Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bispo de Souza, Sao Miguel island to Hawaii, 1872-1924
There are Sousa Bispo families in Arrifes, São Pedro Ponta Delgada and Sao Jose Ponta Delgada On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Repost for Shirley Allegre, shirldg at digitalpath.net Hi Everyone: I am trying to help a friend find his ancestors. I need all of you to keep an eye out for the following: Jose Bispo Bishop de Souza born: 28 Jan 1872, *Sao Miguel* island. (Don't know which village.) died: 21 Nov 1924, Makawao, Maui, Hawaii Parents: Jose Souza X Amalia Raphael. Any and all help will be appreciated. Thanks. Shirley in CA -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- www.georgepacheco.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda
It looks like Rocha to me. If it were Arruda the prefix before would be “de” and not “da” as written. The rest I agree with. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rodney Figueiredo Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 8:30 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda Thanks for the help. I thought that's what it said, but a second set of eyes is always helpful. Arruda huh? I thought it said da Rocha. I will take a closer look at the bride's family. Thanks! On Thursday, August 7, 2014 4:48:21 PM UTC-4, Rodney Figueiredo wrote: I need help deciphering the groom's parents on the marriage record for Sebastião de Pimentel and Martha de Resende. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1730-1772/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1730-1772_item1/P67.html I can't make out the parents of the groom, other than the last name of the mother which I've identified as Pimentel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda
but I've seen it written all together like d'arruda On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: *It looks like Rocha to me. If it were Arruda the prefix before would be “de” and not “da” as written. The rest I agree with.* *Rick* *Richard Francis Pimentel* *Epping, NH* *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Rodney Figueiredo *Sent:* Friday, August 8, 2014 8:30 AM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda Thanks for the help. I thought that's what it said, but a second set of eyes is always helpful. Arruda huh? I thought it said da Rocha. I will take a closer look at the bride's family. Thanks! On Thursday, August 7, 2014 4:48:21 PM UTC-4, Rodney Figueiredo wrote: I need help deciphering the groom's parents on the marriage record for Sebastião de Pimentel and Martha de Resende. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1730-1772/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1730-1772_item1/P67.html I can't make out the parents of the groom, other than the last name of the mother which I've identified as Pimentel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu Follow us at *Twitter / @NYUart https://twitter.com/NYUartInstagram / @nyuart http://instagram.com/nyuart* *Facebook / NYU Art Department https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389* -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda
MaryAnn, Don't know if you require confirmation but the name as written on the document is Manuel da Ruda (old way of writing de Arruda or d'Arruda). On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 9:24 AM, MaryAnn Santos m...@nyu.edu wrote: but I've seen it written all together like d'arruda On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: *It looks like Rocha to me. If it were Arruda the prefix before would be “de” and not “da” as written. The rest I agree with.* *Rick* *Richard Francis Pimentel* *Epping, NH* *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Rodney Figueiredo *Sent:* Friday, August 8, 2014 8:30 AM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda Thanks for the help. I thought that's what it said, but a second set of eyes is always helpful. Arruda huh? I thought it said da Rocha. I will take a closer look at the bride's family. Thanks! On Thursday, August 7, 2014 4:48:21 PM UTC-4, Rodney Figueiredo wrote: I need help deciphering the groom's parents on the marriage record for Sebastião de Pimentel and Martha de Resende. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1730-1772/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1730-1772_item1/P67.html I can't make out the parents of the groom, other than the last name of the mother which I've identified as Pimentel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu Follow us at *Twitter / @NYUart https://twitter.com/NYUartInstagram / @nyuart http://instagram.com/nyuart* *Facebook / NYU Art Department https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389* -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda
Thanks, Margaret. Yes, I've seenArruda it written that way. I also just came across Duarte written du or do Arte but this record was from Armamar, mainland Portugal. mas On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote: MaryAnn, Don't know if you require confirmation but the name as written on the document is Manuel da Ruda (old way of writing de Arruda or d'Arruda). On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 9:24 AM, MaryAnn Santos m...@nyu.edu wrote: but I've seen it written all together like d'arruda On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: *It looks like Rocha to me. If it were Arruda the prefix before would be “de” and not “da” as written. The rest I agree with.* *Rick* *Richard Francis Pimentel* *Epping, NH* *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Rodney Figueiredo *Sent:* Friday, August 8, 2014 8:30 AM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda Thanks for the help. I thought that's what it said, but a second set of eyes is always helpful. Arruda huh? I thought it said da Rocha. I will take a closer look at the bride's family. Thanks! On Thursday, August 7, 2014 4:48:21 PM UTC-4, Rodney Figueiredo wrote: I need help deciphering the groom's parents on the marriage record for Sebastião de Pimentel and Martha de Resende. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1730-1772/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1730-1772_item1/P67.html I can't make out the parents of the groom, other than the last name of the mother which I've identified as Pimentel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu Follow us at *Twitter / @NYUart https://twitter.com/NYUartInstagram / @nyuart http://instagram.com/nyuart* *Facebook / NYU Art Department https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389* -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu Follow us at *Twitter / @NYUart https://twitter.com/NYUartInstagram / @nyuart http://instagram.com/nyuart* *Facebook / NYU Art Department https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389* -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and
[AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos
I'm sure this topic has been discussed here before, but I don't recall seeing it. When an exposto was born and baptized and given to a family to be raised, did he take on the adopting family's names, or did he use his real parents names? Did the new parents always know who the real parents were? These were small villages and everybody basically knew everybody's business. It didn't take long for news to travel from one end of Mayberry to the other, right? Herb -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] UPEC Records
I just found the record for my grandfather, who I never met and was told died on a return trip to “the old country”. If he indeed did die in the Azores, would a UPEC policy have paid my grandmother in California? If so, what proof would she have to have shown them and any idea how I could get that proof? He died in 1936 - 1938 time frame. Thanks, Sam (soon to be leaving NC) Sent from Windows Mail -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] UPEC Records
Sam, the monies would have been paid to whoever he named as the beneficiary on the policy. What that person would have to show as ‘proof’, who knows. It is not stated on the death claim registers. I do know that many of the single men named their parents or just Mom as the beneficiary and that they lived in the Old Country. When they got married they then changed the beneficiary to their new wife and then later if the wife died they changed it to their children if they had any. How the UPEC paid the people in the Azores is a mystery to me because most of the time there is just a name listed with Sao Jorge or Flores etc.! Rosemarie From: aportugee via Azores Genealogy Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 7:33 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] UPEC Records I just found the record for my grandfather, who I never met and was told died on a return trip to “the old country”. If he indeed did die in the Azores, would a UPEC policy have paid my grandmother in California? If so, what proof would she have to have shown them and any idea how I could get that proof? He died in 1936 - 1938 time frame. Thanks, Sam (soon to be leaving NC) Sent from Windows Mail -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] UPEC Records
Rosemarie; The beneficiary name on the record shows “Maria” which was my grandmother’s name. Many times you find a record that has the same exact name as your ancestor only to find out it isn’t your ancestor later on. The name “Maria” is almost like no name since so many of the females had that name. As in this case, I’m often stymied as to how to be sure I have the right person…. There are many stories about this grandfather and I would love to find out just where and in what circumstances he did die. I was surprised to find a UPEC record with, perhaps, his death date and benefits being paid out if he had, in fact, died in the Azores.. but; if they paid out benefits to people in the Azores when someone dies in CA, it would also make sense that they paid them to people in CA when the person died in the Azores. Thanks, Sam Sent from Windows Mail From: rcap...@redshift.com Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 10:51 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Sam, the monies would have been paid to whoever he named as the beneficiary on the policy. What that person would have to show as ‘proof’, who knows. It is not stated on the death claim registers. I do know that many of the single men named their parents or just Mom as the beneficiary and that they lived in the Old Country. When they got married they then changed the beneficiary to their new wife and then later if the wife died they changed it to their children if they had any. How the UPEC paid the people in the Azores is a mystery to me because most of the time there is just a name listed with Sao Jorge or Flores etc.! Rosemarie -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos
In my researching experience, I have noted the following: When people from the villages went to the convents in Ponta Delgada and Ribeira Grande to have foundling babies placed with them, there was not, necessarily, a connection between the foster parent and the baby. As for the villages, if an unmarried (or widowed) woman was pregnant, I think that in such small places where everybody knew everybody else, I doubt that the pregnancy could go unnoticed. And, the parish priest, who heard confessions at a time when people really worried about what would happen if they died in a state of mortal sin, must have known what his penitents were up to. I think that when a baby was left at somebody's door in a small village, everybody knew, or thought they knew, who the mother (and maybe the father) were. Sometimes these children might have been left at the doors of relatives, but they would have required a nursemaid, i.e.a woman with breast milk. As for names, again, there is no one answer. Babies who were placed with and stayed with the same family to adulthood (as opposed to being shipped out as servants from family to family) sometimes took the family name. Sometimes an exposto took a name, e.g. Bettencourt, with no apparent rime or reason. However, a closer look shows that the Bettencourts were a prominent family in the village and perhaps it was an open secret that this baby was the offspring of the squire's son (or daughter). Infant mortality for expostos was much higher than among non-exposto babies. The state paid a stipend for the first few months of life for babies placed with nursing foster-mothers. When the subsidy stopped, the infant mortality rate rose substantially. Eça de Queiroz touched on this subject in his novel O Crime do Padre Amaro; one of the characters made her living by taking in unwanted/illegitimate babies of the socially promminent and arranging for their deaths. Eloise Cadinha, a member of the List, sent me her notes on this subject, and with my thanks to Eloise, I am enclose them: Most of us as we research our ancestors will find an exposto or two. It is indeed miraculous that they were able to survive to adulthood, to marry and to have children. Expostos - a translation. A very sad situation. The following is my poor translation of part of an article written by Henrique Bras 1884-1984) in Boletim de Instituto Histórico da ilha Terceira, 1947. In the last three centuries there is a long list of filhos da igreja (children of the church), also known at times as baptism records, of unknown fathers and mothers in the parish registers of