RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bishop Myron Cotta

[pico]

Sort of, Helen.Before Doze Ribeiras changed from just an ermida to a freguesia, it was part of Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras, as you probably know. Mine are from Santa Barbara.I was wondering why you asked, so I noticed one of your husband's Cota lines and I can't yet prove we are related by that one, but suspect our common ancestors from that line are Baltazar Goncalves and Maria Cota in the middle 1500s.But I see we do have common Cota ancestors from Catarina Cota and husband Pedro Lucas from the middle 1600s. I don't remember whether I ever mentioned that before. That appears to be about the closest of our links.Did you ever get him to do a Family Finder DNA test? That would be interesting to see if our match also shows we have matching DNA, as well.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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 Doug,  Are your Cotta's from Doze Ribeiras? Helen   -Original Message- From: terceira  To: azores  Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:46 pm Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bishop Myron CottaI just read in the latest issue of O Progresso (by the Portuguese Historical Society of Sacramento) about the new Bishop Myron Cotta.   Any chance that someone knows about his link to the Azores? It says his grandparents were immigrants and I assume they were from Terceira, since that's where most named Cotta are from (now spelled as Cota).   I would like to find my own link to his family, since I have lots of Cota ancestors from Terceira.   Obrigado,Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 Website: www.dholmes.com  





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal

[Cheri Mello]

Erica B got it right.

Naturaes means natives of.  So the parents are from there as well.

You don't need to be able read. I call it "read."  It's more like bumble
your way through.  Many of us do this.

There's some information on "reading" the records here on the Azores
GenWeb: http://goo.gl/5Mb9GQ
Good luck,
Cheri Mello
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal

[Erica Botelho]

Tanya,

I am happy to help, but may have over sold my abilities. I am not able to
translate records word for word, but have learned to glean certain
information from them. Maybe one of the more talented members will fill in
the blanks for you. Here is what I read:

Manoel, legitimate son of Henrique Jose Rapoza and Geronima Maria "naturaz"
Nossa Senhora das Candeias of Candelaria.

Paternal grandparents Thome' Rapoza de Amaral and Marianna de Jesus

Maternal grandparents Manoel Moreira and Anna Theresa

Born 15 and baptized 24 September 1826

Padrinhos Manoel de Freitas and his wife Joaquina Eufrazia.

 

I am not sure of the exact translation of "Naturaz". I think it is similar
to "originally from" but hopefully someone else will add on to this.

Padrinhos are godparents. 

 On many of the baptismal records, if someone named is deceased at the time
of the record, the priest will write "defunta". I did not see that in this
record. It could mean that all the grandparents were still alive at this
time, or it could be that the priest didn't record it.  I add this little
bit because I found many family records before I learned this and had to go
back and re-read all of them.

 

Your welcome,

Erica B.

 

 

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose
Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal

 

How wonderful.  Cheri told me to post that and I may have feedback.  I
didn't expect the record so fast.  This is the first find for me I am so
excited.  Could you please translate for me.  I can only make out a couple
of names but I don't know what the extra word would mean.

Thanks so much!

Tanya 

 

On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Erica Botelho
 wrote:

Tanya,

Here is the link to Manuel's birth record:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-182
1-1851/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1821-1851_item1/P28.html

His entry is #150 on the left side.  It includes his grandparents' names
also.  If you need help translating, let me know.

Erica B.

 

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo
de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal

 

Aloha,

I will be traveling to Sao Miguel this June for the first time.  I have a
couple of ancestor names that migrated to Hawaii in 1883 via the SS Bell
Rock from Sao Miguel to Hawaii. My GG Grandfather, Manoel Rapozo de Amaral
came with his father, uncle and several siblings. I am hoping to connect
more with the villages of my ancestors and perhaps records for deeper links
to other family members.  I do not have any other information on my GGG
Grandfather, Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral or his spouse.  

Any Help or links on any of these names or villages would be greatly
appreciated.




My Mothers paternal side:


Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral  - Portugal
Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal

Children:
Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI 
SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI

Thank you,

Tanya Smith

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal

[Tanya Smith]

How wonderful.  Cheri told me to post that and I may have feedback.  I
didn't expect the record so fast.  This is the first find for me I am so
excited.  Could you please translate for me.  I can only make out a couple
of names but I don't know what the extra word would mean.

Thanks so much!

Tanya


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Erica Botelho <
audiosource...@qwestoffice.net> wrote:

> Tanya,
>
> Here is the link to Manuel's birth record:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1821-1851/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1821-1851_item1/P28.html
>
> His entry is #150 on the left side.  It includes his grandparents' names
> also.  If you need help translating, let me know.
>
> Erica B.
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *tanya808smith
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 01, 2014 4:19 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose
> Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal
>
>
>
> Aloha,
>
> I will be traveling to Sao Miguel this June for the first time.  I have a
> couple of ancestor names that migrated to Hawaii in 1883 via the SS Bell
> Rock from Sao Miguel to Hawaii. My GG Grandfather, Manoel Rapozo de Amaral
> came with his father, uncle and several siblings. I am hoping to connect
> more with the villages of my ancestors and perhaps records for deeper links
> to other family members.  I do not have any other information on my GGG
> Grandfather, Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral or his spouse.
>
> Any Help or links on any of these names or villages would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
>
>
>
> My Mothers paternal side:
>
>
> Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral  - Portugal
> Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal
>
> Children:
> Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI
> SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI
>
> Thank you,
>
> Tanya Smith
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bishop Myron Cotta

[hisalv]

Doug, 
Are your Cotta's from Doze Ribeiras?
Helen


-Original Message-
From: terceira 
To: azores 
Sent: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 10:46 pm
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bishop Myron Cotta



I just read in the latest issue of O Progresso (by the Portuguese Historical 
Society of Sacramento) about the new Bishop Myron Cotta.


Any chance that someone knows about his link to the Azores? It says his 
grandparents were immigrants and I assume they were from Terceira, since that's 
where most named Cotta are from (now spelled as Cota).


I would like to find my own link to his family, since I have lots of Cota 
ancestors from Terceira.


Obrigado,



Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
Website: www.dholmes.com


 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Herb]

Ricardo while I understand your concerns, we are not trying to boil the ocean 
or cure world hunger here. We are simply trying to share our experiences and 
hopes with each other to learn what we can about our ancestors. It really is 
that simple. That's it. Herb

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with translation

[Dano]

Father is Ignacio Pimentel Mother is Maria Pacheca.

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:42:52 PM UTC-4, smart...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I can't seem to figure out the name of Antonio Pacheco's father. I see 
> last name as Pementel.  Entry is on left hand side of page.
>  
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1756-1800/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1756-1800_item1/P153.html
>  
> Thank you for your help.
> Sheri
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal

[Erica Botelho]

Tanya,

Here is the link to Manuel’s birth record:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1821-1851/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1821-1851_item1/P28.html

His entry is #150 on the left side.  It includes his grandparents’ names also.  
If you need help translating, let me know.

Erica B.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 4:19 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de 
Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal

 

Aloha,

I will be traveling to Sao Miguel this June for the first time.  I have a 
couple of ancestor names that migrated to Hawaii in 1883 via the SS Bell Rock 
from Sao Miguel to Hawaii. My GG Grandfather, Manoel Rapozo de Amaral came with 
his father, uncle and several siblings. I am hoping to connect more with the 
villages of my ancestors and perhaps records for deeper links to other family 
members.  I do not have any other information on my GGG Grandfather, Henrique 
Jose Rapozo de Amaral or his spouse.  

