicar Joao Coelho da Mae de Deus
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba

[Karlushko]

Excuse me
I dont have the records I translated for you anymore, but if I am not wrong, 
the 
those two are brothers Matilde and Joao, and they are Jose´s (the grand father) 
children.

Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - New York/USA
Pesquisando: 
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, 
Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, 
Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, 
Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, 
Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

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Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Quarta-feira, 16 de Junho de 2010, 12:51



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Hi Nancy,
 
So you're thinking Jose the grandfather is deceased in the baptism?  
Grandfather of the baby that is.  So, it would make Joao and Matilde the Uncle 
and Aunt of the baby right?  :)  Thanks!!! Robin

- Original Message - 
From: nancy jean baptiste 
To: azores group 
Sent: 2010-06-16 09:46
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba

Robin,
 
In my opinion, Joao and Matilde, are brother and sister of the father (Jose)of 
the baby(Jose) and they (Jose, Joao and Matilde) are the children of the babies 
grandfather, Jose, who is dead at the time this baby is born.
 
Nancy
 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Carlos and Robin,

 

That's what I remember as well from the original record, those 2 were Jose the 
fathers siblings.

 

 Regarding the Candida name, I looked through the baptisms for your exposto 
"Gaspar"there are many, many women with the candida name.I think it's 
one of those names just used over and over, from generation to generation among 
daughters, cousins et. Similar to my line of ancestors on Pico that used 
"Felizarda de Castro" for many generationssometimes 4 sisters would have a 
first name followed by F de Ctwo other things that I noticed in those 
Teceira baptismal records that I searched for you( I looked from 1861 back 
to about 1845)there were so many female babies named "Gertrudes" during 
those years that it was weird! One page had 6 or so baptisms, all girls and all 
named Gertrudes.I wonder "who" inspired that name for so many years? The 
other strange thing was that in the Sao Jorge records the "exposto/a" baptisms 
are mixed in with the othersin the years that I looked for "Gaspar the 
exposto" in Terceira there were NO "exposto/a's"I find it hard to believe 
there weren't any...has anyone else noticed this in Teceira or know if they 
kept a "separate set of books" for those baptisms? I never saw one 
Gaspar.ligitimate or otherwise in those years.

 

Nancy Jean
 


Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:35:44 -0700
From: bremen...@yahoo.com.br
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba
To: azores@googlegroups.com






Excuse me
I dont have the records I translated for you anymore, but if I am not wrong, 
the 
those two are brothers Matilde and Joao, and they are Jose´s (the grand father) 
children.

Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - New York/USA
Pesquisando: 
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, 
Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, 
Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, 
Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, 
Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

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Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Quarta-feira, 16 de Junho de 2010, 12:51





Hi Nancy,
 
So you're thinking Jose the grandfather is deceased in the baptism?  
Grandfather of the baby that is.  So, it would make Joao and Matilde the Uncle 
and Aunt of the baby right?  :)  Thanks!!! Robin

- Original Message - 
From: nancy jean baptiste 
To: azores group 
Sent: 2010-06-16 09:46
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba

Robin,
 
In my opinion, Joao and Matilde, are brother and sister of the father (Jose)of 
the baby(Jose) and they (Jose, Joao and Matilde) are the children of the babies 
grandfather, Jose, who is dead at the time this baby is born.
 
Nancy
 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba

[hisalv]

I have researched almost every villiage in Terceira, I have seen a lot of 
expoto/a's including my grandfather. In the obits in Angra there are pages of 
them also mixed with other obits.
Helen






-Original Message-
From: nancy jean baptiste 
To: azores group 
Sent: Wed, Jun 16, 2010 12:07 pm
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba


Hi Carlos and Robin,
 
That's what I remember as well from the original record, those 2 were Jose the 
fathers siblings.
 
 Regarding the Candida name, I looked through the baptisms for your exposto 
"Gaspar"there are many, many women with the candida name.I think it's 
one of those names just used over and over, from generation to generation among 
daughters, cousins et. Similar to my line of ancestors on Pico that used 
"Felizarda de Castro" for many generationssometimes 4 sisters would have a 
first name followed by F de Ctwo other things that I noticed in those 
Teceira baptismal records that I searched for you( I looked from 1861 back 
to about 1845)there were so many female babies named "Gertrudes" during 
those years that it was weird! One page had 6 or so baptisms, all girls and all 
named Gertrudes.I wonder "who" inspired that name for so many years? The 
other strange thing was that in the Sao Jorge records the "exposto/a" baptisms 
are mixed in with the othersin the years that I looked for "Gaspar the 
exposto" in Terceira there were NO "exposto/a's"I find it hard to believe 
there weren't any...has anyone else noticed this in Teceira or know if they 
kept a "separate set of books" for those baptisms? I never saw one 
Gaspar.ligitimate or otherwise in those years.
 
