Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record question

[Pam Santos]

They made an error

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:31 PM, Fred Estrella 
wrote:

> I'm wondering if anyone knows what the lines through a marriage record
> means. I was reviewing some issues with my tree and found a marriage record
> for my 7th ggparents and noticed lines through the record. Here's the URL
> (record on left lower side; interestingly the record at the top right also
> has lines through it).
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713_item1/P55.html
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Fred
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record question

[Fred Estrella]

I'm wondering if anyone knows what the lines through a marriage record
means. I was reviewing some issues with my tree and found a marriage record
for my 7th ggparents and noticed lines through the record. Here's the URL
(record on left lower side; interestingly the record at the top right also
has lines through it).
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713_item1/P55.html

Thanks in advance,
Fred

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

[Cheri Mello]

If you marked it private and then made a Gedcom and then told FTDNA to make
it private again, it's like a double negativeit negates what you've
already done and UNDOES it.

When you export your Gedcom, do 10 generations then upload it to FTDNA.

I got 4 hours of sleep last night.  Hope Kalani is still up.  If not,
someone will answer you tomorrow.

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:

> Or people living and showing their birthdate when you have it private. I
> also noticed (not sure if someone mentioned this already) that both names
> will not show up for example Manuel de Medeiros Correia it only shows up as
> Manuel Medeiros.
>
> How do you change the number of generations?
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> *They did Bata test the family tree and Cheri was in the loop to review
>> it. Cheri sent it to me to play with and when I sent my comments back to
>> her they were almost the same as hers. It appears that the programmer’s at
>> FTDNA did not hear what we told them. Because it was a Beta test I could
>> only look at the Tree Cheri had and could not look at other trees from the
>> FF matches. The problems I found are no comparison to the ones we are now
>> having with Names showing up as private because there is no death date
>> entered even if the birth date was 1590 and being able to correct the names
>> and edit.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *luiznoia .
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 10, 2014 5:17 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees
>> (Gedcom) is up
>>
>>
>>
>> FTDNA seemed to have overreached with this Family Tree function.
>>
>>
>>
>>  It's clear they took no input from any genealogist  nor thought beyond
>> the most simplistic model of how this would actually work.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Eric for your comment.  I have my names entered a certain way -
>> So let’s say I have José de Paiva (the de is showing up in the middle name
>> field for some reason) and you have the same person as Jose Paiva - then we
>> will not link because of the difference in his name?  That is what I am
>> trying to figure out.  So for me I have no need to change the names in the
>> edit field because I have no idea how someone else would record the name.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick and I have a known connection that we documented years ago but he is
>> not showing up in my list of relatives.  I’m just wondering if this could
>> be why.
>>
>>
>>
>> Denise D’Antona
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick P, can you help Denise? I won't be able to until next week.
>> Cheri
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

[Pam Santos]

Or people living and showing their birthdate when you have it private. I
also noticed (not sure if someone mentioned this already) that both names
will not show up for example Manuel de Medeiros Correia it only shows up as
Manuel Medeiros.

How do you change the number of generations?

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *They did Bata test the family tree and Cheri was in the loop to review
> it. Cheri sent it to me to play with and when I sent my comments back to
> her they were almost the same as hers. It appears that the programmer’s at
> FTDNA did not hear what we told them. Because it was a Beta test I could
> only look at the Tree Cheri had and could not look at other trees from the
> FF matches. The problems I found are no comparison to the ones we are now
> having with Names showing up as private because there is no death date
> entered even if the birth date was 1590 and being able to correct the names
> and edit.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *luiznoia .
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 10, 2014 5:17 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees
> (Gedcom) is up
>
>
>
> FTDNA seemed to have overreached with this Family Tree function.
>
>
>
>  It's clear they took no input from any genealogist  nor thought beyond
> the most simplistic model of how this would actually work.
>
>
>
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Eric for your comment.  I have my names entered a certain way -
> So let’s say I have José de Paiva (the de is showing up in the middle name
> field for some reason) and you have the same person as Jose Paiva - then we
> will not link because of the difference in his name?  That is what I am
> trying to figure out.  So for me I have no need to change the names in the
> edit field because I have no idea how someone else would record the name.
>
>
>
> Rick and I have a known connection that we documented years ago but he is
> not showing up in my list of relatives.  I’m just wondering if this could
> be why.
>
>
>
> Denise D’Antona
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>
>
> Rick P, can you help Denise? I won't be able to until next week.
> Cheri
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Yes it is I. I will see you Saturday

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, NH


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Nancy Pinksaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:55 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA

I have my daughter in laws name.Lol
The person who contacted her about matches, said her father was an 
administrator.
I'm assuming it is Rick Pimentel.
IF it is him, I will see him at the seminar.
I am just excited to see where this is going.
Nancy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA

[Nancy Pinksaw]

I have my daughter in laws name.Lol
The person who contacted her about matches, said her father was an 
administrator.
I'm assuming it is Rick Pimentel.
IF it is him, I will see him at the seminar.
I am just excited to see where this is going.
Nancy

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

They did Bata test the family tree and Cheri was in the loop to review it.
Cheri sent it to me to play with and when I sent my comments back to her
they were almost the same as hers. It appears that the programmer's at FTDNA
did not hear what we told them. Because it was a Beta test I could only look
at the Tree Cheri had and could not look at other trees from the FF matches.
The problems I found are no comparison to the ones we are now having with
Names showing up as private because there is no death date entered even if
the birth date was 1590 and being able to correct the names and edit.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
luiznoia .
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 5:17 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom)
is up

 

FTDNA seemed to have overreached with this Family Tree function.

 

 It's clear they took no input from any genealogist  nor thought beyond the
most simplistic model of how this would actually work.

 

 

Eric Edgar

 

 

 

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy
 wrote:

Thank you Eric for your comment.  I have my names entered a certain way - So
let's say I have José de Paiva (the de is showing up in the middle name
field for some reason) and you have the same person as Jose Paiva - then we
will not link because of the difference in his name?  That is what I am
trying to figure out.  So for me I have no need to change the names in the
edit field because I have no idea how someone else would record the name.

 

Rick and I have a known connection that we documented years ago but he is
not showing up in my list of relatives.  I'm just wondering if this could be
why.

