Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[JR]

Sorry, had to delete first post as I had the wrong Manuel. Below is the 
1896 marriage.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
 


Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com Escholastica 
de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) elle idade de 
trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, fallecida n'esta 
dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi baptizado, filho 
de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da fraguesia de NS da 
Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte e nove annos 
domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do Senhor Bom 
Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e Maria 
Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e Joao 
Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 2:01:53 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>
> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso 
> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on 
> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His 
> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried 
> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  
> wrote:
>
>> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego 
>> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>>
>> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com 
>> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) 
>> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, 
>> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi 
>> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da 
>> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte 
>> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do 
>> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e 
>> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e 
>> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>>
>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Linda McL,

 You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what 
 they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before 
 radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or 
 grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And 
 childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a 
 liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be 
 just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and 
 believe most things they are told.

 Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think 
 it said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
 margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
 dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could 
 someone 
 have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make 
 mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order 
 Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of 
  and is marrying Maria Cabral.

 You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of 
 Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896. 
 It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.

 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in 
 the Azores.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Militar Records?

[Linda McLellan]

Does anyone know if there is a way to search Military records for Sao 
Miguel?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Linda McLellan]

That is really interesting that his son came from Lagoa to Rabo de Peixe.  
Do you know when or the name of the woman he married?

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 2:01:53 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>
> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso 
> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on 
> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His 
> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried 
> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  
> wrote:
>
>> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego 
>> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>>
>> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com 
>> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) 
>> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, 
>> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi 
>> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da 
>> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte 
>> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do 
>> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e 
>> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e 
>> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>>
>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Linda McL,

 You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what 
 they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before 
 radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or 
 grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And 
 childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a 
 liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be 
 just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and 
 believe most things they are told.

 Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think 
 it said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
 margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
 dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could 
 someone 
 have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make 
 mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order 
 Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of 
  and is marrying Maria Cabral.

 You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of 
 Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896. 
 It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.

 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in 
 the Azores.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Fregoso Mello to Hawaii

[lilisele...@hotmail.com]

hello I am from sao miguel and I am still your family

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Linda McLellan]

Thank you to everyone for helping me on my quest, you are all amazing!!!

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 3:38:27 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>
> Sorry, had to delete first post as I had the wrong Manuel. Below is the 
> 1896 marriage.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>  
> 
>
> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com 
> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) 
> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, 
> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi 
> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da 
> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte 
> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do 
> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e 
> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e 
> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 2:01:53 PM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>>
>> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso 
>> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on 
>> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His 
>> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried 
>> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  wrote:
>>
>>> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego 
>>> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>>>
>>> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com 
>>> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) 
>>> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, 
>>> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi 
>>> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da 
>>> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte 
>>> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do 
>>> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e 
>>> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e 
>>> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:

 Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research

 On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Linda McL,
>
> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what 
> they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially 
> before 
> radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or 
> grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And 
> childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a 
> liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be 
> just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and 
> believe most things they are told.
>
> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think 
> it said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could 
> someone 
> have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make 
> mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order 
> Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of 
>  and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>
> You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of 
> Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 
> 1896. 
> It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.
>
> 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in 
> the Azores.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Child's given name

[Paul]

Margaret, your note about the father's surname made me go back and check 
the other seven baptismo records. Sure enough his surname *is* Tabicos.

Paul G.

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 1:38:25 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>
> Felisberto, a happy name.
>
> JR
>
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 1:25:20 PM UTC-5, Paul wrote:
>>
>> I hope I DO NOT get snowed in while at work. Anyway here is my request, I 
>> am trying to figure out the child's given name. The parents are Manuel 
>> Furtado Tabias and Anna de Resendes (my 4th great grandparents).
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1827-1840/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1827-1840_item1/P15.html
>>  
>> (top of left page)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Paul G.
>>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Child's given name

[Margaret Vicente]

The name is Felisberto.  Also note the father's last name is Tabicos as it
is written but somehow also evolved as Tabicas (feminine)

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Paul  wrote:

> I hope I DO NOT get snowed in while at work. Anyway here is my request, I
> am trying to figure out the child's given name. The parents are Manuel
> Furtado Tabias and Anna de Resendes (my 4th great grandparents).
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1827-1840/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1827-1840_item1/P15.html
> (top of left page)
>
> Thanks,
> Paul G.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[JR]

Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego Meireles/Meibeles? 
native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html

Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com Escholastica 
de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) elle idade de 
trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, fallecida n'esta 
dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi baptizado, filho 
de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da fraguesia de NS da 
Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte e nove annos 
domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do Senhor Bom 
Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e Maria 
Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e Joao 
Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>
> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Linda McL,
>>
>> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what they 
>> are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio 
>> and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents 
>> and retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories 
>> can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is 
>> telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was 
>> told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they 
>> are told.
>>
>> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it 
>> said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
>> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
>> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone 
>> have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make 
>> mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order 
>> Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of 
>>  and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>>
>> You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of 
>> Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896. 
>> It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.
>>
>> 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in 
>> the Azores.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Child's given name

[Paul]

I hope I DO NOT get snowed in while at work. Anyway here is my request, I 
am trying to figure out the child's given name. The parents are Manuel 
Furtado Tabias and Anna de Resendes (my 4th great grandparents).

