Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Morisson name in Azores, late 18th/early 19th c.

[luiznoia .]

Here's a baptism  in Matriz. Faial for a daughter of D. Rosa Morrison
d'Oliveira

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-B-1875-1883/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-B-1875-1883_item1/P279.html


Eric Edgar


On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:05 PM, linda  wrote:

>
> Eliseu and Angela,
>
> Thank you both so much for your replies.   It looks like the Morisson
> family was quite mobile, moving readily among the islands.  I'll look up
> some of those birth and marriage records this evening.
>
> Luis Antonio da Costa Morisson would have been 48 years old when my 4xGGPs
> married.  My 4xGGF was likely somewhere between 23 to 33, and his father
> was already dead.  I can speculate that there might have been a business
> friendship between them.
>
> I found mention of "Morisson & Companhia" in a list of Casas Exportadoras
> de Fructa em Ponta Delgada published in 1864, fifty years after my
> ancestors were married.  So, at least a faction of the Morisson family was
> engaged in international mercantile trade to/from the islands-- albeit much
> later in time.
>
> Thanks so much!  I'm going to file these bits of information together with
> that section of the family, and keep my eyes open for more clues.
>
> :^D
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Julia Louisa de Silveira, born 1861, no location

[Julie Payne]

David,

I believe they immigrated in 1872 or 1873 into Boston Massachusetts. Her 
Husbands name was Henry Pickard he was from England. They got married in 
the United States in 1879, they were in San Francisco , Ca by the 1880 
census.

Thank you for your help,

Julie

On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 8:05:07 AM UTC-7, Kawika322 wrote:
>
> Hi Julie,
>
> What city/state did your ancestor immigrate, and about what year?. Also, 
> did she get married here in the US or in the Azores? What was the husbands 
> name? All this can help find the island she was from, looking at passenger 
> lists, passport records, and marriage records which could give her parents 
> names.
>
> David
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Pedro de Almeida Mascarenhas and Angela de Oliveira 1640 marriage in Rosario, Lagoa

[Erica Botelho]

Thank you Hermano.  Ledesma is a new name for my tree and I had not seen it in 
records before.

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Hermano C. Pires
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 8:57 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Pedro de Almeida Mascarenhas and 
Angela de Oliveira 1640 marriage in Rosario, Lagoa

 

Helo Erica
I read Margarida Ledesma.
Hermano

 

  _  

From: audiosource...@qwestoffice.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Pedro de Almeida Mascarenhas and Angela 
de Oliveira 1640 marriage in Rosario, Lagoa
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:44:58 -0800

I am having trouble with the second name of the groom’s mother in this marriage 
record – bottom entry

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683_item1/P91.html

 

I read Pedro Almeida son of Joao Almeida Mascarenhas and his wife Margarida 
___ of Fenais ?Ajuda?

 

Thank you for any suggestions/guesses!

Erica Botelho


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Pedro de Almeida Mascarenhas and Angela de Oliveira 1640 marriage in Rosario, Lagoa

[Hermano C. Pires]

Helo Erica
I read Margarida Ledesma.
Hermano
 
From: audiosource...@qwestoffice.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Pedro de Almeida Mascarenhas and Angela 
de Oliveira 1640 marriage in Rosario, Lagoa
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:44:58 -0800

I am having trouble with the second name of the groom’s mother in this marriage 
record – bottom 
entryhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683_item1/P91.html
 I read Pedro Almeida son of Joao Almeida Mascarenhas and his wife Margarida 
___ of Fenais ?Ajuda? Thank you for any suggestions/guesses!Erica Botelho




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage of Pedro de Almeida Mascarenhas and Angela de Oliveira 1640 marriage in Rosario, Lagoa

[Erica Botelho]

Thanks JR!

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JR
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 7:45 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage of Pedro de Almeida Mascarenhas and 
Angela de Oliveira 1640 marriage in Rosario, Lagoa

 

...Margarida Ledesma de fraguesia de Fenais da Cidade (Fenais da Luz) por sua 
legitima mulher Angelica d' Oliveira filha de Manoel d' Oliveira e de sua 
mulher Catharina Rapoza defuntos desta fraguesia e moradores...

 

JR


On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 8:45:06 PM UTC-5, audiosourceinc wrote:

I am having trouble with the second name of the groom’s mother in this marriage 
record – bottom entry

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683_item1/P91.html

 

I read Pedro Almeida son of Joao Almeida Mascarenhas and his wife Margarida 
___ of Fenais ?Ajuda?

 

Thank you for any suggestions/guesses!

Erica Botelho

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage of Pedro de Almeida Mascarenhas and Angela de Oliveira 1640 marriage in Rosario, Lagoa

[JR]

...Margarida Ledesma de fraguesia de Fenais da Cidade (Fenais da Luz) por 
sua legitima mulher Angelica d' Oliveira filha de Manoel d' Oliveira e de 
sua mulher Catharina Rapoza defuntos desta fraguesia e moradores...

