RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA information (New Admin; Conference Sale; AncestryDNA)

2014-06-07 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel
I was thinking the other day that this may be a good time to get Melody to take 
a FF test. She has been posting the last few weeks with her Azores Lines. The 
last time we checked we had the funds in the admin account.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Rockingham County, NH

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 1:27 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA information (New Admin; Conference Sale; 
AncestryDNA)

 

Here is a bit more on Ancestry.com discontinuing their Y-DNA and mtDNA tests 
(and a few other products such as MyHeritage, Mundia, etc) from Dick Eastman's 
blog: http://goo.gl/lD55qp


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA information (New Admin; Conference Sale; AncestryDNA)

2014-06-07 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel
Disregard this post I meant to send it to another address.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Rockingham County, NH

 

 

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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA information (New Admin; Conference 
Sale; AncestryDNA)

 

I was thinking the other day that this may be a good time to get Melody to take 
a FF test. She has been posting the last few weeks with her Azores Lines. The 
last time we checked we had the funds in the admin account.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Rockingham County, NH

 

 

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Cheri Mello
Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 1:27 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA information (New Admin; Conference Sale; 
AncestryDNA)

 

Here is a bit more on Ancestry.com discontinuing their Y-DNA and mtDNA tests 
(and a few other products such as MyHeritage, Mundia, etc) from Dick Eastman's 
blog: http://goo.gl/lD55qp


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[AZORES-Genealogy] GRACIOSA - Santa Cruz - Marriage record

2014-06-07 Thread Lee
I need  little help with the marriage of Antonio Correa de Mendonca and 
Anna de Jesus Francisca (right page/bottom record)
 
I have a question about the information at the very bottom of the record.  
I can see that it states she/her family are from the Matriz of ? the 
rest I can't make out/or understand.
 
Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1710-1741/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1710-1741_item1/P69.html
 
Thank you in advance for any help provided.
 
Lee Estep,
Oak Hill, West Virginia
 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Graciosa - NS da Luz - Marriage Record

2014-06-07 Thread Lee
I need some help with the marriage record of Manoel de Bettencourt Avila 
and Isabel de Ponte da Sylva (right page/top record).
 
I know the date is October 13, 1755.
 
His parents are Manoel de Mendonca Sodre and Maria Medina de Bettencourt.
Her parents are Capitao Antonio ??? da Sylva and Maria Novais Machado
 
*The main question that I have is - Where is the groom from??*
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798_item1/P3.html
 
This is Manoel de Bettencourt Avila's first marriage, the 2nd is 
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798_item1/P48.html
 
(left page/bottom and right page top)
 
In this record it says he and his bride (Maria de Jesus de Bettencourt) are 
all from this fregusia.  However, I can find no information on his parents 
in this parish.
 
Any help/information would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thank you in advance for any help provided.
 
Lee Estep, 
Oak Hill, West Virginia
 
 
 
 
 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More translation help please

2014-06-07 Thread Dano
This record is busy early on with information dealing w/ consanguinity, and 
subsequent dispensation, and there are a couple of names listed as 
testamunhas (witnesses), but, I don't see any mention of the parents of 
either Pedro, or Antonia.

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 6:26:33 PM UTC-4, smart...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need help with the name of the parents of both Pedro de Oliveira and 
 Antonia Pacheca.  I believe I got the correct one on the right hand side of 
 the page, bottom entry.  Thank you.
 Sheri
  

 *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1696-1742/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1696-1742_item1/P78.html*
  
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1696-1742/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1696-1742_item1/P78.html

  
  
  


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: MtDNA Haplogroup J

2014-06-07 Thread Isabella Baltar
Patricia,

I'm also included in the J group and one of it is subdivisions; I have done 
the Full Sequence for my mtDNA one year ago and did not find a single match 
until today. We are a very small part of the Azores population, around 
5.48%, based on a study done a few years ago. If you are interested in the 
study, email me privately. My earliest ancestor is from 1679, in Terceira 
Island.