Nancy Jean
 
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:35:44 -0700
From: bremen...@yahoo.com.br
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba
To: azores@googlegroups.com




Excuse me
I dont have the records I translated for you anymore, but if I am not wrong, 
the 
those two are brothers Matilde and Joao, and they are Jose´s (the grand father) 
children.

Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - New York/USA
Pesquisando: 
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, 
Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, 
Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, 
Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, 
Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

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Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Quarta-feira, 16 de Junho de 2010, 12:51


Hi Nancy,
 
So you're thinking Jose the grandfather is deceased in the baptism?  
Grandfather of the baby that is.  So, it would make Joao and Matilde the Uncle 
and Aunt of the baby right?  :)  Thanks!!! Robin

- Original Message - 
From: nancy jean baptiste 
To: azores group 
Sent: 2010-06-16 09:46
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba


Robin,
 
In my opinion, Joao and Matilde, are brother and sister of the father (Jose)of 
the baby(Jose) and they (Jose, Joao and Matilde) are the children of the babies 
grandfather, Jose, who is dead at the time this baby is born.
 
Nancy
 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba

[Karlushko]

Joao and Matilde are brothers and their father Jose was deceised upon the 
gandchild
baptism

Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - New York/USA
Pesquisando: 
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, 
Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, 
Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, 
Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, 
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Data: Quarta-feira, 16 de Junho de 2010, 3:39





Love it!  At least he didn't spill his beer!  Yes, I'm seeing what your 
seeing.  I'm confused on one part though - here's part of a prior post on Jose 
(who's married to Ana below) baptism.  The items I've highlighted in red are 
confusing to me.  I know this is my GGGrandfather's baptism because I have a 
delayed Azores baptism (which I can't find at the moment) that speaks of his 
life threatening condition and why he was baptisted when he was.  Matilde and 
Joao are brother and sister of whom?  Is it also saying that the Jose born in 
1825 was deceased (basically deceased when his son was born)?  :)  Robin Borba 
Besotes 




Jose, son of Jose da Rocha de Borba and (his wife) Custodia Candida, from the 
Parish of Sao Bartolomeu dos Regatos of Ilha Terceira (Terceira Island), born 
in February 10, 1850, he was baptized at home because of life threatening, by 
me the Vicar bellow mentioned (or signed) on the 21st of the same month and 
year. He was brought to the Church where I applied all
the rituals of the church and the saint oil (sacred oil) and witnessed Joao da 
Rocha de Borba, and his sister Matilde Candida, son and daughter of Jose da 
Rocha de Borba already deceased, all resident in this same Parish. I wrote and 
signed this record
Vicar Joao Coelho da Mae de Deus

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Sent: 2010-06-15 21:13
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Guidance - da Rocha de Borba abt. 1850's


Hi Robin,
Your son "ran with the Bulls" and my husband ran from the bulls.  He went to 
get a beer and on his way back to where we were standing , the bulls started 
coming down the street, He ran like heck, jumped the fence and never spilled a 
drop of his beer. Scared him though!
 
I 'm glad you found the connection.  I have it this way, Tell me if you agree
 
your Grandfather Lawrence Borba b. 19222
your Ggrandfather Antonio da Rocha Borba married to Mary Matos of Sao Jorge 
island
your GGb. 1850   Jose da Rocha da Borba married to Anna Furtado 
Jorge do Souto Salas, Faial
your GGG b. 1825   Jose da Rocha da Borba married to Custodia Candida
your   abt. 1788 Francisco da Rocha da Borba married to Ana Theodora m 
1813
your G  a. 1760  Jose da Rocha Borba married to Marianna Josefa 
(couldn't find the marriage)
 

 b. 1685  Joseph da Rocha Borba m.1716 (Agueda do Espirto Santo (2) Luzia 
Josefa m.1735
 b. a. 1650 Josepha da Rocha m. 1679 to Maria da Borba Vieira
 Bras Gil m. Catarina da Roch;
 
Note: Joseph da Rocha Borba and Agueda do E.S. had only 2 children that I could 
find. Joseph b. July 1, 1722 and Marianna b. Jan 18, 1727. Agueda died in 1730. 
Maybe this Joseph is one of the missing grandparent. I think there are two 
missing generations.
 