 

Denise D'Antona

 

 

On Sep 10, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:





Rick P, can you help Denise? I won't be able to until next week.
Cheri

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

[Tish M]

I agree Cheri, IT (used to be called MIS) but didn't like the connotation,
will hear a lot. Don't be surprised to see the old family trees back for
awhile LOL.
Tish

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I would play around with it for a few hours and send them feed back.  Then
> I'd play around with it for a few hours more.  I'm guessing I did about 4
> hours.  Over the course of a month.  Nah, more like 6 hours.
>
> I think that IT/Engineering may get beat up at the next FTDNA conference!
> LOL
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:45 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>
>> Tish,
>>
>> I didn't say they didn't solicit input from genealogists, I said the
>> didn't take the input.
>>
>>  The naming difficulties are not unique to Portuguese research, it's big
>> problem for any Latin American  and  Scandanavian naming forms also.
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Tish M  wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,
>>> I don't think your statement is completely true. I have been in contact
>>> with ftDNA today. Cheri has already stated that she did 4 months of Beta
>>> testing. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. In
>>> this case, you can tell the designers what you don't like about their
>>> program, but you can't make them change it. Here is what they said:
>>>
>>> "Our beta test was completed by people with both computer and genealogy
>>> experience, then we released the Family Tree to about 10% of our most
>>> regular users for further testing.  Sometimes all of the best planning and
>>> testing still does not catch all of the problems, unfortunately.
>>>
>>> We are getting much of the same feedback regarding names and sizing of
>>> the tree and I will add your comments to the mix.  Thank you!"
>>>
>>> I then thanked them for the quick response and concerns.
>>>
>>> This was their reply:
>>>
>>> Tish -- Anytime!  I love getting honest feedback from our customers,
>>> especially when it backs up what we've been telling the designers.  Thank
>>> you for *your* time!
>>>
>>> Tish
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:17 PM, luiznoia . 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 FTDNA seemed to have overreached with this Family Tree function.

  It's clear they took no input from any genealogist  nor thought beyond
 the most simplistic model of how this would actually work.


 Eric Edgar



 On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy <
 azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thank you Eric for your comment.  I have my names entered a certain
> way - So let’s say I have José de Paiva (the de is showing up in the 
> middle
> name field for some reason) and you have the same person as Jose Paiva -
> then we will not link because of the difference in his name?  That is what
> I am trying to figure out.  So for me I have no need to change the names 
> in
> the edit field because I have no idea how someone else would record the
> name.
>
> Rick and I have a known connection that we documented years ago but he
> is not showing up in my list of relatives.  I’m just wondering if this
> could be why.
>
> Denise D’Antona
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Rick P, can you help Denise? I won't be able to until next week.
> Cheri
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Denise,

 

I do not seem to recall that we ever established a connection. I know we both 
have people coming from Achada.  We do have a common match with George Mello So 
we are related somewhere.

This new family tree thing on FTDNA is very frustrating in trying to track down 
connections. 

In looking on the admin page I was able to find one kit (91556) which you 
administer. Is there another?  

 

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 1:00 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is 
up

 

Hi Cheri,

 

I have the issue of not connecting due to spellings I guess. I have tied in 
with Altino and Rick, among many others on the list, and they do not show up as 
connections. Any suggestions?

 

Denise D'Antona

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 9, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

Mary B,

Yes, keep on playing and making a list of things.  You got double first names 
and I got the middle name dropped.

As a beta tester, I reported the José showing up as José.  I sent it to them 
both as ANSI and ANSEL.  Just add it to your list of things that you found with 
the trees

 

Yes, your mom doesn't show as a link because you ended with her on that Gedcom.

I had my mom's DNA kit listed as H. Louise.  In my Gedcom, she is Helen Louise. 
 That is why it wouldn't link her.  I had to change it.  So if have Joe Mello 
and you have him as Jose de Melo, with the same birth and everything, it may 
not show the link.  Altino's my dad's 2nd cousin, but I have the surname as 
Mello and I think he has it as Demelo, so it won't show Altino as a link.  This 
is a problem.  Ugh.

Cheri



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I tried to edit one name and add a picture but there is no save button.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
luiznoia .
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 1:49 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom)
is up

 

You can edit names and information for individuals in the Family Tree 

 

In either Family View or Ancestry view,  click on the person, click view
profile

 

The edit button is at the top. You can then correct spelling, names and
birth and death dates. 

 

You can add photos.

 

 

I doubt that FTDNA is going to fix the spelling issue on their end, so I'm
going through my page and fixing them.

 

 

Eric Edgar

 

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:59 AM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy
 wrote:

Hi Cheri,

 

I have the issue of not connecting due to spellings I guess. I have tied in
with Altino and Rick, among many others on the list, and they do not show up
as connections. Any suggestions?

 

Denise D'Antona

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 9, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

Mary B,

Yes, keep on playing and making a list of things.  You got double first
names and I got the middle name dropped.

As a beta tester, I reported the José showing up as José.  I sent it to
them both as ANSI and ANSEL.  Just add it to your list of things that you
found with the trees

 

Yes, your mom doesn't show as a link because you ended with her on that
Gedcom.

I had my mom's DNA kit listed as H. Louise.  In my Gedcom, she is Helen
Louise.  That is why it wouldn't link her.  I had to change it.  So if have
Joe Mello and you have him as Jose de Melo, with the same birth and
everything, it may not show the link.  Altino's my dad's 2nd cousin, but I
have the surname as Mello and I think he has it as Demelo, so it won't show
Altino as a link.  This is a problem.  Ugh.

Cheri



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I was thinking that our connection is past the range of the Family Finder.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

 

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Tish M
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 5:18 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is 
up

 

Denise,

Is Rick not showing up in your list of DNA relatives, or in the gedcom program? 
If it is in the DNA relatives maybe you just didn't get enough of the same DNA. 
If it is in the gedcom program I would say they have a great deal of tweaking 
to do before their program is usable. I do think they are trying, though.

Tish

 

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:

Thank you Eric for your comment.  I have my names entered a certain way - So 
let’s say I have José de Paiva (the de is showing up in the middle name field 
for some reason) and you have the same person as Jose Paiva - then we will not 
link because of the difference in his name?  That is what I am trying to figure 
out.  So for me I have no need to change the names in the edit field because I 
have no idea how someone else would record the name.

 

Rick and I have a known connection that we documented years ago but he is not 
showing up in my list of relatives.  I’m just wondering if this could be why.