Isabella Baltar
myportuguesegen.blogspot.com

On Friday, June 6, 2014 3:41:35 PM UTC-4, Patricia Straube wrote:

 We just received the MtDNA results for my husband's mother, Mary Elsie 
 Amaral. Only the basic test was performed but there were no matches at HVR1 
 and HVR2. There were over 1000 matches at HVR1 alone and while that is 
 interesting, it is not that helpful. She is a part of the Family Tree DNA 
 Azores Project but her results haven't appeared on the MtDNA results page. 
 She belongs to Haplogroup J and her earliest known ancestor in the female 
 line is Anna de Jesus Pavão, who married Francisco Sousa and whose 
 daughter, Rosa de Jesus, was called a native of Ribeirinha, when her 
 children were baptized at Nossa Senhora da Estrela, Ribeira Grande, São 
 Miguel, beginning in 1868. Rosa de Jesus married Jose Raposo, also called 
 Jose Raposo Pombeiro. Sorry, but because this is Ribeira Grande, I don't 
 have any birthdates or marriage dates for them yet.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA information (New Admin; Conference Sale; AncestryDNA)

2014-06-07 Thread Cheri Mello
About the sale at the showthere are no upgrades on sale.  I'll ask
Bennett Greenspan (founder and CEO) if he's entertaining thoughts about
having upgrades on sale for the Sizzling Summer Sale.  I'll try to post
later today, but today (Sat) is a very hectic day for me (between the show
and then the festa).


Cheri Mello
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velas marriage Manuel Avila and Anna dos Anjos

2014-06-07 Thread nancy jean baptiste
Thanks everyone for the help...now to figure out how they're related!
 
Nancy Jean
 
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 19:37:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velas marriage Manuel Avila and Anna dos Anjos
From: busybo...@gmail.com
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On Friday, June 6, 2014, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote:




Thanks for help.could someone confirm that she's from Topo?
Shirley translated above that she is from Rosais. I have not looked at the 
record myself but I do know that the churches in both Rosais and Topo are Nossa 
Senhora do Rosario. 

Mary



 
Thank you,Nancy Jean
  Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:36:21 -0700
 From: kamis...@comcast.net

 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velas marriage Manuel Avila and Anna dos Anjos

 
 The impediment is first degree affinity. Maybe she was his daughter-in-law or 
 step-Daughter.
 MNK
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA information (New Admin; Conference Sale; AncestryDNA)

2014-06-07 Thread Marilyn Thompson
What does it cost to transfer DNA test results to FTDNA? I have a non
Azorean family member that tested with Ancestry.com. Thank you


On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 6:47 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 About the sale at the showthere are no upgrades on sale.  I'll ask
 Bennett Greenspan (founder and CEO) if he's entertaining thoughts about
 having upgrades on sale for the Sizzling Summer Sale.  I'll try to post
 later today, but today (Sat) is a very hectic day for me (between the show
 and then the festa).



 Cheri Mello
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 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Graciosa - NS da Luz - Marriage Record

2014-06-07 Thread nancy jean baptiste
Hi Lee,
 
It looks to me like his name is Capitao Antonio Fogalo? da Sylva.
 
I can't tell where he's from.
 
Nancy jean
 
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 05:09:57 -0700
From: shorts...@suddenlink.net
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Graciosa - NS da Luz - Marriage Record

I need some help with the marriage record of Manoel de Bettencourt Avila and 
Isabel de Ponte da Sylva (right page/top record). I know the date is October 
13, 1755. His parents are Manoel de Mendonca Sodre and Maria Medina de 
Bettencourt.Her parents are Capitao Antonio ??? da Sylva and Maria Novais 
Machado The main question that I have is - Where is the groom from?? 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798_item1/P3.html
 This is Manoel de Bettencourt Avila's first marriage, the 2nd is  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798_item1/P48.html
 (left page/bottom and right page top) In this record it says he and his bride 
(Maria de Jesus de Bettencourt) are all from this fregusia.  However, I can 
find no information on his parents in this parish. Any help/information would 
be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for any help provided. Lee Estep, 
Oak Hill, West Virginia 




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA information (New Admin; Conference Sale; AncestryDNA)

2014-06-07 Thread Marilyn Thompson
Sorry I was being lazy I guess. I just found the page and have sent it on
to my sister-in-law.


