Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with record

2012-06-11 Thread Marcio Borba

To me looks the abreviation Roiz, for Rodrigues
Marcio Borba 
Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com

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Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with record
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Sábado, 9 de Junho de 2012, 10:39

I just need help with Pedro Ferreira's mother's last name I know her first name 
is Margarida but can't make out her last name.
Thanks



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Understanding Azores in 1880

2012-06-11 Thread Leonard Silva
My grandfather, Manuel Correia Silva was born in Covas, Graciosa on 16 Nov 
1867 and immigrated in 1882 at the age of fifteen.  The first record I have 
is a new Bedford City Directory from 1883 which showed him working as a 
barber.  Family lore says that he was trained as a barber in Graciosa..

I also think that because he was working as a barber that he could speak 
english in 1883.  The 1890 census showed that he could read, write and 
speak english.

My question, for anyone who has studied the history and culture of the time 
is: Is it more likely that he was from a merchant class, rather that the 
fisherman/farmer who appear to be the majority of immigrants?

Could he have learned english in Graciosa?

How likely is it that his father was a barber?

Manuel was very successful, always locating his shop in the heart of the 
business and political hubs of New Bedford.  I wonder if that was learned 
in Graciosa, where the barber served the wealthy folks.  He stood behind a 
barber chair for more than sixty years until he retired at seventy-five.

I know there are no real questions or answers here, I'm just trying to get 
a feeling for what his life may have been like before he left.

Thanks for your indulgence,

Len Silva

  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Immigrant Ships

2012-06-11 Thread Karen Huffman
Hello Len,
My relatives all settled in New Bedford when they arrived coming through
Providence,  RI. Did you look there? By the way, my great grandfather was
Joao Correia dos Santos. All his siblings and father are Correia da Silva.
He had a brother Manuel. His grandfather was also Manuel. They came from
Graciosa. Most of my relatives left New Bedford for the Santa Clara Valley.
The Silva ones we know of went to Mendocino County, Fort Bragg, and
Truckee. Any relation?

Karen :)

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Leonard Silva lensi...@lenstudio.comwrote:

 My grandfather, Manuel Correia Silva arrived either on 22 Apr 1882 or Aug
 1882. (See attachments)

 One of these documents say that he sailed from Graciosa on an unnamed
 schooner.

 Family stories say that he came as a 15 year old stowaway with an older
 cousin who abandoned him in Boston.

 I can find no record of ship arrivals in Boston or New Bedford, much less
 schooners,  around those dates.

 I'm looking for any help or guidance in learning more about how he came
 here.

 Thanks,

 Len Silva

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Immigrant Ships

2012-06-11 Thread Cheri Mello
Len,

The 3 ports for the Azores are Horta in Faial, Angra in Terceira, and Ponta
Delgada on Sao Miguel.

If you did not live on one of those 3 islands where the ports were located,
you had to get there.  Since your ancestor was on Graciosa, he had to catch
a smaller port to one of the 3 main ports and sail from one of those
ports.  But when asked where he sailed from, he said Graciosa.  That's
probably where he caught the smaller boat.

He does say he arrived in New Bedford.  However, he may have sailed into NY
first and may have been counted there and remained on the boat and
disembarked in New Bedford.  You have to check NY as well.

I wouldn't put too much stock in the stowaway story.  He would have had to
get away with it on both ends (Azores and America).

Did you order his naturalization packet?  The American passport paperwork
has the information for the naturalization packet.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Understanding Azores in 1880

2012-06-11 Thread Cheri Mello
Len,

The 1890 census burned.  The largest fragment is 3/4 of a roll from some
county in Alabama.  How sure are you that you found him on the 1890?

Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Immigrant Ships

2012-06-11 Thread Mike
Cheri,
where and how do you write to get the pass port paperwork?
Mike

On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:07:45 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Len,

 The 3 ports for the Azores are Horta in Faial, Angra in Terceira, and 
 Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel. 

 If you did not live on one of those 3 islands where the ports were 
 located, you had to get there.  Since your ancestor was on Graciosa, he had 
 to catch a smaller port to one of the 3 main ports and sail from one of 
 those ports.  But when asked where he sailed from, he said Graciosa.  
 That's probably where he caught the smaller boat.

 He does say he arrived in New Bedford.  However, he may have sailed into 
 NY first and may have been counted there and remained on the boat and 
 disembarked in New Bedford.  You have to check NY as well.  