 

Denise D’Antona

 

 

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Rick P, can you help Denise? I won't be able to until next week.
Cheri

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

[Cheri Mello]

We only have a dozen Maria de Jesus'

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:51 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> Rosemarie,
>
>
> Have you noticed whether the program tries to connect the woman with the
> same religious "surname"?
>
> Eric
>
> Edgar is my last name, actually my second last name. It's Robledo
> Edgar. I'm used to naming difficulties in the Anglo-centric world
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Edgar, I went into my file and changed the mistakes also. I had the
>> double surnames and I just deleted the middle one and it comes out alright.
>> My problem is that the women with the given name and a religious name was
>> not showing on the main page. I went it and put the Sao Joao or de Jesus in
>> their surname field and it comes out correctly on the main 'tree'.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, and Pico, Azores
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:48 AM, luiznoia . 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You can edit names and information for individuals in the Family Tree
>>>
>>> In either Family View or Ancestry view,  click on the person, click view
>>> profile
>>>
>>> The edit button is at the top. You can then correct spelling, names and
>>> birth and death dates.
>>>
>>> You can add photos.
>>>
>>>
>>> I doubt that FTDNA is going to fix the spelling issue on their end, so
>>> I'm going through my page and fixing them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Edgar
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:59 AM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Cheri,

 I have the issue of not connecting due to spellings I guess. I have
 tied in with Altino and Rick, among many others on the list, and they do
 not show up as connections. Any suggestions?

 Denise D'Antona

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 9, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

 Mary B,

 Yes, keep on playing and making a list of things.  You got double first
 names and I got the middle name dropped.

 As a beta tester, I reported the José showing up as José.  I sent it
 to them both as ANSI and ANSEL.  Just add it to your list of things that
 you found with the trees

 Yes, your mom doesn't show as a link because you ended with her on that
 Gedcom.

 I had my mom's DNA kit listed as H. Louise.  In my Gedcom, she is Helen
 Louise.  That is why it wouldn't link her.  I had to change it.  So if have
 Joe Mello and you have him as Jose de Melo, with the same birth and
 everything, it may not show the link.  Altino's my dad's 2nd cousin, but I
 have the surname as Mello and I think he has it as Demelo, so it won't show
 Altino as a link.  This is a problem.  Ugh.

 Cheri

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[luiznoia .]

Rosemarie,


Have you noticed whether the program tries to connect the woman with the
same religious "surname"?

Eric

Edgar is my last name, actually my second last name. It's Robledo
Edgar. I'm used to naming difficulties in the Anglo-centric world

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Edgar, I went into my file and changed the mistakes also. I had the double
> surnames and I just deleted the middle one and it comes out alright. My
> problem is that the women with the given name and a religious name was not
> showing on the main page. I went it and put the Sao Joao or de Jesus in
> their surname field and it comes out correctly on the main 'tree'.
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, and Pico, Azores
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:48 AM, luiznoia . 
> wrote:
>
>> You can edit names and information for individuals in the Family Tree
>>
>> In either Family View or Ancestry view,  click on the person, click view
>> profile
>>
>> The edit button is at the top. You can then correct spelling, names and
>> birth and death dates.
>>
>> You can add photos.
>>
>>
>> I doubt that FTDNA is going to fix the spelling issue on their end, so
>> I'm going through my page and fixing them.
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:59 AM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Cheri,
>>>
>>> I have the issue of not connecting due to spellings I guess. I have tied
>>> in with Altino and Rick, among many others on the list, and they do not
>>> show up as connections. Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Denise D'Antona
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 9, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>> Mary B,
>>>
>>> Yes, keep on playing and making a list of things.  You got double first
>>> names and I got the middle name dropped.
>>>
>>> As a beta tester, I reported the José showing up as José.  I sent it to
>>> them both as ANSI and ANSEL.  Just add it to your list of things that you
>>> found with the trees
>>>
>>> Yes, your mom doesn't show as a link because you ended with her on that
>>> Gedcom.
>>>
>>> I had my mom's DNA kit listed as H. Louise.  In my Gedcom, she is Helen
>>> Louise.  That is why it wouldn't link her.  I had to change it.  So if have
>>> Joe Mello and you have him as Jose de Melo, with the same birth and
>>> everything, it may not show the link.  Altino's my dad's 2nd cousin, but I
>>> have the surname as Mello and I think he has it as Demelo, so it won't show
>>> Altino as a link.  This is a problem.  Ugh.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
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[Cheri Mello]

I would play around with it for a few hours and send them feed back.  Then
I'd play around with it for a few hours more.  I'm guessing I did about 4
hours.  Over the course of a month.  Nah, more like 6 hours.

I think that IT/Engineering may get beat up at the next FTDNA conference!
LOL

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:45 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> Tish,
>
> I didn't say they didn't solicit input from genealogists, I said the
> didn't take the input.
>
>  The naming difficulties are not unique to Portuguese research, it's big
> problem for any Latin American  and  Scandanavian naming forms also.
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Tish M  wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>> I don't think your statement is completely true. I have been in contact
>> with ftDNA today. Cheri has already stated that she did 4 months of Beta
>> testing. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. In
>> this case, you can tell the designers what you don't like about their
>> program, but you can't make them change it. Here is what they said:
>>
>> "Our beta test was completed by people with both computer and genealogy
>> experience, then we released the Family Tree to about 10% of our most
>> regular users for further testing.  Sometimes all of the best planning and
>> testing still does not catch all of the problems, unfortunately.
>>
>> We are getting much of the same feedback regarding names and sizing of
>> the tree and I will add your comments to the mix.  Thank you!"
>>
>> I then thanked them for the quick response and concerns.
>>
>> This was their reply:
>>
>> Tish -- Anytime!  I love getting honest feedback from our customers,
>> especially when it backs up what we've been telling the designers.  Thank
>> you for *your* time!
>>
>> Tish
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:17 PM, luiznoia . 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FTDNA seemed to have overreached with this Family Tree function.
>>>
>>>  It's clear they took no input from any genealogist  nor thought beyond
>>> the most simplistic model of how this would actually work.
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Edgar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Eric for your comment.  I have my names entered a certain way
 - So let’s say I have José de Paiva (the de is showing up in the middle
 name field for some reason) and you have the same person as Jose Paiva -
 then we will not link because of the difference in his name?  That is what
 I am trying to figure out.  So for me I have no need to change the names in
 the edit field because I have no idea how someone else would record the
 name.

 Rick and I have a known connection that we documented years ago but he
 is not showing up in my list of relatives.  I’m just wondering if this
 could be why.

 Denise D’Antona


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 Rick P, can you help Denise? I won't be able to until next week.
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[luiznoia .]

Tish,

I didn't say they didn't solicit input from genealogists, I said the didn't
take the input.

 The naming difficulties are not unique to Portuguese research, it's big
problem for any Latin American  and  Scandanavian naming forms also.