On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Marilyn Thompson mari...@jmtmlt.com wrote:

 What does it cost to transfer DNA test results to FTDNA? I have a non
 Azorean family member that tested with Ancestry.com. Thank you


 On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 6:47 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 About the sale at the showthere are no upgrades on sale.  I'll ask
 Bennett Greenspan (founder and CEO) if he's entertaining thoughts about
 having upgrades on sale for the Sizzling Summer Sale.  I'll try to post
 later today, but today (Sat) is a very hectic day for me (between the show
 and then the festa).



 Cheri Mello
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 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA information (New Admin; Conference Sale; AncestryDNA)

2014-06-07 Thread Cheri Mello
For those who want to know..

They get your data from Ancestry or 23 and Me and put it into their system,
then run matches to FTDNA, and create you a page.  I'm sure there's more
detail to it, but that's the basics, I think.


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Summer Sale Update

2014-06-07 Thread Cheri Mello
Easy stuff first.
They don't know what they will be putting on sale or if it will include
upgrades or not.  They'll cross that bridge when they get to it.

Now the big questionWHEN???
Not now.  Most likely later.  They have a new piece of equipment coming and
some other new lab stuff coming.  They do get bogged down in Quality
Control and they are investing in speeding up this process.  So if the
equipment is to come in June 14th, for example, will it?  Or will it arrive
June 30? There are logistics to deal with and then training on the new
machine, etc, etc.  They don't want to have a sale when they are getting
used to new equipment.  So we need to think that the sale will be later in
the summer.

That's the most I could find out.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Summer Sale Update

2014-06-07 Thread Pam Santos
Thanks Cheri for letting us know

On Saturday, June 7, 2014, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Easy stuff first.
 They don't know what they will be putting on sale or if it will include
 upgrades or not.  They'll cross that bridge when they get to it.

 Now the big questionWHEN???
 Not now.  Most likely later.  They have a new piece of equipment coming
 and some other new lab stuff coming.  They do get bogged down in Quality
 Control and they are investing in speeding up this process.  So if the
 equipment is to come in June 14th, for example, will it?  Or will it arrive
 June 30? There are logistics to deal with and then training on the new
 machine, etc, etc.  They don't want to have a sale when they are getting
 used to new equipment.  So we need to think that the sale will be later in
 the summer.

 That's the most I could find out.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Anyone researching Antonio do Monte/Agada Rapozo Achada/Nordestinho?

2014-06-07 Thread IslandRoutes


 John, Eliseu, and Aaron,

Last night I worked in the baptismals for 1751-1770.  I started at 1756 as 
I lucked out by clicking on the exact page that had a do Monte on it.  I 
then went forward a few years.  This is what I observed:

There were two distinct way the records were noted.  One couple listed as 
Miguel do Monte and Thereza Furtada, the Thereza was always noted as being 
from Fayal (NS Graca) or some variation of that.  The other couple which 
was listed as Miguel do Monte Mancebo and Thereza Furtada, both individuals 
were always listed as being from Achada.

I remember asking George Pacheco years ago about this term Mancebo and he 
said it means the younger, similar to how Americans use Junior.

I noticed that the couple without Mancebo had no baptismal records after 
1758.  All the other entries were for Miguel do Monte Mancebo.  I decided 
this must mean the older couple was no longer able to have kids and 
possibly one of them died.  So off to the Obitos I went where I found the 
answer to the mystery of the two Miguel do Monte and Thereza Furtada's.

You will find Thereze Furtada's death record (img 25, bottom left) at this 
link:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781_item1/P25.html

Thereza died at the age of 50 on 15 January (?) 1662.  She is listed as the 
wife of Miguel do Monte.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781_item1/P25.html

Then, Miguel do Monte's death record is image 29, left hand side of the 
page:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781_item1/P29.html

Miguel is listed as widow of Thereza Furtada.  He is 72 years old.  He died 
16 Jul 1764...so he even outlived wife #3!

I'll go back later this weekend and sort out the rest of the children.  I 
found these listed as by Miguel do Monte Mancebo:
Maria b. 4 may 1756 (img 39)
Manoel and Izabel (twins), b 9 May 1759 (img 59)
Antonio, b. 25 Jan 1762 (img 64)

These by Miguel do Monte, the elder:
Izidorio b. 4 Mar 1755 (img 30)
Barbara b. 23 Jul 1758 (img 55)
(This was the last child that I found for them)

Mel
 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Anyone researching Antonio do Monte/Agada Rapozo Achada/Nordestinho?

