[AZORES-Genealogy] Post 1910 Church Records

[Hank Cupper]

I’m traveling to Flores, my home island, in late August with my cousin Deanna.  
We hope to find other cousins still living there.  Our direct ancestors left in 
1880, but thanks to Cheri and Rosemarie’s super workshop in Salt Lake City I’ve 
now got a huge pre-1910 family tree.  They were fertile and healthy!  Does 
anyone have advice or tips about getting access to local church records in the 
islands?  I have a contact in the village, but I don’t think she’s much of a 
church goer.  Do I contact the priest directly?  Or do I have to contact the 
diocese first?  Or...??  If we can just bridge a generation or two I think 
we’ll find we’re related to just about everyone there!

Hank Cupper

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: J1-M365 type in two Azorean Islands: Ilha de São Miguel e Ilha do Pico

[Manuel Martins]

My father-in-law is from Ribeira do Meio Lajes, Pico.  

My uncle in from Monte, Candelaria, his mother was from Criacao Velha and 
his father from Monte, His paternal grand-father was from Sao Mateus and 
his paternal grandmother from Monte.

I hope this clarifies some of the confusion.

Manny

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>
> Thanks Cheri
>
> You are right. The samples are from Pico and they are related to the 
> family of Senhor Manuel Martins. I think he also participates in this 
> group. 
> When we talked he told he was from the Zona da Madalena (Criação velha e 
> vizinhanças) but his uncle and father-in-law were from other places in Pico.
>  
> Best 
>  
> Ricardo
>  
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> Ricardo,
>   You said: <>
> One kit lists Sao Mateus and the other lists Lajes. I don't know where you 
> got Criação Velha from.
>
> The N kit and the kit you compared yourself to are not part of the Azores 
> project. :(
> Cheri
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: J1-M365 type in two Azorean Islands: Ilha de São Miguel e Ilha do Pico

[nancy jean baptiste]

Greetings Manny,
I'm curious if the J1-M365 is from your father-in-law or from your side. Since 
I match you and Uncle John matches Ana, I'm wondering.
Best regards,Nancy Jean

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 08:45:34 -0700
From: kambb...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: J1-M365 type in two Azorean Islands: Ilha 
de São Miguel e Ilha do Pico

My father-in-law is from Ribeira do Meio Lajes, Pico.  
My uncle in from Monte, Candelaria, his mother was from Criacao Velha and his 
father from Monte, His paternal grand-father was from Sao Mateus and his 
paternal grandmother from Monte.
I hope this clarifies some of the confusion.
Manny

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 1:29:20 PM UTC-4, Ricardo Costa de Oliveira wrote:
 Thanks Cheri


You are right. The samples are from Pico and they are related to the family of 
Senhor Manuel Martins. I think he also participates in this group. 
When we talked he told he was from the Zona da Madalena (Criação velha e 
vizinhanças) but his uncle and father-in-law were from other places in Pico.
 
Best 
 
Ricardo
 

Ricardo,



You said: <>
One kit lists Sao Mateus and the other lists Lajes. I don't know where you got 
Criação Velha from.


The N kit and the kit you compared yourself to are not part of the Azores 
project. :(
Cheri


 





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Post 1910 Church Records

[Marilyn Thompson]

If I remember right in 1911 the events -birth- marriage-deaths are in the
civil registration offices. There should still be copy in the parish I
would think.

I am sure someone with more knowledge will chime in.


On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Hank Cupper  wrote:

>   I’m traveling to Flores, my home island, in late August with my cousin
> Deanna.  We hope to find other cousins still living there.  Our direct
> ancestors left in 1880, but thanks to Cheri and Rosemarie’s super workshop
> in Salt Lake City I’ve now got a huge pre-1910 family tree.  They were
> fertile and healthy!  Does anyone have advice or tips about getting access
> to local church records in the islands?  I have a contact in the village,
> but I don’t think she’s much of a church goer.  Do I contact the priest
> directly?  Or do I have to contact the diocese first?  Or...??  If we can
> just bridge a generation or two I think we’ll find we’re related to just
> about everyone there!
>
> Hank Cupper
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Post 1910 Church Records

[Cheri Mello]

After 1910, the Civil Registries have the records. They probably won't let
you do searches. The same for the churches. It's really hard to work
forward with the records.  I've had limited luck on one ancestor on Sao
Miguel. And it took a lot of pleading (but we had a time frame for her).

Cheri

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Hank Cupper  wrote:

>   I’m traveling to Flores, my home island, in late August with my cousin
> Deanna.  We hope to find other cousins still living there.  Our direct
> ancestors left in 1880, but thanks to Cheri and Rosemarie’s super workshop
> in Salt Lake City I’ve now got a huge pre-1910 family tree.  They were
> fertile and healthy!  Does anyone have advice or tips about getting access
> to local church records in the islands?  I have a contact in the village,
> but I don’t think she’s much of a church goer.  Do I contact the priest
> directly?  Or do I have to contact the diocese first?  Or...??  If we can
> just bridge a generation or two I think we’ll find we’re related to just
> about everyone there!
>
> Hank Cupper
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passenger lists

[Shirley Allegre]

Who are you looking for?  I probably can help you.  I have 3 sources to look in.
Shirley in CA
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  From: Cheri Mello 
  To: Azores Genealogy 
  Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 6:35 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passenger lists


  Repost for Tina Hawthorne,

  Do you know where we can find the passenger list for each migration? I have 
the passenger list for 4 May 1888 Steamship Abergeldie (British). I have to 
look at couple of different years because the census for my ancestors gave 
different years. and Ancestry.com does not have those list. 