JR

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 8:45:06 PM UTC-5, audiosourceinc wrote:
>
> I am having trouble with the second name of the groom’s mother in this 
> marriage record – bottom entry
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683_item1/P91.html
>
>  
>
> I read Pedro Almeida son of Joao Almeida Mascarenhas and his wife 
> Margarida ___ of Fenais ?Ajuda?
>
>  
>
> Thank you for any suggestions/guesses!
>
> Erica Botelho
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Pedro de Almeida Mascarenhas and Angela de Oliveira 1640 marriage in Rosario, Lagoa

[Erica Botelho]

I am having trouble with the second name of the groom's mother in this
marriage record - bottom entry

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1
683/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683_item1/P91.html

 

I read Pedro Almeida son of Joao Almeida Mascarenhas and his wife Margarida
___ of Fenais ?Ajuda?

 

Thank you for any suggestions/guesses!

Erica Botelho

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Morisson name in Azores, late 18th/early 19th c.

[linda]

Eliseu and Angela,

Thank you both so much for your replies.   It looks like the Morisson 
family was quite mobile, moving readily among the islands.  I'll look up 
some of those birth and marriage records this evening.  

Luis Antonio da Costa Morisson would have been 48 years old when my 4xGGPs 
married.  My 4xGGF was likely somewhere between 23 to 33, and his father 
was already dead.  I can speculate that there might have been a business 
friendship between them.  

I found mention of "Morisson & Companhia" in a list of Casas Exportadoras 
de Fructa em Ponta Delgada published in 1864, fifty years after my 
ancestors were married.  So, at least a faction of the Morisson family was 
engaged in international mercantile trade to/from the islands-- albeit much 
later in time.

Thanks so much!  I'm going to file these bits of information together with 
that section of the family, and keep my eyes open for more clues.

:^D







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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] João Afonso das Grotas Fundas

[Ângela Loura]

Yes, in the meantime i started reading the hole thread and was looking at
the info in geneall 

2015-11-02 18:01 GMT+00:00 Manita M :

> It's in Spain.
>
> Context - here is a post I made to a Spanish genealogy group:
>
> my 13x great grandfather was Joao Afonso de Pimentel birth circa 1400's in
> ? and died 02-Sep-1512 in Sao Miguel, Azores, PORTUGAL.  His parents are
> Alfonso de Pimentel y Enriquez, III conde de Benavente (born 1432 and died
> 1461 Benavente) and Maria Vigil de Quinones y Toledo (b. 1436 and died
> 12-Apr-1477 Toledo).  I need evidence that my 13x great grandfather is the
> child of this couple as there is mystery around him.
>
> http://www.xenealoxiasdoortegal.net/ortegal/pimentel.htm
> On Nov 2, 2015 12:56 PM, "Ângela Loura"  wrote:
>
>> Olá Manita,
>>
>> Do you mean Benavente in Portugal (mainland)?
>>
>> 2015-11-02 17:34 GMT+00:00 Manita M :
>>
>>> Hola!
>>>
>>> Is there anyone on this list that can share more information on the
>>> history and story beyond what JR provided for João Afonso das Grotas Fundas?
>>>
>>> I'm heading to Portugal on the 14th and I'm seriously considering a
>>> detour to Benavente, Spain but would like to be armed with more
>>> information.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a CCA link to Joao Afonso death record or are you
>>> relying on RR's information?
>>>
>>> Where was he born?  Does anyone have that record?
>>> On Sep 2, 2015 12:14 AM, "JR"  wrote:
>>>
 I will let people more knowledgeable about Joao Afonso discuss his
 history and story.

 For now I can tell you that Grotas Fundas is a neighbourhood, even
 today, on the eastern border of the village of Ponta Garca. Because of the
 hills and mountains, the town of Ponta Garca ends there and borders hills
 surrounding Ribeira Quente. There is a very nice beach at the bottom that
 was actually part of the property of Dr, Agusto Botelho de Simas. It was
 his summer home. He was a well known and respected doctor in the 1950-80
 era, based in Vila Franca, now deceased. There is a bust of him in the main
 square honoring his life and work. The beach is now public with public
 access. From there you get fabulous views of the peninsulas jutting out
 into the ocean, east and west, and south is the ocean.. And you might even
 see whales or dolphins swimming by. Looking east is Ribeira Quente, but its
 view is blocked by a huge rolling hills, beautiful in their right. Looking
 west is the coastline leading to Vila Franca, easily visible, an
 outstanding view.

 The land is rich and suitable for farming and was covered by vineyards
 in times past, and I guess that's what made it so attractive to our
 ancestors. Apparently, other well known families from the upper class owned
 land there. There is a trail, still in use for hikers, that people took in
 the past, by foot and donkey from Grotas Fudas to Ribeira Quente. They were
 mostly cousins, farm workers and fisherfolk and exchanged produce and
 goods. You often read about ancestors that lived in Grotas Fundas or the
 place called "Ribeira Quente, limit de fraguesia de Ponta Garca." It was
 also the shortest way to Ribeira Quente and Povoacao. Otherwise, you have
 to go north, way up to the main road, where essentially you are on top of
 hill. There is a long, winding and steep road, called the Guiteria that
 starts at Grotas Fundas and makes it way up the main road. It is pastoral
 and you might encounter cows on the moo-ve! Sorry couldn't resist. At the
 top you will be rewarded with a vista of the whole of Ponta Garca and Vila
 Franca. Take your camera!

