[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese

[David Perry]

Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread.  The comments regarding 
the French influence are quite interesting.  I have a number of Sao Miguel 
ancestors from the town of Vila Franca do Campo (I think that's correct) 
which translates to French Camp.  Why would anyone name a town French 
Camp?  By the way, there's a French Camp in CA started in the Gold Rush 
days named for a similar reason.  
 
Also, the comments about educated vs. uneducated folks holds true with my 
family.  At least seven and possibly all eight of my great grandparents 
were illiterate - couldn't sign their name.  Three of my four grandparents 
were the same way.  Without the ability to see what it is they were saying, 
it's no surprise that the spoken word would easily drift away from the 
written word.  Speaking of education, are my illiterate ancestors typical 
of all the islanders?  Are some of the islands more "educated" than 
others?  My ancestors all came from Sao Miguel, mostly the south-central 
part of the island and also the southeastern corner. 
David
   
On Saturday, July 13, 2013 7:43:10 AM UTC-7, Herb wrote:

> Hi David
>  
> I was born in Sao Miguel and still speak Portuguese with the Sao Miguel 
> accent.  It sounds absolutely nothing like Brazilian Portuguese 
> pronunciation. Its like night and day David. In fact many Azoreans 
> have great difficulty understanding a Brazilian speaker.  I delved a bit 
> into all of this when I took some linguistic courses while pursuing my 
> undergarduate degree. I have always been fascinated by languages. Two facts 
> are in evidence.  One concerns the pronunciation of the  Portuguese 
> language as spoken in Sao Miguel where several peculiarities remind the 
> listener of French. The two most striking of these characteristics are the 
> pronunciation depicted by the letter u ( escudo, Furnas) as u in the French 
> tu and the sound depicted in the French dipthongs ou and oi ( ouro, noite 
> as the eu or French peu (foot), roughly the ur of New England, "Burt".  The 
> French sounds in the Michalense ( Sao Miguel) pronunciation could be due to 
> French influnce on parts of the island.  The village known as Bretanha may 
> have been settled by Bretons from Brittanny France, possibly ship wrecked 
> sailors. At the western end of Sao Miguel there is a place called Ginetes, 
> probably so called from a famous breed of jennets for which the island was 
> noted.  The name reminds of the French word jenet " heather" as in the 
> English Royal House of Plantagenet ( ruled 1154-1399).  The so called 
> French u also exists in Corvo and parts of  Madeira. The French u and eu 
> are heard in Continental Portugal specifically in the region known as the 
> Upper Alentejo where the families of many Azoreans originated. Some 
> scholars say that if it had been washed up Breton sailors or fishermen or 
> sailors or pirates at the end of the 16th century they would have Celtic 
> speaking and not French speaking. So maybe in order to confirm or deny the 
> theory of Breton influence we must examine the Celtic phonological system.  
> Having said all that David, there is no concrete evidence that Frenchmen 
> did so settle, much less influence the pronunciation of Michaelense.  The 
> matter of pronumnciation  impinges on that of provenience.  Lingustic 
> evidence  however, strongly suggests that the early setllers of Sao Miguel 
> came from southern Portugal from the Algarve region and from Upper Alentejo 
> and it is the pronunciation  from those regions that influenced 
> Michaelense. Still others hold to the French theory.
>  
> I hope this helps at least partially explain the Portuguese language 
> pronumciation as spoken in Sao Miguel.
>  
>  
> Herb
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2013 4:10:06 PM UTC-4, David Perry wrote:
>
>> I'm starting to learn Portuguese and everything I see and hear doesn't 
>> sound at all like what I remember as a child while listening to my born in 
>> Sao Miguel father talking to his relatives and neighbors, all of whom spoke 
>> only Portuguese.  For instance, I specifically remember very well two 
>> words:  "legs" which my father pronounced pad-nish (doesn't sound at all 
>> like what I see in a dictionary - pernas) and chourico which my father 
>> pronounced shoo-dees.  How different is the Sao Miguel Portuguese from 
>> Lisbon Portuguese?  Are there a few general rules I can follow such as "r's 
>> sound like d's" or "drop the ending vowel" as in the two examples above?
>> David   
>>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese

[MaryAnn Santos]

Thank you, Herb, that very enlightening!

MaryAnn

On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Herb  wrote:

> Hi David
>
> I was born in Sao Miguel and still speak Portuguese with the Sao Miguel
> accent.  It sounds absolutely nothing like Brazilian Portuguese
> pronunciation. Its like night and day David. In fact many Azoreans
> have great difficulty understanding a Brazilian speaker.  I delved a bit
> into all of this when I took some linguistic courses while pursuing my
> undergarduate degree. I have always been fascinated by languages. Two facts
> are in evidence.  One concerns the pronunciation of the  Portuguese
> language as spoken in Sao Miguel where several peculiarities remind the
> listener of French. The two most striking of these characteristics are the
> pronunciation depicted by the letter u ( escudo, Furnas) as u in the French
> tu and the sound depicted in the French dipthongs ou and oi ( ouro, noite
> as the eu or French peu (foot), roughly the ur of New England, "Burt".  The
> French sounds in the Michalense ( Sao Miguel) pronunciation could be due to
> French influnce on parts of the island.  The village known as Bretanha may
> have been settled by Bretons from Brittanny France, possibly ship wrecked
> sailors. At the western end of Sao Miguel there is a place called Ginetes,
> probably so called from a famous breed of jennets for which the island was
> noted.  The name reminds of the French word jenet " heather" as in the
> English Royal House of Plantagenet ( ruled 1154-1399).  The so called
> French u also exists in Corvo and parts of  Madeira. The French u and eu
> are heard in Continental Portugal specifically in the region known as the
> Upper Alentejo where the families of many Azoreans originated. Some
> scholars say that if it had been washed up Breton sailors or fishermen or
> sailors or pirates at the end of the 16th century they would have Celtic
> speaking and not French speaking. So maybe in order to confirm or deny the
> theory of Breton influence we must examine the Celtic phonological system.
> Having said all that David, there is no concrete evidence that Frenchmen
> did so settle, much less influence the pronunciation of Michaelense.  The
> matter of pronumnciation  impinges on that of provenience.  Lingustic
> evidence  however, strongly suggests that the early setllers of Sao Miguel
> came from southern Portugal from the Algarve region and from Upper Alentejo
> and it is the pronunciation  from those regions that influenced
> Michaelense. Still others hold to the French theory.
>
> I hope this helps at least partially explain the Portuguese language
> pronumciation as spoken in Sao Miguel.
>
>
> Herb
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2013 4:10:06 PM UTC-4, David Perry wrote:
>
>> I'm starting to learn Portuguese and everything I see and hear doesn't
>> sound at all like what I remember as a child while listening to my born in
>> Sao Miguel father talking to his relatives and neighbors, all of whom spoke
>> only Portuguese.  For instance, I specifically remember very well two
>> words:  "legs" which my father pronounced pad-nish (doesn't sound at all
>> like what I see in a dictionary - pernas) and chourico which my father
>> pronounced shoo-dees.  How different is the Sao Miguel Portuguese from
>> Lisbon Portuguese?  Are there a few general rules I can follow such as "r's
>> sound like d's" or "drop the ending vowel" as in the two examples above?
>> David
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese

[PatGirard]

I recently spent a day in Sao Miguel on a cruise. I speak very little 
Portuguese, but growing up the Portuguese that I did learn was from my Sao 
Miguel relatives. I hired a tour guide, recommended by George Pacheco, and 
had a fabulous time. The point is: while practicing my Portuguese language 
skills on the tour Rui (the tour guide) said I spoke perfect Sao Miguel, 
pronounced like a native. What a compliment! Had a fabulous visit in Ponta 
Garca and found the house where my grandfather was born and lived.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

[rose . zbyzenski]

My great grandmother died in 1953, when I was 5, said name was Caton. 
Filomema Polycena. Said her parents were from Flores. Her mother was 
pregnant with her, one of 14?. Went to Mass., then Ashland area of Bay Area 
because other family/friends lived there. Somewhere around turn of the 
century, both parents died of possibly influenza. All children given to 
family and or friends. Great Grandma was give to friend of Father's who 
lived in Mission San Jose. Married eventually to Manuel Alvernaz  from 
Pico,changed name to Harvey. I don't know why, maybe sounded more 
"Americanized.I was blessed to have known her. She had 4 children, 2 dying 
in a terrible home fire when stove exploded., and My Grandmother, Helen 
Evelyn Alvernaz Harvey, died in 1970, and Clarence Harvey,died in the late 
1980s.My Portuguese side has connections deeply in Mission San Jose.Family 
names, Caetano, Caton, Garcia, Andrade, and Harvey.Would appreciate any 
info, especially about Ashland years or those in Massachusetts. Also all 
very active in Holy Ghost Festas,Garcia from Castelo Blanco,Fayal.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese

[Eliseu Pacheco]

Hi,
If you want to translate FRANCA, Vila Franca do Campo, the translation would be 
"tax free village"!


Eliseu Pacheco da Silva


No dia 14/07/2013, às 13:56, David Perry  escreveu:

> Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread.  The comments regarding 
> the French influence are quite interesting.  I have a number of Sao Miguel 
> ancestors from the town of Vila Franca do Campo (I think that's correct) 
> which translates to French Camp.  Why would anyone name a town French Camp?  
> By the way, there's a French Camp in CA started in the Gold Rush days named 
> for a similar reason. 
>  
> Also, the comments about educated vs. uneducated folks holds true with my 
> family.  At least seven and possibly all eight of my great grandparents were 
> illiterate - couldn't sign their name.  Three of my four grandparents were 
> the same way.  Without the ability to see what it is they were saying, it's 
> no surprise that the spoken word would easily drift away from the written 
> word.  Speaking of education, are my illiterate ancestors typical of all the 
> islanders?  Are some of the islands more "educated" than others?  My 
> ancestors all came from Sao Miguel, mostly the south-central part of the 
> island and also the southeastern corner. 
> David
>
> On Saturday, July 13, 2013 7:43:10 AM UTC-7, Herb wrote:
>> Hi David
>>  
>> I was born in Sao Miguel and still speak Portuguese with the Sao Miguel 
>> accent.  It sounds absolutely nothing like Brazilian Portuguese 
>> pronunciation. Its like night and day David. In fact many Azoreans have 
>> great difficulty understanding a Brazilian speaker.  I delved a bit into all 
>> of this when I took some linguistic courses while pursuing my undergarduate 
>> degree. I have always been fascinated by languages. Two facts are in 
>> evidence.  One concerns the pronunciation of the  Portuguese language as 
>> spoken in Sao Miguel where several peculiarities remind the listener of 
>> French. The two most striking of these characteristics are the pronunciation 
>> depicted by the letter u ( escudo, Furnas) as u in the French tu and the 
>> sound depicted in the French dipthongs ou and oi ( ouro, noite as the eu or 
>> French peu (foot), roughly the ur of New England, "Burt".  The French sounds 
>> in the Michalense ( Sao Miguel) pronunciation could be due to French 
>> influnce on parts of the island.  The village known as Bretanha may have 
>> been settled by Bretons from Brittanny France, possibly ship wrecked 
>> sailors. At the western end of Sao Miguel there is a place called Ginetes, 
>> probably so called from a famous breed of jennets for which the island was 
>> noted.  The name reminds of the French word jenet " heather" as in the 
>> English Royal House of Plantagenet ( ruled 1154-1399).  The so called French 
>> u also exists in Corvo and parts of  Madeira. The French u and eu are heard 
>> in Continental Portugal specifically in the region known as the Upper 
>> Alentejo where the families of many Azoreans originated. Some scholars say 
>> that if it had been washed up Breton sailors or fishermen or sailors or 
>> pirates at the end of the 16th century they would have Celtic speaking and 
>> not French speaking. So maybe in order to confirm or deny the theory of 
>> Breton influence we must examine the Celtic phonological system.  Having 
>> said all that David, there is no concrete evidence that Frenchmen did so 
>> settle, much less influence the pronunciation of Michaelense.  The matter of 
>> pronumnciation  impinges on that of provenience.  Lingustic evidence  
>> however, strongly suggests that the early setllers of Sao Miguel came from 
>> southern Portugal from the Algarve region and from Upper Alentejo and it is 
>> the pronunciation  from those regions that influenced Michaelense. Still 
>> others hold to the French theory.
>>  
>> I hope this helps at least partially explain the Portuguese language 
>> pronumciation as spoken in Sao Miguel.
>>  
>>  
>> Herb
>> 
>> On Friday, July 12, 2013 4:10:06 PM UTC-4, David Perry wrote:
>>> I'm starting to learn Portuguese and everything I see and hear doesn't 
>>> sound at all like what I remember as a child while listening to my born in 
>>> Sao Miguel father talking to his relatives and neighbors, all of whom spoke 
>>> only Portuguese.  For instance, I specifically remember very well two 
>>> words:  "legs" which my father pronounced pad-nish (doesn't sound at all 
>>> like what I see in a dictionary - pernas) and chourico which my father 
>>> pronounced shoo-dees.  How different is the Sao Miguel Portuguese from 
>>> Lisbon Portuguese?  Are there a few general rules I can follow such as "r's 
>>> sound like d's" or "drop the ending vowel" as in the two examples above?
>>> David  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese

[Isabella Baltar]

I'm Brazilian and so my Portuguese is from Brazil, where I lived most of my 
life. Brazil is almost as big as US, having several different accents as we 
have here in US if you go from N to S or E to W. 

I have been to Portugal and to Azores (Terceira) and I never had a problem 
communicating with anyone. I traveled alone so I had to really speak to 
everybody in restaurants, churches, libraries, taxi drivers, everybody 
understand my Portuguese as I did understand them. It was never a problem 
at all. 

Brazilian Portuguese is for Portugal Portuguese as American English is for 
English from UK, except for regional accents. That is what I experienced 
while being there for about one month and a half. 

Isabella

On Friday, July 12, 2013 4:10:06 PM UTC-4, David Perry wrote:
>
> I'm starting to learn Portuguese and everything I see and hear doesn't 
> sound at all like what I remember as a child while listening to my born in 
> Sao Miguel father talking to his relatives and neighbors, all of whom spoke 
> only Portuguese.  For instance, I specifically remember very well two 
> words:  "legs" which my father pronounced pad-nish (doesn't sound at all 
> like what I see in a dictionary - pernas) and chourico which my father 
> pronounced shoo-dees.  How different is the Sao Miguel Portuguese from 
> Lisbon Portuguese?  Are there a few general rules I can follow such as "r's 
> sound like d's" or "drop the ending vowel" as in the two examples above?
> David   
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese

[pico]

About education, I think you will notice what I have noticed - it depends on the family wealth.That is at least until schooling became more enforced in the latter 1800s.   Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Portuguese
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Also, the comments about educated vs. uneducated folks holds true with my family.  At least seven and possibly all eight of my great grandparents were illiterate - couldn't sign their name.  Three of my four grandparents were the same way.  Without the ability to see what it is they were saying, it's no surprise that the spoken word would easily drift away from the written word.  Speaking of education, are my illiterate ancestors typical of all the islanders?  Are some of the islands more "educated" than others?   