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1827-1840/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1827-1840_item1/P15.html
 
(top of left page)

Thanks,
Paul G.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Child's given name

[JR]

Felisberto, a happy name.

JR

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 1:25:20 PM UTC-5, Paul wrote:
>
> I hope I DO NOT get snowed in while at work. Anyway here is my request, I 
> am trying to figure out the child's given name. The parents are Manuel 
> Furtado Tabias and Anna de Resendes (my 4th great grandparents).
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1827-1840/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1827-1840_item1/P15.html
>  
> (top of left page)
>
> Thanks,
> Paul G.
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Margaret Vicente]

Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso
line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on
with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His
son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried
the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  wrote:

> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego
> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>
> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com
> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?)
> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus,
> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi
> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da
> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte
> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do
> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e
> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e
> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>>
>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Linda McL,
>>>
>>> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what
>>> they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before
>>> radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or
>>> grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And
>>> childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a
>>> liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be
>>> just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and
>>> believe most things they are told.
>>>
>>> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it
>>> said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen
>>> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was
>>> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone
>>> have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make
>>> mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order
>>> Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of
>>>  and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>>>
>>> You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of
>>> Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896.
>>> It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.
>>>
>>> 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in
>>> the Azores.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism, 1st of name, but 4th child?? (Rabo de Peixe)

[Margaret Vicente]

yes, he says first of the name and 4th in the filial order.  All records
around this time should be saying that.  Records, got progressively better.


On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Bottom right, # 42, Jacinto, 7 lines from the bottom...
> legitimate, first of the name, fourth (fifh)? some-
> thing filiação
>
> What?? This priest is saying that baby Jacinto is the 4th or 5th kid born
> to this couple? I've never come across that before.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1860-1864/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1860-1864_item1/P31.html
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Joe Matias]

Jr ,where did you find that info on Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria
Madalena do Rego Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso
> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on
> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His
> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried
> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  wrote:
>
>> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego
>> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>>
>> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com
>> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?)
>> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus,
>> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi
>> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da
>> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte
>> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do
>> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e
>> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e
>> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>>
>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Linda McL,

 You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what
 they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before
 radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or
 grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And
 childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a
 liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be
 just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and
 believe most things they are told.

 Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think
 it said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen
 margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was
 dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone
 have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make
 mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order
 Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of
  and is marrying Maria Cabral.

 You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of
 Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896.
 It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.

 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in
 the Azores.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: People with Faial ancestry

[jpine1947318]

Bella-  My name is Joe Pine and I have been researching my family tree 
for  the past year. I have found that my paternal grandparents were both 
born in Salao, Faial. My grandfather was Salvador Silveira Pinheiro, born 
on July 15,1884, emigrated in 1912 to Providence,RI. He changed his surname 
to Pine at that point. He married my grandmother in Bristol,RI and 
eventually moved  to Falmouth,MA to raise his family.My grandmother was 
Guilhermina Oliveira da Silva,and born on Oct. 24,1883. She emigrated to 
Providence,RI in 1914. I grew up in Falmouth and retired to Arizona 10 
years ago. I see that you lived in MA and are living in Faial now. My 
brother and I would like to visit Faial this year or next year. I would 
enjoy hearing from you. You could contact me by email , graf...@yahoo.com. 
I have also done the FTDNA test, so we may have some common ancestors. In 
addition to my grandparents surnames, I've found Rodrigues, Simas, de 
Freitas, Da Rosa, Pereira, Mendonca, Medeiros, and Correia. Most of these 
appear to be near Salao. I look forward to hearing from you or any others 
that think there is a familial connection.


On Friday, January 1, 2016 at 12:51:35 AM UTC-7, Bellla wrote:

> It was recommend that I visit this website by a DNA cousin. I have three 
> grandparents from Faial. I have had DNA testing done on 23andme. If there 
> is anything I can do to help others I will be glad to share. I have a 
> family tree as well. 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Fregoso Mello to Hawaii

[Cheri Mello]

Jo M H,

You need your freguesia. Not all Mellos are related. Not all Andersons are
related. Not all Martinez' are related or Smiths.