Eric Edgar

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Tish M  wrote:

> Eric,
> I don't think your statement is completely true. I have been in contact
> with ftDNA today. Cheri has already stated that she did 4 months of Beta
> testing. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. In
> this case, you can tell the designers what you don't like about their
> program, but you can't make them change it. Here is what they said:
>
> "Our beta test was completed by people with both computer and genealogy
> experience, then we released the Family Tree to about 10% of our most
> regular users for further testing.  Sometimes all of the best planning and
> testing still does not catch all of the problems, unfortunately.
>
> We are getting much of the same feedback regarding names and sizing of the
> tree and I will add your comments to the mix.  Thank you!"
>
> I then thanked them for the quick response and concerns.
>
> This was their reply:
>
> Tish -- Anytime!  I love getting honest feedback from our customers,
> especially when it backs up what we've been telling the designers.  Thank
> you for *your* time!
>
> Tish
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:17 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>
>> FTDNA seemed to have overreached with this Family Tree function.
>>
>>  It's clear they took no input from any genealogist  nor thought beyond
>> the most simplistic model of how this would actually work.
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Eric for your comment.  I have my names entered a certain way
>>> - So let's say I have José de Paiva (the de is showing up in the middle
>>> name field for some reason) and you have the same person as Jose Paiva -
>>> then we will not link because of the difference in his name?  That is what
>>> I am trying to figure out.  So for me I have no need to change the names in
>>> the edit field because I have no idea how someone else would record the
>>> name.
>>>
>>> Rick and I have a known connection that we documented years ago but he
>>> is not showing up in my list of relatives.  I'm just wondering if this
>>> could be why.
>>>
>>> Denise D'Antona
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 10, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>> Rick P, can you help Denise? I won't be able to until next week.
>>> Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA

[Cheri Mello]

Nancy P,

You need to email one of the admins for help.  Include the kit number and
the name.  Daughter-in-law isn't going to help us find her.

Nancy Jean and I are out of town.  Kalani or Rick can help.  Email Rick.
He's the contact for Francis Richard Pimentel.  Not Melinda.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

[Tish M]

Oops. I thought Cheri tested the beta version for 4 MONTHS. I thought that
enough time... but, 4 HOURS is probably not enough time. When I was testing
new programs for work we would run both programs for at least a few weeks,
before using the new one. It was a lot of work, but was well worth it.
Tish

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:

> Silly me...I got confused with the "add relationship" feature. I thought
> that when it showed a DNA link with someone in your tree that you clicked
> there. Today I went to add myself as my mom's daughter to her tree (I had
> not gone beyond my mom on her Gedcom). I was able to add myself to her tree
> there. But the possible link icon was not there today.
>
> I'm sure we will learn how this works someday. :)
>
> Mary
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 9, 2014, Mary Bordi  wrote:
>
>> Been playing!
>>
>> I need to redo my gedcom. And my mom's. I guess I didn't use ASCII
>> characters in the names (had noticed it before) so names like José end up
>> looking like José (If that even shows up here in email...!) It would be
>> difficult to match similar names in other trees.
>>
>> Some womwn's have double first names... Maria Maria, Rosa Rosa, Joana
>> Joana...
>>
>> Also, For me, it showed my mom as a possible link to me but then for
>> "relationship" I was only given the choices of spouse, sibling, son,
>> daughter. It wasn't clear if the relationship was hers to mine or mine to
>> hers.
>>
>> My mom doesn't show a link to me, but I don't think I'm on her gedcom--I
>> ended it with her! :)
>>
>> I'm on my iPad so I should check it out on my desktop computer. At least
>> this is better than Ancestry--I can no longer view my DNA matches there on
>> my iPad. :)
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 9, 2014, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> For those wanting to upload their Gedcoms to FTDNA, you can do it.
>>>
>>> For others, you can play with the new family tree feature.
>>>
>>> Don't know what they did with my 4 hours of beta testing.  Looks like
>>> they didn't take a single suggestion.  Such as Maria de Jesus.  I told them
>>> not to assume the last name in the field was a last name.  So they deleted
>>> it.  I now have several women just named Maria.
>>>
>>> And low and behold, I'm not even connected to my mother!  We share DNA,
>>> yet we have ZERO people in common in our family trees.  Really?  It's the
>>> same database!
>>>
>>> Play around with it.  Make a list of features that don't work for you
>>> (because they did it from a North American centric point of view).  I'll
>>> tell you were to send it next week.  You can discuss it, but give Rick and
>>> Kalani some time to play around with it themselves.  They were not beta
>>> testers and Kalani is on overload from work and Nancy Jean is not back from
>>> the Azores yet.  And I'm out of town.  So save up your suggestions!
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>>> Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA

[Nancy Pinksaw]

Ok, I have 3 exact matches for my daughter in law.
Two are from Pico Island, a Robert Dennis Testa and a John Edward Lopes.
The other exact match from Sao Miguel, is Francis Richard Pimentel.
The contact was a Melinda.
I am new to all of this so any feedback is appreciated.
.Thanks,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

[Cheri Mello]

When I was beta testing, that purple "band-aid" link would disappear on
me.  What is that thing?


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

[Mary Bordi]

Silly me...I got confused with the "add relationship" feature. I thought
that when it showed a DNA link with someone in your tree that you clicked
there. Today I went to add myself as my mom's daughter to her tree (I had
not gone beyond my mom on her Gedcom). I was able to add myself to her tree
there. But the possible link icon was not there today.

I'm sure we will learn how this works someday. :)

Mary



On Tuesday, September 9, 2014, Mary Bordi  wrote:

> Been playing!
>
> I need to redo my gedcom. And my mom's. I guess I didn't use ASCII
> characters in the names (had noticed it before) so names like José end up
> looking like José (If that even shows up here in email...!) It would be
> difficult to match similar names in other trees.
>
> Some womwn's have double first names... Maria Maria, Rosa Rosa, Joana
> Joana...
>
> Also, For me, it showed my mom as a possible link to me but then for
> "relationship" I was only given the choices of spouse, sibling, son,
> daughter. It wasn't clear if the relationship was hers to mine or mine to
> hers.
>
> My mom doesn't show a link to me, but I don't think I'm on her gedcom--I
> ended it with her! :)
>
> I'm on my iPad so I should check it out on my desktop computer. At least
> this is better than Ancestry--I can no longer view my DNA matches there on
> my iPad. :)
>
> Mary
>
> On Tuesday, September 9, 2014, Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> For those wanting to upload their Gedcoms to FTDNA, you can do it.
>>
>> For others, you can play with the new family tree feature.
>>
>> Don't know what they did with my 4 hours of beta testing.  Looks like
>> they didn't take a single suggestion.  Such as Maria de Jesus.  I told them
>> not to assume the last name in the field was a last name.  So they deleted
>> it.  I now have several women just named Maria.
>>
>> And low and behold, I'm not even connected to my mother!  We share DNA,
>> yet we have ZERO people in common in our family trees.  Really?  It's the
>> same database!
>>
>> Play around with it.  Make a list of features that don't work for you
>> (because they did it from a North American centric point of view).  I'll
>> tell you were to send it next week.  You can discuss it, but give Rick and
>> Kalani some time to play around with it themselves.  They were not beta
>> testers and Kalani is on overload from work and Nancy Jean is not back from
>> the Azores yet.  And I'm out of town.  So save up your suggestions!
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

[Tish M]

Eric,
I don't think your statement is completely true. I have been in contact
with ftDNA today. Cheri has already stated that she did 4 months of Beta
testing. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. In
this case, you can tell the designers what you don't like about their
program, but you can't make them change it. Here is what they said:

"Our beta test was completed by people with both computer and genealogy
experience, then we released the Family Tree to about 10% of our most
regular users for further testing.  Sometimes all of the best planning and
testing still does not catch all of the problems, unfortunately.