  Thank you in Advance,
  Tina

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Ship Manifests

[Maria Sousa]

I have a g-gf who travelled from Portugal to Brazil in 1887.  I found him
in Brazil's arquives.  He returned to Portugal around 1895 to 1899, with a
wife.  Don't know if he was really married.   Are there any ship manifests
of ships arriving in Portugal from Brazil around that time period?

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[AZORES-Genealogy] left column of baptism record

[Paul]

Just wondering what is written in the left column of my great grand aunts 
baptismo record. The record begins on the left page and ends on the upper 
right. The third word from the right looks to be "com" followed by the name 
Augusthino?
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1870-1879_item1/P569.html
 
Thanks,
Paul G,

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] left column of baptism record

[MaryAnn Santos]

Married Agostinho de Medeiros Leite, 23 years old, native of the parish of
Mãe de Deus in the county of Povoação son of Francisco de Medeiros Leite
and Rosa Ludovina in the church of Nossa Senhora dos Remédios da Lomba de
João Loução county of Povoação on the 17th day of November 1898. Assento #
12 18 October 1976.

Died in the parish of Mãe de Deus county of Povoação at 20 hours on the 4th
day of November 1919. Assento #1016??? 18 October 1976

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Paul  wrote:

> Just wondering what is written in the left column of my great grand aunts
> baptismo record. The record begins on the left page and ends on the upper
> right. The third word from the right looks to be "com" followed by the name
> Augusthino?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1870-1879_item1/P569.html
>
> Thanks,
> Paul G,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] left column of baptism record

[Maria Sousa]

She married Agostinho Medeiros Leite.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Paul  wrote:

> Just wondering what is written in the left column of my great grand aunts
> baptismo record. The record begins on the left page and ends on the upper
> right. The third word from the right looks to be "com" followed by the name
> Augusthino?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1870-1879_item1/P569.html
>
> Thanks,
> Paul G,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Post 1910 Church Records

[luiznoia .]

Hank,

I've connected with many Flores relatives in my research. One gave me
copies of censuses from the Ponta Delgada area taken in 1915 and 1922. He
said he got them from the local library there.

Eric Edgar

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> After 1910, the Civil Registries have the records. They probably won't let
> you do searches. The same for the churches. It's really hard to work
> forward with the records.  I've had limited luck on one ancestor on Sao
> Miguel. And it took a lot of pleading (but we had a time frame for her).
>
> Cheri
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Hank Cupper  wrote:
>
>>   I’m traveling to Flores, my home island, in late August with my cousin
>> Deanna.  We hope to find other cousins still living there.  Our direct
>> ancestors left in 1880, but thanks to Cheri and Rosemarie’s super workshop
>> in Salt Lake City I’ve now got a huge pre-1910 family tree.  They were
>> fertile and healthy!  Does anyone have advice or tips about getting access
>> to local church records in the islands?  I have a contact in the village,
>> but I don’t think she’s much of a church goer.  Do I contact the priest
>> directly?  Or do I have to contact the diocese first?  Or...??  If we can
>> just bridge a generation or two I think we’ll find we’re related to just
>> about everyone there!
>>
>> Hank Cupper
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] left column of baptism record

[Maria Sousa]

She married Agostinho Medeiros Liete, 23 years old of Mae de Deus, son of
Francisco Medeiros Leite, and Rosa Ludovina, November 17, 1898.  She died
in Mae de Deus, November 4, 1919.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Maria Sousa 
wrote:

> She married Agostinho Medeiros Leite.
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Paul  wrote:
>
>> Just wondering what is written in the left column of my great grand aunts
>> baptismo record. The record begins on the left page and ends on the upper
>> right. The third word from the right looks to be "com" followed by the name
>> Augusthino?
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1870-1879_item1/P569.html
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Paul G,
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passenger lists

[Maria Sousa]

I am also looking for passenger lists.  I have a g-gf who went to Brazil in
1887 on the Tamar from Liverpool to Rio de Janeiro. He went back to
Portugal (don't know if through Liverpool again) around 1999.  Would there
be any lists that show him arriving in Portugal.  I would like to see a
manifest because he left single and came back with a wife (or lady friend).


Thanks.

Maria Sousa

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Shirley Allegre 
wrote:

>  Who are you looking for?  I probably can help you.  I have 3 sources to
> look in.
> Shirley in CA
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Cheri Mello 
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 05, 2015 6:35 PM
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Passenger lists
>
> Repost for Tina Hawthorne,
>
> Do you know where we can find the passenger list for each migration? I
> have the passenger list for 4 May 1888 Steamship Abergeldie (British). I
> have to look at couple of different years because the census for my
> ancestors gave different years. and Ancestry.com does not have those list.
>
> Thank you in Advance,
> Tina
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Post 1910 Church Records

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

Most churches do not have records before 1910 because they were confiscated by 
the new Republic and became "civil records". Records before 1914 should be at 
the Archives and are usually available. 

