RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Donna,

A collector of records in Portugal gave me a list of all the recordings made
by Uncle Manny. Of the 100+ recordings made he has or has located 75. His
goal is to digitize the recordings and release a CD of them. He is involved
with a recording company there.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 


-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Donna Moody
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 6:58 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

So Rick, do you have the link to RCA Victor?  If not I can send you what I
have--again, sent to me by that ole Diane--some of his recordings.

Donna

Quoting Richard  Francis Pimentel :

> Hi Joanne,
>
> Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are 
> from Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If 
> your mother remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family.
> The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great 
> uncle Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a number 
> of records from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his records I 
> have some but am always looking for more they are all in Portuguese on the
old 78 rpm format.
> They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia.
>
> I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to 
> Attleboro.
>
>
> Richard Francis Pimentel
> Spring, TX
> Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Joanne Mercier
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.
>
> Rick,
> I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent.  She 
> remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street 
> and she thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it was 
> before I showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria 
> possibly being in that family - she still lives in Fall River and is 
> about my Mom's age (89) and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster 
> Street.  Is any of this familiar to you?  Let me know.
>
> Joanne
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Donna,

Linda and I are convinced we have a common ancestor that in being our great
grandfather Frank Pimentel's brother Marianno Furtado. We have not found the
smoking gun document but the indication is there. The only Marianno born in
the time frame of his age is Frank Pimentel's brother Marianno. In some
records Frank Pimentel's name is given as Francisco Pimentel Furtado. So it
is conceivable that Marianno just dropped the Pimentel name.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 



-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Donna Moody
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 10:27 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

Hi Linda,

I've read Rick's response to this. It does get confusing. My grandparents
are Mary Constance (Pimentel) and John George Carvalho.  
They had an arranged marriage. My Dad, John was their 2nd oldest child, born
in 1915. So Rick's grandmother and my grandfather are siblings, and his
grandfather and my grandmother are siblings. So it looks like we three are
very related, although I would guess you are more our generation, yes?

Donna (Carvalho) Moody

Quoting Linda Norton :

> Am I wrong Rick in saying that Mary Pimentel (your grandmother) m. 
> John Carvalho? If so, which would mean their children, Carvalho's are 
> my cousins as well being that they are Pimentel (Furtado's)?
>
> Linda Borges Furtado Norton
>
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Francis Pimentel
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 7:33 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.
>
> Hi Joanne,
>
> Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are 
> from Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If 
> your mother remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family.
> The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great 
> uncle Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a number 
> of records from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his records I 
> have some but am always looking for more they are all in Portuguese on the
old 78 rpm format.
> They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia.
>
> I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to 
> Attleboro.
>
>
> Richard Francis Pimentel
> Spring, TX
> Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Joanne Mercier
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.
>
> Rick,
> I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent.  She 
> remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street 
> and she thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it was 
> before I showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria 
> possibly being in that family - she still lives in Fall River and is 
> about my Mom's age (89) and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster 
> Street.  Is any of this familiar to you?  Let me know.
>
> Joanne
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

[Linda Norton]

Yes. I've been trying to get a record on my ggrandfather, Marianno Furtado
who supposedly is brother to Francisco Pimentel, Rick's ggrandfather. They
were siblings as your ggrandparents were siblings on the Carvalho side.

Rick and I have been on the group for years and I kept seeing his
information about his family from Ribeira Grande and I knew we were
connected somehow from his ggrandmother Maria Furtado. What we learned just
last year that my ggrandfather never carried the Pimentel name down, but
Rick found out on records that his grandfather came over with the Furtado
name on the ship manifest and that they had the same parents. Also Francisco
had a brother named Marianno which just made sense. Our grandparents were
first cousins generating from the female side.

Yes, we would be cousins since Maria Pimentel was Maria Furtado Teixeira
Pimentel and Manuel Furtado Teixeira Pimentel. Our ggrandparents were
siblings. Maria and Manuel were first cousins to my grandfather Antonio
Furtado.

It's amazing how many of us are probably related, but with family members
not carrying names down or changing names makes it much more difficult it is
to try to find relatives.

I'm trying to get my aunt and uncle, Marianno Furtado to find his
grandfather's information. I thought my dad had it, but I couldn't find it
when he passed away. My father never ever mentioned Pimentel so I was
shocked when I was finding this out. My father said his grandfather died
when he was young and didn't really remember him so that's probably one of
the reasons besides them never discussing past families.

Do you have any information on Mary Constance Pimentel?

I just met another cousin on line on my father's maternal side, Mike A. He
just recently joined the group. I've met four other cousins directly on line
as well. Isn't it incredible!

So, for now, I'm going to say you are possibly my fifth directly on line
besides all the other siblings.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton





-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Donna Moody
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 11:27 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

Hi Linda,

I've read Rick's response to this. It does get confusing. My grandparents
are Mary Constance (Pimentel) and John George Carvalho.  
They had an arranged marriage. My Dad, John was their 2nd oldest child, born
in 1915. So Rick's grandmother and my grandfather are siblings, and his
grandfather and my grandmother are siblings. So it looks like we three are
very related, although I would guess you are more our generation, yes?

Donna (Carvalho) Moody

Quoting Linda Norton :

> Am I wrong Rick in saying that Mary Pimentel (your grandmother) m. 
> John Carvalho? If so, which would mean their children, Carvalho's are 
> my cousins as well being that they are Pimentel (Furtado's)?
>
> Linda Borges Furtado Norton
>
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Francis Pimentel
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 7:33 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.
>
> Hi Joanne,
>
> Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are 
> from Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If 
> your mother remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family.
> The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great 
> uncle Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a number 
> of records from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his records I 
> have some but am always looking for more they are all in Portuguese on the
old 78 rpm format.
> They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia.
>
> I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to 
> Attleboro.
>
>
> Richard Francis Pimentel
> Spring, TX
> Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Joanne Mercier
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.
>
> Rick,
> I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent.  She 
> remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street 
> and she thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it was 
> before I showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria 
> possibly being in that family - she still lives in Fall River and is 
> about my Mom's age (89) and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster 
> Street.  Is any of this familiar to you?  Let me know.
>
> Joanne
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7 Family Tree Maker Question

[Eric Gomes]

Hi Elaine,

Since you are running Professional... what you will need to do is download
the emulator from the Windows site.  Here is the webpage that you need to go
to... http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx You will
need to know whether it is a 32-bit or 64-bit system.  If I ventured to
guess, it is probably a 64-bit system.  In order to get this information,
left-click on the Start button (Circle with the Windows Logo in it) in the
lower left corner of your screen... then right-click on the word "computer"
that is on the right side of the panel that pops up... a window will open up
that says "View basic computer information"... about mid-page it says
"System Type" and it will tell you whether it is 32-bit or 64-bit.  It is
very important that you know this information because the software will not
run if you mismatch it... follow the rest of the prompts through the
download etc... unfortunately, this is where I must admit, I have no other
knowledge of this process, I am still only running windows home premium and
don't have the option to run the emulator.  So I must say good luck... I
will still say though, if you have any questions, feel free to send them my
way and if I can answer them I will...