 JR



 On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 9:02:45 PM UTC-4, manita.morgado wrote:
>
> I would like the answer to that question too!
>
> I have a few questions:
>
> 1.  What is the story?
>
> I tried to read the section on him in "Familias Antigas Povoação" but
> my Portuguese is limited.  I only recognize words ...something about
> torture, abandon, going to Rome to ask the Pope for forgiveness, walking 
> to
> Santiago de Compostela and building a hospital.
>
> 2.  What is the controversy?
>
> 3.  Is there further study being done on him?  What other source
> records exist on him?
>
> 4.  Now that we have DNA testing.  Is it possible now to prove who he
> was?
>
> I'm completely fascinated.
>
> 5.  Also.   Where exactly if Grotas Fundas?  I want to go visit this
> place when I go to Sao Miguel next week.
>
> Looking foward to any information you have on him.
>
> Thank you!
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Reward for my elusive family member

["E" Sharp]

Over 20 years ago, I promised my mom I would find her mother's baptism
record. I have had other's help me in my search but to no avail.  We have
found many of her brothers and sisters but not her record - so when my
children asked me what I wanted for Christmas this year, I told them I
wanted to keep this promise. They all chipped in and through them I am
offering a *$100 (USD) reward or conversion to your currency *if you find
my grandmother's baptism record.  If you need a little extra Christmas
money and would like to make this lister very happy,  here is the pertinent
information:

*Name:  Isabelle Victor -- born after Oct. 1881 and before Jan. 1885 Azores*
*Parents:  Antonio Victor and Romana Augusta*
*   (they are both from mainland Portugal)*

These parents were circus performers; I have no idea why they went to the
Azores but it seems they travelled to many of the islands performing and
had children born (first one 1870) in Terceira, Faial, Sao Jorge and Sao
Miguel and I do not know where in the Azores Isabelle was born. I do not
need any of her siblings records. If you happen to find one I do not have,
I will send you $25 USD/conversion for the record. If you happen upon the
death record for Romana Augusta who died between 1889-1891, I do not know
where, I will gladly pay $25 for this record.

*Please do not reply to this list!!  I will not respond.  Send any
questions, etc. to my personal email address bellemarco at gmail dot com*

This would be a great Christmas present for me.  Thank you. "E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] João Afonso das Grotas Fundas

[Manita M]

It's in Spain.

Context - here is a post I made to a Spanish genealogy group:

my 13x great grandfather was Joao Afonso de Pimentel birth circa 1400's in
? and died 02-Sep-1512 in Sao Miguel, Azores, PORTUGAL.  His parents are
Alfonso de Pimentel y Enriquez, III conde de Benavente (born 1432 and died
1461 Benavente) and Maria Vigil de Quinones y Toledo (b. 1436 and died
12-Apr-1477 Toledo).  I need evidence that my 13x great grandfather is the
child of this couple as there is mystery around him.

http://www.xenealoxiasdoortegal.net/ortegal/pimentel.htm
On Nov 2, 2015 12:56 PM, "Ângela Loura"  wrote:

> Olá Manita,
>
> Do you mean Benavente in Portugal (mainland)?
>
> 2015-11-02 17:34 GMT+00:00 Manita M :
>
>> Hola!
>>
>> Is there anyone on this list that can share more information on the
>> history and story beyond what JR provided for João Afonso das Grotas Fundas?
>>
>> I'm heading to Portugal on the 14th and I'm seriously considering a
>> detour to Benavente, Spain but would like to be armed with more
>> information.
>>
>> Does anyone have a CCA link to Joao Afonso death record or are you
>> relying on RR's information?
>>
>> Where was he born?  Does anyone have that record?
>> On Sep 2, 2015 12:14 AM, "JR"  wrote:
>>
>>> I will let people more knowledgeable about Joao Afonso discuss his
>>> history and story.
>>>
>>> For now I can tell you that Grotas Fundas is a neighbourhood, even
>>> today, on the eastern border of the village of Ponta Garca. Because of the
>>> hills and mountains, the town of Ponta Garca ends there and borders hills
>>> surrounding Ribeira Quente. There is a very nice beach at the bottom that
>>> was actually part of the property of Dr, Agusto Botelho de Simas. It was
>>> his summer home. He was a well known and respected doctor in the 1950-80
>>> era, based in Vila Franca, now deceased. There is a bust of him in the main
>>> square honoring his life and work. The beach is now public with public
>>> access. From there you get fabulous views of the peninsulas jutting out
>>> into the ocean, east and west, and south is the ocean.. And you might even
>>> see whales or dolphins swimming by. Looking east is Ribeira Quente, but its
>>> view is blocked by a huge rolling hills, beautiful in their right. Looking
>>> west is the coastline leading to Vila Franca, easily visible, an
>>> outstanding view.
>>>
>>> The land is rich and suitable for farming and was covered by vineyards
>>> in times past, and I guess that's what made it so attractive to our
>>> ancestors. Apparently, other well known families from the upper class owned
>>> land there. There is a trail, still in use for hikers, that people took in
>>> the past, by foot and donkey from Grotas Fudas to Ribeira Quente. They were
>>> mostly cousins, farm workers and fisherfolk and exchanged produce and
>>> goods. You often read about ancestors that lived in Grotas Fundas or the
>>> place called "Ribeira Quente, limit de fraguesia de Ponta Garca." It was
>>> also the shortest way to Ribeira Quente and Povoacao. Otherwise, you have
>>> to go north, way up to the main road, where essentially you are on top of
>>> hill. There is a long, winding and steep road, called the Guiteria that
>>> starts at Grotas Fundas and makes it way up the main road. It is pastoral
>>> and you might encounter cows on the moo-ve! Sorry couldn't resist. At the
>>> top you will be rewarded with a vista of the whole of Ponta Garca and Vila
>>> Franca. Take your camera!
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 9:02:45 PM UTC-4, manita.morgado wrote:

 I would like the answer to that question too!

 I have a few questions:

 1.  What is the story?

 I tried to read the section on him in "Familias Antigas Povoação" but
 my Portuguese is limited.  I only recognize words ...something about
 torture, abandon, going to Rome to ask the Pope for forgiveness, walking to
 Santiago de Compostela and building a hospital.

 2.  What is the controversy?

 3.  Is there further study being done on him?  What other source
 records exist on him?

 4.  Now that we have DNA testing.  Is it possible now to prove who he
 was?

 I'm completely fascinated.

 5.  Also.   Where exactly if Grotas Fundas?  I want to go visit this
 place when I go to Sao Miguel next week.

 Looking foward to any information you have on him.

 Thank you!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] João Afonso das Grotas Fundas

[Ângela Loura]

Olá Manita,

Do you mean Benavente in Portugal (mainland)?

2015-11-02 17:34 GMT+00:00 Manita M :

> Hola!
>
> Is there anyone on this list that can share more information on the
> history and story beyond what JR provided for João Afonso das Grotas Fundas?
>
> I'm heading to Portugal on the 14th and I'm seriously considering a detour
> to Benavente, Spain but would like to be armed with more information.
>
> Does anyone have a CCA link to Joao Afonso death record or are you relying
> on RR's information?
>
> Where was he born?  Does anyone have that record?
> On Sep 2, 2015 12:14 AM, "JR"  wrote:
>
>> I will let people more knowledgeable about Joao Afonso discuss his
>> history and story.
>>
>> For now I can tell you that Grotas Fundas is a neighbourhood, even today,
>> on the eastern border of the village of Ponta Garca. Because of the hills
>> and mountains, the town of Ponta Garca ends there and borders hills
>> surrounding Ribeira Quente. There is a very nice beach at the bottom that
>> was actually part of the property of Dr, Agusto Botelho de Simas. It was
>> his summer home. He was a well known and respected doctor in the 1950-80
>> era, based in Vila Franca, now deceased. There is a bust of him in the main
>> square honoring his life and work. The beach is now public with public
>> access. From there you get fabulous views of the peninsulas jutting out
>> into the ocean, east and west, and south is the ocean.. And you might even
>> see whales or dolphins swimming by. Looking east is Ribeira Quente, but its
>> view is blocked by a huge rolling hills, beautiful in their right. Looking
>> west is the coastline leading to Vila Franca, easily visible, an
>> outstanding view.
>>
>> The land is rich and suitable for farming and was covered by vineyards in
>> times past, and I guess that's what made it so attractive to our ancestors.
>> Apparently, other well known families from the upper class owned land
>> there. There is a trail, still in use for hikers, that people took in the
>> past, by foot and donkey from Grotas Fudas to Ribeira Quente. They were
>> mostly cousins, farm workers and fisherfolk and exchanged produce and
>> goods. You often read about ancestors that lived in Grotas Fundas or the
>> place called "Ribeira Quente, limit de fraguesia de Ponta Garca." It was
>> also the shortest way to Ribeira Quente and Povoacao. Otherwise, you have
>> to go north, way up to the main road, where essentially you are on top of
>> hill. There is a long, winding and steep road, called the Guiteria that
>> starts at Grotas Fundas and makes it way up the main road. It is pastoral
>> and you might encounter cows on the moo-ve! Sorry couldn't resist. At the
>> top you will be rewarded with a vista of the whole of Ponta Garca and Vila
>> Franca. Take your camera!
>>
>> JR
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 9:02:45 PM UTC-4, manita.morgado wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like the answer to that question too!
>>>
>>> I have a few questions:
>>>
>>> 1.  What is the story?
>>>
>>> I tried to read the section on him in "Familias Antigas Povoação" but my
>>> Portuguese is limited.  I only recognize words ...something about torture,
>>> abandon, going to Rome to ask the Pope for forgiveness, walking to Santiago
>>> de Compostela and building a hospital.
>>>
>>> 2.  What is the controversy?
>>>
>>> 3.  Is there further study being done on him?  What other source records
>>> exist on him?
>>>
>>> 4.  Now that we have DNA testing.  Is it possible now to prove who he
>>> was?
>>>
>>> I'm completely fascinated.
>>>
>>> 5.  Also.   Where exactly if Grotas Fundas?  I want to go visit this
>>> place when I go to Sao Miguel next week.
>>>
>>> Looking foward to any information you have on him.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[Dave Worman]