We are getting much of the same feedback regarding names and sizing of the
tree and I will add your comments to the mix.  Thank you!"

I then thanked them for the quick response and concerns.

This was their reply:

Tish -- Anytime!  I love getting honest feedback from our customers,
especially when it backs up what we've been telling the designers.  Thank
you for *your* time!

Tish

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:17 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> FTDNA seemed to have overreached with this Family Tree function.
>
>  It's clear they took no input from any genealogist  nor thought beyond
> the most simplistic model of how this would actually work.
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Eric for your comment.  I have my names entered a certain way -
>> So let’s say I have José de Paiva (the de is showing up in the middle name
>> field for some reason) and you have the same person as Jose Paiva - then we
>> will not link because of the difference in his name?  That is what I am
>> trying to figure out.  So for me I have no need to change the names in the
>> edit field because I have no idea how someone else would record the name.
>>
>> Rick and I have a known connection that we documented years ago but he is
>> not showing up in my list of relatives.  I’m just wondering if this could
>> be why.
>>
>> Denise D’Antona
>>
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> Rick P, can you help Denise? I won't be able to until next week.
>> Cheri
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Jaques, Castro, Cardozo

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Anthony Martin, anthonymartin77 at gmail.com

I came across Jessica Lima's post it it looks like she may have some
information on my wife's family. I am very interested in getting in contact
Jessica, or anyone whom may still be in contact with her.

I am trying to get some information on Maria Rosa Francisca Eugenia Jaques
Castro, Jose Cardozo Jaques, and Francisca Rosa.

Please respond if still active.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

[luiznoia .]

FTDNA seemed to have overreached with this Family Tree function.

 It's clear they took no input from any genealogist  nor thought beyond the
most simplistic model of how this would actually work.


Eric Edgar



On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thank you Eric for your comment.  I have my names entered a certain way -
> So let's say I have José de Paiva (the de is showing up in the middle name
> field for some reason) and you have the same person as Jose Paiva - then we
> will not link because of the difference in his name?  That is what I am
> trying to figure out.  So for me I have no need to change the names in the
> edit field because I have no idea how someone else would record the name.
>
> Rick and I have a known connection that we documented years ago but he is
> not showing up in my list of relatives.  I'm just wondering if this could
> be why.
>
> Denise D'Antona
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Rick P, can you help Denise? I won't be able to until next week.
> Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Edgar, I went into my file and changed the mistakes also. I had the double
surnames and I just deleted the middle one and it comes out alright. My
problem is that the women with the given name and a religious name was not
showing on the main page. I went it and put the Sao Joao or de Jesus in
their surname field and it comes out correctly on the main 'tree'.



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On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:48 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> You can edit names and information for individuals in the Family Tree
>
> In either Family View or Ancestry view,  click on the person, click view
> profile
>
> The edit button is at the top. You can then correct spelling, names and
> birth and death dates.
>
> You can add photos.
>
>
> I doubt that FTDNA is going to fix the spelling issue on their end, so I'm
> going through my page and fixing them.
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:59 AM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri,
>>
>> I have the issue of not connecting due to spellings I guess. I have tied
>> in with Altino and Rick, among many others on the list, and they do not
>> show up as connections. Any suggestions?
>>
>> Denise D'Antona
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> Mary B,
>>
>> Yes, keep on playing and making a list of things.  You got double first
>> names and I got the middle name dropped.
>>
>> As a beta tester, I reported the José showing up as José.  I sent it to
>> them both as ANSI and ANSEL.  Just add it to your list of things that you
>> found with the trees
>>
>> Yes, your mom doesn't show as a link because you ended with her on that
>> Gedcom.
>>
>> I had my mom's DNA kit listed as H. Louise.  In my Gedcom, she is Helen
>> Louise.  That is why it wouldn't link her.  I had to change it.  So if have
>> Joe Mello and you have him as Jose de Melo, with the same birth and
>> everything, it may not show the link.  Altino's my dad's 2nd cousin, but I
>> have the surname as Mello and I think he has it as Demelo, so it won't show
>> Altino as a link.  This is a problem.  Ugh.
>>
>> Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

[Seekgene via Azores Genealogy]

I just never put in "de" or "da" in my family tree or gedcom names for  
this very reason.  The reason is to avoid this very  problem.   "De" or "da" is 
only a preposition and it only means  "of".
 
 
In a message dated 9/10/2014 2:57:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
azores@googlegroups.com writes:

I wonder if it could be due to how FTM wrote the Gedcom.


When I write a surname into my program I try to avoid the issue of  
screwing up the surname by entering the "d'" or "de", "do" etc on the first  
line 
name.


For example...


I enter "José de" on the Given name of the FTM program.
And "Paiva" on the surname.


I wonder if by entering "de" on the middle name section is what is  causing 
it not to match.

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 10, 2014, at 12:59 PM, "'Denise' via Azores Genealogy" 
<_azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com) >  wrote:




Hi Cheri,


I have the issue of not connecting due to spellings I guess. I have  tied 
in with Altino and Rick, among many others on the list, and they do not  show 
up as connections. Any suggestions?


Denise D'Antona

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Cheri Mello <_gfscherim@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com) >  wrote:




 
Mary B,

Yes, keep on playing and making a list of  things.  You got double first 
names and I got the middle name  dropped.


As a beta tester, I reported the José showing up as  José.  I sent it to 
them both as ANSI and ANSEL.  Just add it  to your list of things that you 
found with the trees


Yes, your mom doesn't show as a link because you  ended with her on that 
Gedcom.

I had my mom's DNA kit listed as H.  Louise.  In my Gedcom, she is Helen 
Louise.  That is why it  wouldn't link her.  I had to change it.  So if have 
Joe Mello  and you have him as Jose de Melo, with the same birth and 
everything, it  may not show the link.  Altino's my dad's 2nd cousin, but I 
have the 
 surname as Mello and I think he has it as Demelo, so it won't show Altino  
as a link.  This is a problem.  Ugh.