Eric

p.s. Sorry Cheri, I know this is completely off topic for the board.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:30 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> My son bought this computer for himself a couple of months ago and is
> now buying the new ipad and he knows I have been wanting and needing a
> smaller computer so he gave it to me.  He is a software engineer in
> management and I am sure this computer has all the bells and whistles
> possible.  You have to know my son...only buys the best.  He told me
> it is a the Professional model.  This computer has more memory, etc.
> than my older, larger laptop which is getting TOO heavy for me to
> carry along anymore.
>
> I do not want to change from FTM because I like it and as I said
> before, I do not like change and learning new thingsgoing to the
> latest edition of FTM will be a big deal for me.  But he bypassed the
> "you have to update" message so I will not be bothered by this and I
> am seriously considering updating to FTM 11 or whatever the newest
> version is today.  You know tomorrow it will be obsolete!!  You are
> dealing with a 74 year old woman here ..need I say more.  But
> then, I am the most computer "literate" of all my sisters.I am
> also the youngest.
>
> I'm going to call Ancestry and talk to them about all of this.  They
> are pretty nice people, especially since I have been a member since
> its inception.
>
> Getting too old, too soon.
> "E"
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7 Family Tree Maker Question

[Eric Gomes]

I missed a step... it is in caps below...

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Eric Gomes wrote:

> Hi Elaine,
>
> Since you are running Professional... what you will need to do is download
> the emulator from the Windows site.  Here is the webpage that you need to go
> to... http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx You will
> need to know whether it is a 32-bit or 64-bit system.  If I ventured to
> guess, it is probably a 64-bit system.  In order to get this information,
> left-click on the Start button (Circle with the Windows Logo in it) in the
> lower left corner of your screen... then right-click on the word "computer"
> that is on the right side of the panel that pops up... A LIST WILL POP UP
> WITH SEVERAL OPTIONS IN IT... RIGHT-CLICK ON THE WORD "PROPERTIES" AT THE
> BOTTOM OF THE LIST...  a window will open up that says "View basic
> computer information"... about mid-page it says "System Type" and it will
> tell you whether it is 32-bit or 64-bit.  It is very important that you know
> this information because the software will not run if you mismatch it...
> follow the rest of the prompts through the download etc... unfortunately,
> this is where I must admit, I have no other knowledge of this process, I am
> still only running windows home premium and don't have the option to run the
> emulator.  So I must say good luck... I will still say though, if you have
> any questions, feel free to send them my way and if I can answer them I
> will...
>
> Eric
>
> p.s. Sorry Cheri, I know this is completely off topic for the board.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:30 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> My son bought this computer for himself a couple of months ago and is
>> now buying the new ipad and he knows I have been wanting and needing a
>> smaller computer so he gave it to me.  He is a software engineer in
>> management and I am sure this computer has all the bells and whistles
>> possible.  You have to know my son...only buys the best.  He told me
>> it is a the Professional model.  This computer has more memory, etc.
>> than my older, larger laptop which is getting TOO heavy for me to
>> carry along anymore.
>>
>> I do not want to change from FTM because I like it and as I said
>> before, I do not like change and learning new thingsgoing to the
>> latest edition of FTM will be a big deal for me.  But he bypassed the
>> "you have to update" message so I will not be bothered by this and I
>> am seriously considering updating to FTM 11 or whatever the newest
>> version is today.  You know tomorrow it will be obsolete!!  You are
>> dealing with a 74 year old woman here ..need I say more.  But
>> then, I am the most computer "literate" of all my sisters.I am
>> also the youngest.
>>
>> I'm going to call Ancestry and talk to them about all of this.  They
>> are pretty nice people, especially since I have been a member since
>> its inception.
>>
>> Getting too old, too soon.
>> "E"
>>
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>> membership."
>>
>
>
>
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> Castro Valley, CA
>
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> Rodrigues, and many more.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's Family Finder

[netadosAcores]

Wow!  How interesting.
 
Ally
 
 
In a message dated 3/17/2011 10:26:25 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
gfsche...@gmail.com writes:

It took awhile for ALL my dad's DNA results to come in on the Family  
Finder test, but they are now in.
 
Vocabulary lesson for those new or wondering about DNA:
Family Tree DNA (FTDNA):  The oldest and largest DNA testing company  
dedicated to genealogy.  They have high standards and are also involved  in 
national type standards, which they adhere to.  These are only some of  the 
reasons that the Azores DNA project is housed with FTDNA.
 
Family Finder:  A DNA test for autosomal DNA.  All your  lines.
 
Autosomal DNA:  Imagine this.  We all have 4  grandparents.  Let's use a 
deck of cards to represent each one: Clubs,  spades, hearts, and diamonds.  We 
get half our DNA from our father and  half from our mother.  Our father got 
half from his mom and half from his  dad.  Same goes for our mom.  So, 
theoretically, we should be 25% of  each grandparent.  However, DNA is a kind 
of 
recombining or shuffling of  DNA.  So if we take our deck of cards and 
shuffle them, that's like the  DNA recombining.  Keep half the deck and discard 
half.  Then shuffle  that half again.  Keep half and discard half.  Now look 
at the  cards.  Do you have 25% clubs, 25% hearts, 25% spades, and 25%  
diamonds?  Probably not.  
That's kind of what happens with DNA  as it is passed down each generation.
 
Why I tested my dad:  I have only half of his genes and 25% of each  of his 
parents (in theory, that is.  I may phycially have 20% from one  and 30% 
from the other).  My dad has roughly 50% from each parent (or 48  - 52% each 
parent).  So I tested his DNA because he has more of the  previous 
generations.
 