Terceira, who were often baptized with the most noble or notable or the very rich people of Terceira who stood as godparents. At a more recent time the number of children secretly abandoned at the rodas (wheels) had greatly increased, and in spite of the many recently born innocents who died when abandoned, and of the few to whom the fear of discovery still did not keep them from strangling babies before they saw the light of day. Providing the support of these children who survived became on of the most difficult problems for the various city halls on the island, demanding a new special tax...which the people agreed was needed but not without grumbling and finding fault with the new tax. On April 29, 1800, the Conde de Almada, Captitão General of the Azores, in Angra, informed an official of the Royal Court that in the ten years the cathedral registered annually an average of 97 expostos baptized and also registered an average of 83 who had died! And this was only those engeitados (abandoned ones) who had arrived at the cathedral to be baptized, those that had been left in the Casa da Roda, and this record was only for Angra. The city council continued without resources to provide for these children and thought about creating a lottery for that purpose. It needs to be said: with a population of about 10 to 12 thousand people, there were yearly on an average 97 recently born abandoned children of unknown parents, legally registered and of which 83 of these died -- naturally by affectionate handling, sheltered and well wrapped care. [My note: the author mentions Carlota, a weaver of Angels, from the famous novel by Eça de Queiroz, . I asked a cousin if he knew of this novel, O Crime do Padre Amaro, and he said that he had read it long ago, and it was about a woman who got rid of unwanted infants. She killed them by wrapping them up and drowning them in the river. She was referred to as something like the maker of angels. The idea being that she was creating angels by killing them.] On the October 20, 1782, the vicar of the diocese of Angra, Dr. João Vieira de Bettencourt, gave the rector of the cathedral, Pedro da Camara Merens, the commission to organize a private book to register the baptisms and deaths of these abandoned children. In the year of 1783 there were registered 120
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda
The first rule in spelling in Portuguese is that there is no rules. Thanks Margaret for explaining the old way of writing Arruda. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Vicente Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:46 AM To: azores Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda MaryAnn, Don't know if you require confirmation but the name as written on the document is Manuel da Ruda (old way of writing de Arruda or d'Arruda). On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 9:24 AM, MaryAnn Santos m...@nyu.edu wrote: but I've seen it written all together like d'arruda On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: It looks like Rocha to me. If it were Arruda the prefix before would be “de” and not “da” as written. The rest I agree with. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rodney Figueiredo Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 8:30 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda Thanks for the help. I thought that's what it said, but a second set of eyes is always helpful. Arruda huh? I thought it said da Rocha. I will take a closer look at the bride's family. Thanks! On Thursday, August 7, 2014 4:48:21 PM UTC-4, Rodney Figueiredo wrote: I need help deciphering the groom's parents on the marriage record for Sebastião de Pimentel and Martha de Resende. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1730-1772/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1730-1772_item1/P67.html I can't make out the parents of the groom, other than the last name of the mother which I've identified as Pimentel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- MaryAnn Santos Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu Follow us at Twitter / https://twitter.com/NYUart @NYUart Instagram / http://instagram.com/nyuart @nyuart Facebook / https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389 NYU Art Department -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos
Thank you, John. I had forgotten about Father Amara and as an aside, *The Sins of Father Amaro* is an excellent read - as are all of the Queiroz books I've read. MaryAnn On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 1:16 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com wrote: In my researching experience, I have noted the following: When people from the villages went to the convents in Ponta Delgada and Ribeira Grande to have foundling babies placed with them, there was not, necessarily, a connection between the foster parent and the baby. As for the villages, if an unmarried (or widowed) woman was pregnant, I think that in such small places where everybody knew everybody else, I doubt that the pregnancy could go unnoticed. And, the parish priest, who heard confessions at a time when people really worried about what would happen if they died in a state of mortal sin, must have known what his penitents were up to. I think that when a baby was left at somebody's door in a small village, everybody knew, or thought they knew, who the mother (and maybe the father) were. Sometimes these children might have been left at the doors of relatives, but they would have required a nursemaid, i.e.a woman with breast milk. As for names, again, there is no one answer. Babies who were placed with and stayed with the same family to adulthood (as opposed to being shipped out as servants from family to family) sometimes took the family name. Sometimes an exposto took a name, e.g. Bettencourt, with no apparent rime or reason. However, a closer look shows that the Bettencourts were a prominent family in the village and perhaps it was an open secret that this baby was the offspring of the squire's son (or daughter). Infant mortality for expostos was much higher than among non-exposto babies. The state paid a stipend for the first few months of life for babies placed with nursing foster-mothers. When the subsidy stopped, the infant mortality rate rose substantially. Eça de Queiroz touched on this subject in his novel O Crime do Padre Amaro; one of the characters made her living by taking in unwanted/illegitimate babies of the socially promminent and arranging for their deaths. Eloise Cadinha, a member of the List, sent me her notes on this subject, and with my thanks to Eloise, I am enclose them: Most of us as we research our ancestors will find an exposto or two. It is indeed miraculous that