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

["E" Sharp]

OK.  A start.  Here they are in the 1910 census
Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA

Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children born
2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer
wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA
ch:  Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA
  Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA


I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road, Washington
Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA:
Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909
wife:  Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores
ch:  Helen 14 b. CA

Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census.  Should be
able to find her birth record somewhere.

Elaine

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese

[John Vasconcelos]

*Isabella,
*
*For the most part, I agree with most of what you said. I now can
understand just about any Portuguese speaking person so much so that when I
hear someone speaking on the radio, I sometimes have to think "is that a
Brazilian or an Azorean?"  But it took time. It  WAS a problem initially.
*
*John Vasconcelos*


On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Isabella Baltar  wrote:

> I'm Brazilian and so my Portuguese is from Brazil, where I lived most of
> my life. Brazil is almost as big as US, having several different accents as
> we have here in US if you go from N to S or E to W.
>
> I have been to Portugal and to Azores (Terceira) and I never had a problem
> communicating with anyone. I traveled alone so I had to really speak to
> everybody in restaurants, churches, libraries, taxi drivers, everybody
> understand my Portuguese as I did understand them. It was never a problem
> at all.
>
> Brazilian Portuguese is for Portugal Portuguese as American English is for
> English from UK, except for regional accents. That is what I experienced
> while being there for about one month and a half.
>
> Isabella
>
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2013 4:10:06 PM UTC-4, David Perry wrote:
>
>> I'm starting to learn Portuguese and everything I see and hear doesn't
>> sound at all like what I remember as a child while listening to my born in
>> Sao Miguel father talking to his relatives and neighbors, all of whom spoke
>> only Portuguese.  For instance, I specifically remember very well two
>> words:  "legs" which my father pronounced pad-nish (doesn't sound at all
>> like what I see in a dictionary - pernas) and chourico which my father
>> pronounced shoo-dees.  How different is the Sao Miguel Portuguese from
>> Lisbon Portuguese?  Are there a few general rules I can follow such as "r's
>> sound like d's" or "drop the ending vowel" as in the two examples above?
>> David
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Matos in Praia do Norte, Faial

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Nell,

Does anyone have Angelica Francisca da Silveira (Matos) born in Praia do
Norte, Faial in 1898 in their line? She was my grandmother, and i'm
interested if anyone knows from what part of the world her ancestors were
from. She and her sister were both large, big-boned women, fair-haired and
skin, and blue-eyed. I am aware the Azores were populated by the Flemish
but wonder if anyone has more info.

Nell
researching Praia do Norte, Fayal

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

["E" Sharp]

I believe this is Filomena's birth record:

No first name given  Caton female b. 2/20/1890 Provincetown MA
father:  Manuel Caton fisherman b. Pico Azores
mother:  Philomena (nee Constance) b. Faial, Azores
What do you think?

These parents also had these children:

Unnamed Female Caton b. 12/25/1872 Provincetown, MA
father Manuel Caton born Peak???(that is how Pico is pronounced) Pico,
mariner
mother Philomena Caton b. Faial, Azores

This might one of theirs but mother's name is given as Mary
John Francis Caton b. Nov 30, 1873 Provincetown parents Manuel and Mary??
Caton both b. Western Islands. Father is mariner. (I think mother's name is
incorrect on record)

Jennie Caton b. Feb. 13, 1881, Provincetown, MA parents Manuel and
Philomena Caton.  He born Pico, she born Faial.

Carrie Caton b. Mar. 18, 1885, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and Fermana??
Caton.  He born Pico, she b. Faial (I think mother's name is incorrect on
record).

Oren Lewis Caton b. April 24,1887, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and
Philomena Caton.  He born Pico, she born Faial

I will do more checking for other children but I need to know if these are
the right parents as their are other Caton parents in Provincetown.

"E"







On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> OK.  A start.  Here they are in the 1910 census
> Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA
>
> Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children
> born 2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer
> wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA
> ch:  Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA
>   Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA
>
>
> I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road,
> Washington Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA:
> Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909
> wife:  Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores
> ch:  Helen 14 b. CA
>
> Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census.  Should be
> able to find her birth record somewhere.
>
> Elaine
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

[Shirley Allegre]

Food for thought.  I was born and raised in Washington TOWNSHIP.  There are 
several towns in Washington Township.  I believe they were:  Decoto, Alvarado, 
Niles, Centerville (the center of Washington Township), Mission San Jose, 
Irvington, Newark, AND I think Milpitas.  

Sam:  Was Milpitas in Washington Township?

Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: "E" Sharp 
  To: azores 
  Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 2:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area 
from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.


  OK.  A start.  Here they are in the 1910 census
  Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA

  Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children born 2 
children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer
  wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA
  ch:  Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA
Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA
 

  I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road, Washington 
Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA:
  Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909
  wife:  Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores
  ch:  Helen 14 b. CA

  Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census.  Should be able 
to find her birth record somewhere.

  Elaine



   

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

["E" Sharp]

You can see a lot more here including marriages.