 I wouldn't put too much stock in the stowaway story.  He would have had to 
 get away with it on both ends (Azores and America).

 Did you order his naturalization packet?  The American passport paperwork 
 has the information for the naturalization packet.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada


On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:07:45 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Len,

 The 3 ports for the Azores are Horta in Faial, Angra in Terceira, and 
 Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel. 

 If you did not live on one of those 3 islands where the ports were 
 located, you had to get there.  Since your ancestor was on Graciosa, he had 
 to catch a smaller port to one of the 3 main ports and sail from one of 
 those ports.  But when asked where he sailed from, he said Graciosa.  
 That's probably where he caught the smaller boat.

 He does say he arrived in New Bedford.  However, he may have sailed into 
 NY first and may have been counted there and remained on the boat and 
 disembarked in New Bedford.  You have to check NY as well.  

 I wouldn't put too much stock in the stowaway story.  He would have had to 
 get away with it on both ends (Azores and America).

 Did you order his naturalization packet?  The American passport paperwork 
 has the information for the naturalization packet.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada


On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:07:45 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Len,

 The 3 ports for the Azores are Horta in Faial, Angra in Terceira, and 
 Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel. 

 If you did not live on one of those 3 islands where the ports were 
 located, you had to get there.  Since your ancestor was on Graciosa, he had 
 to catch a smaller port to one of the 3 main ports and sail from one of 
 those ports.  But when asked where he sailed from, he said Graciosa.  
 That's probably where he caught the smaller boat.

 He does say he arrived in New Bedford.  However, he may have sailed into 
 NY first and may have been counted there and remained on the boat and 
 disembarked in New Bedford.  You have to check NY as well.  

 I wouldn't put too much stock in the stowaway story.  He would have had to 
 get away with it on both ends (Azores and America).

 Did you order his naturalization packet?  The American passport paperwork 
 has the information for the naturalization packet.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada


On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:07:45 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Len,

 The 3 ports for the Azores are Horta in Faial, Angra in Terceira, and 
 Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel. 

 If you did not live on one of those 3 islands where the ports were 
 located, you had to get there.  Since your ancestor was on Graciosa, he had 
 to catch a smaller port to one of the 3 main ports and sail from one of 
 those ports.  But when asked where he sailed from, he said Graciosa.  
 That's probably where he caught the smaller boat.

 He does say he arrived in New Bedford.  However, he may have sailed into 
 NY first and may have been counted there and remained on the boat and 
 disembarked in New Bedford.  You have to check NY as well.  

 I wouldn't put too much stock in the stowaway story.  He would have had to 
 get away with it on both ends (Azores and America).

 Did you order his naturalization packet?  The American passport paperwork 
 has the information for the naturalization packet.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada


On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:07:45 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Len,

 The 3 ports for the Azores are Horta in Faial, Angra in Terceira, and 
 Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel. 

 If you did not live on one of those 3 islands where the ports were 
 located, you had to get there.  Since your ancestor was on Graciosa, he had 
 to catch a smaller port to one of the 3 main ports and sail from one of 
 those ports.  But when asked where he sailed from, he said Graciosa.  
 That's 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Understanding Azores in 1880

2012-06-11 Thread Leonard Silva
That was an error, it was 1900.

Len

On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:09:29 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Len,

 The 1890 census burned.  The largest fragment is 3/4 of a roll from some 
 county in Alabama.  How sure are you that you found him on the 1890?

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Immigrant Ships

2012-06-11 Thread Cheri Mello
American passports can be obtained from different agencies, depending on
the year they applied. I am on break between students and will post the URL
when I get home later tonight. Cheri
On Jun 11, 2012 4:00 PM, Mike mgilfilia...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cheri,
 where and how do you write to get the pass port paperwork?
 Mike

 On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:07:45 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Len,

 The 3 ports for the Azores are Horta in Faial, Angra in Terceira, and
 Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel.

 If you did not live on one of those 3 islands where the ports were
 located, you had to get there.  Since your ancestor was on Graciosa, he had
 to catch a smaller port to one of the 3 main ports and sail from one of
 those ports.  But when asked where he sailed from, he said Graciosa.
 That's probably where he caught the smaller boat.

 He does say he arrived in New Bedford.  However, he may have sailed into
 NY first and may have been counted there and remained on the boat and
 disembarked in New Bedford.  You have to check NY as well.