The results:
Population Finder:  This tells you on a large scale what percentages  you 
are:  African (there are subgroups), American (Central or South  American 
subgroups only), East Asian, European (no Portuguese data in their  sample), 
Middle Eastern, Oceania, or South Asian.  My dad, who is half  Portuguese and 
half American tested out to be 100% European, give or take  0.01%.  So I 
think it's pretty safe to say that within the last 5 to 7  generations, there 
are no surprises in his tree.  However, since the  geneticists that study 
populations have no Portuguese in their sample, my  dad's sub-European group is 
French!  I know his American half is made out  of lines that are heavy 
British surnames.  FTDNA does state that  Population Finder is in beta testing. 
 
As the geneticists study more  populations and add that data to their 
samples, I'm sure my dad's subgroup  will change as FTDNA updates that database.
 
Family Finder Matches:  I was pretty sure I wasn't going to have any  
Portuguese matches with my dad, as not many Portuguese people have had this  
test 
yet.  I did get a couple of matches on his American side.  It  takes some 
doing though and a pedigree that you can look at.  My dad has  a 2-great 
Bolton ancestor.  Once the other person posted Bolton, I knew  that is where 
the 
match was.  All we had to do was share our  Bolton lines and find the name 
of the common ancestor.  The  disappointment was cousin Charles.  He has 
Damrons and my dad's  great-grandma was a Damron.  Their common ancestors were 
born in the  1750s.  I was hoping there was enough DNA from the 1750s - 
1760s that  lasted until the 1930s when my dad and cousin Charles were born.   
180-something years.  And the Damron married his first cousin, so I was  
really hoping that there was enough DNA material to last that many  
generations. 
 I guess not with these two.  Either that or someone's  Damron pedigree is 
wrong.  But with the Damron clan, I don't think  so.  There's pretty good 
research with them, so I think that there just  wasn't quite enough genetic 
material that got passed down to these two  men.
 
However, my mom's DNA had a match that went back 140 years.  Again,  I have 
my mom's Gedcom up on her page and once I saw the other person post  their 
surnames, I knew where the match was.  Another neat feature:   Once I see 
the match, I can go to the Chromosome Browser and "see" exactly  where on the 
chromosome they match.  My mom matches this cousin on a big  chunk of 
chromosome 11 and a little bit on chromosome 15.
 
Funny about my mom:  She's from the Ozarks of Missouri.  Lived  right on 
the state line.  She crossed the street and she was in  Arkansas!  Her lines 
are heavy Tennessee, Kentucky, North Carolina, and  Virginia.  Or so I 
thought.  Her Population Finder?  90%  European (subgroup the British Isles, 
which 
is what I suspected).  The  other 10%?  Middle Eastern!  Time to reexamine 
her genealogy!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila  Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How long are records at The Bibliotecas and Arquivos k...

[netadosAcores]

In a message dated 3/18/2011 11:02:01 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
mikee...@hotmail.com writes:

" vieira  anselmo".  
Mikee
 
Where are your Vieira Anselmo's from?  And who are your parents and  
grandparents?
 
 
 
Ally
Vieira Anselmo in Ribeira Seca, Sao Miguel  
Pinheiro, Nunes, Silveira in Praia do Almoxarife and Pedro  Miguel, Faial
Silveira, Rodrigues in Sao Jorge




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took

[GraceFalcone]

Cheri,
Correct me, I believe I read somewhere that when WWII began, the United  
States limited the number of persons it accepted into this country.  This  was 
because of the masses that were trying to leave Europe. 
 
best, grace falcone
 
 
In a message dated 3/20/2011 11:53:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
gfsche...@gmail.com writes:

Linda  L,

The people who are more versed on history can answer.

When I  looked at the passaportes (emigration out of the Azores), there 
were a lot  from the 1880s-1900 going to Hawaii.  I saw a lot to America, and 
some to  Canada and Brazil.  When World War 2 hit, there were much, much less 
 people leaving.

If I had to guess, by 1920, the economy was better  after WWI and people 
started emigrating again.  But the historians in  this group will chime in and 
let you know.  I like history, but was not a  history major or read 
extensively on it.   Those who have read a lot  or were history majors will 
post, 
I'm sure.

Cheri Mello
Listowner,  Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira  das 
Tainhas, Achada
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

[Donna Moody]

Wow. What a find Rick. Great project this collector has going on.

One of the supposed 'facts' about the Azores that has always been  
illogical to me is that the islands were uninhabited until the 15th  
century. Just has never made sense to me considering the ancient  
long-distance trade routes of the world. I had some down-time  
yesterday (from my stupid linguistics class) so checked out  
Archaeology in the Azores. About 95% of what's being done is  
under-water archaeology however--I found a just released article about  
hypogea-burial caves-that have recently been found on Corvo and  
Terceira dating to 2000 BP. So much anthropological work that needs to  
be done here. I was quite excited.


Donna

Quoting Richard  Francis Pimentel :


Hi Donna,

A collector of records in Portugal gave me a list of all the recordings made
by Uncle Manny. Of the 100+ recordings made he has or has located 75. His
goal is to digitize the recordings and release a CD of them. He is involved
with a recording company there.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire


-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Donna Moody
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 6:58 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

So Rick, do you have the link to RCA Victor?  If not I can send you what I
have--again, sent to me by that ole Diane--some of his recordings.

Donna

Quoting Richard  Francis Pimentel :


Hi Joanne,

Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are
from Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If
your mother remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family.
The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great
uncle Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a number
of records from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his records I
have some but am always looking for more they are all in Portuguese on the

old 78 rpm format.

They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia.

I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to
Attleboro.


Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire


-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Joanne Mercier
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

Rick,
I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent.  She
remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street
and she thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it was
before I showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria
possibly being in that family - she still lives in Fall River and is
about my Mom's age (89) and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster
Street.  Is any of this familiar to you?  Let me know.

Joanne

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

[Donna Moody]

This is a pretty tight circle. I mentioned that my grandmother (Mary  
Pimentel) and grandfather (John Carvalho) had an arranged marriage.  
Their first child, my Aunt Mamie (Mary), married a Furtado and that  
was also an arranged marriage. I cannot remember his name (have to ask  
Aunt Irene) as my earliest memories are of them already being  
divorced. And my earliest memories are of Aunt Mamie, Beverly and  
Joyce, living at the farm with VoVo.