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Acaton~%20%2Brecord_country%3A%22United%20States%22%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22provincetown%2C%20massachusetts%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1870-1900~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3AManuel~%20%2Bfather_surname%3ACaton~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3AFilomena~

If it does not work, go to
www.familysearch.org
Click on Search
In Names put just surname -  Caton
In Country put in United States
Birthplace put in Provincetown, Massachusetts (as this seems to be where
the children were born)
Year Range - 1865-1905
Parents:  Father: Manuel Caton  Mother:  Philomena (do not check match all
terms)
then click SEARCH

Records show Manuel came to US 1860 and Filomena in 1863.  So far I have
not found their marriage record. Now searching for ship's records.

"E"




On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:10 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> I believe this is Filomena's birth record:
>
> No first name given  Caton female b. 2/20/1890 Provincetown MA
> father:  Manuel Caton fisherman b. Pico Azores
> mother:  Philomena (nee Constance) b. Faial, Azores
> What do you think?
>
> These parents also had these children:
>
> Unnamed Female Caton b. 12/25/1872 Provincetown, MA
> father Manuel Caton born Peak???(that is how Pico is pronounced) Pico,
> mariner
> mother Philomena Caton b. Faial, Azores
>
> This might one of theirs but mother's name is given as Mary
> John Francis Caton b. Nov 30, 1873 Provincetown parents Manuel and Mary??
> Caton both b. Western Islands. Father is mariner. (I think mother's name is
> incorrect on record)
>
> Jennie Caton b. Feb. 13, 1881, Provincetown, MA parents Manuel and
> Philomena Caton.  He born Pico, she born Faial.
>
> Carrie Caton b. Mar. 18, 1885, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and
> Fermana?? Caton.  He born Pico, she b. Faial (I think mother's name is
> incorrect on record).
>
> Oren Lewis Caton b. April 24,1887, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and
> Philomena Caton.  He born Pico, she born Faial
>
> I will do more checking for other children but I need to know if these are
> the right parents as their are other Caton parents in Provincetown.
>
> "E"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
>> OK.  A start.  Here they are in the 1910 census
>> Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA
>>
>> Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children
>> born 2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer
>> wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA
>> ch:  Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA
>>   Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA
>>
>>
>> I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road,
>> Washington Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA:
>> Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909
>> wife:  Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores
>> ch:  Helen 14 b. CA
>>
>> Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census.  Should be
>> able to find her birth record somewhere.
>>
>> Elaine
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

[Sam Koester]

No, I don't believe Milpitas was in Washington Township but; I'm pretty sure
Warm Springs was.

 

Sam in Calif.

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Shirley Allegre
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:20 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area
from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

 

Food for thought.  I was born and raised in Washington TOWNSHIP.  There are
several towns in Washington Township.  I believe they were:  Decoto,
Alvarado, Niles, Centerville (the center of Washington Township), Mission
San Jose, Irvington, Newark, AND I think Milpitas.  

 

Sam:  Was Milpitas in Washington Township?

 

Shirley in CA

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From:   "E" Sharp 

To: azores   

Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 2:23 PM

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area
from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

 

OK.  A start.  Here they are in the 1910 census

Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA

 

Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children born
2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer

wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA

ch:  Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA

  Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA

   

 

I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road, Washington
Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA:

Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909

wife:  Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores

ch:  Helen 14 b. CA

 

Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census.  Should be
able to find her birth record somewhere.

 

Elaine

 




 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

[Shirley Allegre]

Okay thanks.  Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sam Koester 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:44 PM
  Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area 
from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.


  No, I don't believe Milpitas was in Washington Township but; I'm pretty sure 
Warm Springs was.

   

  Sam in Calif.

   

  From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shirley Allegre
  Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:20 PM
  To: azores@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area 
from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

   

  Food for thought.  I was born and raised in Washington TOWNSHIP.  There are 
several towns in Washington Township.  I believe they were:  Decoto, Alvarado, 
Niles, Centerville (the center of Washington Township), Mission San Jose, 
Irvington, Newark, AND I think Milpitas.  

   

  Sam:  Was Milpitas in Washington Township?

   

  Shirley in CA

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From: "E" Sharp 

To: azores 

Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 2:23 PM

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area 
from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

 

OK.  A start.  Here they are in the 1910 census

Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA

 

Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children born 
2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer

wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA

ch:  Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA

  Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA

   

 

I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road, Washington 
Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA:

Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909

wife:  Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores

ch:  Helen 14 b. CA

 

Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census.  Should be 
able to find her birth record somewhere.

 

Elaine

 



 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

["E" Sharp]

1880 US Census
Name: Manuel Caton Event Type: Census Event Date: 1880 Event
Place:Provincetown, Barnstable, Massachusetts, United States
Gender: Male Age: 38 Marital Status: Married Occupation: Sailor Race
(Original): W Ethnicity: American Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birthplace: Azores Birth Date: 1842 Spouse's Name: Pheama Caton Spouse's
Birthplace: Azores Father's Name: Father's Birthplace: Azores Mother's
Name: Mother's
Birthplace: Azores Page: 280 Page Letter: B Entry Number: 81 Affiliate Film
Number: T9-0520 GS Film
number:1254520
Digital
Folder 
Number:004241686
Image
Number: 00044  HouseholdGenderAgeBirthplace Self Manuel Caton M38 Azores  Wife
Pheama Caton  F31
Azores  Daughter
Mary Caton 
F15Massachusetts, United States  Son
Manuel Caton 
M10Massachusetts, United States  Son
Joseph Caton 
M3Massachusetts, United States  Other
Manuel Enos  (boarder)
M22