Any Help or links on any of these names or villages would be greatly 
appreciated.




My Mothers paternal side:


Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral  - Portugal
Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal

Children:
Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI 
SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI

Thank you,

Tanya Smith

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation

[Margaret Vicente]

Sheri, it is Ignacio de Pimentel.




On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:42 PM,  wrote:

> I can't seem to figure out the name of Antonio Pacheco's father. I see
> last name as Pementel.  Entry is on left hand side of page.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1756-1800/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1756-1800_item1/P153.html
>
> Thank you for your help.
> Sheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Still Looking for.Joseph Silva, Born 1830, I believe Flores. Went to boston, then came to Australia in 1855.

[Ricardo Chaves]

Lyn,

I found these records in Flores. I don't know if you can read them but
there is one very  very close of what you wrote. The only question is if
read somewhere he was actually "Filho de pais não sabidos" then none of
these will serve you, but if that's not the case and you simply don't know
his parents name, and he is Silveira, then there was a very close one.
Around the dates you wrote these are the closest "Josephs" I found.

STA CRUZ

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P47.html

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P57.html

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-CEDROS-B-1797-1833/FLR-SC-CEDROS-B-1797-1833_item1/P107.html

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860_item1/P18.html

JOSE 03 JAN 1830

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860_item1/P19.html

*JOSE DA SILVEIRA 1830*
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860_item1/P20.html

JOSE DA SILVEIRA 1829
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1825-1839/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1825-1839_item1/P57.html



Take care!




On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 8:53 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> Lyn,
>
> I've worked on many Azores to Australia and New Zealand families.
>
> I agree with Cheri on this. Joseph doesn't know who his parents were, so
> there is no family to pursue in Flores.
>
>  Santa Cruz and Lajes are the two concelhos of Flores, meaning he could be
> born anywhere on the island.
>
> Going on a needle in a haystack search for a baptism record with no more
> information than you already have can't help.
>
> Jose Silveira is one of the most common male names in the Azores, so it
> would be difficult to determine when you had the right person.
>
> I'd think it would be better to work through the Trove site to find more
> news articles that establish his life in Australia.
>
> http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:02 AM, Ricardo Chaves  wrote:
>
>> Lyn, what is Jose's last name, I realized you don't know his parents
>> names and that's what your looking for.
>>
>> Is it SILVA or SILVEIRA? Silvaria could be a name but I believe is a
>> misspell. A very common name in Central Group and Western Group is
>> SILVEIRA, and of course Silva.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Ricardo Chaves wrote:
>>
>>> What are his parents names? I'll give a try.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
 Lyn S/B,

 If your ancestor stated on his own marriage certificate that his
 parents were unknown, then he was one of those babies that was given up at
 the church roda.  If you think he was born in Santa Cruz or Lajes on
 Flores, you can look in those 2 freguesias for a baby Jose born to pais
 incognitos on 1 Jan 1830.

 I'm always suspicious of the January 1st date.  Too convenient.  But
 you can look, nevertheless.


>
>   Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
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>>>
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>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal

[Cheri Mello]

Tanya S,

The 3 things in genealogy are a name, a date, and a place.  You have all 3.

Manoel, b. 1826 in Candalaria to Henrique Jose Raposo de Amaral & Geronima
Maria.  Navigate the CCA site to Candalaria, then to 1826 and start
checking out all the Manuels.


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[AZORES-Genealogy] SYLVIA from Graciosa

[Ken Waters]

Hi,

I will be attending the Azores research conference week after next in Salt
Lake City and am certainly looking forward to it.

Along those lines, I'm trying to do some preparatory work on my main
Azorean research target.  My great grandfather John Joseph Sylvia was
reportedly born on Graciosa on Dec. 6, 1845.  According to the U.S. Census
he possibly immigrated in 1873 (according to the 1920 census) or 1884
(according to the 1910 census).  He eventually settled in Yreka in northern
California.  He married in 1889 and died in Yreka in 1932.  He is buried
with his wife, Caroline Lemos, in the St. Joseph Cemetery (link:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=sylvia&GSiman=1&GScid=2158169&GRid=106395488&;
).

On Ancestry I found some shipping references to a sailor John Sylvia of
about the right age in the 1865-1875 timeframe so he may have been a sailor
for awhile before moving to California. One good example is 1869, the
vessel "Eagle" sailing from Havana to New York.

I don't know how to use the CCA and other research tools but I'm sure I
will learn more on the trip.  So, my question for now is what are some good
tools I can use to try to find something about his birth in Graciosa and/or
his early life before settling in California?

I have taken the atDNA test through Ancestry and have posted my DNA record
up on GEDMatch (Kit # A979857).

Thanks!

Ken Waters

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation

[smartelli54]

I can't seem to figure out the name of Antonio Pacheco's father. I see last 
name as Pementel.  Entry is on left hand side of page.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1756-1800/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1756-1800_item1/P153.html
 
Thank you for your help.
Sheri

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Correct Pronunciation of Azores, islands and villages

[tanya808smith]

Aloha,

I am hoping that someone can steer me to a site that contains audio 
pronunciation for Portuguese words.

Example:  - Azores?  My colleagues and I have 3 different pronunciations. 
Non of us speak Portuguese.  

Thanks,

Tanya

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Any information regarding: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral Spouse: Geronima Maria - Portugal

[tanya808smith]

Aloha,

I will be traveling to Sao Miguel this June for the first time.  I have a 
couple of ancestor names that migrated to Hawaii in 1883 via the SS Bell 
Rock from Sao Miguel to Hawaii. My GG Grandfather, Manoel Rapozo de Amaral 
came with his father, uncle and several siblings. I am hoping to connect 
more with the villages of my ancestors and perhaps records for deeper links 
to other family members.  I do not have any other information on my GGG 
Grandfather, Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral or his spouse.  

Any Help or links on any of these names or villages would be greatly 
appreciated.




My Mothers paternal side:


Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral  - Portugal
Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal

Children:
Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI 
SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI

Thank you,

Tanya Smith

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Still Looking for.Joseph Silva, Born 1830, I believe Flores. Went to boston, then came to Australia in 1855.

[luiznoia .]

Lyn,

I've worked on many Azores to Australia and New Zealand families.

I agree with Cheri on this. Joseph doesn't know who his parents were, so
there is no family to pursue in Flores.

 Santa Cruz and Lajes are the two concelhos of Flores, meaning he could be
born anywhere on the island.

Going on a needle in a haystack search for a baptism record with no more
information than you already have can't help.

Jose Silveira is one of the most common male names in the Azores, so it
would be difficult to determine when you had the right person.