Eric,

Thank you for taking the time to map this out for me.   I printed it up and
have been studying it.  Amazing!

Thank you,   Dave

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:17 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> This was a very tricky family to sort out. I'm going to post what I have
> for the group to see if anyone relates to these families, has worked on
> related families, or just for a second look at things.
>
> First, there are three Jose Martins Cotta who left Biscoitos, Terceira
> within a few months in 1901. Two of those came to the Tulare, Kings, Fresno
> area. Two of them had brothers named Francisco.
>
> One of the fathers was Jose Martins Cotta, and one was Manuel Martins
> Cotta.
>
> I do not have draft notices that fit the two who appear on the 1910 census
> in Kaweah, Tulare
>
> I have no clear death record for Frank M Cotta.
>
>
> I'll post a number of records in a few messages
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> *Descendants of Jose Martins Cotta*
>
>
>
>
>
> *Generation No. 1*
>
>
>
> *1.*  JOSE MARTINS2 COTTA*  (J**OSE** M**ARTIN*1*)*  He married MARIA B
> ALBINA, daughter of JOSE OURIQUE and JOSEFA CONSTANCIA.
>
>
>
> Children of JOSE COTTA and MARIA BALBINA are:
>
> 2.i.JOSE MARTIN3 COTTA, b. 19 Mar 1882, Biscoitos,
> Terceira, Azores; d. 12 Jun 1961, Chino, San Bernardino, California.
>
>   ii.FRANCISCO MARTIN COTTA, b. 21 Nov 1884,
> Biscoitos, Terceira, Azores.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Generation No. 2*
>
>
>
> *2.*  JOSE MARTIN3 COTTA* (J**OSE** M**ARTINS*2*, J**OSE** M**ARTIN*1*)*
> was born 19 Mar 1882 in Biscoitos, Terceira, Azores, and died 12 Jun 1961
> in Chino, San Bernardino, California.  He married MARIA M CONCEIACO 12
> Sep 1901 in Lowell, Massachucetts, daughter of JOSE CONCEICAO and JOSEFA.
>
>
>
>
> Children of JOSE COTTA and MARIA CONCEIACO are:
>
>i.MARY M4 COTTA, b. 31 Jan 1903, Taunton, Bristol,
> Massachucetts; d. 15 May 1990, Tulare. California; m. SOUZA.
>
> 3.   ii.VELMA COTTA, b. 15 Mar 1910, California; d. 30
> Jan 1971, Tulare. California.
>
> 4.  iii.ROSE ALICE COTTA, b. 1913, California; d. 24 Sep
> 2014, Tulare. California.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Generation No. 3*
>
>
>
> *3.*  VELMA4 COTTA* (J**OSE** M**ARTIN*3*, J**OSE** M**ARTINS*2*, J**OSE**
> M**ARTIN*1*)* was born 15 Mar 1910 in California, and died 30 Jan 1971 in
> Tulare. California.  She married (1) MANUEL M COELHO 1923 in Tulare,
> California.She married (2) JOE G HUGHES 1933 in Reno, Nevada.
>
>
>
> Child of VELMA COTTA and MANUEL COELHO is:
>
>i.EDWARD5 COELHO, b. 1926, California.
>
>
>
>
>
> *4.*  ROSE ALICE4 COTTA* (J**OSE** M**ARTIN*3*, J**OSE** M**ARTINS*2*, J*
> *OSE** M**ARTIN*1*)* was born 1913 in California, and died 24 Sep 2014 in
> Tulare. California.  She married JOSEPH LEAL, son of LEAL and BORGES.  He
> was born 08 Feb 1910 in Azores, and died 28 Dec 1999 in Tulare. California.
>
>
>
> Children of ROSE COTTA and JOSEPH LEAL are:
>
>i.DOLORES5 LEAL.
>
>   ii.LUCILLE LEAL.
>
>  iii.IRENE LEAL.
>
>  iv.MARY LEAL.
>
>   v.ALICE LEAL.
>
>  vi.TERESA LEAL.
>
> vii.LAURA LEAL.
>
>viii.JOSEPH LEAL.
>
>  ix.JAMES LEAL.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 5:33 PM, nancy jean baptiste <
> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations! What a thrill it must be to talk with your cousin! Your
>> mother's sisters daughter! Thank you for sharing this mystery as it
>> unfolded. For those of us who are your cousins, there's still that mystery
>> of "how/who/ when? Do you have a connection to the Azores yet? I know there
>> was talk of looking at the passports. You already have your MTDNA...right?
>>
>> Best regards  for the continued story unfolding I like
>> Belmiraaka, Velma..married at 13you have a good story there.
>>
>> Nancy Jean
>>
>> --
>> From: azores@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta
>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 16:43:34 -0700
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>> How wonderful! So many of us have watched this quest unfold and it is so
>> nice to read of your success!
>>
>> Susan Vargas Murphy
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 28, 2015, at 9:22 AM, Dave Worman  wrote:
>>
>> Success!!!
>>
>> Thank you to each and every one of you who have spent time searching on
>> my behalf and to each one of you following this thread.  I could not have
>> done it without you.  You are an answer to my prayers!  God Bless you!
>>
>> I have been searching for Velma Cotta, my birth mother, for most of my
>> adult life with no results beyond finding out her name and marriage to my
>> birth father.   Due to the help from members of this group - she has been
>> identified and I have been able to locate and contact my actual, real 1st
>> cousin!  A child of Velma's sister!
>>
>> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] João Afonso das Grotas Fundas