Cheri


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

['Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy]

I wonder if it could be due to how FTM wrote the Gedcom.

When I write a surname into my program I try to avoid the issue of screwing up 
the surname by entering the "d'" or "de", "do" etc on the first line name.

For example...

I enter "José de" on the Given name of the FTM program.
And "Paiva" on the surname.

I wonder if by entering "de" on the middle name section is what is causing it 
not to match.

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 10, 2014, at 12:59 PM, "'Denise' via Azores Genealogy" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cheri,
> 
> I have the issue of not connecting due to spellings I guess. I have tied in 
> with Altino and Rick, among many others on the list, and they do not show up 
> as connections. Any suggestions?
> 
> Denise D'Antona
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary B,
>> 
>> Yes, keep on playing and making a list of things.  You got double first 
>> names and I got the middle name dropped.
>> 
>> As a beta tester, I reported the José showing up as José.  I sent it to 
>> them both as ANSI and ANSEL.  Just add it to your list of things that you 
>> found with the trees
>> 
>> Yes, your mom doesn't show as a link because you ended with her on that 
>> Gedcom.
>> 
>> I had my mom's DNA kit listed as H. Louise.  In my Gedcom, she is Helen 
>> Louise.  That is why it wouldn't link her.  I had to change it.  So if have 
>> Joe Mello and you have him as Jose de Melo, with the same birth and 
>> everything, it may not show the link.  Altino's my dad's 2nd cousin, but I 
>> have the surname as Mello and I think he has it as Demelo, so it won't show 
>> Altino as a link.  This is a problem.  Ugh.
>> 
>> Cheri
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

[Tish M]

Denise,
Is Rick not showing up in your list of DNA relatives, or in the gedcom
program? If it is in the DNA relatives maybe you just didn't get enough of
the same DNA. If it is in the gedcom program I would say they have a great
deal of tweaking to do before their program is usable. I do think they are
trying, though.
Tish

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> Thank you Eric for your comment.  I have my names entered a certain way -
> So let’s say I have José de Paiva (the de is showing up in the middle name
> field for some reason) and you have the same person as Jose Paiva - then we
> will not link because of the difference in his name?  That is what I am
> trying to figure out.  So for me I have no need to change the names in the
> edit field because I have no idea how someone else would record the name.
>
> Rick and I have a known connection that we documented years ago but he is
> not showing up in my list of relatives.  I’m just wondering if this could
> be why.
>
> Denise D’Antona
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
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> Rick P, can you help Denise? I won't be able to until next week.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

['Denise' via Azores Genealogy]

Thank you Eric for your comment.  I have my names entered a certain way - So 
let's say I have José de Paiva (the de is showing up in the middle name field 
for some reason) and you have the same person as Jose Paiva - then we will not 
link because of the difference in his name?  That is what I am trying to figure 
out.  So for me I have no need to change the names in the edit field because I 
have no idea how someone else would record the name.

Rick and I have a known connection that we documented years ago but he is not 
showing up in my list of relatives.  I'm just wondering if this could be why.

Denise D'Antona


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> Rick P, can you help Denise? I won't be able to until next week.
> Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

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Rick P, can you help Denise? I won't be able to until next week.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

[luiznoia .]

You can edit names and information for individuals in the Family Tree

In either Family View or Ancestry view,  click on the person, click view
profile

The edit button is at the top. You can then correct spelling, names and
birth and death dates.

You can add photos.


I doubt that FTDNA is going to fix the spelling issue on their end, so I'm
going through my page and fixing them.


Eric Edgar

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:59 AM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi Cheri,
>
> I have the issue of not connecting due to spellings I guess. I have tied
> in with Altino and Rick, among many others on the list, and they do not
> show up as connections. Any suggestions?
>
> Denise D'Antona
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 9, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Mary B,
>
> Yes, keep on playing and making a list of things.  You got double first
> names and I got the middle name dropped.
>
> As a beta tester, I reported the José showing up as José.  I sent it to
> them both as ANSI and ANSEL.  Just add it to your list of things that you
> found with the trees
>
> Yes, your mom doesn't show as a link because you ended with her on that
> Gedcom.
>
> I had my mom's DNA kit listed as H. Louise.  In my Gedcom, she is Helen
> Louise.  That is why it wouldn't link her.  I had to change it.  So if have
> Joe Mello and you have him as Jose de Melo, with the same birth and
> everything, it may not show the link.  Altino's my dad's 2nd cousin, but I
> have the surname as Mello and I think he has it as Demelo, so it won't show
> Altino as a link.  This is a problem.  Ugh.
>
> Cheri
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name check Jose Tomas Pimentel Carneiro 1779, Flores

[luiznoia .]

Steve,

Sorry, the Anthony Sears stuff was for another Steve. Unless I click the
name on the message it only shows you with first name.


You said in a previous message that you are assuming that your great
grandmother Filomena b. 1851 is attached to the Jose Thomas Carneiro
family, and this is all built off that.

I'm proposing that this Filomena Carneiro may actually be the one your
looking for.


Eric


On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:38 AM, Steve  wrote:

> Eric,
>
> For some reason I cannot see any posting in this thread containing "Did
> you get my results on the Anthony Sears Recording search?" except below in
> your own posting. Maybe it's a browser issue, but who is Anthony Sears?
>
> As for the Filomena baptism 1850 you refer to, I don't see how that could
> be her because the parents and grandparents are entirely different people:
>
> Filomena
> b. 27 Dec 1850
> Joaquim Pimentel Carneiro
>  Joao Pimentel Carneiro
>  Ana Maria
> Mariana Julia
>  Joao Pimentel Valadao
>  Maria de Jesus
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857_item1/P135.html
>
> In addition, I can find no records where Isabel de Jesus is referred to as
> Isabel Tomasia, except in her death record -- true?
>
> Steve
>
> On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 3:13:10 PM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Filomena baptism 1850
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
>> digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-
>> 1842-1857_item1/P135.html
>>
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:39 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>>
>>> The obit you originally posted shows her as Isabel Thomasia.
>>>
>>> The 1841 birth record for Jose shows her as Isabel de Jesus
>>>
>>> There is an 1850 record for a Filomena Carneiro in Santa Cruz born to
>>> Joaquin Pimentel Valldao and Marianna Julia, maternos are Joao Pimentel
>>> Carneiro and Anna Maria.
>>>
>>> I don't have the exact date.
>>>
>>> Did you get my results on the Anthony Sears Recording search?
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Steve  wrote:
>>>
 Eric,

 I know you're scrupulous, but I just want to be sure about the death
 identities for the following reasons:

 These two deaths are a major find because it means my great
 grandmother, Filomena b. 1851, cannot be their daughter, yet I have
 constructed my descendants around this assumption. (Talk about shaking a
 big tree).