they were able to survive to adulthood, to marry and to have children. Expostos - a translation. A very sad situation. The following is my poor translation of part of an article written by Henrique Bras 1884-1984) in *Boletim de Instituto Histórico da ilha Terceira*, 1947. In the last three centuries there is a long list of *filhos da igreja* (children of the church), also known at times as baptism records, of unknown fathers and mothers in the parish registers of Terceira, who were often baptized with the most noble or notable or the very rich people of Terceira who stood as godparents. At a more recent time the number of children secretly abandoned at the *rodas* (wheels) had greatly increased, and in spite of the many recently born innocents who died when abandoned, and of the few to whom the fear of discovery still did not keep them from strangling babies before they saw the light of day. Providing the support of these children who survived became on of the most difficult problems for the various city halls on the island, demanding a new special tax...which the people agreed was needed but not without grumbling and finding fault with the new tax. On April 29, 1800, the Conde de Almada, Captitão General of the Azores, in Angra, informed an official of the Royal Court that in the ten years the cathedral registered annually an average of 97 *expostos* baptized and also registered an average of 83 who had died! And this was only those *engeitados* (abandoned ones) who had arrived at the cathedral to be baptized, those that had been left in the *Casa da Roda*, and this record was only for Angra. The city council continued without resources to provide for these children and thought about creating a lottery for that purpose. It needs to be said: with a population of about 10 to 12 thousand people, there were yearly on an average 97 recently born abandoned children of unknown parents, legally registered and of which 83 of these died -- naturally by affectionate handling, sheltered and well wrapped care. [My note: the author mentions Carlota, a weaver of Angels, from the famous novel by Eça de Queiroz, . I asked a cousin if he knew of this novel, *O Crime do Padre Amaro, *and he said that he had read it long ago, and it was about a woman who got rid of unwanted infants. She killed them by wrapping them up and drowning them in the river. She was referred to as something like the maker of angels. The idea being that she was creating angels by killing
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda
I think the only rule may have been to sound it out. So if in doubt, ask your 5 or 6 year old grandkid or local neighborhood kid. I but the results are quite similar! Lol Cheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Finder Matches to the British Isles and Ireland
I'm aware of the Flemish and other groups that peopled the Azores, but this has always been my issue nearly a year now, where I believe some of this may be IBS (identity by state), although some people try to argue me against this. This would mean basically people have similar genes/allelles in any given population, although at one point in time, people inherited this trait from a person. So say a certain population many people will have freckles and red hair, and scattered randomly throughout a given population. That is due to IBS, and maybe some segments are basically just that. Then you have IBD (identity by descent) where you actually do have a MRCA (most recent common ancestor) within a genealogical time frame. But this is where the math/statistics come in. I don't know how much are you talking about. 10cm? 7cm? You can use this as a guide: http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_statistics cM % IBD % IBS 10 99 1 9 80 20 8 50 50 7 30 70 6 20 80 5 5 95 See the link and scroll down to the section of IDENTICAL BY DESCENT SEGMENTS. Based on John Walden's research (not sure who he is) he came up with that list. So if you share 10cM, that is a 99% chance of it being IBD. If it's 7cM, there is a 30% it's IBD, but a 70% IBS. I've been seeing a few of my small matches mostly where I know they cannot have a connection to me. Someone else said it wasn't IBS, but the fact is there is no known study (that I'm aware of) that addresses this issue. This is all new. Kalani On Monday, August 4, 2014 8:21:53 AM UTC-7, A Faria wrote: Hi Everyone My ancestry is 100% Azorean but I have noticed that I have a significant amount of matches to people with heavy amounts of British ancestry and that show no evidence of Portuguese ancestry with regards to their surnames and genealogies, some posting genealogies as far back as the 1700's. My matches are very dispersed geographically with ancestries in the United States, Australia, Britain and Ireland. I would like to float the theory that these matches could be from shared Flemish ancestry I did a little research and have uncovered documentation of Flemish settlement to Britain starting in 1066, the Flemish were allies with the Normans and participated in the Norman Invasion with the result being land shifting to Norman and Flemish invaders. This population movement apparently continued for centuries this resulted in a profound benefit to the cloth industry in Flanders with England and Scotland providing the bulk of the wool. Many of us already know that some Azoreans have heavy amounts of Flemish ancestry our surnames and DNA results support that fact, but I was unaware of the Flemish impact on the British Isles. I found some interesting links discussing Scotland and the Flemish people that I would like to share. http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/flemish/ http://flemish.wp.st-andrews.ac.uk/ Antonio -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help: Pedro Miguel, Fayal
Help please, I can read pretty much everything but; may be confused about one part… I’m pretty sure the baby, Francisco, was baptized at home because of danger of death and I think it says he was baptized by Maria do Ceo de Coracao (pls excuse the lack of accent) de Jesus married with Antonio Dutra da Rosa. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1876-1890/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1876-1890_item1/P218.html #49, 2nd one on left page Thanks much, Sam Sent from Windows Mail Sent from Windows Mail -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Finder Matches to the British Isles and Ireland