Donna


Quoting Richard  Francis Pimentel :


Hi Donna,

Linda and I are convinced we have a common ancestor that in being our great
grandfather Frank Pimentel's brother Marianno Furtado. We have not found the
smoking gun document but the indication is there. The only Marianno born in
the time frame of his age is Frank Pimentel's brother Marianno. In some
records Frank Pimentel's name is given as Francisco Pimentel Furtado. So it
is conceivable that Marianno just dropped the Pimentel name.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire



-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Donna Moody
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 10:27 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

Hi Linda,

I've read Rick's response to this. It does get confusing. My grandparents
are Mary Constance (Pimentel) and John George Carvalho.
They had an arranged marriage. My Dad, John was their 2nd oldest child, born
in 1915. So Rick's grandmother and my grandfather are siblings, and his
grandfather and my grandmother are siblings. So it looks like we three are
very related, although I would guess you are more our generation, yes?

Donna (Carvalho) Moody

Quoting Linda Norton :


Am I wrong Rick in saying that Mary Pimentel (your grandmother) m.
John Carvalho? If so, which would mean their children, Carvalho's are
my cousins as well being that they are Pimentel (Furtado's)?

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 7:33 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

Hi Joanne,

Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are
from Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If
your mother remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family.
The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great
uncle Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a number
of records from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his records I
have some but am always looking for more they are all in Portuguese on the

old 78 rpm format.

They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia.

I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to
Attleboro.


Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire


-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Joanne Mercier
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

Rick,
I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent.  She
remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street
and she thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it was
before I showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria
possibly being in that family - she still lives in Fall River and is
about my Mom's age (89) and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster
Street.  Is any of this familiar to you?  Let me know.

Joanne

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

[Donna Moody]

Linda, what is it you're looking for on Mary (Pimentel) Carvalho?

If you think this genealogy is difficult, you should see the nightmare  
involved in researching Native American ancestry. Not only were  
surnames changed but entire identities. Early Indian baptisms  
consisted of only the given name, no surnames, and the traditional  
name given was erased. Also, we are finding that the priests would  
sometimes list a person as 'white' after baptism, thus erasing any  
Indian identity. It's an absolute nightmare. When surnames finally  
were given, they were French names, further erasing the Indian identity.


Donna


Quoting Linda Norton :


Yes. I've been trying to get a record on my ggrandfather, Marianno Furtado
who supposedly is brother to Francisco Pimentel, Rick's ggrandfather. They
were siblings as your ggrandparents were siblings on the Carvalho side.

Rick and I have been on the group for years and I kept seeing his
information about his family from Ribeira Grande and I knew we were
connected somehow from his ggrandmother Maria Furtado. What we learned just
last year that my ggrandfather never carried the Pimentel name down, but
Rick found out on records that his grandfather came over with the Furtado
name on the ship manifest and that they had the same parents. Also Francisco
had a brother named Marianno which just made sense. Our grandparents were
first cousins generating from the female side.

Yes, we would be cousins since Maria Pimentel was Maria Furtado Teixeira
Pimentel and Manuel Furtado Teixeira Pimentel. Our ggrandparents were
siblings. Maria and Manuel were first cousins to my grandfather Antonio
Furtado.

It's amazing how many of us are probably related, but with family members
not carrying names down or changing names makes it much more difficult it is
to try to find relatives.

I'm trying to get my aunt and uncle, Marianno Furtado to find his
grandfather's information. I thought my dad had it, but I couldn't find it
when he passed away. My father never ever mentioned Pimentel so I was
shocked when I was finding this out. My father said his grandfather died
when he was young and didn't really remember him so that's probably one of
the reasons besides them never discussing past families.

Do you have any information on Mary Constance Pimentel?

I just met another cousin on line on my father's maternal side, Mike A. He
just recently joined the group. I've met four other cousins directly on line
as well. Isn't it incredible!

So, for now, I'm going to say you are possibly my fifth directly on line
besides all the other siblings.

Linda Borges Furtado Norton





-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Donna Moody
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 11:27 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

Hi Linda,

I've read Rick's response to this. It does get confusing. My grandparents
are Mary Constance (Pimentel) and John George Carvalho.
They had an arranged marriage. My Dad, John was their 2nd oldest child, born
in 1915. So Rick's grandmother and my grandfather are siblings, and his
grandfather and my grandmother are siblings. So it looks like we three are
very related, although I would guess you are more our generation, yes?

Donna (Carvalho) Moody

Quoting Linda Norton :


Am I wrong Rick in saying that Mary Pimentel (your grandmother) m.
John Carvalho? If so, which would mean their children, Carvalho's are
my cousins as well being that they are Pimentel (Furtado's)?

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 7:33 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

Hi Joanne,

Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are
from Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If
your mother remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family.
The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great
uncle Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a number
of records from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his records I
have some but am always looking for more they are all in Portuguese on the

old 78 rpm format.

They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia.

I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to
Attleboro.


Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire


-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Joanne Mercier
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

Rick,
I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent.  She
remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street
and she thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took

[Cheri Mello]

Grace,

Whoops, I meant to type WWI.  I didn't look at the passaportes in the WWII
period.  I was using the ones from the 1890s-1920s.  At the back of some of
the books, they wrote how many people total to each destination.  The books
during the WWI time period were much smaller and less people left.  After
the war, the books got bigger and more people started to immigrated again.

I know at one time there were quotas too in the United States.  Not sure
about the other countries.  I'm not that good at WWI or WWII history. But I
bet there's a list member who is.

Cheri

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 4:54 AM,  wrote:

>  Cheri,
> Correct me, I believe I read somewhere that when WWII began, the United
> States limited the number of persons it accepted into this country.  This
> was because of the masses that were trying to leave Europe.
>
> best, grace falcone
>
>  In a message dated 3/20/2011 11:53:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> gfsche...@gmail.com writes:
>
> Linda L,
>
> The people who are more versed on history can answer.
>
> When I looked at the passaportes (emigration out of the Azores), there were
> a lot from the 1880s-1900 going to Hawaii.  I saw a lot to America, and some
> to Canada and Brazil.  When World War 2 hit, there were much, much less
> people leaving.
>
> If I had to guess, by 1920, the economy was better after WWI and people
> started emigrating again.  But the historians in this group will chime in
> and let you know.  I like history, but was not a history major or read
> extensively on it.   Those who have read a lot or were history majors will
> post, I'm sure.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
> Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Familia Faialenses access

[Karlushko]

Please explain again how I am going to be able to read such book
 
Thank you for your patience


Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - New York/USA
Pesquisando: 
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, 
Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, 
Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, 
Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, 
Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

--- Em dom, 20/3/11, Cheri Mello  escreveu:


De: Cheri Mello 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Familia Faialenses access
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Domingo, 20 de Março de 2011, 13:14


Actually (and now I'm going off topic), you should always update the Java, 
Adobe Reader, Windows updates, when they ask (or demand) that you do so.  Some 
of them have have security fixes (yes, the hackers like to mess with Adobe 
Reader and Java too).  Not only are you safer, then you won't be having 
technically difficulties later.