I'd think it would be better to work through the Trove site to find more
news articles that establish his life in Australia.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/


Eric Edgar




On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:02 AM, Ricardo Chaves  wrote:

> Lyn, what is Jose's last name, I realized you don't know his parents names
> and that's what your looking for.
>
> Is it SILVA or SILVEIRA? Silvaria could be a name but I believe is a
> misspell. A very common name in Central Group and Western Group is
> SILVEIRA, and of course Silva.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Ricardo Chaves wrote:
>
>> What are his parents names? I'll give a try.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Lyn S/B,
>>>
>>> If your ancestor stated on his own marriage certificate that his parents
>>> were unknown, then he was one of those babies that was given up at the
>>> church roda.  If you think he was born in Santa Cruz or Lajes on Flores,
>>> you can look in those 2 freguesias for a baby Jose born to pais incognitos
>>> on 1 Jan 1830.
>>>
>>> I'm always suspicious of the January 1st date.  Too convenient.  But you
>>> can look, nevertheless.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on first name

[Maria Lima]

Oh Ricardo- thank you so much for the list of names - That helps a lot.  

Maria Elena 

> On Apr 1, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Ricardo Chaves  wrote:
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> Hi Maria, 
> 
> Florencia Roza, daughter of Jose Francisco de Rezendes and his legitimate 
> wife Engracia Roza (you can also find Engracio for male)
> 
> Flora, Florbela, Florença, Florencia, Florentino, Floriana, Floripes, 
> Florisa, Florisbela, Florival, Florentina, and Florinda are all common here!
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
>> 
>> Left hand page, bottom name (a baptism)
>> 
>> Is this name  FLORENCIA? !!  (Not very common name- but I'll take it :)
>> 
>> It nice when you have unusual names like Engrazia, the mother in this 
>> case,especially when the husband has a popular name like Francisco Jose.  A 
>> couple of times in my hunt here, I got sidetracked with other Francisco 
>> Jose's but the wife was Catarina or Maria and I kept looking for Engrazia 
>> Roza.  Finally found her and knew that was really her name.  Interesting 
>> that SHE selected an unusual name for her daughter Yay!
>> 
>> Thank you CCA and all those who made these records available.
>> 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P67.html
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>> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ftdna "in common with"

[Cheri Mello]

Judy T,

Look under the name of your match.  You see 4 icons: An envelope (the email
addy of your match), a talk bubble (where you make a note about your
match), a boxy looking pedigree (where you can see their pedigree/Gedcom),
and twisting arrows (In Common With).  If you point at the icons and wait
long enough, sometimes the pop up appears that tells you what the button is.

Cheri


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:57 PM,  wrote:

> Hi Judy,
>
> I just answered your email to me with that question.
> Yes, it's there under the names of your matches, on the far right icon.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
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>   Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] ftdna "in common with"
> From: jt 
> Date: Tue, April 01, 2014 3:26 pm
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> There used to be a feature in ftdna called "in common with" and you could
> pick one of the names you matched and see who you both matched.  I don't
> see that anymore.  Has that gone away or ?
>
> Thx.
>
> Judy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Pam Santos]

Well this might be the same reason of why immigrants did not teach their
children how to speak their native language. My mother whose first language
was Spanish and when she started going to school they did not allow them to
speak Spanish in school and if they did they would get in trouble. She nor
her brothers taught any of her children how to speak Spanish, like Cheri I
took classes because I would spend every summer with my grandfather who
would only speak Spanish. I did not even know he spoke English until he
passed away.

Now my kids Great Grandmother who is 94yrs old refers to Sao Miguel as St
Michael, she does not speak Portuguese either, nor could her mother.  She
would get letters from Massaschuettes from her Uncles/Aunts in Portuguese
and would have to have someone else translate them.


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Tish M  wrote:

> Hi Cheri and Ricardo,
> My story is similar to Cheri's. My parents both worked so I spend a great
> deal of time with my grandparents who immigrated the early 1900's. My
> grandfather came via Santa Maria, Bermuda, back to Santa Maria for his
> bride, and then to California. He and his brother kept the name de
> Figueiredo. My grandparents didn't speak or write when they came, but at
> least one of their father's did, at least enough to be able to spell their
> name correctly (I believe it was probably my grandmother). They came to
> California because she had an uncle who lived there and got my grandfather
> a job. He spoke better English because he was in the work force, but my
> grandmother went to school to become a citizen. I remember helping my
> grandfather study for his driving test. Since he could not read or write
> they just tested his ability to know the traffic signs. Somehow he always
> passed! I have seen records of my great uncle listed as D Figueiredo
> instead of de Figueiredo and some listed correctly. To say the least the
> name is often mispelled. My grandparents spoke in English to me, but I am
> sure they spoke Portuguese to each other. When I first got interested in
> genealogy and trying to learn a little Portuguese I felt much like Cheri's
> father (it was familar). I took Spanish in high school but never was
> enamored with the language. I wonder how it would have been if Portuguese
> had been offered. My Bermuda cousins all dropped the de Figueiredo and used
> Soares which has been quite a problem for me, but it doesn't seem to matter
> to them. They also Anglicized all of the names. José became Joe, João
> became John etc. My grandfather did use Ben instead of Bernardino and I
> found out my grandmother used Bertha sometimes, however I never knew her as
> anything but Bernardina. The Bermudians also use St. Michael, St. Mary,
> and St. George. So... it just depends on your relatives.
> I guess my point is there is no right and wrong. Just as language changes
> so do names. I try to keep the names as Portuguese names and then write
> notes as to the changes that obviously occurred.
> Tish
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Ricardo Chaves wrote:
>
>> There you go Chery, you and your sister were some of the lucky ones!
>> That's why I said "Some families". Also in your longer paragraph you
>> reinforce what I said as another possible reason "LIFE" reasons! That
>> example of moms in the kitchen and "cupid" lol, is perfectly
>> understandable. Don't forget also the ones who somehow faced their hard
>> life in Azores 200 years ago as something to forget and so they did.
>>
>> The De/Da/Do here normally are associated to surnames, da Ponte, de
>> Andrade or d'Andrade, etc. But you can also see them in Maria da Conceição,
>> Olinda de Jesus, etc. These make more sense connecting names than surnames,
>> but then, and again, its all part of our in-heritage and the way things
>> were 100, 200, 300 and more years ago. Its changing nowadays Cheri. I
>> myself did it with my son. No DOS OR DAS for you buddy, simple short name
>> but still maintain his mom and dad last names.
>>
>> About West coast and East coast, by the way, RI is where the majority of
>> my CHAVES live, I don't know. What I know is that if we are talking about
>> genealogy, as you just said, names have to be Portuguese or you wont be
>> able to go anywhere with it! If not, Azorean descendents want to
>> "Americanize" their names or their origin country names, fine by me!
>>
>> Also, I have proof of this, not everyone, specially individuals like me,
>> who live here, my age, interested in deep roots research, my family is
>> huge, and as far as I know, there are only a couple with some curiosity and
>> none really into it. And when you really dedicate some passion into this
>> you can go far, really far. You can also be considered crazy.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Ricardo C,
>>>
>>> You made lots of points.  Let me try to address some of them.
>>>
>>> Why does "de Souza" become "DeSouza?"  Why did the trumpet in high
>>> school band hav

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] ftdna "in common with"

[pico]

Hi Judy,I just answered your email to me with that question.Yes, it's there under the names of your matches, on the far right icon.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


 Original Message 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] ftdna "in common with"
From: jt 
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There used to be a feature in ftdna called "in common with" and you could pick one of the names you matched and see who you both matched.  I don't see that anymore.  Has that gone away or ?Thx.Judy  





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[AZORES-Genealogy] ftdna "in common with"

[jt]

There used to be a feature in ftdna called "in common with" and you could 
pick one of the names you matched and see who you both matched.  I don't 
see that anymore.  Has that gone away or ?