Good luck
Helen


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Rocha de Borba - PORTUGUESE "Middle Names"

[Joao S. Lopes]

In Portuguese there's not a true "Middle name", just composite "first names", 
and just since XVIII century.

Joao S. Lopes





De: nancy jean baptiste 
Para: azores group 
Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 16 de Junho de 2010 16:07:11
Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba

 Hi Carlos and Robin,
 
That's what I remember as well from the original record, those 2 were Jose the 
fathers siblings.
 
 Regarding the Candida name, I looked through the baptisms for your exposto 
"Gaspar"there are many, many women with the candida name.I think it's 
one of those names just used over and over, from generation to generation among 
daughters, cousins et. Similar to my line of ancestors on Pico that used 
"Felizarda de Castro" for many generationssometimes 4 sisters would have a 
first name followed by F de Ctwo other things that I noticed in those 
Teceira baptismal records that I searched for you( I looked from 1861 back 
to about 1845)there were so many female babies named "Gertrudes" during 
those years that it was weird! One page had 6 or so baptisms, all girls and all 
named Gertrudes.I wonder "who" inspired that name for so many years? The 
other strange thing was that in the Sao Jorge records the "exposto/a" baptisms 
are mixed in with the othersin the years that I looked for "Gaspar the 
exposto" in Terceira there were NO
 "exposto/a's"I find it hard to believe there weren't any...has anyone else 
noticed this in Teceira or know if they kept a "separate set of books" for 
those baptisms? I never saw one Gaspar.ligitimate or otherwise in those 
years.
 
Nancy Jean
 

 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:35:44 -0700
From: bremen...@yahoo.com.br
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba
To: azores@googlegroups.com


Excuse me
I dont have the records I translated for you anymore, but if I am not wrong, 
the 
those two are brothers Matilde and Joao, and they are Jose´s (the grand father) 
children.

Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - New York/USA
Pesquisando: 
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, 
Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, 
Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, 
Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, 
Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

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>De: Besotes 
>Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba
>Para: azores@googlegroups.com
>Data: Quarta-feira, 16 de Junho de 2010, 12:51
>
>
> >
>Hi Nancy,
> 
>So you're thinking Jose the grandfather is deceased in the baptism?  
>Grandfather of the baby that is.  So, it would make Joao and Matilde the Uncle 
>and Aunt of the baby right?  :)  Thanks!!! Robin
>- Original Message - 
>>From: nancy jean baptiste 
>>To: azores group 
>>Sent: 2010-06-16 09:46
>>Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba
>>
>>Robin,
>> 
>>In my opinion, Joao and Matilde, are brother and sister of the father 
>>(Jose)of the baby(Jose) and they (Jose, Joao and Matilde) are the children of 
>>the babies grandfather, Jose, who is dead at the time this baby is born.
>> 
>>Nancy
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Emailing: Andre Furtado

[celeste perry]