Cheri


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's Family Finder

[Cheri Mello]

I think I may have found the "Middle Eastern" on my mom's line.  It just
never dawned on me (I wasn't looking for it).  She has a Wiseman line and I
took that name at face value and didn't even think it could be a corruption
of anything.  Well, I don't go looking for too many corruptions of names in
my mom's lines.  Guess I just thought it was something British.  Now, I'm
really thinking it's a corruption of Weissman.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7 Family Tree Maker Question

[bellemarco]

Thank you, Eric and all,

I do have both my computers back. The new mini is running Windows 7 as far  
as I know. I am, well my spouse is, hooking the new computer up today. My  
son gave me a larger screen for home to hook it up to and I will use the  
little one when travelling. I am still considering upgrading to the newest  
FTM and I would like feedback from anyone who has the newest version of  
FTM...problems learning, what it will, will not do that the old one did,  
etc. I believe I did see this on a screen at the genealogy conference in  
Pleasanton and was not sure I liked it.


By the way, I needed an obit for quite some time from the San Jose CA area  
and finally made it down to the Sunnyvale Public Library. Staff is great  
but the Library only carries the San Jose papers on film. No papers from  
other areas. Fortunately, the obit I was looking for was from the San Jose  
area and I did find it.


"E"
If this rain does not stop SOON, I am going to turn into a raiNsin!

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Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7 Family Tree Maker Question

[celeste perry]

Elaine,
   I now have Windows Vista it came with the Dell I bought a couple of years 
ago.  It was a pain to get used to that.  
   I began with FTM 3 (I think) and finally upgrated to 6 (16).  I like this 
version of FTM, it works for me.  
   At the same conference in Pleasanton, I saw the newer FTM program and do not 
like the fact that the "family page" is so cramped.  There is an index on one 
side and other information that I think would make a small  screen too busy for 
my old eyes.  I am resisting any upgrades at this time.  
   Just another "mature" lady's opinion.
Celeste, Hayward, CA 

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com

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From: bellema...@gmail.com 
Subject: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7 
Family Tree Maker Question
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, March 21, 2011, 10:04 AM


Thank you, Eric and all, 

I do have both my computers back. The new mini is running Windows 7 as far as I 
know. I am, well my spouse is, hooking the new computer up today. My son gave 
me a larger screen for home to hook it up to and I will use the little one when 
travelling. I am still considering upgrading to the newest FTM and I would like 
feedback from anyone who has the newest version of FTM...problems learning, 
what it will, will not do that the old one did, etc. I believe I did see this 
on a screen at the genealogy conference in Pleasanton and was not sure I liked 
it. 

By the way, I needed an obit for quite some time from the San Jose CA area and 
finally made it down to the Sunnyvale Public Library. Staff is great but the 
Library only carries the San Jose papers on film. No papers from other areas. 
Fortunately, the obit I was looking for was from the San Jose area and I did 
find it. 

"E" 
If this rain does not stop SOON, I am going to turn into a raiNsin! 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Donna,

If my information is correct his name was Anthony Furtado. May be I should
try and track that marriage down.

rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 


-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Donna Moody
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:12 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

This is a pretty tight circle. I mentioned that my grandmother (Mary
Pimentel) and grandfather (John Carvalho) had an arranged marriage.  
Their first child, my Aunt Mamie (Mary), married a Furtado and that was also
an arranged marriage. I cannot remember his name (have to ask Aunt Irene) as
my earliest memories are of them already being divorced. And my earliest
memories are of Aunt Mamie, Beverly and Joyce, living at the farm with VoVo.

Donna


Quoting Richard  Francis Pimentel :

> Hi Donna,
>
> Linda and I are convinced we have a common ancestor that in being our 
> great grandfather Frank Pimentel's brother Marianno Furtado. We have 
> not found the smoking gun document but the indication is there. The 
> only Marianno born in the time frame of his age is Frank Pimentel's 
> brother Marianno. In some records Frank Pimentel's name is given as 
> Francisco Pimentel Furtado. So it is conceivable that Marianno just
dropped the Pimentel name.
>
> Rick
>
> Richard Francis Pimentel
> Spring, TX
> Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Donna Moody
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 10:27 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.
>
> Hi Linda,
>
> I've read Rick's response to this. It does get confusing. My 
> grandparents are Mary Constance (Pimentel) and John George Carvalho.
> They had an arranged marriage. My Dad, John was their 2nd oldest 
> child, born in 1915. So Rick's grandmother and my grandfather are 
> siblings, and his grandfather and my grandmother are siblings. So it 
> looks like we three are very related, although I would guess you are more
our generation, yes?
>
> Donna (Carvalho) Moody
>
> Quoting Linda Norton :
>
>> Am I wrong Rick in saying that Mary Pimentel (your grandmother) m.
>> John Carvalho? If so, which would mean their children, Carvalho's are 
>> my cousins as well being that they are Pimentel (Furtado's)?
>>
>> Linda Borges Furtado Norton
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Francis Pimentel
>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 7:33 PM
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.
>>
>> Hi Joanne,
>>
>> Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are 
>> from Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If 
>> your mother remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family.
>> The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great 
>> uncle Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a 
>> number of records from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his 
>> records I have some but am always looking for more they are all in 
>> Portuguese on the
> old 78 rpm format.
>> They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia.
>>
>> I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to 
>> Attleboro.
>>
>>
>> Richard Francis Pimentel
>> Spring, TX
>> Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Joanne Mercier
>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.
>>
>> Rick,
>> I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent.  She 
>> remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street 
>> and she thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it 
>> was before I showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria 
>> possibly being in that family - she still lives in Fall River and is 
>> about my Mom's age (89) and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster 
>> Street.  Is any of this familiar to you?  Let me know.
>>
>> Joanne
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's Family Finder

[GraceFalcone]

Cheri,
I am saving your email!!  You nailed the explanation.  
 
best regards, grace falcone
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/21/2011 12:17:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
netadosaco...@aol.com writes:

Wow!  How interesting.
 
Ally
 
 
In a message dated 3/17/2011 10:26:25 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
gfsche...@gmail.com writes:

It took awhile for ALL my dad's DNA results to come in on the Family  
Finder test, but they are now in.
 