2014-06-07 Thread Cheri Mello
So Mel, you have now been inducted into the Sherlock Holmes Detective hall
of fame!
Cheri

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Anyone researching Antonio do Monte/Agada Rapozo Achada/Nordestinho?

2014-06-07 Thread Marilyn Thompson
WOW Great job sleuthing and rewarded by a great find



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Anyone researching Antonio do Monte/Agada Rapozo Achada/Nordestinho?

2014-06-07 Thread JR
Very good work Mel !!. I have one record that does say mancebo with a note 
attached. There are small periods in Achada which are unreadable, perhaps 
Miguel mancebo married in one of those, or somewhere else. That obito does 
say Jan 15- 1762.  The search goes on

On Saturday, June 7, 2014 1:40:33 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote:


 John, Eliseu, and Aaron,

 Last night I worked in the baptismals for 1751-1770.  I started at 1756 as 
 I lucked out by clicking on the exact page that had a do Monte on it.  I 
 then went forward a few years.  This is what I observed:

 There were two distinct way the records were noted.  One couple listed as 
 Miguel do Monte and Thereza Furtada, the Thereza was always noted as being 
 from Fayal (NS Graca) or some variation of that.  The other couple which 
 was listed as Miguel do Monte Mancebo and Thereza Furtada, both individuals 
 were always listed as being from Achada.

 I remember asking George Pacheco years ago about this term Mancebo and 
 he said it means the younger, similar to how Americans use Junior.

 I noticed that the couple without Mancebo had no baptismal records after 
 1758.  All the other entries were for Miguel do Monte Mancebo.  I decided 
 this must mean the older couple was no longer able to have kids and 
 possibly one of them died.  So off to the Obitos I went where I found the 
 answer to the mystery of the two Miguel do Monte and Thereza Furtada's.

 You will find Thereze Furtada's death record (img 25, bottom left) at this 
 link:

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781_item1/P25.html

 Thereza died at the age of 50 on 15 January (?) 1662.  She is listed as 
 the wife of Miguel do Monte.

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781_item1/P25.html

 Then, Miguel do Monte's death record is image 29, left hand side of the 
 page:

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781_item1/P29.html

 Miguel is listed as widow of Thereza Furtada.  He is 72 years old.  He 
 died 16 Jul 1764...so he even outlived wife #3!

 I'll go back later this weekend and sort out the rest of the children.  I 
 found these listed as by Miguel do Monte Mancebo:
 Maria b. 4 may 1756 (img 39)
 Manoel and Izabel (twins), b 9 May 1759 (img 59)
 Antonio, b. 25 Jan 1762 (img 64)

 These by Miguel do Monte, the elder:
 Izidorio b. 4 Mar 1755 (img 30)
 Barbara b. 23 Jul 1758 (img 55)
 (This was the last child that I found for them)

 Mel
  


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Anyone researching Antonio do Monte/Agada Rapozo Achada/Nordestinho?

2014-06-07 Thread JR
I noticed the marriage records of Achada are in tatters in 1755 and the 
last entry is May-1755; and 1756 and 1757 are missing entirely. As we 
discussed, there is a Miguel born to MIguel Monte and Maria Costa, 1734, so 
Miguel mancebo probably married another Teresa Furtada circa 1755, shortly 
after May 1755, and this would coincide with baptism of first child in May 
1756.

JR

On Saturday, June 7, 2014 4:25:22 PM UTC-4, JR wrote:

 Very good work Mel !!. I have one record that does say mancebo with a note 
 attached. There are small periods in Achada which are unreadable, perhaps 
 Miguel mancebo married in one of those, or somewhere else. That obito does 
 say Jan 15- 1762.  The search goes on

 On Saturday, June 7, 2014 1:40:33 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote:


 John, Eliseu, and Aaron,

 Last night I worked in the baptismals for 1751-1770.  I started at 1756 
 as I lucked out by clicking on the exact page that had a do Monte on it.  I 
 then went forward a few years.  This is what I observed:

 There were two distinct way the records were noted.  One couple listed as 
 Miguel do Monte and Thereza Furtada, the Thereza was always noted as being 
 from Fayal (NS Graca) or some variation of that.  The other couple which 
 was listed as Miguel do Monte Mancebo and Thereza Furtada, both individuals 
 were always listed as being from Achada.