Hi Shirley,
   Here is what I have for Andre Costa Furtado and his 2 wives.  I think I have 
the first wife, Catharina de Mattos' children correct.  At least I have 10 
listed.
   For the second wife, Catharina de Oliviera, you wrote they had 11 children, 
I have 12??? Which child is incorrect? 
Descendants of ANDRE COSTA FURTADO
1 ANDRE COSTA FURTADO b: Sep 10, 1701 in Agua da Alto, Sao Pedro, Sao Miguel, 
Azores/Richard Matera 2010 
 +Catharina de Matos b: May 20, 1704 in Agua do Pau, Sao Pedro, VFDC, Sao 
Miguel, Azores/Shirley m: Dec 14, 1725 in VFDC, Sao Miguel, 
Azores/Shirley/Richard Matera 2010
. 2 Barbara Furtado b: Sep 09, 1728 in Agua de Alto, Sao Miguel, Azores/Shirley 
. 2 Prysca Furtado b: Jan 14, 1730 in Agua de Alto, Sao Miguel, Azores/Shirley 
. 2 Manuel Furtado b: Mar 21, 1732 in Agua de Alto, Sao Miguel, Azores/Shirley 
... +Francisca Furtado b: Oct 07, 1734 in Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel/Shirley 
m: Feb 11, 1757 in Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel/Shirley
. 3 Maria de Jesus Furtado b: Mar 06, 1770 in Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, 
Azores/Shirley 
... +Francisco de Pimentel b: Abt. 1770 in Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, 
Azores m: Unknown
. 2 Joseph Furtado b: Apr 17, 1734 in VFDC, Sao Miguel, Azores/Shirley 
. 2 Sebastiana Furtado b: Jan 13, 1736 in VFDC, Sao Miguel, Azores/Shirley 
. 2 Antonio Furtado b: Jan 30, 1737 in VFDC, Sao Miguel, Azores/Shirley 
. 2 Joseph Furtado b: Jan 02, 1739 in VFDC, Sao Miguel, Azores/Shirley 
. 2 Miguel Furtado b: Sep 22, 1740 in VFDC, Sao Miguel, Azores/Shirley 
. 2 Isabel Furtado b: Mar 02, 1744 in VFDC, Sao Miguel, Azores/Shirley 
. 2 Maria de Mattos b: Unknown in Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores/Shirley 
... +Jose da Ponte b: Unknown in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel, Azores/Shirley m: 
May 02, 1745 in Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores/Shirley/Eleiu
*2nd Wife of ANDRE COSTA FURTADO: 
 +CATARINA de OLIVEIRA b: Apr 02, 1723 in Sao Pedro, VFDC, Sao Miguel, 
Azores/John Rois&Shirley m: Sep 21, 1744 in Sao Pedro, VFDC, Sao Miguel, 
Azores**
. 2 JOSE FURTADO de MATOS b: Jan 03, 1746 in Sao Pedro, VFDC, Sao Miguel, 
Azores** 
... +ANTONIA do SACRAMENTO de SOUSA b: Aug 27, 1742 in Ponta Garca, Sao 
Miguel, Azores/Shirley m: May 18, 1775 in NS da Piedade, Ponta Garca, Sao 
Miguel, Azores**
. 3 BERNARDA da JESUS b: Feb 16, 1777 in NS do Piedade, Ponta Garca, Sao 
Miguel, Azores**/Shirley 
...+JOSE MARTINS b: Feb 27, 1764 in NS da Piedade, Ponta Garca, Sao 
Miguel, Azores**m: Jan 22, 1804 in NS do Piedade, Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, 
Azores**
 4 MARIA de JESUS JACINTHA DE GOMES b: Jun 04, 1803 in NS da Piedade, 
Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores/Shirley 
.. +MANUEL de LUZ-SOUSA b: Dec 31, 1803 in NS da Piedade, Ponta 
Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores** m: Apr 24, 1825 in NS da Piedade, Sao Paulo da 
Ribeira Quente, Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores**
 5 JACINTA FILOMENA de JESUS GOMES b: Oct 25, 1831 in NS da 
Piedade, Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores** 
..+MANUEL do CANTO b: Sep 06, 1831 in NS da Piedade, Ponta 
Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores/Shirley m: Jul 02, 1855 in Our Lady of Mercy, Ponta 
Garca, as the Apostle Sao Paulo, Ribeira Quente, Sao Miguel, Azores**
... 6 JACINTHO do CANTO SILVA b: Jun 18, 1869 in NS do Piedade, 
Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores** 
.+MARIA PAIXAO da COSTA b: Mar 27, 1888 in Rosario, Lagoa, 
Sao Miguel, Azores**m: Oct 02, 1907 in Church of Our Lady of the Rosary, 
Providence, RI, USA**
...7 ADELINE (LENA) CANTO SILVA b: May 03, 1912 in East 
Providence, RI, USA** 
.+ SERAPHINE EDWARD PERRY b: Aug 23, 1912 in East 
Providence, RI, USA** m: Nov 15, 1933 in East Providence, RI, USA
..8 ROBERT EDWARD PERRY b: Oct 23, 1935 in Providence, RI, 
USA** 
+CELESTE NORINE LEWIS b: Jan 14, 1938 in Hayward, 
CA, USA** m: Jul 08, 1956 in All Saints, Hayward, CA, USA**
. 3 JOSE FURTADO de MATOS b: Feb 16, 1789 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel, 
Azores** 
... +MARIA de JESUS b: Jun 16, 1794 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel, 
Azores** m: Jun 05, 1815 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel, Azores**
 4 ANA MARIA do CORACAO da JESUS b: Abt. 1815 in Agua de Pau, Sao 
Miguel, Azores 
.. +FRANCISCO MORAIS da COSTA SAFONA b: Sep 29, 1812 in Agua de 
Pau, Sao Miguel, Azores/Joao Ventura m: Jan 31, 1835 in Agua de Pau, Sao 
Miguel, Azores**
5 JOAO MORAIS da COSTA b: Oct 08, 1849 in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguel, 
Azores** 
...+JACINTHA LIBANIA b: Jul 22, 1843 in Lomba de Santa Barbara, Sao 
Miguel, Azores**m: Nov 10, 1867 in Lomba de Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores**
... 6 MARIA CRISTO MORAIS b: May 22, 1885 in Lomba da Santa 
Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores/daughter, Mary Cruz 
.+FELIPE PEREIRA da SILVA b: Feb 05, 1887 in Soldao, Lajes, 
Pico, Azores** m: Nov 24, 1907 in Bristol, RI/daughter, Mary Cruz
...7 SERAPHINE EDWARD PERRY