Thx.

Judy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bishop Myron Cotta

[Cakemom102]

Doug, you could probably ask him yourself.  He will be celebrating a  Mass 
the first Sunday of May at St. Elizabeth's and there will be a reception  
after.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 3/31/2014 10:46:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
terce...@dholmes.com writes:

I just read in the latest issue of O Progresso (by the Portuguese  
Historical Society of Sacramento) about the new Bishop Myron Cotta.


Any chance that someone knows about his link to the Azores? It says his  
grandparents were immigrants and I assume they were from Terceira, since  
that's where most named Cotta are from (now spelled as Cota).


I would like to find my own link to his family, since I have lots of Cota  
ancestors from Terceira.


Obrigado,



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Salt Lake City Conference

[Erica Botelho]

Hi Cheri,

I am very disappointed that I only recently found this group and it was too
late for me to make this year's conference fit into my schedule. How often
do you hold this conference? I am hoping it is an annual event.

Thank you,

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Salt Lake City Conference

[Cheri Mello]

We aim for every 18 months, but it winds up being about every other year.
We'd like the next one to be around Sept, 2015.  We'll have to wait and see.


Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Tish M]

Hi Cheri and Ricardo,
My story is similar to Cheri's. My parents both worked so I spend a great
deal of time with my grandparents who immigrated the early 1900's. My
grandfather came via Santa Maria, Bermuda, back to Santa Maria for his
bride, and then to California. He and his brother kept the name de
Figueiredo. My grandparents didn't speak or write when they came, but at
least one of their father's did, at least enough to be able to spell their
name correctly (I believe it was probably my grandmother). They came to
California because she had an uncle who lived there and got my grandfather
a job. He spoke better English because he was in the work force, but my
grandmother went to school to become a citizen. I remember helping my
grandfather study for his driving test. Since he could not read or write
they just tested his ability to know the traffic signs. Somehow he always
passed! I have seen records of my great uncle listed as D Figueiredo
instead of de Figueiredo and some listed correctly. To say the least the
name is often mispelled. My grandparents spoke in English to me, but I am
sure they spoke Portuguese to each other. When I first got interested in
genealogy and trying to learn a little Portuguese I felt much like Cheri's
father (it was familar). I took Spanish in high school but never was
enamored with the language. I wonder how it would have been if Portuguese
had been offered. My Bermuda cousins all dropped the de Figueiredo and used
Soares which has been quite a problem for me, but it doesn't seem to matter
to them. They also Anglicized all of the names. José became Joe, João
became John etc. My grandfather did use Ben instead of Bernardino and I
found out my grandmother used Bertha sometimes, however I never knew her as
anything but Bernardina. The Bermudians also use St. Michael, St. Mary, and
St. George. So... it just depends on your relatives.
I guess my point is there is no right and wrong. Just as language changes
so do names. I try to keep the names as Portuguese names and then write
notes as to the changes that obviously occurred.
Tish


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Ricardo Chaves  wrote:

> There you go Chery, you and your sister were some of the lucky ones!
> That's why I said "Some families". Also in your longer paragraph you
> reinforce what I said as another possible reason "LIFE" reasons! That
> example of moms in the kitchen and "cupid" lol, is perfectly
> understandable. Don't forget also the ones who somehow faced their hard
> life in Azores 200 years ago as something to forget and so they did.
>
> The De/Da/Do here normally are associated to surnames, da Ponte, de
> Andrade or d'Andrade, etc. But you can also see them in Maria da Conceição,
> Olinda de Jesus, etc. These make more sense connecting names than surnames,
> but then, and again, its all part of our in-heritage and the way things
> were 100, 200, 300 and more years ago. Its changing nowadays Cheri. I
> myself did it with my son. No DOS OR DAS for you buddy, simple short name
> but still maintain his mom and dad last names.
>
> About West coast and East coast, by the way, RI is where the majority of
> my CHAVES live, I don't know. What I know is that if we are talking about
> genealogy, as you just said, names have to be Portuguese or you wont be
> able to go anywhere with it! If not, Azorean descendents want to
> "Americanize" their names or their origin country names, fine by me!
>
> Also, I have proof of this, not everyone, specially individuals like me,
> who live here, my age, interested in deep roots research, my family is
> huge, and as far as I know, there are only a couple with some curiosity and
> none really into it. And when you really dedicate some passion into this
> you can go far, really far. You can also be considered crazy.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Ricardo C,
>>
>> You made lots of points.  Let me try to address some of them.
>>
>> Why does "de Souza" become "DeSouza?"  Why did the trumpet in high school
>> band have the last name "Vandewater?"  I'm sure it was "van de Water."  All
>> I know is that in school, the computer programs that creates the roll
>> sheets capitalize the first letter of the last name, because everyone knows
>> that your name is capitalized.  As to the removal of the space, maybe it
>> doesn't accept spaces?  I've even have kids with hyphenated names and it
>> wouldn't take the hyphen.  I don't know if the programmers do the same
>> thing in the courts and the Department of Motor Vehicle registration, but
>> they may.  I'm guessing it just probably comes from an egocentric view
>> going back when people in America were named Jones, Smith, and Brown,
>> before we had so many immigrants.   However, I can write up list for the
>> 100% Portuguese band director and I will write José de Sousa and he will
>> type up and print out José DeSousa.  However, he is American born and does
>> not study genealogy.  And you can't explain surnames and 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Ricardo Chaves]

There you go Chery, you and your sister were some of the lucky ones! That's
why I said "Some families". Also in your longer paragraph you reinforce
what I said as another possible reason "LIFE" reasons! That example of moms
in the kitchen and "cupid" lol, is perfectly understandable. Don't forget
also the ones who somehow faced their hard life in Azores 200 years ago as
something to forget and so they did.

The De/Da/Do here normally are associated to surnames, da Ponte, de Andrade
or d'Andrade, etc. But you can also see them in Maria da Conceição, Olinda
de Jesus, etc. These make more sense connecting names than surnames, but
then, and again, its all part of our in-heritage and the way things were
100, 200, 300 and more years ago. Its changing nowadays Cheri. I myself did
it with my son. No DOS OR DAS for you buddy, simple short name but still
maintain his mom and dad last names.

About West coast and East coast, by the way, RI is where the majority of my
CHAVES live, I don't know. What I know is that if we are talking about
genealogy, as you just said, names have to be Portuguese or you wont be
able to go anywhere with it! If not, Azorean descendents want to
"Americanize" their names or their origin country names, fine by me!

Also, I have proof of this, not everyone, specially individuals like me,
who live here, my age, interested in deep roots research, my family is
huge, and as far as I know, there are only a couple with some curiosity and
none really into it. And when you really dedicate some passion into this
you can go far, really far. You can also be considered crazy.