[Manita M]

Hola!

Is there anyone on this list that can share more information on the history
and story beyond what JR provided for João Afonso das Grotas Fundas?

I'm heading to Portugal on the 14th and I'm seriously considering a detour
to Benavente, Spain but would like to be armed with more information.

Does anyone have a CCA link to Joao Afonso death record or are you relying
on RR's information?

Where was he born?  Does anyone have that record?
On Sep 2, 2015 12:14 AM, "JR"  wrote:

> I will let people more knowledgeable about Joao Afonso discuss his history
> and story.
>
> For now I can tell you that Grotas Fundas is a neighbourhood, even today,
> on the eastern border of the village of Ponta Garca. Because of the hills
> and mountains, the town of Ponta Garca ends there and borders hills
> surrounding Ribeira Quente. There is a very nice beach at the bottom that
> was actually part of the property of Dr, Agusto Botelho de Simas. It was
> his summer home. He was a well known and respected doctor in the 1950-80
> era, based in Vila Franca, now deceased. There is a bust of him in the main
> square honoring his life and work. The beach is now public with public
> access. From there you get fabulous views of the peninsulas jutting out
> into the ocean, east and west, and south is the ocean.. And you might even
> see whales or dolphins swimming by. Looking east is Ribeira Quente, but its
> view is blocked by a huge rolling hills, beautiful in their right. Looking
> west is the coastline leading to Vila Franca, easily visible, an
> outstanding view.
>
> The land is rich and suitable for farming and was covered by vineyards in
> times past, and I guess that's what made it so attractive to our ancestors.
> Apparently, other well known families from the upper class owned land
> there. There is a trail, still in use for hikers, that people took in the
> past, by foot and donkey from Grotas Fudas to Ribeira Quente. They were
> mostly cousins, farm workers and fisherfolk and exchanged produce and
> goods. You often read about ancestors that lived in Grotas Fundas or the
> place called "Ribeira Quente, limit de fraguesia de Ponta Garca." It was
> also the shortest way to Ribeira Quente and Povoacao. Otherwise, you have
> to go north, way up to the main road, where essentially you are on top of
> hill. There is a long, winding and steep road, called the Guiteria that
> starts at Grotas Fundas and makes it way up the main road. It is pastoral
> and you might encounter cows on the moo-ve! Sorry couldn't resist. At the
> top you will be rewarded with a vista of the whole of Ponta Garca and Vila
> Franca. Take your camera!
>
> JR
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 9:02:45 PM UTC-4, manita.morgado wrote:
>>
>> I would like the answer to that question too!
>>
>> I have a few questions:
>>
>> 1.  What is the story?
>>
>> I tried to read the section on him in "Familias Antigas Povoação" but my
>> Portuguese is limited.  I only recognize words ...something about torture,
>> abandon, going to Rome to ask the Pope for forgiveness, walking to Santiago
>> de Compostela and building a hospital.
>>
>> 2.  What is the controversy?
>>
>> 3.  Is there further study being done on him?  What other source records
>> exist on him?
>>
>> 4.  Now that we have DNA testing.  Is it possible now to prove who he
>> was?
>>
>> I'm completely fascinated.
>>
>> 5.  Also.   Where exactly if Grotas Fundas?  I want to go visit this
>> place when I go to Sao Miguel next week.
>>
>> Looking foward to any information you have on him.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] FW: Rebelo de Oliveira - surname

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi!

Does anyone have notes on REBELO DE OLIVEIRA surname? Possibbly from Fenais
da Ajuda (former Fenais da Vera Cruz)

 

Muito Obrigado,

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] FW: DUQUE CAETANO

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

 

 

Hi!

Does anyone have any news on DUQUE CAETANO surname?

Thank you in advance.