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba

[nancy jean baptiste]

Robin,

 

In my opinion, Joao is a son of Jose da Rocha de Borba and since his brother, 
Jose uses that name he probably did toobut one of my grandfather's from Sao 
jorge used a different last name than his brother...but it's probable that he 
used the same name..Candida is probably, from what I saw in the records, 
just a second "first" name as Joao said...like Maria de Jesus or Ana Joquina. 
Candida was popular. 

 

Nancy 
 


From: beso...@succeed.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:54:25 -0700




Nancy,
 
One more thought - would you think Joao is a da Rocha de Borba?  What about 
Matilde?  Since she was Matilde Candida - would Candida be a middle name or 
last name?  If it's a last name then would she be the sister of Ana Candida 
(the babies mother).  Both still  being the Uncle and Aunt of different side of 
the family.  I'm just not sure where to put these two in my records.  Thank you 
again, Robin Borba Besotes

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From: nancy jean baptiste 
To: azores group 
Sent: 2010-06-16 09:46
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba

Robin,
 
In my opinion, Joao and Matilde, are brother and sister of the father (Jose)of 
the baby(Jose) and they (Jose, Joao and Matilde) are the children of the babies 
grandfather, Jose, who is dead at the time this baby is born.
 
Nancy
 


From: beso...@succeed.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 00:39:01 -0700




Love it!  At least he didn't spill his beer!  Yes, I'm seeing what your seeing. 
 I'm confused on one part though - here's part of a prior post on Jose (who's 
married to Ana below) baptism.  The items I've highlighted in red are confusing 
to me.  I know this is my GGGrandfather's baptism because I have a delayed 
Azores baptism (which I can't find at the moment) that speaks of his life 
threatening condition and why he was baptisted when he was.  Matilde and Joao 
are brother and sister of whom?  Is it also saying that the Jose born in 1825 
was deceased (basically deceased when his son was born)?  :)  Robin Borba 
Besotes 




Jose, son of Jose da Rocha de Borba and (his wife) Custodia Candida, from the 
Parish of Sao Bartolomeu dos Regatos of Ilha Terceira (Terceira Island), born 
in February 10, 1850, he was baptized at home because of life threatening, by 
me the Vicar bellow mentioned (or signed) on the 21st of the same month and 
year. He was brought to the Church where I applied all
the rituals of the church and the saint oil (sacred oil) and witnessed Joao da 
Rocha de Borba, and his sister Matilde Candida, son and daughter of Jose da 
Rocha de Borba already deceased, all resident in this same Parish. I wrote and 
signed this record
Vicar Joao Coelho da Mae de Deus

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] My DAD Clarence Valine

[Jacklyn Decker]

Very sorry for your loss Sandra.
Jacklyn

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:53 PM, San Dauer  wrote:

>  My Dad Clarence Vieira Valine died peacefully on May 31, 2010.
> Below OBIT from Porterville Recorder   Sandra Valine Dauer
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Ferreira Belo and Piques from Ribeira Grande

[Eliseu Manuel Pacheco da Silva]

Hi Group,

 

Does anyone has any information on João Ferreira Belo married to Maria
Manoel around 1600’s at Ribeira Grande? They had Maria Ferreira or Maria de
Sousa married to Manoel Rodrigues Piques in Matriz de Nossa Senhora da
Estrella, Ribeira Grande, 11 Oct 1681.