Vocabulary lesson for those new or wondering about DNA:
Family Tree DNA (FTDNA):  The oldest and largest DNA testing  company 
dedicated to genealogy.  They have high standards and are also  involved in 
national type standards, which they adhere to.  These are  only some of the 
reasons that the Azores DNA project is housed with  FTDNA.
 
Family Finder:  A DNA test for autosomal DNA.  All your  lines.
 
Autosomal DNA:  Imagine this.  We all have 4  grandparents.  Let's use a 
deck of cards to represent each one: Clubs,  spades, hearts, and diamonds.  We 
get half our DNA from our father and  half from our mother.  Our father got 
half from his mom and half from  his dad.  Same goes for our mom.  So, 
theoretically, we should be  25% of each grandparent.  However, DNA is a kind 
of 
recombining or  shuffling of DNA.  So if we take our deck of cards and 
shuffle them,  that's like the DNA recombining.  Keep half the deck and discard 
 
half.  Then shuffle that half again.  Keep half and discard  half.  Now 
look at the cards.  Do you have 25% clubs, 25% hearts,  25% spades, and 25% 
diamonds?  Probably not.  
That's kind of  what happens with DNA as it is passed down each generation.
 
Why I tested my dad:  I have only half of his genes and 25% of  each of his 
parents (in theory, that is.  I may phycially have 20% from  one and 30% 
from the other).  My dad has roughly 50% from each parent  (or 48 - 52% each 
parent).  So I tested his DNA because he has more of  the previous 
generations.
 
The results:
Population Finder:  This tells you on a large scale what  percentages you 
are:  African (there are subgroups), American (Central  or South American 
subgroups only), East Asian, European (no Portuguese data  in their sample), 
Middle Eastern, Oceania, or South Asian.  My dad, who  is half Portuguese and 
half American tested out to be 100% European, give or  take 0.01%.  So I 
think it's pretty safe to say that within the last 5  to 7 generations, there 
are no surprises in his tree.  However,  since the geneticists that study 
populations have no Portuguese in their  sample, my dad's sub-European group is 
French!  I know his American  half is made out of lines that are heavy 
British surnames.  FTDNA does  state that Population Finder is in beta testing. 
 
As the geneticists  study more populations and add that data to their 
samples, I'm sure my dad's  subgroup will change as FTDNA updates that database.
 
Family Finder Matches:  I was pretty sure I wasn't going to have  any 
Portuguese matches with my dad, as not many Portuguese people have had  this 
test 
yet.  I did get a couple of matches on his American  side.  It takes some 
doing though and a pedigree that you can look  at.  My dad has a 2-great 
Bolton ancestor.  Once the other person  posted Bolton, I knew that is where 
the 
match was.  All we  had to do was share our Bolton lines and find the name 
of the common  ancestor.  The disappointment was cousin Charles.  He has 
Damrons  and my dad's great-grandma was a Damron.  Their common ancestors were  
born in the 1750s.  I was hoping there was enough DNA from the 1750s -  
1760s that lasted until the 1930s when my dad and cousin Charles were  born.  
180-something years.  And the Damron married his first  cousin, so I was 
really hoping that there was enough DNA material to last  that many 
generations. 
 I guess not with these two.  Either that  or someone's Damron pedigree is 
wrong.  But with the Damron clan, I  don't think so.  There's pretty good 
research with them, so I think  that there just wasn't quite enough genetic 
material that got passed down to  these two men.
 
However, my mom's DNA had a match that went back 140 years.   Again, I have 
my mom's Gedcom up on her page and once I saw the other person  post their 
surnames, I knew where the match was.  Another neat  feature:  Once I see 
the match, I can go to the Chromosome Browser and  "see" exactly where on the 
chromosome they match.  My mom matches this  cousin on a big chunk of 
chromosome 11 and a little bit on chromosome  15.
 
Funny about my mom:  She's from the Ozarks of Missouri.   Lived right on 
the state line.  She crossed the street and she was in  Arkansas!  Her lines 
are heavy Tennessee, Kentucky, North Carolina, and  Virginia.  Or so I 
thought.  Her Population Finder?  90%  European (subgroup the British Isles, 
which 
is what I suspected).  The  other 10%?  Middle Eastern!  Time to reexamine 
her genealogy!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila  Franca, Ponta 

[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker Upgrade Question

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Elaine,

Kathy Cardoza wrote up a detailed review of Family Tree Maker on a Mac.
http://goo.gl/YMKAP

I think the Mac and the Windows versions are pretty darn similar.  Maybe a
couple of things are filed differently under the menus.

-- 
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Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

[Donna Moody]

Thanks for nudging this increasingly old brain Rick. I do believe  
you're right.

Donna

Quoting Richard  Francis Pimentel :


Hi Donna,

If my information is correct his name was Anthony Furtado. May be I should
try and track that marriage down.

rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire


-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Donna Moody
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:12 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

This is a pretty tight circle. I mentioned that my grandmother (Mary
Pimentel) and grandfather (John Carvalho) had an arranged marriage.
Their first child, my Aunt Mamie (Mary), married a Furtado and that was also
an arranged marriage. I cannot remember his name (have to ask Aunt Irene) as
my earliest memories are of them already being divorced. And my earliest
memories are of Aunt Mamie, Beverly and Joyce, living at the farm with VoVo.

Donna


Quoting Richard  Francis Pimentel :


Hi Donna,

Linda and I are convinced we have a common ancestor that in being our
great grandfather Frank Pimentel's brother Marianno Furtado. We have
not found the smoking gun document but the indication is there. The
only Marianno born in the time frame of his age is Frank Pimentel's
brother Marianno. In some records Frank Pimentel's name is given as
Francisco Pimentel Furtado. So it is conceivable that Marianno just

dropped the Pimentel name.


Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire



-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Donna Moody
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 10:27 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

Hi Linda,

I've read Rick's response to this. It does get confusing. My
grandparents are Mary Constance (Pimentel) and John George Carvalho.
They had an arranged marriage. My Dad, John was their 2nd oldest
child, born in 1915. So Rick's grandmother and my grandfather are
siblings, and his grandfather and my grandmother are siblings. So it
looks like we three are very related, although I would guess you are more

our generation, yes?


Donna (Carvalho) Moody

Quoting Linda Norton :


Am I wrong Rick in saying that Mary Pimentel (your grandmother) m.
John Carvalho? If so, which would mean their children, Carvalho's are
my cousins as well being that they are Pimentel (Furtado's)?