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Ricardo C,
>
> You made lots of points.  Let me try to address some of them.
>
> Why does "de Souza" become "DeSouza?"  Why did the trumpet in high school
> band have the last name "Vandewater?"  I'm sure it was "van de Water."  All
> I know is that in school, the computer programs that creates the roll
> sheets capitalize the first letter of the last name, because everyone knows
> that your name is capitalized.  As to the removal of the space, maybe it
> doesn't accept spaces?  I've even have kids with hyphenated names and it
> wouldn't take the hyphen.  I don't know if the programmers do the same
> thing in the courts and the Department of Motor Vehicle registration, but
> they may.  I'm guessing it just probably comes from an egocentric view
> going back when people in America were named Jones, Smith, and Brown,
> before we had so many immigrants.   However, I can write up list for the
> 100% Portuguese band director and I will write José de Sousa and he will
> type up and print out José DeSousa.  However, he is American born and does
> not study genealogy.  And you can't explain surnames and presurnames to
> him.  He already knows everything!  One of those types!
>
> As for 2nd, 3rd, etc generations in America, I have a theory.  I'm 3rd
> generation.  So is my sister.  Growing up, my dad told us about being part
> Portuguese, that our ancestors (his grandma) was from the Azores and Sao
> Miguel.  He brought out the encyclopedia and showed us.  I think he told us
> Vila Franca, but I'm not sure.  Today, I believe my sister knows the Azores
> and I think she knows Sao Miguel.  She has no clue where on Sao Miguel and
> probably cannot pick out Sao Miguel on a map.  Yet we were both shown on a
> map and were both there when my dad told us.  Her interest level wasn't
> there, even though we both knew our immigrant ancestor.
>
> As for spoken Portuguese, I have a theory on that too.  I speak just a
> little.  I call it travel talk.  I probably speak like a 3 year old.  My
> sister speaks none.  Neither does my dad.  The only reason I speak a little
> is because I wanted to learn so I bought a book and tape/CD and tried to
> learn myself.  My dad did not teach me.  My dad did not speak.  He will
> come to the hall and says that Portuguese sounds familiar, but he doesn't
> know what they are saying.  He knows a couple of words.  So why does my dad
> (2nd generation) not speak?  Because his dad (1st generation) didn't speak
> either or quit speaking it.  Why?  Got to go back to the history books for
> that.  People who immigrated before WWI and went through it in America,
> came out on the winning side, waving the U.S. flag.  We have a saying,
> "When in Rome, do as the Romans do," so in America, they did as the
> Americans did.  Including school, which was something many immigrants did
> not have in the Azores.  Back in the 19teens (through the 1960s, I
> believe), there was no emphasis on bilingual education.  Everything was in
> English.  So although my grandfather and his brothers learned Portuguese
> first, they went to school in America and learned English.  They went home
> and their parents addressed them in Portuguese and they answered in English
> (this still happens today, with any kid..the parents address them in the
> native language, whether its Portuguese, Korean, Far

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Cheri Mello]

Ricardo C,

You made lots of points.  Let me try to address some of them.

Why does "de Souza" become "DeSouza?"  Why did the trumpet in high school
band have the last name "Vandewater?"  I'm sure it was "van de Water."  All
I know is that in school, the computer programs that creates the roll
sheets capitalize the first letter of the last name, because everyone knows
that your name is capitalized.  As to the removal of the space, maybe it
doesn't accept spaces?  I've even have kids with hyphenated names and it
wouldn't take the hyphen.  I don't know if the programmers do the same
thing in the courts and the Department of Motor Vehicle registration, but
they may.  I'm guessing it just probably comes from an egocentric view
going back when people in America were named Jones, Smith, and Brown,
before we had so many immigrants.   However, I can write up list for the
100% Portuguese band director and I will write José de Sousa and he will
type up and print out José DeSousa.  However, he is American born and does
not study genealogy.  And you can't explain surnames and presurnames to
him.  He already knows everything!  One of those types!

As for 2nd, 3rd, etc generations in America, I have a theory.  I'm 3rd
generation.  So is my sister.  Growing up, my dad told us about being part
Portuguese, that our ancestors (his grandma) was from the Azores and Sao
Miguel.  He brought out the encyclopedia and showed us.  I think he told us
Vila Franca, but I'm not sure.  Today, I believe my sister knows the Azores
and I think she knows Sao Miguel.  She has no clue where on Sao Miguel and
probably cannot pick out Sao Miguel on a map.  Yet we were both shown on a
map and were both there when my dad told us.  Her interest level wasn't
there, even though we both knew our immigrant ancestor.

As for spoken Portuguese, I have a theory on that too.  I speak just a
little.  I call it travel talk.  I probably speak like a 3 year old.  My
sister speaks none.  Neither does my dad.  The only reason I speak a little
is because I wanted to learn so I bought a book and tape/CD and tried to
learn myself.  My dad did not teach me.  My dad did not speak.  He will
come to the hall and says that Portuguese sounds familiar, but he doesn't
know what they are saying.  He knows a couple of words.  So why does my dad
(2nd generation) not speak?  Because his dad (1st generation) didn't speak
either or quit speaking it.  Why?  Got to go back to the history books for
that.  People who immigrated before WWI and went through it in America,
came out on the winning side, waving the U.S. flag.  We have a saying,
"When in Rome, do as the Romans do," so in America, they did as the
Americans did.  Including school, which was something many immigrants did
not have in the Azores.  Back in the 19teens (through the 1960s, I
believe), there was no emphasis on bilingual education.  Everything was in
English.  So although my grandfather and his brothers learned Portuguese
first, they went to school in America and learned English.  They went home
and their parents addressed them in Portuguese and they answered in English
(this still happens today, with any kid..the parents address them in the
native language, whether its Portuguese, Korean, Farsi, and the kid answers
in English).  I know you are saying, "ok fine, but the 1st generation knew
Portuguese so after his education years, what happened?"  I never heard my
grandfather speak any Portuguese at all.  But I suppose that if someone
dropped him off in the Azores, he would have started to speak again after a
couple of weeks.  So why didn't he try to hang onto it and speak some to my
dad?  Because of Cupid!  My immigrant ancestors had 4 boys and all 4 of
them married American, English-speaking women.  Back then (1930s) the women
stayed home, cooked, and took care of the children.  The moms spoke only
English.  So my dad and his cousins did not learn Portuguese.  I really
think that the language and culture get passed down through the moms due to
child rearing.  Yet my dad and his cousins were left with their Portuguese
grandparents in the summers during WWII.  This is why my dad says
Portuguese is familiar to him.  His grandparents would speak Portuguese to
each other (especially if they didn't want the grandkids to know) but not
so much to the grandkids.  My dad knew the words, "leite d'vaca" as his
grandmother would give him money and send him off to the store to get some
milk.  The youngest grandchild (maybe 2 or 3 years old) did wind up
speaking some Portuguese initially.  His parents were getting a divorce and
he was in the house with his Portuguese grandmother for a few months
(again, during WWII, probably in the summer).  After the divorce was
settled (I'm guessing it was really the summer), he went back to American
mom who only spoke English and the Portuguese wasn't reinforced.  And I
also look at the immigrant ancestor, Gloria.  She was very, very
pro-education.  She didn't have access to education in the

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Occupation of "Alferes"

[pico]

That's just how Portuguese grammar works.It's always "o capitao" and "o sargento" etc.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


 Original Message  It is curious that the priest wrote "THE ALFERES".  As if the person were the only one like a judge or maybe the keeper of a Lighthouse that served as an ensign .   