 That is, they can't be her parents since José Tomás Pimentel Carneiro
 died on ? Jun 1844 and his wife Isabel de Jesus (Isabel Tomásia) died 16
 Apr 1850.

 Indeed, my family records have always disagreed with this parentage
 (plus I've never been able to find Filomena's baptism record). I had been
 persuaded by other genealogical sources when I first started in 2012.

 Now eliminating Jose and Isabel as Filomena's parents fits with a
 revised scenario since I'm somewhat confident that I have found Filomena's
 real parents recently.

 However, I found no records in which Isabel de Jesus is listed as
 Isabel Thomasia. I found three children for her as Isabel de Jesus:

 Maria (Maria Isabel Carneiro Thomas)
 b. 9? Nov 1833  Santa Cruz das Flores, Flores
 d. 3 Oct 1927  Contra Costa County, California
 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
 digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-
 1826-1841_item1/P107.html

 Manuel (Manuel T Thomas)
 b. 28 Nov 1837  Santa Cruz das Flores, Flores
 d. 1920  Antioch, Contra Costa, California
 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
 digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-
 1826-1841_item1/P154.html

 Jose
 b. 4 Jul 1841  Santa Cruz das Flores, Flores
 d. unknown
 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
 digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-
 1826-1841_item1/P194.html

 Many thanks,
 Steve

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Private in so many of the trees

[Tish M]

Hi Rick,
I will write to ftDNA. I like the old display better, too. I doubt they
will go back because they have invested in this tree. I wonder if it has
anything to do with DNAGedCom or if it is just a coincidence.
Tish

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *Hi Tish,*
>
>
>
> *I just tried looking at a tree from one of my matches and am getting the
> same results.  I urge you to contact FTDNA. To do this from your home FTDNA
> page use the feedback button which is at the upper right side of you page.
> This new family tree page has a lot of problems and the only way to fix it
> is to have everyone let them know. I did this yesterday about the general
> display and the way names appeared and told them I liked the old trees much
> better.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Tish M
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:07 AM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Private in so many of the trees
>
>
>
> Rick,
>
> I just checked mine with another kit I take care of and hardly any of my
> tree comes in. It is totally useless to anyone. Until they fix their
> program I am going to make my whole tree private.
>
> Tish
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Tish M  wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> The problem is not with my privacy settings.  I have it set for show
> people as private for those less than 100 years ago. If I set it as totally
> private, the other setting I have a choice of, I would negate the idea of
> having a gedcom anyway, right? The problem is with looking at other
> people's trees. They will have names included with later dates, but the
> tree will have names as private in the 1850's, 1700's even one I know was
> in the 1600's. This makes no sense.
>
> Tish
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> *Tish.*
>
>
>
> *Make sure your privacy settings are set correctly. From your My FTDNA
> page click manage personal information which is under your profile on the
> upper left of the page. This will take you to My FTDNA – Account Settings.
> Click the Genealogy tab and the first settings will be the privacy
> settings. Click the ones you desire and save that should correct the
> problem.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
>
> *Family Tree DNA Co-AdministratorAzores DNA Project*
>
>
>
> *Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators*
>
> *All unpaid volunteers *
>
> *Cheri Mello – gfsche...@gmail.com  *
>
> *Rick Pimentel – rickredle...@gmail.com  *
>
> *Nancy Jean Baptista - fishsongf...@hotmail.com *
>
> *Kalani Mondoy - mamoah...@gmail.com  *
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Tish M
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 9, 2014 9:34 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Private in so many of the trees
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I understand having private for living persons, but it seems that ftDNA
> has criteria saying "if there is no date of death, make the person
> private". This makes no sense, as it makes it impossible to view more than
> half of the trees.
>
> Tish
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Private in so many of the trees

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Tish,

 

I just tried looking at a tree from one of my matches and am getting the same 
results.  I urge you to contact FTDNA. To do this from your home FTDNA page use 
the feedback button which is at the upper right side of you page. This new 
family tree page has a lot of problems and the only way to fix it is to have 
everyone let them know. I did this yesterday about the general display and the 
way names appeared and told them I liked the old trees much better.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tish M
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:07 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Private in so many of the trees

 

Rick,

I just checked mine with another kit I take care of and hardly any of my tree 
comes in. It is totally useless to anyone. Until they fix their program I am 
going to make my whole tree private.

Tish

 

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Tish M  wrote:

Rick,

The problem is not with my privacy settings.  I have it set for show people as 
private for those less than 100 years ago. If I set it as totally private, the 
other setting I have a choice of, I would negate the idea of having a gedcom 
anyway, right? The problem is with looking at other people's trees. They will 
have names included with later dates, but the tree will have names as private 
in the 1850's, 1700's even one I know was in the 1600's. This makes no sense.

Tish

 

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

Tish.

 

Make sure your privacy settings are set correctly. From your My FTDNA page 
click manage personal information which is under your profile on the upper left 
of the page. This will take you to My FTDNA – Account Settings. Click the 
Genealogy tab and the first settings will be the privacy settings. Click the 
ones you desire and save that should correct the problem.

 

Rick

 

Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator
Azores DNA Project

  

Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators

All unpaid volunteers 

Cheri Mello –   gfsche...@gmail.com 

Rick Pimentel –   rickredle...@gmail.com 

Nancy Jean Baptista -   
fishsongf...@hotmail.com

Kalani Mondoy - mamoah...@gmail.com 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tish M
Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 9:34 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Private in so many of the trees

 

Hi,

I understand having private for living persons, but it seems that ftDNA has 
criteria saying "if there is no date of death, make the person private". This 
makes no sense, as it makes it impossible to view more than half of the trees.

Tish

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA's new family trees (Gedcom) is up

['Denise' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Cheri,

I have the issue of not connecting due to spellings I guess. I have tied in 
with Altino and Rick, among many others on the list, and they do not show up as 
connections. Any suggestions?