As for post 1910 Church records, those are kept at the local parish. Access to 
them depends entirely on the parish priest. Some priests will only look up a 
particular record and issue it to you if he finds it. He will not research 
(much) nor will he allow you to go through the book yourself. Some priests will 
gladly engage you and do a thorough search. Other priests, especially if he is 
your cousin, or was your father's class mate, or knew your relatives well, 
might just sit you down in front of a desk, bring you the registers and tell 
you to knock yourself out. (Before anybody thinks I am exaggerating, I have had 
that felicitous experience myself and know of others who had that fortuitous 
response.)
It really all depends on the priest and/or you connections. "Cunhas" are still 
very important in the Azores. Do not let anybody tell you otherwise.
Good luck, Hank!
John M. Raposo
 


 On Thursday, July 9, 2015 12:36 PM, Marilyn Thompson  
wrote:
   

 If I remember right in 1911 the events -birth- marriage-deaths are in the 
civil registration offices. There should still be copy in the parish I would 
think.
I am sure someone with more knowledge will chime in.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Hank Cupper  wrote:

I’m traveling to Flores, my home island, in late August with my cousin Deanna.  
We hope to find other cousins still living there.  Our direct ancestors left in 
1880, but thanks to Cheri and Rosemarie’s super workshop in Salt Lake City I’ve 
now got a huge pre-1910 family tree.  They were fertile and healthy!  Does 
anyone have advice or tips about getting access to local church records in the 
islands?  I have a contact in the village, but I don’t think she’s much of a 
church goer.  Do I contact the priest directly?  Or do I have to contact the 
diocese first?  Or...??  If we can just bridge a generation or two I think 
we’ll find we’re related to just about everyone there! Hank Cupper-- 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Divino Espirito Santo (DES), Maia Records on CAA

[MaryAnn Santos]

Thank you, Júlio, your help is greatly appreciated.  I am trying to track
back through my Camara Leite, Leite de Medeiros, Leite, Camara de Pimentel,
Camara Botelho, Moniz and Pereira lines.

My ggg grandmother was Maria Vicencia da Camara Leite (married Maneul de
Medeiros Barbosa) and her mother was Maria da Estrella Leite (Maia) married
to José da Camara de Pimentel (Maia). Her parents were José Leite and Maria
Leite de Medeiros. José's parents were Manuel da Camara (Achadinha) and
Sebastiana de Pimentel or Amaral (Maia).

I can send you a report if there's anything of interest here.

Again, thanks for your help!

Best,
MaryAnn

Best,
MaryAnn Santos

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 3:10 AM, Júlio  wrote:

> Good morning
>
> I think that before 1665 record are in Vila Franca do Campo or Ponta
> Garça. what familys that you are lokking? I have ancestors in Maia and
> Porto Formoso.
>
> domingo, 5 de Julho de 2015 às 19:53:40 UTC, Maryann Santos escreveu:
>>
>> The Birth, Death, and Marriage records for Maia, DES begin 1665, 1673,
>> and 1674 respectively. I'm looking for earlier records for my Maia
>> ancestors and was wondering if they would be found in the Matriz da
>> Estrella, Rabo de Peixe, or Ribeira Seca archives.
>>
>> Any help would be much appreciated!
>>
>> MaryAnn Santos
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: J1-M365 type in two Azorean Islands: Ilha de São Miguel e Ilha do Pico

[A Faria]

Manny what surname does your uncle's line lead to in Sao Mateus I have 
several lines that lead there. I already know the other line leads to a 
Brum in the 1800's. It would be so much easier if  some lines didn't change 
the surname every few generations.


On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 8:53:12 AM UTC-7, Manuel Martins wrote:
>
> My father-in-law is from Ribeira do Meio Lajes, Pico.  
>
> My uncle in from Monte, Candelaria, his mother was from Criacao Velha and 
> his father from Monte, His paternal grand-father was from Sao Mateus and 
> his paternal grandmother from Monte.
>
> I hope this clarifies some of the confusion.
>
> Manny
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 1:29:20 PM UTC-4, Ricardo Costa de Oliveira 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks Cheri
>>
>> You are right. The samples are from Pico and they are related to the 
>> family of Senhor Manuel Martins. I think he also participates in this 
>> group. 
>> When we talked he told he was from the Zona da Madalena (Criação velha e 
>> vizinhanças) but his uncle and father-in-law were from other places in Pico.
>>  
>> Best 
>>  
>> Ricardo
>>  
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>>   You said: <>
>> One kit lists Sao Mateus and the other lists Lajes. I don't know where 
>> you got Criação Velha from.
>>
>> The N kit and the kit you compared yourself to are not part of the Azores 
>> project. :(
>> Cheri
>>
>>  
>>
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