 

Thank you in advance,

 

eliseu

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins

[Nancy Couto]

I could be wrong, but I think that the genetic factor is applicable only to the 
mother of fraternal twins.  That is, the mother has to release two eggs at 
approximately the same time.  No matter how high the father's sperm count is, 
there have to be two eggs.

For identical twins, of course, there is a single egg that divides.

I don't know anything about medicine, but when I was in high school (many, many 
years ago) I wrote a term paper on multiple births for my biology class.  I had 
twin cousins, and I was fascinated with the subject.

If anyone in the group has a medical background, please feel free to confirm or 
correct.

Nancy


From: carab...@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:48:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins
To: azores@googlegroups.com








My gg grandfather, Thomaz  Jose da Silveira was a twin. He & 
his brother, Domingo were  baptized in the  Calheta do Nesquim 
parish on Pico, on 20 July 1866. He had a grandson that fathered twins, a boy 
& a girl, in 1938, in Washington, D.C.
Sherry
 

 




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ferreira Belo and Piques from Ribeira Grande

[Linda Norton]

My mother and father would go visit a dear friend, Manuel Piques from
Cambridge, MA when I was young. I would play with their youngest daughter
until we moved away and him and his wife passed on. The five children moved
to different areas, but I would bump into his granddaughter once in a while
and that's been maybe fifteen years ago. I remember Louis, Gabriella,
Albertina, Laura and Eva. I know Louis was married with children when I was
eleven. He's probably around 73 years old. So Manuel would have been born
around 1910?
 
I remember asking my dad if they were related and he said my mother's father
(my grandfather) Manuel Borges Giesta who was a furniture maker back in
Ribeira Grande was his mentor before he came to this country. There might
have been some connection from one side to the other, but my mom never said
anything about that.
 
My Aunt Natalie Pacheco Furtado's father Manuel Pacheco being a carpenter
from Cambridge knew of him so I will ask her if she remembers anything.
There is Rodrigues on both sides of my family.
 
Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton
 
 
 

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Eliseu Manuel Pacheco da Silva
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:09 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ferreira Belo and Piques from Ribeira Grande



Hi Group,

 

Does anyone has any information on João Ferreira Belo married to Maria
Manoel around 1600’s at Ribeira Grande? They had Maria Ferreira or Maria de
Sousa married to Manoel Rodrigues Piques in Matriz de Nossa Senhora da
Estrella, Ribeira Grande, 11 Oct 1681.

 

Thank you in advance,

 

eliseu

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ferreira Belo and Piques from Ribeira Grande

[Marralha]

In a message dated 6/16/2010 5:45:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
eliseuman...@sapo.pt writes: 
> Hi Group,
> 
>   
> 
>  Does anyone has any information on João Ferreira Belo married to Maria 
> Manoel around 1600’s at Ribeira Grande? They had Maria Ferreira or Maria de 
> Sousa married to Manoel Rodrigues Piques in Matriz de Nossa Senhora da 
> Estrella, Ribeira Grande, 11 Oct 1681.
> 
>   
> 
>  Thank you in advance,
> 
>   
> 
>  eliseu
> 
>  Here is what I have for what it is worth:

Ahnentafel Chart for Maria Ferreira


First Generation

1.  Maria Ferreira .

Maria married Manuel Rodrigues Piques  on 11 Oct 1681 in Matriz-Ribeira 
Grande. Manuel was born in Ribeira Crande. 