 I remember asking George Pacheco years ago about this term Mancebo and 
 he said it means the younger, similar to how Americans use Junior.

 I noticed that the couple without Mancebo had no baptismal records after 
 1758.  All the other entries were for Miguel do Monte Mancebo.  I decided 
 this must mean the older couple was no longer able to have kids and 
 possibly one of them died.  So off to the Obitos I went where I found the 
 answer to the mystery of the two Miguel do Monte and Thereza Furtada's.

 You will find Thereze Furtada's death record (img 25, bottom left) at 
 this link:

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781_item1/P25.html

 Thereza died at the age of 50 on 15 January (?) 1662.  She is listed as 
 the wife of Miguel do Monte.

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781_item1/P25.html

 Then, Miguel do Monte's death record is image 29, left hand side of the 
 page:

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781/SMG-ND-ACHADA-O-1753-1781_item1/P29.html

 Miguel is listed as widow of Thereza Furtada.  He is 72 years old.  He 
 died 16 Jul 1764...so he even outlived wife #3!

 I'll go back later this weekend and sort out the rest of the children.  I 
 found these listed as by Miguel do Monte Mancebo:
 Maria b. 4 may 1756 (img 39)
 Manoel and Izabel (twins), b 9 May 1759 (img 59)
 Antonio, b. 25 Jan 1762 (img 64)

 These by Miguel do Monte, the elder:
 Izidorio b. 4 Mar 1755 (img 30)
 Barbara b. 23 Jul 1758 (img 55)
 (This was the last child that I found for them)

 Mel
  



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Translation de Melo/Benevides

2014-06-07 Thread smartelli54
 

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1699-1718/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1699-1718_item1/P105.html*
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1699-1718/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1699-1718_item1/P105.html

 

This is for  Bartholameo de Melo  Maria de Benevides.  I am still quite 
new at this.  I see that Bartholameo is the son of Marquesa de Melo.  I am 
not sure what it says next.  Is it unknown father?  I also see that Maria's 
father is Mathias, but not sure what his last name is.
Thank you for helping me out.
Sheri
 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Translation de Melo/Benevides

2014-06-07 Thread nancy jean baptiste
Hi Sheri,
 
Bartholameo has unknown father. My guess of the last name would be an 
abbreviation of Fereirra but that needs to be verified because I'm not sure. 
Natives of Santo Antonio.
 
Nancy Jean
 
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 13:41:55 -0700
From: smartell...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Translation de Melo/Benevides



http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1699-1718/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1699-1718_item1/P105.html

 

This is for  Bartholameo de Melo  Maria de Benevides.  I am still quite new at 
this.  I see that Bartholameo is the son of Marquesa de Melo.  I am not sure 
what it says next.  Is it unknown father?  I also see that Maria's father is 
Mathias, but not sure what his last name is.
Thank you for helping me out.Sheri 






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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Anyone researching Antonio do Monte/Agada Rapozo Achada/Nordestinho?

2014-06-07 Thread Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
Mel, JR, Aaron,

 

By the way great search work Mel!!! I would like to have more free time to work 
on this. :)

 

I am hunting down every MONTE I can find on Ernesto do Canto Index. I have done 
Achada, Achadinha and doing Vila do Nordeste. Until now I have not find any 
MANCEBO.

Regarding to the meaning of the word MANCEBO at that time it is plausible that 
it would have the sense of junior. Junior started to be used (at least) in the 
19th century to distinguish father and son with the same name…

Mancebo, at that time meant also the boys turning 14 and being able to go to 
serve in the army. In the beginning the word meant “slave”, so we can assume 
the main sense of the word “mancebo” as someone who is dependant of someone 
else. So we may accept “mancebo” as “younger”. In our research it would mean 
that 2 MIGUEL MONTE existed at the same time in the same place! So, at least 
they were of the same family. Would they be father and son, or oncle and 
nephew, or cousins, or… ?