Azores

"E"


On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:37 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> You can see a lot more here including marriages.
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Acaton~%20%2Brecord_country%3A%22United%20States%22%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22provincetown%2C%20massachusetts%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1870-1900~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3AManuel~%20%2Bfather_surname%3ACaton~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3AFilomena~
>
> If it does not work, go to
> www.familysearch.org
> Click on Search
> In Names put just surname -  Caton
> In Country put in United States
> Birthplace put in Provincetown, Massachusetts (as this seems to be where
> the children were born)
> Year Range - 1865-1905
> Parents:  Father: Manuel Caton  Mother:  Philomena (do not check match all
> terms)
> then click SEARCH
>
> Records show Manuel came to US 1860 and Filomena in 1863.  So far I have
> not found their marriage record. Now searching for ship's records.
>
> "E"
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:10 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
>> I believe this is Filomena's birth record:
>>
>> No first name given  Caton female b. 2/20/1890 Provincetown MA
>> father:  Manuel Caton fisherman b. Pico Azores
>> mother:  Philomena (nee Constance) b. Faial, Azores
>> What do you think?
>>
>> These parents also had these children:
>>
>> Unnamed Female Caton b. 12/25/1872 Provincetown, MA
>> father Manuel Caton born Peak???(that is how Pico is pronounced) Pico,
>> mariner
>> mother Philomena Caton b. Faial, Azores
>>
>> This might one of theirs but mother's name is given as Mary
>> John Francis Caton b. Nov 30, 1873 Provincetown parents Manuel and Mary??
>> Caton both b. Western Islands. Father is mariner. (I think mother's name is
>> incorrect on record)
>>
>> Jennie Caton b. Feb. 13, 1881, Provincetown, MA parents Manuel and
>> Philomena Caton.  He born Pico, she born Faial.
>>
>> Carrie Caton b. Mar. 18, 1885, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and
>> Fermana?? Caton.  He born Pico, she b. Faial (I think mother's name is
>> incorrect on record).
>>
>> Oren Lewis Caton b. April 24,1887, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and
>> Philomena Caton.  He born Pico, she born Faial
>>
>> I will do more checking for other children but I need to know if these
>> are the right parents as their are other Caton parents in Provincetown.
>>
>> "E"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>>
>>> OK.  A start.  Here they are in the 1910 census
>>> Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA
>>>
>>> Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children
>>> born 2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer
>>> wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA
>>> ch:  Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA
>>>   Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA
>>>
>>>
>>> I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road,
>>> Washington Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA:
>>> Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909
>>> wife:  Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores
>>> ch:  Helen 14 b. CA
>>>
>>> Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census.  Should be
>>> able to find her birth record somewhere.
>>>
>>> Elaine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

["E" Sharp]

Sorry for numerous emails...but search is not so easy. Sure hope this is
them???   This is it for while till I know I have the right
family.."E"

Name:Manuel CatonEvent Type:Marriage Birth Date:abt 1840Marriage Date:19
Jan 1865Marriage Place:Provincetown, MassachusettsMarriage Age:25Father
Name:Frank CatonSpouse Name:Felimenia Constantina (or Constancia??)Spouse
Marriage Age:18Spouse Father Name:Manuel ConstantinaSpouse Mother Name:

Mary Louisa






On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:48 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> 1880 US Census
> Name: Manuel Caton  Event Type: Census Event Date: 1880  Event 
> Place:Provincetown, Barnstable, Massachusetts, United States Gender:Male
> Age: 38  Marital Status: Married Occupation: Sailor  Race (Original): W
> Ethnicity: American  Relationship to Head of Household: Self Birthplace: 
> Azores
> Birth Date: 1842  Spouse's Name: Pheama Caton Spouse's Birthplace: Azores 
> Father's
> Name: Father's Birthplace: Azores Mother's Name: Mother's Birthplace: Azores
> Page: 280  Page Letter: B Entry Number: 81  Affiliate Film Number:T9-0520 GS
> Film number: 
> 1254520
>  Digital Folder Number:
> 004241686
>   Image
> Number: 00044  HouseholdGenderAgeBirthplace Self Manuel Caton M38 Azores  Wife
> Pheama Caton  F31 Azores  
> Daughter
> Mary Caton  F15Massachusetts, 
> United States  Son Manuel
> Caton  M10 Massachusetts,
> United States  Son Joseph 
> Caton
> M3 Massachusetts, United States   Other Manuel 
> Enos (boarder)
> M22
>
> Azores
>
> "E"
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:37 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
>> You can see a lot more here including marriages.
>>
>>
>> https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Acaton~%20%2Brecord_country%3A%22United%20States%22%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22provincetown%2C%20massachusetts%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1870-1900~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3AManuel~%20%2Bfather_surname%3ACaton~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3AFilomena~
>>
>> If it does not work, go to
>> www.familysearch.org
>> Click on Search
>> In Names put just surname -  Caton
>> In Country put in United States
>> Birthplace put in Provincetown, Massachusetts (as this seems to be where
>> the children were born)
>> Year Range - 1865-1905
>> Parents:  Father: Manuel Caton  Mother:  Philomena (do not check match
>> all terms)
>> then click SEARCH
>>
>> Records show Manuel came to US 1860 and Filomena in 1863.  So far I have
>> not found their marriage record. Now searching for ship's records.
>>
>> "E"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:10 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>>
>>> I believe this is Filomena's birth record:
>>>
>>> No first name given  Caton female b. 2/20/1890 Provincetown MA
>>> father:  Manuel Caton fisherman b. Pico Azores
>>> mother:  Philomena (nee Constance) b. Faial, Azores
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> These parents also had these children:
>>>
>>> Unnamed Female Caton b. 12/25/1872 Provincetown, MA
>>> father Manuel Caton born Peak???(that is how Pico is pronounced) Pico,
>>> mariner
>>> mother Philomena Caton b. Faial, Azores
>>>
>>> This might one of theirs but mother's name is given as Mary
>>> John Francis Caton b. Nov 30, 1873 Provincetown parents Manuel and
>>> Mary?? Caton both b. Western Islands. Father is mariner. (I think mother's
>>> name is incorrect on record)
>>>
>>> Jennie Caton b. Feb. 13, 1881, Provincetown, MA parents Manuel and
>>> Philomena Caton.  He born Pico, she born Faial.
>>>
>>> Carrie Caton b. Mar. 18, 1885, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and
>>> Fermana?? Caton.  He born Pico, she b. Faial (I think mother's name is
>>> incorrect on record).
>>>
>>> Oren Lewis Caton b. April 24,1887, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and
>>> Philomena Caton.  He born Pico, she born Faial
>>>
>>> I will do more checking for other children but I need to know if these
>>> are the right parents as their are other Caton parents in Provincetown.
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>>>
 OK.  A start.  Here they are in the 1910 census
 Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA

 Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children
 born 2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer
 wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA
 ch:  Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA
   Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA


 I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road,
 Washington Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA:
 Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909
 wife:  Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores
 ch:  Helen 14 b. CA

>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

[Tish M]

Shirley,
I don't know if you are interested but there is a free ebook on the
internet on the History of Washington Township you might be interested in
viewing.

History of Washington Township, Alameda County, California
...

Tish
On Sunday, July 14, 2013, Shirley Allegre wrote:

> **
> Food for thought.  I was born and raised in Washington TOWNSHIP.  There
> are several towns in Washington Township.  I believe they were:  Decoto,
> Alvarado, Niles, Centerville (the center of Washington Township), Mission
> San Jose, Irvington, Newark, AND I think Milpitas.
>
> Sam:  Was Milpitas in Washington Township?
>
> Shirley in CA
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* "E" Sharp 
> *To:* azores 
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2013 2:23 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay
> area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.
>
>  OK.  A start.  Here they are in the 1910 census
> Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA
>
> Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children
> born 2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer
> wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA
> ch:  Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA
>   Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA
>
>
> I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road,
> Washington Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA:
> Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909
> wife:  Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores
> ch:  Helen 14 b. CA
>
> Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census.  Should be
> able to find her birth record somewhere.
>
> Elaine
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

["E" Sharp]

One more before turning in:

*Name:* Manuel Francis Caton
*Birth:* 26 Dec 1839 in Pico, Azores
*Death:* 24 Feb 1918 in Provincetown, Massachusetts

Provincetown Advocate, 28 Feb 1918
Manuel Francis Caton died Sunday February 24th at his Bangs' street home,
aged 78 years, 1 month and 29 days. He was born on the island of Pico,
Azores, came to Provincetown at the age of 16 years and lived here
thereafter. He married here Jan. 19, 1865, Philomena Constantino, who, with
two daughters and one son survives him. Mr. Caton was occupied at fishing
work until a comparatively recent date, since which time he was occupied in
garden work and posing as an artist's model. He leaves a good record for
industry.