Denise D'Antona

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 9, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Mary B,
> 
> Yes, keep on playing and making a list of things.  You got double first names 
> and I got the middle name dropped.
> 
> As a beta tester, I reported the José showing up as José.  I sent it to them 
> both as ANSI and ANSEL.  Just add it to your list of things that you found 
> with the trees
> 
> Yes, your mom doesn't show as a link because you ended with her on that 
> Gedcom.
> 
> I had my mom's DNA kit listed as H. Louise.  In my Gedcom, she is Helen 
> Louise.  That is why it wouldn't link her.  I had to change it.  So if have 
> Joe Mello and you have him as Jose de Melo, with the same birth and 
> everything, it may not show the link.  Altino's my dad's 2nd cousin, but I 
> have the surname as Mello and I think he has it as Demelo, so it won't show 
> Altino as a link.  This is a problem.  Ugh.
> 
> Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Private in so many of the trees

[Tish M]

Rick,
I just checked mine with another kit I take care of and hardly any of my
tree comes in. It is totally useless to anyone. Until they fix their
program I am going to make my whole tree private.
Tish

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Tish M  wrote:

> Rick,
> The problem is not with my privacy settings.  I have it set for show
> people as private for those less than 100 years ago. If I set it as totally
> private, the other setting I have a choice of, I would negate the idea of
> having a gedcom anyway, right? The problem is with looking at other
> people's trees. They will have names included with later dates, but the
> tree will have names as private in the 1850's, 1700's even one I know was
> in the 1600's. This makes no sense.
> Tish
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> *Tish.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Make sure your privacy settings are set correctly. From your My FTDNA
>> page click manage personal information which is under your profile on the
>> upper left of the page. This will take you to My FTDNA – Account Settings.
>> Click the Genealogy tab and the first settings will be the privacy
>> settings. Click the ones you desire and save that should correct the
>> problem.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Family Tree DNA Co-AdministratorAzores DNA Project*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators*
>>
>> *All unpaid volunteers *
>>
>> *Cheri Mello – gfsche...@gmail.com  *
>>
>> *Rick Pimentel – rickredle...@gmail.com  *
>>
>> *Nancy Jean Baptista - fishsongf...@hotmail.com
>> *
>>
>> *Kalani Mondoy - mamoah...@gmail.com  *
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Tish M
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 9, 2014 9:34 PM
>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Private in so many of the trees
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I understand having private for living persons, but it seems that ftDNA
>> has criteria saying "if there is no date of death, make the person
>> private". This makes no sense, as it makes it impossible to view more than
>> half of the trees.
>>
>> Tish
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Private in so many of the trees

[Tish M]

Rick,
The problem is not with my privacy settings.  I have it set for show people
as private for those less than 100 years ago. If I set it as totally
private, the other setting I have a choice of, I would negate the idea of
having a gedcom anyway, right? The problem is with looking at other
people's trees. They will have names included with later dates, but the
tree will have names as private in the 1850's, 1700's even one I know was
in the 1600's. This makes no sense.
Tish

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *Tish.*
>
>
>
> *Make sure your privacy settings are set correctly. From your My FTDNA
> page click manage personal information which is under your profile on the
> upper left of the page. This will take you to My FTDNA – Account Settings.
> Click the Genealogy tab and the first settings will be the privacy
> settings. Click the ones you desire and save that should correct the
> problem.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
>
> *Family Tree DNA Co-AdministratorAzores DNA Project*
>
>
>
> *Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators*
>
> *All unpaid volunteers *
>
> *Cheri Mello – gfsche...@gmail.com  *
>
> *Rick Pimentel – rickredle...@gmail.com  *
>
> *Nancy Jean Baptista - fishsongf...@hotmail.com *
>
> *Kalani Mondoy - mamoah...@gmail.com  *
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Tish M
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 9, 2014 9:34 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Private in so many of the trees
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I understand having private for living persons, but it seems that ftDNA
> has criteria saying "if there is no date of death, make the person
> private". This makes no sense, as it makes it impossible to view more than
> half of the trees.
>
> Tish
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name check Jose Tomas Pimentel Carneiro 1779, Flores

[Steve]

Eric,

For some reason I cannot see any posting in this thread containing "Did you 
get my results on the Anthony Sears Recording search?" except below in your 
own posting. Maybe it's a browser issue, but who is Anthony Sears?

As for the Filomena baptism 1850 you refer to, I don't see how that could 
be her because the parents and grandparents are entirely different people:

Filomena
b. 27 Dec 1850
Joaquim Pimentel Carneiro
 Joao Pimentel Carneiro
 Ana Maria
Mariana Julia
 Joao Pimentel Valadao
 Maria de Jesus
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857_item1/P135.html

In addition, I can find no records where Isabel de Jesus is referred to as 
Isabel Tomasia, except in her death record -- true?

Steve

On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 3:13:10 PM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote:
>
>
>
> Filomena baptism 1850
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857_item1/P135.html
>
>
> Eric 
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:39 PM, luiznoia .  > wrote:
>
>> The obit you originally posted shows her as Isabel Thomasia. 
>>
>> The 1841 birth record for Jose shows her as Isabel de Jesus
>>
>> There is an 1850 record for a Filomena Carneiro in Santa Cruz born to 
>> Joaquin Pimentel Valldao and Marianna Julia, maternos are Joao Pimentel 
>> Carneiro and Anna Maria. 
>>
>> I don't have the exact date. 
>>
>> Did you get my results on the Anthony Sears Recording search?
>>
>> Eric 
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Steve 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> I know you’re scrupulous, but I just want to be sure about the death 
>>> identities for the following reasons:
>>>
>>> These two deaths are a major find because it means my great grandmother, 
>>> Filomena b. 1851, cannot be their daughter, yet I have constructed my 
>>> descendants around this assumption. (Talk about shaking a big tree).
>>>
>>> That is, they can’t be her parents since José Tomás Pimentel Carneiro 
>>> died on ? Jun 1844 and his wife Isabel de Jesus (Isabel Tomásia) died 16 
>>> Apr 1850.
>>>
>>> Indeed, my family records have always disagreed with this parentage 
>>> (plus I’ve never been able to find Filomena’s baptism record). I had been 
>>> persuaded by other genealogical sources when I first started in 2012.
>>>
>>> Now eliminating Jose and Isabel as Filomena’s parents fits with a 
>>> revised scenario since I’m somewhat confident that I have found Filomena’s 
>>> real parents recently.
>>>
>>> However, I found no records in which Isabel de Jesus is listed as Isabel 
>>> Thomasia. I found three children for her as Isabel de Jesus:
>>>
>>> Maria (Maria Isabel Carneiro Thomas)
>>> b. 9? Nov 1833  Santa Cruz das Flores, Flores
>>> d. 3 Oct 1927  Contra Costa County, California
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P107.html
>>>
>>> Manuel (Manuel T Thomas)
>>> b. 28 Nov 1837  Santa Cruz das Flores, Flores
>>> d. 1920  Antioch, Contra Costa, California
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P154.html
>>>
>>> Jose
>>> b. 4 Jul 1841  Santa Cruz das Flores, Flores
>>> d. unknown
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P194.html
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Steve
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