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on first name

[Ricardo Chaves]

Hi Maria,

Florencia Roza, daughter of Jose Francisco de Rezendes and his legitimate
wife Engracia Roza (you can also find Engracio for male)

Flora, Florbela, Florença, Florencia, Florentino, Floriana, Floripes,
Florisa, Florisbela, Florival, Florentina, and Florinda are all common here!



Cheers


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:

>
> Left hand page, bottom name (a baptism)
>
> Is this name  FLORENCIA? !!  (Not very common name- but I'll take it :)
>
> It nice when you have unusual names like Engrazia, the mother in this
> case,especially when the husband has a popular name like Francisco Jose.  A
> couple of times in my hunt here, I got sidetracked with other Francisco
> Jose's but the wife was Catarina or Maria and I kept looking for Engrazia
> Roza.  Finally found her and knew that was really her name.  Interesting
> that SHE selected an unusual name for her daughter Yay!
>
> Thank you CCA and all those who made these records available.
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P67.html
>
> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Occupation of "Alferes"

[rcapodc]

Mary Elena, my definition from my Portuguese books for Alferes is 2nd 
Lieutenant.  Rosemarie 

From: Maria Lima 
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 9:00 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Occupation of "Alferes"

Thank you Manoel.  

There was a lot of names there.  I looked up the occupation or title "Alferes"  
And it said Ensign.  It is curious that the priest wrote "THE ALFERES".  As if 
the person were the only one like a judge or maybe the keeper of a Lighthouse 
that served as an ensign .  

I wonder what that occupation or title that be in the context of the culture at 
the time?  

Maria Elena 
On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:07 AM, mances  wrote:


  Maria, 

  The father is Francisco José de Resendes.

  The godfather is Bernardo José do Rego son of the alferes "Antonio do Rego 
Sousa Coutinho", deceased, and Dona "Inacia Rosa".

  Manoel

  Em terça-feira, 1 de abril de 2014 00h41min49s UTC-3, Maria escreveu: 
Is the father Francisco Jose de Resendes( I'm guessing ) 



http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html
 

Also the padrinhos puzzled me because it said the godfather was the son of 
- I could not decipher the name:  Bernardo Joze de Rego, son of Mathias (???) 
Antonio Do Rego (?)(causes?cant read it. Souza -and it looks like it 
talks about the padrinho being baptized .. Then does it say his wife is Donna 
Ignacia ? rosa? 

I wonder why it gave relationships of godparents.   
Any help would be appreciated.   




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tony Capodicci

[rcapodc]

Thank you Elizabeth!  Rosemarie 

From: Elizabeth Migliori 
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 8:49 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tony Capodicci

Deepest Sympathies.




On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:59 AM, rcapodc  wrote:

  My Dear Azores Group Family, 

  I am writing to let you know that my husband, Tony, passed away this past 
Friday. I have spoken with my girls and other family members and they are all 
encouraging me to go to Salt Lake City and teach at the Conference. Cheri told 
me that there were several people wondering about that fact. I promise that I 
will be there, God willing! 

  If you would like to send me an email, please address it to my home addy not 
the List. 

  Thank you all, Rosemarie 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FTDA MTdna sale

[Cheri Mello]

Today is the last day of Family Tree DNA's March Madness Sale on mtDNA:
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And here is Roberta Estes, genealogy geneticst, take on mtDNA from her
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Free database access Pico & Terceira

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Book for beginning genealogists "Unpuzzling Your Past"

[Cheri Mello]

When I first got into genealogy 20+ years ago, I went to my local library
and checked out a few books on genealogy.  One book I really liked and I
went to the bookstore and purchased it.  That book was "Unpuzzling Your
Past" by Emily Anne Croom.

Dick Eastman has a link to a book review on it here:
http://goo.gl/SFwOqm

I also signed up for a genealogy class at my local adult school.  Many
things that were said in the book were reiterated by the teacher.

I haven't looked at my copy of the book in a long time, but the review
mentions a filing system.  I pretty much try to let my genealogy program do
most of that.

The focusing on one ancestor has been said by many genealogy teachers and
lectures.  And that works, as long as I'm looking for Percival X.
Housewarmer.  If we are looking for Manuel da Silva, that doesn't work out
as well because we need to look for Manuel da Silva with Constancia de
Jesus.  So in the Portuguese records, we focus on a couple.

Mrs. Croom mentions cluster genealogy.  I'd kinda forgotten that.  I
believe most call it whole family or collateral genealogy, where you
collect as many as you can.  Even your 2nd cousins, 3 times removed.

For those new to genealogy, I'd recommend checking out this book at your
local library!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tony Capodicci

[Elizabeth Migliori]

Deepest Sympathies.


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:59 AM, rcapodc  wrote:

>   My Dear Azores Group Family,
>
> I am writing to let you know that my husband, Tony, passed away this past
> Friday. I have spoken with my girls and other family members and they are
> all encouraging me to go to Salt Lake City and teach at the Conference.
> Cheri told me that there were several people wondering about that fact. I
> promise that I will be there, God willing!
>
> If you would like to send me an email, please address it to my home addy
> not the List.
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> Thank you all, Rosemarie
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Occupation of "Alferes"

[Maria Lima]

Thank you Manoel.  

There was a lot of names there.  I looked up the occupation or title "Alferes"  
And it said Ensign.  It is curious that the priest wrote "THE ALFERES".  As if 
the person were the only one like a judge or maybe the keeper of a Lighthouse 
that served as an ensign .  

I wonder what that occupation or title that be in the context of the culture at 
the time?  

Maria Elena 
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:07 AM, mances  wrote:
> 
> Maria,
> 
> The father is Francisco José de Resendes.
> 
> The godfather is Bernardo José do Rego son of the alferes "Antonio do Rego 
> Sousa Coutinho", deceased, and Dona "Inacia Rosa".
> 
> Manoel
> 
> Em terça-feira, 1 de abril de 2014 00h41min49s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:
>> 
>> Is the father Francisco Jose de Resendes( I'm guessing ) 
>> 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html
>>  
>> 
>> Also the padrinhos puzzled me because it said the godfather was the son of - 
>> I could not decipher the name:  Bernardo Joze de Rego, son of Mathias (???) 
>> Antonio Do Rego (?)(causes?cant read it. Souza -and it looks like it 
>> talks about the padrinho being baptized .. Then does it say his wife is 
>> Donna Ignacia ? rosa? 
>> 
>> I wonder why it gave relationships of godparents.   
>> Any help would be appreciated.   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html
>>  
>> 
>> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family

[Alda Jorge]

The name Verissimo has peaked my curiosity.  I have Verissimos from Sao
Miguel (mainly Santa Cruz, Lagoa)

Presently living in Canada and Massachusetts area.  I am know wondering if
there is a connections to Terceira.

Anyone intersted in sharing would be apprieated.