Until now I have learnd that there are (at least) MONTE groups in almost 
everywhere: Ribeira Grande: Ribeira Seca, Maia, Porto Formoso, Achada, 
Achadinha, Vila de Nordeste, Ponta Garça, Ponta Delgada…  The big question is 
to understand if they belong to just one and same family…

 

I will be posting  my findings in my web page. 

 

 

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo

( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Translation de Melo/Benevides

2014-06-07 Thread Margaret Vicente
Sheri,

Father's name is Mathias (Matias) Fernandes.

Margaret Vicente



On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 5:22 PM, nancy jean baptiste 
fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi Sheri,

 Bartholameo has unknown father. My guess of the last name would be an
 abbreviation of Fereirra but that needs to be verified because I'm not
 sure. Natives of Santo Antonio.

 Nancy Jean

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 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Translation de Melo/Benevides



 *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1699-1718/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1699-1718_item1/P105.html*
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1699-1718/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1699-1718_item1/P105.html


 This is for  Bartholameo de Melo  Maria de Benevides.  I am still quite
 new at this.  I see that Bartholameo is the son of Marquesa de Melo.  I am
 not sure what it says next.  Is it unknown father?  I also see that Maria's
 father is Mathias, but not sure what his last name is.
 Thank you for helping me out.
 Sheri


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] GRACIOSA - Santa Cruz - Marriage record

2014-06-07 Thread Margaret Vicente
Hi Lee,

The record is for the Matriz of Santa Cruz.

The portion you want to know
moradores ao Bayrro (Bairro) natural e fregueses desta dita Matriz
Living in the Natural Quater (small community) and client of this
aforementioned Matriz ( meaning Santa Cruz)

Margaret Vicente



On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 I need  little help with the marriage of Antonio Correa de Mendonca and
 Anna de Jesus Francisca (right page/bottom record)

 I have a question about the information at the very bottom of the record.
 I can see that it states she/her family are from the Matriz of ? the
 rest I can't make out/or understand.

 Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1710-1741/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1710-1741_item1/P69.html

 Thank you in advance for any help provided.

 Lee Estep,
 Oak Hill, West Virginia


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Translation de Melo/Benevides

2014-06-07 Thread Hermano C. Pires
Sheri,
Here is what I see:
Some of it has already been said!
Bartholameo de Mello (Bartolomeu de Melo), son of Marqueza de Mello (Marquesa 
de Melo) and unknown father, with Maria de Benevides daughter of Mathias 
(Matias) Fernandes and Maria de Benevides, all native of Sto. Antonio where the
betrothed were baptised and fullfiled their Easter obligations.
Hermano
 
 
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 20:31:55 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Translation de Melo/Benevides
From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Sheri,
Father's name is Mathias (Matias) Fernandes.
Margaret Vicente


On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 5:22 PM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com 
wrote:




Hi Sheri,
 
Bartholameo has unknown father. My guess of the last name would be an 
abbreviation of Fereirra but that needs to be verified because I'm not sure. 
Natives of Santo Antonio.
 

Nancy Jean
 
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 13:41:55 -0700
From: smartell...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Translation de Melo/Benevides



http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1699-1718/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1699-1718_item1/P105.html



 


This is for  Bartholameo de Melo  Maria de Benevides.  I am still quite new at 
this.  I see that Bartholameo is the son of Marquesa de Melo.  I am not sure 
what it says next.  Is it unknown father?  I also see that Maria's father is 
Mathias, but not sure what his last name is.

Thank you for helping me out.Sheri 






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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Graciosa - NS da Luz - Marriage Record

2014-06-07 Thread Kawika322
The father's name of the bride on the first marriage is Capitao Antonio 
Fogaça da Silva. The first and middle name combination of Antonio Fogaça 
seems to be have a fair amount of occurrence in Luz and Sao Matheus, and 
probably the other parishes of Guadalupe and Santa Cruz. I myself have 
several Antonio Fogaça in my tree, including that of an Antonio Fogaça da 
Silva from Sao Matheus who was married to Joao Clara de Sao Domingo. I also 
have have two Antonio Fogaça de Ataide's, and an Antonio Fogaça Neto. 