On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 4:04 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Sorry for numerous emails...but search is not so easy. Sure hope this is
> them???   This is it for while till I know I have the right
> family.."E"
>
> Name:Manuel Caton Event Type:Marriage Birth Date:abt 1840Marriage Date:19
> Jan 1865Marriage Place:Provincetown, Massachusetts Marriage Age:25Father
> Name:Frank CatonSpouse Name:Felimenia Constantina (or Constancia??)Spouse
> Marriage Age: 18Spouse Father Name:Manuel ConstantinaSpouse Mother Name:
>
> Mary Louisa
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:48 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
>> 1880 US Census
>>  Name: Manuel Caton  Event Type: Census Event Date: 1880  Event 
>> Place:Provincetown, Barnstable, Massachusetts, United States Gender:Male
>> Age: 38  Marital Status: Married Occupation: Sailor  Race (Original): W
>> Ethnicity: American  Relationship to Head of Household: Self Birthplace: 
>> Azores
>> Birth Date: 1842  Spouse's Name: Pheama Caton Spouse's Birthplace: Azores
>> Father's Name: Father's Birthplace: Azores Mother's Name: Mother's
>> Birthplace: Azores Page: 280  Page Letter: B Entry Number: 81  Affiliate
>> Film Number: T9-0520 GS Film number: 
>> 1254520
>>  Digital Folder Number:
>> 004241686
>>   Image
>> Number: 00044  HouseholdGenderAge Birthplace Self Manuel Caton M38 Azores
>>  Wife Pheama Caton  
>> F31Azores  Daughter
>> Mary Caton  F15 
>> Massachusetts,
>> United States   Son Manuel 
>> Caton M
>> 10 Massachusetts, United States  Son Joseph 
>> Caton
>> M3 Massachusetts, United States   Other Manuel 
>> Enos (boarder)
>> M22
>>
>> Azores
>>
>> "E"
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:37 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>>
>>> You can see a lot more here including marriages.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Acaton~%20%2Brecord_country%3A%22United%20States%22%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22provincetown%2C%20massachusetts%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1870-1900~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3AManuel~%20%2Bfather_surname%3ACaton~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3AFilomena~
>>>
>>> If it does not work, go to
>>> www.familysearch.org
>>> Click on Search
>>> In Names put just surname -  Caton
>>> In Country put in United States
>>> Birthplace put in Provincetown, Massachusetts (as this seems to be where
>>> the children were born)
>>> Year Range - 1865-1905
>>> Parents:  Father: Manuel Caton  Mother:  Philomena (do not check match
>>> all terms)
>>> then click SEARCH
>>>
>>> Records show Manuel came to US 1860 and Filomena in 1863.  So far I have
>>> not found their marriage record. Now searching for ship's records.
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:10 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>>>
 I believe this is Filomena's birth record:

 No first name given  Caton female b. 2/20/1890 Provincetown MA
 father:  Manuel Caton fisherman b. Pico Azores
 mother:  Philomena (nee Constance) b. Faial, Azores
 What do you think?

 These parents also had these children:

 Unnamed Female Caton b. 12/25/1872 Provincetown, MA
 father Manuel Caton born Peak???(that is how Pico is pronounced) Pico,
 mariner
 mother Philomena Caton b. Faial, Azores

 This might one of theirs but mother's name is given as Mary
 John Francis Caton b. Nov 30, 1873 Provincetown parents Manuel and
 Mary?? Caton both b. Western Islands. Father is mariner. (I think mother's
 name is incorrect on record)

 Jennie Caton b. Feb. 13, 1881, Provincetown, MA parents Manuel and
 Philomena Caton.  He born Pico, she born Faial.

 Carrie Caton b. Mar. 18, 1885, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and
 Fermana?? Caton.  He born Pico, she b. Faial (I think mother's name is
 incorrect on record).

 Oren Lewis Caton b. April 24,1887, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and
 Philomena Caton.  He born Pico, she bor

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.

[Susan Vargas Murphy]

Hello Rose,
Your name is familiar to me:) My family came from the Warm Springs area and 
I just recognize your name.I think my aunt Anita Maciel DeValle 
mentioned you to me when we were talking about Mission San Jose 
peopleshe is deceased now. I grew up in Centerville but went to St Mary 
of the Palms in Mission San Jose. I feel like you were connected to the MSJ 
festas.Do you know Velma Valencia?  She is not so well now, but she 
collected a lot of information on the MSJ Holy Ghosts.I feel like I saw 
your name in her hand made book?  Also Harvey.I remember there was an 
Adeline Harvey that was a hairdresser in MSJ or Irvington?  My parents were 
Isabel Maciel Vargas and Ernest Vargas.lived in Centerville after WWII. 
My mom worked for Dr. Grimmer, Dr. McMahon and also Dr. Romito at various 
times as a receptionist. My mom was also very active in 
organizationsSPRSI, YLI, etc.  Does any of this ring a bell?  Just 
thought I would say hello...I have lived in Sacramento for the last 
almost 50 years...so been away from Fremont.  If you want to chat you can 
email me at uberlin...@aol.com

Susan Vargas Murphy

On Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:17:29 PM UTC-7, rose.zb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> My great grandmother died in 1953, when I was 5, said name was Caton. 
> Filomema Polycena. Said her parents were from Flores. Her mother was 
> pregnant with her, one of 14?. Went to Mass., then Ashland area of Bay Area 
> because other family/friends lived there. Somewhere around turn of the 
> century, both parents died of possibly influenza. All children given to 
> family and or friends. Great Grandma was give to friend of Father's who 
> lived in Mission San Jose. Married eventually to Manuel Alvernaz  from 
> Pico,changed name to Harvey. I don't know why, maybe sounded more 
> "Americanized.I was blessed to have known her. She had 4 children, 2 dying 
> in a terrible home fire when stove exploded., and My Grandmother, Helen 
> Evelyn Alvernaz Harvey, died in 1970, and Clarence Harvey,died in the late 
> 1980s.My Portuguese side has connections deeply in Mission San Jose.Family 
> names, Caetano, Caton, Garcia, Andrade, and Harvey.Would appreciate any 
> info, especially about Ashland years or those in Massachusetts. Also all 
> very active in Holy Ghost Festas,Garcia from Castelo Blanco,Fayal.

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