Nice info, Kalani.There is a person in my Family Finder matches who must be one of these IBS links. She did lots of research and it goes way back into TN, KY etc with no hint of any Iberian or Azorean ancestry. She shares a total of 31.66 cM with me and is a projected 4th cousin - remote cousin. In case she's showing up in others matches, her name is Barbbette Hopkins Von Halle.Of the 10 segments we share, 13.1 cM is the longest and so according to your quoted chart would be a 99% chance of a common ancestor. But I think it falls into the other category. When I can't even find connections to people with known Azores ancestry and know back to the 1600s in many cases, I think the chances of someone like above has pretty much zero Azores ancestry and is IBS. And no chance in Hades she's a fourth cousin.And with so many Germanic matches on my maternal side, I think a great many of them are also IBS. Maybe they have that "Germanic look" and no actual common ancestry.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Finder Matches to the British Isles and Ireland From: Kalani N mamoah...@gmail.com Date: Fri, August 08, 2014 12:16 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com I'm aware of the Flemish and other groups that peopled the Azores, but this has always been my issue nearly a year now, where I believe some of this may be IBS (identity by state), although some people try to argue me against this. This would mean basically people have similar genes/allelles in any given population, although at one point in time, people inherited this trait from a person.So say a certain population many people will have freckles and red hair, and scattered randomly throughout a given population. That is due to IBS, and maybe some segments are basically just that. Then you have IBD (identity by descent) where you actually do have a MRCA (most recent common ancestor) within a genealogical time frame.But this is where the math/statistics come in. I don't know how much are you talking about. 10cm? 7cm? You can use this as a guide:http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_statisticscM % IBD % IBS10 99 19 80 208 50 507 30 706 20 805 5 95 See the link and scroll down to the section of IDENTICAL BY DESCENT SEGMENTS. Based on John Walden's research (not sure who he is) he came up with that list. So if you share 10cM, that is a 99% chance of it being IBD. If it's 7cM, there is a 30% it's IBD, but a 70% IBS.I've been seeing a few of my small matches mostly where I know they cannot have a connection to me. Someone else said it wasn't IBS, but the fact is there is no known study (that I'm aware of) that addresses this issue. This is all new.Kalani -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Update on the Portuguese Genealogical Society of Hawaii
We are now located at 1616 Liliha St. suite 308. the phone number is the same (808) 841-5044. there is parking in the rear of the building for visitors. one must take the elevator to 3rd floor, then buzz our suite. someone will come and open the door to our floor. our mailing address is 99-077 Hokio Place, Aiea, HI 96701. Thank You Dan Nelson, president Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:29:57 -1000 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Update on the Portuguese Genealogical Society of Hawaii From: tanya808sm...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Good news! On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 10:46 AM, IslandRoutes insearchofthehumanspi...@gmail.com wrote: Another update on the PGSH: I am told that they have a new location. However, the address and phone number have not been handed out yet. I'm guessing it will take a couple of weeks for everything to be settled and then moved. I will posted when I know more. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Finder Matches to the British Isles and Ireland
I think 13.1cM as the longest block is pretty distant but it's doable with the total of 31cM. I had someone about that amount and traced a lot of her ancestors and wasn't able to find a connection. But from someone else who had ties to the same town as this person and my paternal grandmother, we shared 52cM, and I traced his ancestors too. Although predicted 3rd - 4th cousins, I found that we were 5th cousins but noticed in the process a surname that appears on my tree. So we're related two ways, but was unable to verify that 2nd connection. So this may be the case for you. But you listed that Woman's name, seems german von, not sure if that's her married name or not. Could be IBS thru Flemish (van). But it's hard. The best way to figure these out is triangulation. Even that I'm still a novice a, but learning fast. :) K On Friday, August 8, 2014 1:09:30 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Nice info, Kalani. There is a person in my Family Finder matches who must be one of these IBS links. She did lots of research and it goes way back into TN, KY etc with no hint of any Iberian or Azorean ancestry. She shares a total of 31.66 cM with me and is a projected 4th cousin - remote cousin. In case she's showing up in others matches, her name is Barbbette Hopkins Von Halle. Of the 10 segments we share, 13.1 cM is the longest and so according to your quoted chart would be a 99% chance of a common ancestor. But I think it falls into the other category. When I can't even find connections to people with known Azores ancestry and know back to the 1600s in many cases, I think the chances of someone like above has pretty much zero Azores ancestry and is IBS. And no chance in Hades she's a fourth cousin. And with so many Germanic matches on my maternal side, I think a great many of them are also IBS. Maybe they have that Germanic look and no actual common ancestry. Doug da Rocha Holmes Pico Terceira Genealogist = Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants. Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com javascript: = Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Finder Matches to the British Isles and Ireland From: Kalani N mamo...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Fri, August 08, 2014 12:16 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: I'm aware of the Flemish and other groups that peopled the Azores, but this has always been my issue nearly a year now, where I believe some of this may be IBS (identity by state), although some people try to argue me against this. This would mean basically people have similar genes/allelles in any given population, although at one point in time, people inherited this trait from a person. So say a certain population many people will have freckles and red hair, and scattered randomly throughout a given population. That is due to IBS, and maybe some segments are basically just that. Then you have IBD (identity by descent) where you actually do have a MRCA (most recent common ancestor) within a genealogical time frame. But this is where the math/statistics come in. I don't know how much are you talking about. 10cm? 7cm? You can use this as a guide: http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_statistics cM % IBD % IBS 10 99 1 9 80 20 8 50 50 7 30 70 6 20 80 5 5 95 See the link and scroll down to the section of IDENTICAL BY DESCENT SEGMENTS. Based on John Walden's research (not sure who he is) he came up with that list. So if you share 10cM, that is a 99% chance of it being IBD. If it's 7cM, there is a 30% it's IBD, but a 70% IBS. I've been seeing a few of my small matches mostly where I know they cannot have a connection to me. Someone else said it wasn't IBS, but the fact is there is no known study (that I'm aware of) that addresses this issue. This is all new. Kalani -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bispo de Souza, Sao Miguel island to Hawaii, 1872-1924