Linda Borges Furtado Norton

-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 7:33 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

Hi Joanne,

Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are
from Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If
your mother remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family.
The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great
uncle Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a
number of records from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his
records I have some but am always looking for more they are all in
Portuguese on the

old 78 rpm format.

They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia.

I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to
Attleboro.


Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire


-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Joanne Mercier
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.

Rick,
I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent.  She
remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street
and she thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it
was before I showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria
possibly being in that family - she still lives in Fall River and is
about my Mom's age (89) and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster
Street.  Is any of this familiar to you?  Let me know.

Joanne

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Death Records

[Cheri Mello]

One way I use them:

There is no death index or anything like that to indicate when a person
died.  And I'm a whole family researcher (or cluster or whatever the current
buzz word is).  I get the info on my ancestor and spouse.  I collect ALL the
kids' baptisms and ALL the kids' marriages.  Here's why.

Let's say baby Jose was born in 1850.  Another baby Jose was born in 1855.
The first Jose died between 1850 and 1855.  I can search the deaths for that
period to find his obit.  Also having the whole family keeps me from
latching onto the wrong Jose.  In most families, you did not have boys with
the same name.  You could have multiple Marias (many of who went by their
middle religious name).

Then I would collect all the marriages of all the kids that lived to
adulthood.  Let's pretend with these:
Francisco m. in 1870.  His parents' names are listed in the marriage.
Maria m. in 1872.  Her parents' names are listed in the marriage.
Jose m. in 1875.  His parents' names are listed in the marriage.
Rosa m. in 1878.  Her father's name is listed with "ja defuncto" after his
name.  That means he's dead.

So now I can search the deaths between 1875-1878 for the father's death.

For those new to this, "ja defunta" would be after the mother's name
indicting only she is dead.
"ja defuntos" (with an "s") would appear after the mother's name indicting
both parents are dead.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7 Family Tree Maker Question

[Shirley Allegre]

My dogs and I are going to turn into SNOWBALLS.
Shirley
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Familia Faialenses access

[rcapodc]

>

Karl

As I said the records are all in Portuguese. You will have to look at each
Chapter and figure out the numbering system. The 1st one obviously is the
initial person with his spouse. Under that name is usually the children.
Each child has a number and that follows down the line. The genealogy
lines are pretty easy to follow once you get the hang of it but the
"Notas" in the back are hard. If you really want to find out what they say
you need to get someone who reads Portuguese to translate. You can try
with the Google Translater but it doesn't make a lot of sense sometimes!

Just remember "N" by the date means Naceu--Born, C--Casou--Married, and
M--morreu---died.

So you might see Jose de Freitas n 1590, c (or casou)de Maria Souza 1620,
m 1660.

Good Luck

Rosemarie




Please explain again how I am going to be able to read such book
>  
> Thank you for your patience
>
>
> Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - New York/USA
> Pesquisando:
> Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
> Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão,
> Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira,
> Figueiro, Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos,
> Macedo, Machado, Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira,
> Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado,
> Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira,
> Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres,
> Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.
>
> --- Em dom, 20/3/11, Cheri Mello  escreveu:
>
>
> De: Cheri Mello 
> Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Familia Faialenses access
> Para: azores@googlegroups.com
> Data: Domingo, 20 de Março de 2011, 13:14
>
>
> Actually (and now I'm going off topic), you should always update the Java,
> Adobe Reader, Windows updates, when they ask (or demand) that you do so. 
> Some of them have have security fixes (yes, the hackers like to mess with
> Adobe Reader and Java too).  Not only are you safer, then you won't be
> having technically difficulties later.
>
> Cheri
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: How long are records at The Bibliotecas and Arquivos kept

[MIKE A]

wow, thank you all for the info. It seems that there are some missing
records which just can not b traced. It really sounds that the
geneology books you all have listed can be of tremendous help when you
arrive at the begining of the church records and are at a dead end.
Those books seem like a wealth of information, but are they only in
portuguese text? I can read a little portuguese , but it seems like it
will get a little overwhelming if you dont read portuguese often. Do
any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated
into english text?

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RE: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7 Family Tree Maker Question

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I used FTM 2006 (16) for years and was very comfortable with it. I got 2008
and did not like it and then 2009 and did not like that as well I just kept
using 2006 (16). I guess I got 2011 when it first came out and while I still
like 2006 (16), 2011 is better than 2008 & 2009. I have stopped using 2006
now and am forcing myself to use 2011. There are some things I still have to
learn with it but I find it is easier to make major changes in such things
as source references and standardizing entries on previous data.

 

The biggest thing I don't like is entering data is a little more awkward.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

 

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To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win
7 Family Tree Maker Question

 

Thank you, Eric and all, 

I do have both my computers back. The new mini is running Windows 7 as far
as I know. I am, well my spouse is, hooking the new computer up today. My
son gave me a larger screen for home to hook it up to and I will use the
little one when travelling. I am still considering upgrading to the newest
FTM and I would like feedback from anyone who has the newest version of
FTM...problems learning, what it will, will not do that the old one did,
etc. I believe I did see this on a screen at the genealogy conference in
Pleasanton and was not sure I liked it. 

By the way, I needed an obit for quite some time from the San Jose CA area
and finally made it down to the Sunnyvale Public Library. Staff is great but
the Library only carries the San Jose papers on film. No papers from other
areas. Fortunately, the obit I was looking for was from the San Jose area
and I did find it. 

"E" 
If this rain does not stop SOON, I am going to turn into a raiNsin! 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's Family Finder

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

It sounds like some Jewish roots. The name was changed to blend in with
English names.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

 

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Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 11:25 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's Family Finder

 

I think I may have found the "Middle Eastern" on my mom's line.  It just
never dawned on me (I wasn't looking for it).  She has a Wiseman line and I
took that name at face value and didn't even think it could be a corruption
of anything.  Well, I don't go looking for too many corruptions of names in
my mom's lines.  Guess I just thought it was something British.  Now, I'm
really thinking it's a corruption of Weissman.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

During WW 1 most countries did not let men leave because they needed them
for the war. After the war US limited immigration. There were three major
acts passed 1917, 1921 & 1924 Most noted the Barred Zone act of 1917 limited
the immigration form Asia (Chinese Exclusion). The Emergency Quota Act of
1921 limited immigration to the US at the current ethnic distribution in the
US. For example if 3% of the ethnic population was from Portugal then 3% of
the immigrants permitted into the US were Portuguese. The act of 1924
limited immigration from southern and eastern European countries and Asia.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 11:23 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took

 

Grace,

Whoops, I meant to type WWI.  I didn't look at the passaportes in the WWII
period.  I was using the ones from the 1890s-1920s.  At the back of some of
the books, they wrote how many people total to each destination.  The books
during the WWI time period were much smaller and less people left.  After
the war, the books got bigger and more people started to immigrated again.