I am not sure where the groom Manuel de Bettencourt Avila  is from. It does 
not appear to state anything in particular other than from the parish the 
marriage was in. 
I looked through the marriage indexes from Santa Cruz and did not find his 
parents, so I do not think they were from there. Probably are from Luz but 
try Sao Matheus and Guadalupe. 


David


On Saturday, June 7, 2014 5:09:57 AM UTC-7, Lee wrote:

 I need some help with the marriage record of Manoel de Bettencourt Avila 
 and Isabel de Ponte da Sylva (right page/top record).
  
 I know the date is October 13, 1755.
  
 His parents are Manoel de Mendonca Sodre and Maria Medina de Bettencourt.
 Her parents are Capitao Antonio ??? da Sylva and Maria Novais Machado
  
 *The main question that I have is - Where is the groom from??*
  

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798_item1/P3.html
  
 This is Manoel de Bettencourt Avila's first marriage, the 2nd is 
  

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798_item1/P48.html
  
 (left page/bottom and right page top)
  
 In this record it says he and his bride (Maria de Jesus de Bettencourt) 
 are all from this fregusia.  However, I can find no information on his 
 parents in this parish.
  
 Any help/information would be greatly appreciated.
  
 Thank you in advance for any help provided.
  
 Lee Estep, 
 Oak Hill, West Virginia
  
  
  
  
  


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Anyone researching Antonio do Monte/Agada Rapozo Achada/Nordestinho?

2014-06-07 Thread IslandRoutes
To all,
Thanks!  But, Dan should get part of the credit.  He was the one who 
noticed that I had married off Miguel do Monte, the son, to his step mother 
(oops!)I know that I am my own cousin a couple of times, but this would 
be just a little too close.  LOL

JR-that gap in the Achada records is problematic.  It's possible they 
married in a different village, but not having those 2-3 years to compare 
to is frustrating.  I think we can safely put it somewhere around 1755.

Eliseu,
Thanks for the definition of Mancebo.  I didn't know about the definition 
pertaining to eligibility for military service.  I saw it with another of 
my families where the father and son were still alive.

I was curious if in your search in Cantos index if you came across the 
Antonio do Monte who also had a son Miguel do Monte in Achada who started 
this whole conversation?  It's interesting that they are so widespread.  I 
need to look through some of the work in later years.  Besides Miguel do 
Monte, the father and the son, and this Antonio do Monte, I did not come 
across the surname otherwise.

And, now to confuse this whole mess.  I realized last night as I was 
piecing all the families together that  Antonio dos Reis, daughter of 
Miguel do Monte I and Maria da Costa, married Manoel Correia.  I would like 
to verify that Antonio Correia was the son of Antonio Correia and Barbara 
de Almeyda.  Is that what others have?  If so, he is the brother of my 
ancestor, Estavao Correia (m. Anna de Mello)  I have some of the other 
siblings of the Correia family if anyone is interested.

Mel

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Are there traditions for where a couple is married (mid 1700s)?

2014-06-07 Thread IslandRoutes
I think I might have an extra clue in this mystery.  Estevao's brother, 
Mathias Correa, married Maria de Mello.  I'm seeing her in records as being 
from Fenais da Luz.  So perhaps Estevao's wife, Anna de Mello, are 
sisters.  If I find Mathias and Maria's marriage record, maybe it will lead 
me to Anna.

On Friday, May 30, 2014 7:16:01 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:

 Well you could go to Fenais da Luz and find a Melo family that married 
 circa 20-30 years before Ana de Melo married in 1755. Say 1725-1735. There 
 may be only one or two, then you could look up baptism from that point 
 forward. It's something to consider now that the records are online.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA information (New Admin; Conference Sale; AncestryDNA)

2014-06-07 Thread Marilyn Thompson
So they only get the data not the actual sample? Just thinking if someone
would want to upgrade their testing, then what?



On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 For those who want to know..

 They get your data from Ancestry or 23 and Me and put it into their
 system, then run matches to FTDNA, and create you a page.  I'm sure there's
 more detail to it, but that's the basics, I think.


 Cheri Mello
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 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
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