Thank you so much. This will be a big help Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: George Pacheco To: Azores-Gen Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bispo de Souza, Sao Miguel island to Hawaii, 1872-1924 There are Sousa Bispo families in Arrifes, São Pedro Ponta Delgada and Sao Jose Ponta Delgada On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Repost for Shirley Allegre, shirldg at digitalpath.net Hi Everyone: I am trying to help a friend find his ancestors. I need all of you to keep an eye out for the following: Jose Bispo Bishop de Souza born: 28 Jan 1872, Sao Miguel island. (Don't know which village.) died: 21 Nov 1924, Makawao, Maui, Hawaii Parents: Jose Souza X Amalia Raphael. Any and all help will be appreciated. Thanks. Shirley in CA -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- www.georgepacheco.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Finder Matches to the British Isles and Ireland
She shows as a 3rd cousin to my father and the exact same 13.1 cM longest block.She shows as a 3rd cousin to my cousin with 33.31 shared cM and 18.90 longest block.But I made a mistake earlier and confused her with another. She has no tree posted, but Hopkins is her maiden name, I think. There are some names that could have been Americanized - Henry could be Henrique. Cameron could be Camarao which I have, and Elliott could be another. Common matches for triangulation purposes are also in TN. Maybe there's some truth to that Portuguese Melungeon theory, but that is more likely from black ancestors and a political designation.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Finder Matches to the British Isles and Ireland From: Kalani N mamoah...@gmail.com Date: Fri, August 08, 2014 1:57 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Cc: mamoah...@gmail.com I think 13.1cM as the longest block is pretty distant but it's doable with the total of 31cM. I had someone about that amount and traced a lot of her ancestors and wasn't able to find a connection. But from someone else who had ties to the same town as this person and my paternal grandmother, we shared 52cM, and I traced his ancestors too. Although predicted 3rd - 4th cousins, I found that we were 5th cousins but noticed in the process a surname that appears on my tree. So we're related two ways, but was unable to verify that 2nd connection.So this may be the case for you. But you listed that Woman's name, seems german "von", not sure if that's her married name or not. Could be IBS thru Flemish (van). But it's hard. The best way to figure these out is triangulation. Even that I'm still a novice a, but learning fast. :)K -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda
Hi Mary Ann. I would like to let you know that the “da Ruda” form you are stating never existed in Portuguese language :) De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Margaret Vicente Enviada: sexta-feira, 8 de Agosto de 2014 13:46 Para: azores Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda MaryAnn, Don't know if you require confirmation but the name as written on the document is Manuel da Ruda (old way of writing de Arruda or d'Arruda). On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 9:24 AM, MaryAnn Santos m...@nyu.edu mailto:m...@nyu.edu wrote: but I've seen it written all together like d'arruda On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net mailto:rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: It looks like Rocha to me. If it were Arruda the prefix before would be “de” and not “da” as written. The rest I agree with. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH From: azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Rodney Figueiredo Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 8:30 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda Thanks for the help. I thought that's what it said, but a second set of eyes is always helpful. Arruda huh? I thought it said da Rocha. I will take a closer look at the bride's family. Thanks! On Thursday, August 7, 2014 4:48:21 PM UTC-4, Rodney Figueiredo wrote: I need help deciphering the groom's parents on the marriage record for Sebastião de Pimentel and Martha de Resende. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1730-1772/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1730-1772_item1/P67.html I can't make out the parents of the groom, other than the last name of the mother which I've identified as Pimentel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- MaryAnn Santos Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 tel:212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu mailto:m...@nyu.edu Follow us at Twitter / https://twitter.com/NYUart @NYUart Instagram / http://instagram.com/nyuart @nyuart Facebook / https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389 NYU Art Department -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda
No rules in spelling Portuguese?!?!?! :) You guys are kidding, right?!?!?! :) De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Richard Francis Pimentel Enviada: sexta-feira, 8 de Agosto de 2014 17:34 Para: azores@googlegroups.com Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda The first rule in spelling in Portuguese is that there is no rules. Thanks Margaret for explaining the old way of writing Arruda. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH From: azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Vicente Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:46 AM To: azores Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda MaryAnn, Don't know if you require confirmation but the name as written on the document is Manuel da Ruda (old way of writing de Arruda or d'Arruda). On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 9:24 AM, MaryAnn Santos m...@nyu.edu mailto:m...@nyu.edu wrote: but I've seen it written all together like d'arruda On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net mailto:rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: It looks like Rocha to me. If it were Arruda the prefix before would be “de” and not “da” as written. The rest I agree with. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH From: azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Rodney Figueiredo Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 8:30 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda Thanks for the help. I thought that's what it said, but a second set of eyes is always helpful. Arruda huh? I thought it said da Rocha. I will take a closer look at the bride's family. Thanks! On Thursday, August 7, 2014 4:48:21 PM UTC-4, Rodney Figueiredo wrote: I need help deciphering the groom's parents on the marriage record for Sebastião de Pimentel and Martha de Resende. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1730-1772/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1730-1772_item1/P67.html I can't make out the parents of the groom, other than the last name of the mother which I've identified as Pimentel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- MaryAnn Santos Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 tel:212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu mailto:m...@nyu.edu Follow us at Twitter / https://twitter.com/NYUart @NYUart Instagram / http://instagram.com/nyuart @nyuart Facebook / https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389 NYU Art Department -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Finder Matches to the British Isles and Ireland
The Melungeon theory and Portuguese was completely debunked. It was published in the Journal of Genetic Genealogy. Search Roberta Estes' blog on it. She probably wrote about it. I think she was one of the researchers involved or assisted the researchers. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda
Eliseu, Yeah, we're kidding. Well, I'm kidding. I think we all know back in time that if you could write, you were lucky. Many had a lower level of literacy (better than nothing), but spelling was lacking for many. They tried. And I know it wasn't just the Azores. I see it with earlier American records too. And then there are always those people who aren't good spellers. It was funny growing up. My dad loved to do the TV Guide crossword puzzles, but would ask me or my sister how to spell a word. We'd giggle and spell it for him! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Finder Matches to the British Isles and Ireland
Hi Kalani I have six of those matches with people with primarily British ancestry sharing a total of 23-30 CM I will list the longest segments 9.71CM 8.35CM 8.4CM 7.85CM 8.32CM 8.74CM My father has three also sharing approximately the same total amount of shared CM. I will also list his longest matched segements. 13.34CM 12.54CM 9.04CM Antonio Based on the table you provided I consider these numbers a significant clue in my particular case because of my known ancestry and history of the settlement of the Azores. On Friday, August 8, 2014 12:16:50 PM UTC-7, Kalani N wrote: I'm aware of the Flemish and other groups that peopled the Azores, but this has always been my issue nearly a year now, where I believe some of this may be IBS (identity by state), although some people try to argue me against this. This would mean basically people have similar genes/allelles in any given population, although at one point in time, people inherited this trait from a person. So say a certain population many people will have freckles and red hair, and scattered randomly throughout a given population. That is due to IBS, and maybe some segments are basically just that. Then you have IBD (identity by descent) where you actually do have a MRCA (most recent common ancestor) within a genealogical time frame. But this is where the math/statistics come in. I don't know how much are you talking about. 10cm? 7cm? You can use this as a guide: http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_statistics cM % IBD % IBS 10 99 1 9 80 20 8 50 50 7 30 70 6 20 80 5 5 95 See the link and scroll down to the section of IDENTICAL BY DESCENT SEGMENTS. Based on John Walden's research (not sure who he is) he came up with that list. So if you share 10cM, that is a 99% chance of it being IBD. If it's 7cM, there is a 30% it's IBD, but a 70% IBS. I've been seeing a few of my small matches mostly where I know they cannot have a connection to me. Someone else said it wasn't IBS, but the fact is there is no known study (that I'm aware of) that addresses this issue. This is all new. Kalani On Monday, August 4, 2014 8:21:53 AM UTC-7, A Faria wrote: Hi Everyone My ancestry is 100% Azorean but I have noticed that I have a significant amount of matches to people with heavy amounts of British ancestry and that show no evidence of Portuguese ancestry with regards to their surnames and genealogies, some posting genealogies as far back as the 1700's. My matches are very dispersed geographically with ancestries in the United States, Australia, Britain and Ireland. I would like to float the theory that these matches could be from shared Flemish ancestry I did a little research and have uncovered documentation of Flemish settlement to Britain starting in 1066, the Flemish were allies with the Normans and participated in the Norman Invasion with the result being land shifting to Norman and Flemish invaders. This population movement apparently continued for centuries this resulted in a profound benefit to the cloth industry in Flanders with England and Scotland providing the bulk of the wool. Many of us already know that some Azoreans have heavy amounts of Flemish ancestry our surnames and DNA results support that fact, but I was unaware of the Flemish impact on the British Isles. I found some interesting links discussing Scotland and the Flemish people that I would like to share. http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/flemish/ http://flemish.wp.st-andrews.ac.uk/ Antonio -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help: Pedro Miguel, Fayal
Hi, Yes that's what it says because the baby's life was in danger. Priest wrotesuppri todas as cerimonias solenes which means he completed all the baptismal ceremonies because he as baptized at home. Margaret On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 3:37 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com wrote: Help please, I can read pretty much everything but; may be confused about one part… I’m pretty sure the baby, Francisco, was baptized at home because of danger of death and *I think* it says he was baptized by Maria do Ceo de Coracao (pls excuse the lack of accent) de Jesus married with Antonio Dutra da Rosa. *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1876-1890/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1876-1890_item1/P218.html* http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1876-1890/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1876-1890_item1/P218.html #49, 2nd one on left page Thanks much, Sam Sent from Windows Mail Sent from Windows Mail -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help needed on Sao Bento record