The boats for Hawaii left from Sao Miguel or Madeira. So if your family is
from the Azores, it's more likely Sao Miguel. You can look for him inbound
to HI or outbound from Sao Miguel: http://tombo.pt/d/acores

Good luck
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fregoso Mello to Hawaii

[danandmaria]

Jo, do you know his parents names and and birthday? I have a Manuel Fragoso de 
Melo born in 1866 but no other info on him besides having 5 sibblings. I do 
have ancestors. Please let me know. 

Maria Moore 
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From: "Cheri Mello"  
To: "azores"  
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:47:35 AM 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fregoso Mello to Hawaii 

Repost for Jo Mello Hartmann , joa1943 at yahoo.com 

Hi! My maiden name is Mello - my grandfather's name was Manuel Fregoso Mello. 
He was born on one of the Azorean islands in 1866! I believe he emigrated to 
Hawaii in 1881 where he married Maria Medeiros abt 1888/9. Records a little 
shaky. I understand the name Mello was so common in Hawaii the family was using 
Fregoso as their surname while there for a timethat could just be a family 
story..Most of the 16 kids were born in Hawaii, as was my father, Ernest 
Mello in 1901! 

Don't know how common Fragoso/Fregoso was in Azores.. 



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[danandmaria]

Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor? 


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From: "Margaret Vicente"  
To: "azores"  
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel 

Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso line 
of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on with the 
Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles. His son, was first 
married in Rabo de Peixe. Linda mentions Madalena carried the name Meireles 
which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection. 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR < jmro...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego Meireles/Meibeles? 
native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
 

Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com Escholastica de 
Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) elle idade de trinta 
sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia 
d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi baptizado, filho de Francisco de 
Andrade e Maria Candida natural da fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e 
ella a nubente d' idade de vinte e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e 
seus pais d'esta graguesia do Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, 
filha de Jose Vieira e Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador 
n'esta fraguesia e Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco... 

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote: 


Thanks Cherri, I will try to go back and do some more research 

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: 


Linda McL, 

You need to watch out for "family stories." Sometimes, that is what they are - 
just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio and 
television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents and 
retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories can be 
funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is telling a 
story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was told to amuse 
her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they are told. 

Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it said 
he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen margin notes 
where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was dissolved by death 
of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone have forgot to note a 
marriage? Well, they are human and humans make mistakes. But probably not. The 
only way to be sure would be to order Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see 
if it says he was the widower of  and is marrying Maria Cabral. 

You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of Jacinto 
d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896. It's going 
to clarify some of your questions above and raise more. 

28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in the 
Azores. 

Cheri Mello 
Listowner, Azores-Gen 
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada 









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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[danandmaria]

there are Meirreles in Lagoa curently! 

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Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:14:25 PM 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel 

Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego Meireles/Meibeles? 
native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
 

Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com Escholastica de 
Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) elle idade de trinta 
sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia 
d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi baptizado, filho de Francisco de 
Andrade e Maria Candida natural da fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e 
ella a nubente d' idade de vinte e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e 
seus pais d'esta graguesia do Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, 
filha de Jose Vieira e Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador 
n'esta fraguesia e Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco... 

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote: 


Thanks Cherri, I will try to go back and do some more research 

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: 


Linda McL, 

You need to watch out for "family stories." Sometimes, that is what they are - 
just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio and 
television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents and 
retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories can be 
funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is telling a 
story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was told to amuse 
her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they are told. 

Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it said 
he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen margin notes 
where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was dissolved by death 
of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone have forgot to note a 
marriage? Well, they are human and humans make mistakes. But probably not. The 
only way to be sure would be to order Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see 
if it says he was the widower of  and is marrying Maria Cabral. 

You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of Jacinto 
d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896. It's going 
to clarify some of your questions above and raise more. 

28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in the 
Azores. 

Cheri Mello 
Listowner, Azores-Gen 
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada 








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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[JR]

I made a mistake, and quoted the wrong Manuel, who was born March 5, 1898. 
He can be found here and those notes are from the margin:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1895-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1895-1899_item1/P233.html

So that info you quote is unrelated to Linda. The correct Manuel, was 
baptised much later on March 11, and was born on Feb 23, 1898, and he is 
the son of Jacinto Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus, and can be found here:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1895-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1895-1899_item1/P239.html

JR



On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 6:02:58 PM UTC-5, joe m wrote:
>
> Jr ,where did you find that info on Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married 
> Maria Madalena do Rego Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 
> 1922.
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Margaret Vicente  > wrote:
>
>> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso 
>> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on 
>> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His 
>> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried 
>> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego 
>>> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>>>
>>> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com 
>>> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) 
>>> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, 
>>> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi 
>>> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da 
>>> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte 
>>> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do 
>>> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e 
>>> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e 
>>> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:

 Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research

 On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Linda McL,
>
> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what 
> they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially 
> before 
> radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or 
> grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And 
> childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a 
> liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be 
> just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and 
> believe most things they are told.
>
> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think 
> it said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could 
> someone 
> have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make 
> mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order 
> Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of 
>  and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>
> You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of 
> Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 
> 1896. 
> It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.
>
> 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in 
> the Azores.
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is Manoel's surname