I know at one time there were quotas too in the United States.  Not sure
about the other countries.  I'm not that good at WWI or WWII history. But I
bet there's a list member who is.

Cheri

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 4:54 AM,  wrote:

Cheri,

Correct me, I believe I read somewhere that when WWII began, the United
States limited the number of persons it accepted into this country.  This
was because of the masses that were trying to leave Europe. 

 

best, grace falcone

 

In a message dated 3/20/2011 11:53:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gfsche...@gmail.com writes:

Linda L,

The people who are more versed on history can answer.

When I looked at the passaportes (emigration out of the Azores), there were
a lot from the 1880s-1900 going to Hawaii.  I saw a lot to America, and some
to Canada and Brazil.  When World War 2 hit, there were much, much less
people leaving.

If I had to guess, by 1920, the economy was better after WWI and people
started emigrating again.  But the historians in this group will chime in
and let you know.  I like history, but was not a history major or read
extensively on it.   Those who have read a lot or were history majors will
post, I'm sure.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Vieira Anselmo, Ribeira Grande area, Sao Miguel island

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Mike A: mikee108 at hotmail.com

hello Ally, i have actually got quite a bit of help thanks to Pat who
has directed me towards some great info for my vieira anselmo side .
It belongs on my maternal side. I have not been focussing much of my
attention on this side yet , but definetely am gonna get to it when i
have some more time. They all seem to be from the Sao pedro , ribeira
seca da ribeira grande area. My great grandparents are as
follows

great grandparents
-->SOPHIA VIEIRA ANSELMO (b. dec 1898) m MANUEL DE SOUSA CALOURO b
1896

her parents
-->FRANSISCO VIEIRA ANSELMO b.1854 m MARIA OLINDA b.1868

fransisco's parents
-->JOSE ANSELMO VIEIRA m JACINTA JULIA ( OR OU DE JESUS)

jose's parents
-->MANUEL ANSELMO VIEIRA m 1819 MARIA DA ESTRELA

manuel's parents
-->ANSELMO VIEIRA m JOSEFA DE JESUS

anselmos parents
-->ANTONIO VIEIRA m QUITERIA DE JESUS


She had about 14 or 15 siblings from what i have heard. Not sure if
they are all here, I have the following list of 
-maria b.1884
-manuel b 1885
-jose b.1887
-carolina b1888
-rosalina b.1889
-jacinto b.1891
-antonio vieira b 1892 m to luzia do carmo reis ( daughter of manuel
dos reis and jacinta augusta soares)
-jacinto b.1894
- jose b.1897
-manuel vieira b.1901 m to maria da estrela barbosa( daughter of
joaquim carreiro barbosa and maria hortencia)
-joao vieira b 1903 m to beatriz dias branco( daughter of jose dias
branco and maria do rosario)
-hermano vieira b 1907 m to maria jose rebelo (Daughter of joao rebelo
and maria jose)
-georgina b 1909 m manuel de sousa coelho (son of joaquim de sousa
coelho and ana da conceicao coelho)

I am not sure where they moved on from ribeira grande area. I think i
have come across your name also when i was starting to look for the
Vieira anselmo line. Who are your grandparents and familly? please let
me know if you got any more info , thanks andf take care .

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: How long are records at The Bibliotecas and Arquivos kept

[Cheri Mello]

Mike,

About the books - You can get used to most of the lineage in Portuguese.  If
you find a paragraph written about your ancestor, you can try Babelfish or
just post and those who are fluent will help out.

Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades

[Emacadi]

Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used  copy.   
I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of  Das Saudades 
da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso.  It's about the leading families  in the early 
days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little  on the other 
islands.  Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's.   I know several 
people on the list have the book.  I gave my copy to the  Family History 
Library in Oakland.  
Eloise
 
 
In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
mikee...@hotmail.com writes:

Do
any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been  translated
into english  text?


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades

[Kawika322]

I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da
terra  that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. I also
burned a copy to a cd that I put in the Oakland FHC library which
should be available to those who want to view it.

David

On Mar 21, 6:49 pm, emac...@aol.com wrote:
> Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used  copy.  
> I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of  Das Saudades
> da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso.  It's about the leading families  in the early
> days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little  on the other
> islands.  Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's.   I know several
> people on the list have the book.  I gave my copy to the  Family History
> Library in Oakland.  
> Eloise
>
> In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
>
> mikee...@hotmail.com writes:
>
> Do
> any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been  translated
> into english  text?

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades

[Altino DeMelo]

David, i would love a copy if you are able to send it.

(demelo.alt...@yahoo.com)

On Mar 21, 10:44 pm, Kawika322  wrote:
> I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da
> terra  that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. I also
> burned a copy to a cd that I put in the Oakland FHC library which
> should be available to those who want to view it.
>
>             David
>
> On Mar 21, 6:49 pm, emac...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used  copy.  
> > I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of  Das Saudades
> > da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso.  It's about the leading families  in the early
> > days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little  on the other
> > islands.  Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's.   I know several
> > people on the list have the book.  I gave my copy to the  Family History
> > Library in Oakland.  
> > Eloise
>
> > In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
>
> > mikee...@hotmail.com writes:
>
> > Do
> > any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been  translated
> > into english  text?

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades

[Sam Koester]

Me too, please!  Sam in Maz

-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Altino DeMelo
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:12 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades

David, i would love a copy if you are able to send it.

(demelo.alt...@yahoo.com)

On Mar 21, 10:44 pm, Kawika322  wrote:
> I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da
> terra  that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. I also
> burned a copy to a cd that I put in the Oakland FHC library which
> should be available to those who want to view it.
>
>             David
>
> On Mar 21, 6:49 pm, emac...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used  copy.
 
> > I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of  Das
Saudades
> > da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso.  It's about the leading families  in the
early
> > days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little  on the
other
> > islands.  Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's.   I know several
> > people on the list have the book.  I gave my copy to the  Family History
> > Library in Oakland.  
> > Eloise
>
> > In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
>
> > mikee...@hotmail.com writes:
>
> > Do
> > any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been  translated
> > into english  text?

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