Mike S, You need to tell us which details. The date? Name of the baby's grands? Parents of the bride? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda
Eliseu, daRuda may not have existed in formal Portuguese language, but, it certainly was used by the commonfolk in the aldeias, the businessfolk on main street, and the priests addressing their congregations - pronounced the same way it was spelled. It also exists to this day in the hundreds of years of church records that we, genealogists, are grateful still exist. The nasty problem with being a purist, is that every once in a while, one must face reality... :D On Friday, August 8, 2014 6:26:55 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: Hi Mary Ann. I would like to let you know that the “da Ruda” form you are stating never existed in Portuguese language J *De:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *Em nome de *Margaret Vicente *Enviada:* sexta-feira, 8 de Agosto de 2014 13:46 *Para:* azores *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda MaryAnn, Don't know if you require confirmation but the name as written on the document is Manuel da Ruda (old way of writing de Arruda or d'Arruda). On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 9:24 AM, MaryAnn Santos ma...@nyu.edu javascript: wrote: but I've seen it written all together like d'arruda On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancis...@comcast.net javascript: wrote: *It looks like Rocha to me. If it were Arruda the prefix before would be “de” and not “da” as written. The rest I agree with.* *Rick* *Richard Francis Pimentel* *Epping, NH* *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Rodney Figueiredo *Sent:* Friday, August 8, 2014 8:30 AM *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda Thanks for the help. I thought that's what it said, but a second set of eyes is always helpful. Arruda huh? I thought it said da Rocha. I will take a closer look at the bride's family. Thanks! On Thursday, August 7, 2014 4:48:21 PM UTC-4, Rodney Figueiredo wrote: I need help deciphering the groom's parents on the marriage record for Sebastião de Pimentel and Martha de Resende. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1730-1772/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1730-1772_item1/P67.html I can't make out the parents of the groom, other than the last name of the mother which I've identified as Pimentel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 ma...@nyu.edu javascript: Follow us at *Twitter / @NYUart https://twitter.com/NYUartInstagram / @nyuart http://instagram.com/nyuart* *Facebook / NYU Art Department https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389* -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
[AZORES-Genealogy] For those who haven't put the Gedcom up on FTDNA yet
For those who didn't get around to uploading your Gedcoms yet, you won't be able to. They are beta testing the new Gedcom/Family Tree section. I don't know their timeline. So, as a workaround, you can do this: Log into FTDNA Point at your name in toward the upper right corner and click it.. Next screen, click the Genealogy tab This one is hard to describe (I can't exactly reach through the computer and point). There are the 6 tabs: Personal Profile, Contact Information.Privacy and Sharing. Look right under those tabs. There are little hyperlinks: Gedcom/Family Tree, Most Distant Ancestor, and Surnames. Click on Surnames (it's under the Contact Information tab). If you have a big tree, you don't want to manually enter all your names. Your Gedcom will import them for you once they get the new one working. But in the meantime, to prevent your matches from being taken away to the funny farm, you can do this. In the Add a Surname box it says: Surname: type your island here Location: type your freguesias here Hit save. If you have another island, then go to the Add a Surname box again and type the island name for the Surname and the freguesias for the location. So at least your matches can ask who you have in a particular location until they get the trees back up and running. Cheri Mello FTDNA Admin (volunteer) Azores DNA project -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help needed on Sao Bento record
I believe it to be the marriage record for Jose Goncalves Leonardo and Maria do Espirito Santo possibly 11 Sep 1796. (The indexes fo the Sao Bento casamentos are great!) I can't make out much more than that. I'd like confirmation of the date and also the groom and bride's parents information. I can make my way through the more modern records, but In have not trained my eyes to read these abbreviations and not as neat handwriting yet. Thanks, Mike Souza -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda
Who needs to look back in time? Just log in to FaceBook to see the current state of spelling in the modern world. A regression over time Bill From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastião de Pimentel - Marriage in Fenais da Ajuda Eliseu, Yeah, we're kidding. Well, I'm kidding. I think we all know back in time that if you could write, you were lucky. Many had a lower level of literacy (better than nothing), but spelling was lacking for many. They tried. And I know it wasn't just the Azores. I see it with earlier American records too. And then there are always those people who aren't good spellers. It was funny growing up. My dad loved to do the TV Guide crossword puzzles, but would ask me or my sister how to spell a word. We'd giggle and spell it for him! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help needed on Sao Bento record
Hi Mike,You found our most recent common ancestors!Good going.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help needed on Sao Bento record From: "'Mike Souza' via Azores Genealogy" azores@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, August 08, 2014 8:25 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com I believe it to be the marriage record for Jose Goncalves Leonardo and Maria do Espirito Santo possibly 11 Sep 1796. (The indexes fo the Sao Bento casamentos are great!) I can't make out much more than that. I'd like confirmation of the date and also the groom and bride's parents information. I can make my way through the more modern records, but In have not trained my eyes to read these abbreviations and not as neat handwriting yet.Thanks,Mike Souza -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