Muito Obrigado,

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel-son of Manuel Silveira of Ribeiras Pico Azores b. 25 Jul 1741

[Evee Silva Kiler]

I had looked at this record and that lead me to the Ribeiras church records 
to try to find any or all of the "spouses" listed to help with my "quest". 
 You've given me some great leads for other places to focus...as well as 
help with the record I am trying to translate!!  Evee

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 12:10:55 AM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote:
>
> This Maria Silveira, considering the time period ?
>
>
>
> Maria 
> 
>  Silveira 
> [image:
>  
> <<] 
> 
>  [image: ^^] 
> 
>
>- Nascida a 25 de Dezembro de 1755
>- Falecida a 31 de Outubro de 1822
>- Com a idade de 66 anos
>
> Pais
>
>- Pedro Silveira 
>
> 
> *+1797*
>- Bárbara Silveira 
>
> 
> *+1790*
>
> Casamentos e filhos
>
>- Casada *a 8 de Janeiro de 1791* com António Silveira Carauta 
>
> 
> *+1802*, tiveram
>   - José ? 
>   
> 
>*1791*
>   - Manuel Silveira Machado 
>   
> 
>*1793-1832*
>   - Maria Josefa 
>   
> 
>*+1873*
>- Casada com Manuel Silveira Costa 
>
> 
> *+1822*, tiveram
>   - Ana Josefa 
>   
> 
>*1774-1814*
>   - Maria ? 
>   
> 
>*1775-1776*
>   - Maria Silveira 
>   
> 
>*1776*
>   - Bárbara ? 
>   
> 
>*1779*
>   - Isabel Jacinta 
>   
> 
>*1781-1852*
>- Casada *a 5 de Agosto de 1801* com Manuel Silveira Costa 
>
> 
> *+1804*
>- 
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Evee Silva Kiler  > wrote:
>
>> I need some help with the following baptism record:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749_item1/P74.html
>>
>> Manuel is the first complete baptism record on the page at the right.
>>
>> I don't know what the note in the left margin means.  It seems to be the 
>> same for most people in this book of baptisms.
>>
>> This is what I think I see in the baptism record:
>>
>> Manuel, son of Manuel Silveira Costa???[I can't read the mother's 
>> name...looks like Rozia da ]
>> residents of this freguesia parish of Santa Barbara Ribeiras 
>> 
>> born 25th day of the month of July 1741 ??? baptism by me  [I don't 
>> understand the abbreviation for his "title"] of this church underwritten 
>> and assigned the 30th day of this month and this year.  
>>
>> For godparents:  Bartholomu Homem husband of Maria Silveria and Roza da 
>> [??] wife of So??? Balthazar
>>
>> I don't understand the writing after Balthazar.
>>
>> Pretty sketchy, I know, but I am having a terrible time reading the 
>> writing with all the abreviations of this priest, Thome Cardoso Machado???
>>
>> What I'm looking for, of course, are the names within the record and any 
>> information specific to the individuals...beyond the "boiler-plate" 
>> language that appears in most of the records of this time and place.
>>
>> I'm looking for Manuel Silveira Costa who was the husband of my 3rd great 
>> grand aunt...Maria Silveira...all of Ribeiras, Pico, I believe.
>>
>> Thank you for any help!  
>>
>> Evee Silva Kiler
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel-son of Manuel Silveira of Ribeiras Pico Azores b. 25 Jul 1741

[Evee Silva Kiler]

Thanks for your time, Cheri.  I spent a lot of time yesterday on the record 
getting as much as I could before "opening it up" for the group to help. 
 This is an awesome forum!!

On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 9:03:37 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I'm not sure of the 2nd surname of Manuel Silveira ___. I want to say 
> da Costa, but with his other de,do,da stuff - well it looks a bit off to me.
>
> Linda got the wife correct.
>
> I think I'm reading Pontas Negros at the end of line 3. I don't know if 
> this is a street or neighborhood in Ribeiras (I don't research Pico).
>
> Linda has the rest correct.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Morisson name in Azores, late 18th/early 19th c.

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Linda,

Found him at Geneall:

Luís António da Costa Morisson
b: Angra do Heroísmo, Sé, 03.02.1765
d: Ponta Delgada, S. Sebastião, 20.06.1827

Father: Louis Antoine Morisson
Mother: Antónia Jacinta (b. 27.10.1727)
(marriage: Ponta Delgada, Matriz de S. Sebastião, 12.09.1768)

PGF: Louis Caignaut
PGM: Jeanne Morisson



2015-11-02 6:25 GMT+00:00 linda :

>
> hi all,
>
> Can anyone provide information on this name/family?
>
> Luis Antonio da Costa Morisson signed as a witness to the marriage of one
> of my 4xGGP's on Terceira in 1813, and I'm very curious as to what the
> connection could possibly have been.
>
> I know there were English and American merchants and their families in the
> islands during this period, but the references I've checked (Familias
> Faialenses and the book by Francis M. Rogers) don't include the name.  If
> anyone can suggest other potential leads, I'd appreciate it too.
>
> Here is the record, in case any one is curious to see it:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1813-1828/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1813-1828_item1/P4.html
>
> right side (Antonio Machado Fagundes and Victoria Angelica)
>
> The marriage took place in Santa Barbara, where much of my family was
> situated.  All three of the witnesses were from Angra and do not appear to
> be relatives-- all unusual for the time and place in what I've seen in the
> other marriage records for my family there.
>
> thanks in advance for any help with this little mystery,
>
> Linda
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel-son of Manuel Silveira of Ribeiras Pico Azores b. 25 Jul 1741

[Evee Silva Kiler]

Thank you for the "tip" regarding Ribeiras records and for the other 
suggestions.  Most of my research has been for Santo Amaro, Pico so far, 
but now the earlier ancestors are leading me to other freguesias.