 I wouldn't put too much stock in the stowaway story.  He would have had
 to get away with it on both ends (Azores and America).

 Did you order his naturalization packet?  The American passport paperwork
 has the information for the naturalization packet.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada


 On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:07:45 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Len,

 The 3 ports for the Azores are Horta in Faial, Angra in Terceira, and
 Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel.

 If you did not live on one of those 3 islands where the ports were
 located, you had to get there.  Since your ancestor was on Graciosa, he had
 to catch a smaller port to one of the 3 main ports and sail from one of
 those ports.  But when asked where he sailed from, he said Graciosa.
 That's probably where he caught the smaller boat.

 He does say he arrived in New Bedford.  However, he may have sailed into
 NY first and may have been counted there and remained on the boat and
 disembarked in New Bedford.  You have to check NY as well.

 I wouldn't put too much stock in the stowaway story.  He would have had
 to get away with it on both ends (Azores and America).

 Did you order his naturalization packet?  The American passport paperwork
 has the information for the naturalization packet.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada


 On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:07:45 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Len,

 The 3 ports for the Azores are Horta in Faial, Angra in Terceira, and
 Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel.

 If you did not live on one of those 3 islands where the ports were
 located, you had to get there.  Since your ancestor was on Graciosa, he had
 to catch a smaller port to one of the 3 main ports and sail from one of
 those ports.  But when asked where he sailed from, he said Graciosa.
 That's probably where he caught the smaller boat.

 He does say he arrived in New Bedford.  However, he may have sailed into
 NY first and may have been counted there and remained on the boat and
 disembarked in New Bedford.  You have to check NY as well.

 I wouldn't put too much stock in the stowaway story.  He would have had
 to get away with it on both ends (Azores and America).

 Did you order his naturalization packet?  The American passport paperwork
 has the information for the naturalization packet.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada


 On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:07:45 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Len,

 The 3 ports for the Azores are Horta in Faial, Angra in Terceira, and
 Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel.

 If you did not live on one of those 3 islands where the ports were
 located, you had to get there.  Since your ancestor was on Graciosa, he had
 to catch a smaller port to one of the 3 main ports and sail from one of
 those ports.  But when asked where he sailed from, he said Graciosa.
 That's probably where he caught the smaller boat.

 He does say he arrived in New Bedford.  However, he may have sailed into
 NY first and may have been counted there and remained on the boat and
 disembarked in New Bedford.  You have to check NY as well.

 I wouldn't put too much stock in the stowaway story.  He would have had
 to get away with it on both ends (Azores and America).

 Did you order his naturalization packet?  The American passport paperwork
 has the information for the naturalization packet.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada


 On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:07:45 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Len,

 The 3 ports for the Azores are Horta in Faial, Angra in Terceira, and
 Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel.

 If you did not live on one of those 3 islands where the ports were
 located, you had to get there.  

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family finder family tree DNA kit sale

2012-06-11 Thread Cheri Mello
Carol, you are talking about the most distant ancestor screen, right? I
think you put Christina. Upload your Gedcom to your brother's DNA page.
Once I see your tree, I will know for sure. Cheri
On Jun 11, 2012 4:01 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote:

 **
 Dear Cheri,

 I have received my kit, will use my brothers DNA.  I know where our GGG
 grandma on our MATERNAL side came from and her name(thanks to you)She
 came here with (husband)??  WIlliam Jason Wood.  She was the grand
 daughter of Manuel de Dutra  Luna and Maria Josefa - their daughter
 Christina
 married Carlos Matson - They had the following  (Maria born 1838 - think
 this was my ggg grandmother) Carlos 1839, Maria 1840, Amaro 1843
 Maria 1844. They were from Sao Roque do Pico.   Our Paternal grandfather
 came straight from England.   I am assuming that I put the last name
 of Christine de luna from Sao Roque do Pico.   Is this right.

 Thanks once again for your help.  Carol Lobo


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
 *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 09, 2012 08:33
 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family finder family tree DNA kit sale

 It's $179 with the coupon.  Shipping and handling is $4.  That = $183.  I
 think I've been saying $6 for shipping and handling.  Oops.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Immigrant Ships

2012-06-11 Thread Cheri Mello
Here's the information on what's contained in the American passport papers
(depending on the time period) and where they can be obtained (again,
depending on the time period). http://goo.gl/GY3ht

Cheri Mello
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Achada

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