Second Generation

2.  João Ferreira Botelho .João married Maria Manuel on 20 Jun 1666 in 
Matriz-Ribeira Grande. 

3.  Maria Manuel .

P. 278 CM: center



Third Generation

4.  Domingos Fernandes .Domingos married Bárbara Ferreira. 

5.  Bárbara Ferreira .

6.  Miguel Dias .Miguel married Maria Manuel on 23 Jan 1642 in 
Matriz-Ribeira Grande. 

7.  Maria Manuel .


Fourth Generation

12. Manuel Dias .Manuel married Catarina Jorge on 23 Jan 1600 in 
Matriz-Ribeira Grande. 

13. Catarina Jorge .

14. Gaspar Rebelo .Gaspar married Maria Manuel. 

15. Maria Manuel .


Fifth Generation

24. João Dias .João married Maria Francisca on 29 Sep 1577 in 
Matriz-Ribeira Grande. 

25. Maria Francisca .
26. Jorge Fernandes .Jorge married Beatriz Afonso. 

27. Beatriz Afonso .


Sixth Generation

48. João Gonsalves .João married Maria Afonso. 

49. Maria Afonso .

50. Baltazar Gonsalves .Baltazar married Andreza Francisca. 

51. Andreza Francisca .

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins

[rfrancispimentel]

Hi Nancy

 

That is the way I understand it also.

 


Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, New Hampshire, USA

Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and
Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Nancy Couto
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:05 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins

 

I could be wrong, but I think that the genetic factor is applicable only
to the mother of fraternal twins.  That is, the mother has to release
two eggs at approximately the same time.  No matter how high the
father's sperm count is, there have to be two eggs.

For identical twins, of course, there is a single egg that divides.

I don't know anything about medicine, but when I was in high school
(many, many years ago) I wrote a term paper on multiple births for my
biology class.  I had twin cousins, and I was fascinated with the
subject.

If anyone in the group has a medical background, please feel free to
confirm or correct.

Nancy



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From: carab...@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:48:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins
To: azores@googlegroups.com




My gg grandfather, Thomaz  Jose da Silveira was a twin. He & his
brother, Domingo were  baptized in the  Calheta do Nesquim parish on
Pico, on 20 July 1866. He had a grandson that fathered twins, a boy & a
girl, in 1938, in Washington, D.C.

Sherry

 

 


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Lionel Holmes Please foward this e-mail to your son Doug Holmes

[George Pacheco]

Hi Doug

My cousin Grace Falcone is trying to get hold of you this is her
e-mail  gracefalc...@aol.com, she has e-mailed a few times and hasn't
got a Reply from you.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins

[Shirley Sereque]

Hi!
   The father is "responsible" for identical twins but of course the 
mother is the one who pops out two eggs at about the same time to have 
fraternal twins.

- Shirl -

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins

[Mary Bordi]

On Jun 15, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci wrote:


Hi Rick,

I have many twins in my families from Norte Grande, Sao Jorge. One  
of my grgrandpas is a twin and there are about 4 sets of twins in  
this line alone!


Rosemarie



My research in Norte Grande shows the same! In fact, I may have  
commented on it here a few years ago.


Mary Bordi

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins

[eric edgar]

Nancy,

I'm a father of fraternal twins and have opportunity to discuss this with
doctors and geneticists. Here is how I understand it.

Identical twins are purely random.

Fraternal twins, the result of more than one egg, can seem to have a higher
incidence in some families, but other  factors effecting this have more
influence than geographic

origin. The incidence of twining is higher for women between 30 and 40 years
of age, of greater than average height and weight, and have had multiple
pregnancies. If you have a

 population where women tend to have many children and later in life, there
will be more twins.

Men have nothing to do with this . It is not a trait passed from fathers to
daughters. Women set the target, men just hit it.

There is a study that suggests that the of West Africa population especially
the Yoruba  has a higher rate of twins.

Eric Edgar

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Nancy Couto  wrote:

> I could be wrong, but I think that the genetic factor is applicable only to
> the mother of fraternal twins.  That is, the mother has to release two eggs
> at approximately the same time.  No matter how high the father's sperm count
> is, there have to be two eggs.
>
> For identical twins, of course, there is a single egg that divides.
>
> I don't know anything about medicine, but when I was in high school (many,
> many years ago) I wrote a term paper on multiple births for my biology
> class.  I had twin cousins, and I was fascinated with the subject.
>
> If anyone in the group has a medical background, please feel free to
> confirm or correct.
>
> Nancy
>
>
> --
> From: carab...@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:48:58 -0400
>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Twins
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
>
> My gg grandfather, Thomaz  Jose da Silveira was a twin. He & his brother,
> Domingo were  baptized in the  Calheta do Nesquim parish on Pico, on 20 July
> 1866. He had a grandson that fathered twins, a boy & a girl, in 1938, in
> Washington, D.C.
> Sherry
>
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