On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 9:59:13 PM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote:
>
> I have found while  researching my  Ribeiras families, that many records 
> are filed in Lajes. My Silveira Soares family there lived in Terras, 
> between the two churches. 
>
> A marriage record may be found in Lajes , but baptisms in Ribeiras, then 
> obito in Lajes for the same person
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 7:52 PM, luiznoia .  > wrote:
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>> Manuel, filho de Manuel Silveira Carauta e Maria da Encarnacion 
>>
>> baptised 25 Julho 1741
>>
>> he died 24 Janeiro 1742
>>
>> by cross referencing the UMinho site
>>
>>
>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;i=905;oc=127 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 6:53 PM, linda > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Evee,
>>>
>>> Here's a stab at it.  
>>>
>>> I can't read the father's second surname, but I don't think it's Costa 
>>> though it could be da Costa. 
>>>
>>> The mother's name looks like Maria da Encarnacao (Maria do En CarnaCam)
>>>
>>> I read the date the same as you do.   I can't make out what it says 
>>> after Ribeirinhas.
>>>
>>> I see "foi baptizado por mim o Cura desta Igza"  Igza = igresia,  Cura = 
>>> curate
>>>
>>> Godmother is Roza da ConCeiCam (Rosa da Conceicao) m.er do Sargento (?) 
>>> Balthazar  Vieyra.  I don't know if it is "sargento"; my brain wants to 
>>> turn it into Lorenzo, but letter by letter, sargento seems to fit better.
>>>
>>> The margin note is Latin and means "(he/it) has it not"  I've never seen 
>>> that before and have no idea what it means.
>>>
>>> best wishes,
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 1:02:01 PM UTC-8, Evee Silva Kiler wrote:

 I need some help with the following baptism record:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749_item1/P74.html

 Manuel is the first complete baptism record on the page at the right.

 I don't know what the note in the left margin means.  It seems to be 
 the same for most people in this book of baptisms.

 This is what I think I see in the baptism record:

 Manuel, son of Manuel Silveira Costa???[I can't read the 
 mother's name...looks like Rozia da ]
 residents of this freguesia parish of Santa Barbara Ribeiras 
 
 born 25th day of the month of July 1741 ??? baptism by me  [I don't 
 understand the abbreviation for his "title"] of this church underwritten 
 and assigned the 30th day of this month and this year.  

 For godparents:  Bartholomu Homem husband of Maria Silveria and Roza da 
 [??] wife of So??? Balthazar

 I don't understand the writing after Balthazar.

 Pretty sketchy, I know, but I am having a terrible time reading the 
 writing with all the abreviations of this priest, Thome Cardoso Machado???

 What I'm looking for, of course, are the names within the record and 
 any information specific to the individuals...beyond the "boiler-plate" 
 language that appears in most of the records of this time and place.

 I'm looking for Manuel Silveira Costa who was the husband of my 3rd 
 great grand aunt...Maria Silveira...all of Ribeiras, Pico, I believe.

 Thank you for any help!  

 Evee Silva Kiler





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Morisson name in Azores, late 18th/early 19th c.

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi!

The Morrisson were spread (at least) in Ponta Delgada, Terceira and Faial.

 

 

Muito Obrigado,

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)

(http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)

 

 

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de linda
Enviada: 2 de novembro de 2015 05:25
Para: Azores Genealogy 
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Morisson name in Azores, late 18th/early 19th c.

 


hi all,

Can anyone provide information on this name/family?

Luis Antonio da Costa Morisson signed as a witness to the marriage of one of my 
4xGGP's on Terceira in 1813, and I'm very curious as to what the connection 
could possibly have been.

I know there were English and American merchants and their families in the 
islands during this period, but the references I've checked (Familias 
Faialenses and the book by Francis M. Rogers) don't include the name.  If 
anyone can suggest other potential leads, I'd appreciate it too.

Here is the record, in case any one is curious to see it:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1813-1828/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1813-1828_item1/P4.html

right side (Antonio Machado Fagundes and Victoria Angelica)

The marriage took place in Santa Barbara, where much of my family was situated. 
 All three of the witnesses were from Angra and do not appear to be relatives-- 
all unusual for the time and place in what I've seen in the other marriage 
records for my family there.  

thanks in advance for any help with this little mystery,

Linda

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