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 6:43 PM,  wrote:

> Interesting. I didn't know about this branch in Graciosa.
>
> Did you ever happen to look into DNA testing?
> I wrote about it here and maybe it will help you decide:
> www.dholmes.com/dna.html
>
> So it seems to me you have a branch of ancestors from Terceira, or maybe
> these are just your in-laws?
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> Website: www.dholmes.com
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>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family
> From: max leite 
> Date: Mon, March 31, 2014 2:15 pm
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Cc: terce...@dholmes.com
>
> are they related to the Verissimo-leite in graciosa  VerissimoOn Monday,
> January 7, 2013 7:42:56 PM UTC-5, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>> I know this Terceira family.
>> Contact me here if interested:
>> terc...@dholmes.com
>>
>>
>> Doug da Rocha Holmes
>> Sacramento, California
>> Pico Genealogist
>> 916-550-1618
>> www.dholmes.com
>>
>>
>>   Original Message 
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family
>> From: Dan Goodman 
>> Date: Mon, January 07, 2013 4:13 pm
>> To: Azores Genealogy 
>>
>> Looking for information about the Verissimo family. Jose Amaro
>> Verissimo was born 17 Jan 1887 in Terceira. His parents are Amaro
>> Verissimo and Maria Adelaide.
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Question on first name

[Maria Lima]

Left hand page, bottom name (a baptism) 

Is this name  FLORENCIA? !!  (Not very common name- but I'll take it :)

It nice when you have unusual names like Engrazia, the mother in this 
case,especially when the husband has a popular name like Francisco Jose.  A 
couple of times in my hunt here, I got sidetracked with other Francisco Jose's 
but the wife was Catarina or Maria and I kept looking for Engrazia Roza.  
Finally found her and knew that was really her name.  Interesting that SHE 
selected an unusual name for her daughter Yay!

Thank you CCA and all those who made these records available.  


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P67.html

Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bishop Myron Cotta

[Joaquin Mendonca]

Doug,

If you know someone  in Gustine, Myron Cotta was the parish priest for 
awhile. Since Gustine is a Portuguese community, maybe some one knows 
his background.


Joaquin Mendonca


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Not sure of fathers surname and padrinhos

[mances]

Maria,

The father is Francisco José de Resendes.

The godfather is Bernardo José do Rego son of the alferes "Antonio do Rego 
Sousa Coutinho", deceased, and Dona "Inacia Rosa".

Manoel

Em terça-feira, 1 de abril de 2014 00h41min49s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:
>
> Is the father Francisco Jose de Resendes( I'm guessing ) 
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html
>  
>
> Also the padrinhos puzzled me because it said the godfather was the son of 
> - I could not decipher the name:  Bernardo Joze de Rego, son of Mathias 
> (???) Antonio Do Rego (?)(causes?cant read it. Souza -and it looks 
> like it talks about the padrinho being baptized .. Then does it say his 
> wife is Donna Ignacia ? rosa? 
>
> I wonder why it gave relationships of godparents.   
> Any help would be appreciated.   
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html
>  
>
> Maria Elena 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records

[Herb]

Good morning Eliseu and thank you very much for the information. May I contact 
you off list to continue the discussion. Would it be possible for you to send 
me a copy of the record. Thank you, Herb

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Still Looking for.Joseph Silva, Born 1830, I believe Flores. Went to boston, then came to Australia in 1855.

[Ricardo Chaves]

Lyn, what is Jose's last name, I realized you don't know his parents names
and that's what your looking for.

Is it SILVA or SILVEIRA? Silvaria could be a name but I believe is a
misspell. A very common name in Central Group and Western Group is
SILVEIRA, and of course Silva.


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Ricardo Chaves  wrote:

> What are his parents names? I'll give a try.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Lyn S/B,
>>
>> If your ancestor stated on his own marriage certificate that his parents
>> were unknown, then he was one of those babies that was given up at the
>> church roda.  If you think he was born in Santa Cruz or Lajes on Flores,
>> you can look in those 2 freguesias for a baby Jose born to pais incognitos
>> on 1 Jan 1830.
>>
>> I'm always suspicious of the January 1st date.  Too convenient.  But you
>> can look, nevertheless.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>   Cheri Mello
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>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi!

I just sent you the first one i found in the book order. I have read some more 
josé s being raised by the paid couples… it is very hard to determine who is 
who… One could be suspicious about the “father”… but I do not think. The 
“father” is the same at other “adoptions”. He was the bell man of the church 
(sineiro)… I looked at the other josé s and the bell man was always the 
godfather…

As to to age being wrong it was a very common thing those days. That is why you 
can read in the “assentos” the sentence “pouco mais ou menos” (more or less). 
It means a person had 50 years more or less (one more one less who cares at 
those days?!

 

Hope it helps. 

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Herb
Enviada: terça-feira, 1 de Abril de 2014 00:12
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records

 

Hello 

 

It very well could be him. I just took another look at his death certificate  
and it says  he died on 11 Dec 1952 at age 80.  If he was born in Jan 1871  and 
died in Dec 1952 he would have been 81 not 80 right? What do you make of this 
information Eliseu? Interesting that the Godfather was named Sousa and the 
adoptive father was named Silva but the age doesn't quite match up does it?

 

Herb

On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:05:39 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:

HI,

There is a José exposto that “fits” your José.

 

In the book of 1871, registry nº 24, folium 10, left, we can read:

 

Baptized at 8 February 1871, Matriz, Ribeira Grande. It says he was born the 
day before. He was exposto number 1825 in the Roda da Câmara, Rua do Val, 
Freguesia da Conceição.

 

He was given to be cared to Maria de Jesus married to Manuel da Silva, both 
living at Rua Nova, Freguesia da Conceição.

 

Godfather was Jacinto de Sousa Galante, married man.

God mother was Ana Joaquina, unmarried woman, she was enlisted to take care of 
the expostos (The municipality paid a certain amount to those women to raise 
the expostos given to them).

 

 

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 ] Em nome de Herb
Enviada: segunda-feira, 31 de Março de 2014 19:06
Para: azo...@googlegroups.com  
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records

 

Hi Eliseu

 

I  am looking for Jose Sousa Silva who married Cecilia da Conceicao Pacheco on 
Feb 1892.   In fact I have their  marriage record, (married in Sao Jose PD) 
what I am looking for is his baptism  He was an "exposto da roda" from NS da 
Estrela RG,  and I was hoping to see who the Godparents were or to possibly 
glean some little tid bit of information that may be helpful to my search.  He 
died in 1952 at age 80, in Sao Jose, but he would have been baptized at NS da 
Estrela on or about 1871-1872. 

 

thanks

 

Herb

On Monday, March 31, 2014 12:20:44 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:

Hi! 
Are you looking for José de Sousa Silva married to Jorgina? Son of Maximino and 
Guilhermina from Ribeira Seca, Ribeira Grande? 


Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Still Looking for.Joseph Silva, Born 1830, I believe Flores. Went to boston, then came to Australia in 1855.

[Ricardo Chaves]

What are his parents names? I'll give a try.


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Lyn S/B,
>
> If your ancestor stated on his own marriage certificate that his parents
> were unknown, then he was one of those babies that was given up at the
> church roda.  If you think he was born in Santa Cruz or Lajes on Flores,
> you can look in those 2 freguesias for a baby Jose born to pais incognitos
> on 1 Jan 1830.
>
> I'm always suspicious of the January 1st date.  Too convenient.  But you
> can look, nevertheless.
>
>
>>
>>  Cheri Mello
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CARVALHO - Santa Maria Island - Santo Espirito

[Ricardo Chaves]

Hi Shirley and Dano,

I already have some dates for my Mello, who in this case married Margarida
in 1797, Santo Espirito Shirley, his father is Balthazar Gomes Freitas,
some times mentioned only as Balthazar Gomes. Being Freitas, I now have
doubts his line came outside Santa Maria, as Freitas is very common there
and is in my mother's side lineage. My São Pedro lineage is Cabral but have
married several Freitas from Santa Bárbara and I have seen quite a number
of Mellos in Santa Barbara as well and many marriages between both
Parishes. So, in my experience, as the my Home is only 97 square km you
both will circle around those 5 parishes a lot :-) All these are now being
tracked prior 1799.


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:35 AM, Dano  wrote:

> I know you do Shirley, what I have I got from you and Cheri. BTW, thank
> you - that family turned out to be a major part of my family history. I've
> done some research on the children, but, I haven't been able to move the
> clock back on the earlier ancestors from when I originally got that data.
> So, until Sao Pedro is uploaded, I remain dead in the water, so to speak...
>
> On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:14:49 PM UTC-4, Shirley Allegre wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I have Manoel de Mello X Anna Moura from Sao Pedro - Santa Maria island.
>> Manoel was born about 1648.
>>
>> Shirley in CA
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Dano
>> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:05 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CARVALHO - Santa Maria Island - Santo
>> Espirito
>>
>>  Hi Altino, sorry it took so long to get back to you - I truly didn't
>> see the message until today. Anyway, Cheri and I shared databases some
>> umpteen billion years ago. Pretty much nothing has changed w/ the Mello
>> links since then, except that I've had a chance to hone in and get more
>> data on the individuals in that category. I have approximately 190 Mello
>> links. However, I'm in the process of upgrading my computer system
>> at present -  I should be able to send you some data soon.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:10:25 PM UTC-5, Altino
>>
>>> DPaiva, Cheri, and I have Mello's from Ponta Garca too. It would be
>>> interesting to see if our lines connect.
>>>
>>> demelo...@yahoo.com
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> > On Feb 8, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Dano  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Ola, Ricardo,
>>> > You said the magic words [Mello/Santa Maria]. My Mello links, however,
>>> are from Sao Pedro, and date back before much of the written records that
>>> still exist. I was hoping to find some type of historic account that covers
>>> at least the link-up period [1687]. My [Mellos] originally settled in
>>> Povoacao before 1700, and relocated to Ponta Garca a short time later. Let
>>> me know if you care to share notes.
>>> >
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>>
>> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:10:25 PM UTC-5, Altino wrote:
>>>
>>> DPaiva, Cheri, and I have Mello's from Ponta Garca too. It would be
>>> interesting to see if our lines connect.
>>>
>>> demelo...@yahoo.com
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> > On Feb 8, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Dano  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Ola, Ricardo,
>>> > You said the magic words [Mello/Santa Maria]. My Mello links, however,
>>> are from Sao Pedro, and date back before much of the written records that
>>> still exist. I was hoping to find some type of historic account that covers
>>> at least the link-up period [1687]. My [Mellos] originally settled in
>>> Povoacao before 1700, and relocated to Ponta Garca a short time later. Let
>>> me know if you care to share notes.
>>> >
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>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
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>>> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

[Ricardo Chaves]

Good morning group,

first my apologies to Eliseu for not being able explain myself the right
way, we have talked off list. Eliseu, I went to your website and typed in
your "query box" *de Sousa* (with space between the prefix and the surname)
and it worked. Now, if I type *deSousa* there's no results. I think
everything else has been already explained. Eliseu, I know its possible,
webdesign is not my strongest, I'm more into networking and hardware, but
maybe João Ventura can tell you that, there might be a way to add to the
database some kind of link between, example ALL the de Sousa with the
DeSousa, etc. then when someone query's for DeSousa, the server will
consider all the de Sousa and show them in the results and I would advice
some kind of introductory note for those who actually don't really know
that their surname was originally de Sousa, and all other possible
"conversions" Just an idea!

I am curious, in fact, have always been, why Portuguese descendents in US
adopt using, or should I say, "converting" their family name, if not
already been by their ancestors, from example "de Sousa" do "DeSousa"? Is
it because of what Angela wrote or is there any other law? Another thing is
that some family's are the only ones one can "blame" for their 2nd or 3rd
so on, generations don't have a clue what their origins are, do not know a
single word in Portuguese, don't have a clue what Azores are or where are
at! I have a few dozen cousins over there, they ALL know where Azores are,
on the other hand, I have discovered relatives of 3rd and 4th generations
older than me, in the US who didn't now much or nothing about their
origins, among many things, I thing life itself is a cause and only when
they get older they start wondering. Yes Angela, like I said, as long one
know why and how, they will eventually track down the original form of the
name.

Doug, now that is quite curious, and the first time I hear it!! So US
considers a prefix as a NAME? I know of course, interpretation of a
Portuguese word, in this case a prefix (Artigo Defenido "DO" "DA") and
(Preposição "DE") in the US has nothing to do with the one here, but I
congratulate you with your effort of trying to maintain the origins with
your sons names. As I wrote earlier, removing the "DA" was probably like
changing a name in US. But in the ID card is still there. Do not consider
this a lack of respect for the origins, its just more convenient to sign
your name with out it, but the signature will always be associated to the
complete name with the "DA" in it. Now my son got the his mother last name
and mine after birth name with no "DO" OR DA" but he will always be an
Andrade Chaves.

Now, here is my opinion about Portuguese, in our case, Azorean descendents
not knowing the right words in Portuguese, like Dano says, San Miguel, etc.
Have you all had a close look at a for example a Passenger list from
1800's? Its not their fault, if in 1800's São Miguel was written down as
Saint Michael Island when they arrived, who's fault is it? Where is Saint
Mary? Try query internet from those and many more names and see the
results! Now imagine some 60 years old lady that finds some old papers of
her grandmother saying her great grand mother was from Saint Mary and this
lady never heard about Azores and doesn't know much about Azores Google
Groups, etc and ends up in India!! Its their parents fault in my opinion,
Grandparents, etc, who have not been able to transmit their culture to
their descendents, etc.

I know some of you are older than me and I know some of you were not this
case, but there are many still living in ignorance bit not because they
want, but because they were lead to! And perfectly understand, even being
younger than many of you, why you get so angry when they make these kind of
mistakes and not being able to even spell the names right, its because we
treasure our roots, but remember, some emigrants left Azores in search of a
better life ans some went through so much they didn't even want to remember
where Azores was, and with it, their history and culture was forgotten!




On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:18 AM, Dano  wrote:

> Well, Cheri, they probably don't mean it, but, what kind of research will
> they turn out if they can't even get the names of the islands straight???
> You know I'm on the east coast, only been to CA once in my life, but, even
> I know that San Miguel is in the Channel Islands - all it takes is a short
> walk to where the encyclopedia is kept, you don't even need own it, to use
> it... All I'm saying is that I can feel Eliseu's frustration when
> people complain that none of the surnames on his website start with DE, or,
> DA ...
>
> On Monday, March 31, 2014 10:24:32 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
>> The only San Miguel island that exists (that I could find on the
>> Internet) is part of the Channel Islands of the coast of California.  Wrong
>> archipelago, wrong country, wrong ocean.  And I know most people don't mean
>> that!
>