[Cheri Mello]

Teixeira. I think it says Tx^ra. Let's see what others think. There's a
little bleed through messing with it.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Linda McLellan]

Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Linda McL,
>
> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what they 
> are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio 
> and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents 
> and retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories 
> can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is 
> telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was 
> told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they 
> are told.
>
> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it 
> said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone 
> have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make 
> mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order 
> Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of 
>  and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>
> You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of 
> Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896. 
> It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.
>
> 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in the 
> Azores.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Fregoso Mello to Hawaii

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Jo Mello Hartmann , joa1943 at yahoo.com

Hi!  My maiden name is Mello - my grandfather's name was Manuel Fregoso
Mello.  He was born on one of the Azorean islands in 1866!  I believe
he emigrated to Hawaii in 1881 where he married Maria Medeiros abt 1888/9.
Records a little shaky.  I understand the name Mello was so common in
Hawaii the family was using Fregoso as their surname while there for a
timethat could just be a family story..Most of the 16 kids were
born in Hawaii, as was my father, Ernest Mello in 1901!

Don't know how common Fragoso/Fregoso was in Azores..

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Cheri Mello]

Linda McL,

You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what they
are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio
and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents
and retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories
can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is
telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was
told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they
are told.

Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it
said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen
margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was
dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone
have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make
mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order
Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of
 and is marrying Maria Cabral.

You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of Jacinto
d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896. It's
going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.

28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in the
Azores.

Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] What is Manoel's surname

[Sme]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1803-1822/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1803-1822_item1/P31.html

Hello.  Bottom right.  Manoel Machado's  surname. Can anyone make out what
it is? I've tried comparing the handwriting but just cannot make it out.

Thank you very much.
Suzanne

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Versinha

[Margaret Vicente]

You are welcome..  If you find something you would like to have translated
for your records email me the page number (s).

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:35 AM, Shirl Sereque 
wrote:

> Versinha
>
> Hi!
>I never took French in college but I could understand a little of what
> was written.  In fact, I have some of those same names in my tree!
> Baltazar João Rodriques Versinha was born in 1531 in Braganca, Portugal
> and married Anna João Rodrigues (born in 1535).  Melchor Rodrigues Versinha
> was born in 1557,   João Rodrigues Versinha, born in 1531 in Braganca,
> Portugal married Anna João Rodrigues (1535-1611).  I had gotten  the
> information from other members in ancestry.com.  If the original
> Portuguese were there, I wasn't able to read any of it.  But some of "my"
> names were in the French information!  I just noticed that I have some info
> wrong!   Gotta go back and check some more.
>Thank you so much for sending the URL!
> - Shirl -
>
>
> On Thursday, January 21, 2016 6:06 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> -Shirl,
>
> I don't know if the name on your tree is correct without having first
> seeing the original document but there is Versinha as a surname and/or nick
> (alcunha).  I checked the Porto thesaurus and it says it is the feminine
> diminutive of the verb Versa.  Versa is the resulting effect of the rain or
> other has on the fields where all tall grass or crops get bent over.
>
> Further to that there is a book written in French with the title "Des
> marranes a Spinoza" where it lists this name. The book talks about crypto -
> Judaism and the title "marranes" clearly indicates the content. Here's the
> link.
>
>
> https://books.google.ca/books?id=YJ7IQDvytk0C=PA263=PA263=versinha=bl=SFCWt0lFCB=wlYB8gAuF3aW4Ok8s-JAz9yvMMA=en=X=2=0ahUKEwjYzq65przKAhUovIMKHS-ODcAQ6AEIOzAJ#v=onepage=versinha=false
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Versinha means that the person transcribing the document can't read the
> handwriting. Ask the person where they found that name. The original source
> (not from another tree on the Internet).
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Linda McLellan]

 My paternal grandfather's name is Manuel d'Andrade Fragoso and he was born 
in Rabo de Peixe on Feb 23 1898 and died in Rabo de peixe on Sept 25 1969.  
His parent's names are Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It is 
said that he married a woman in Lagoa (do not know her name)  I am not sure 
if she died, or what happened, but he came back to Rabo de Peixe and 
married my grandmother.  Her name is Maria Jose Cabral.  They married when 
he was 28 years of age (which is really old to get married at that time).  
Now that I know of Fragoso's in Lagoa, this rumor seems like it might be 
true.  

On Thursday, January 21, 2016 at 11:50:09 PM UTC-5, danan...@comcast.net 
wrote:
>
> Linda, 
>
> I would love to check...  Your grandfather was born in Rabo de Peixe?  on 
> Feb 23 1889?  Who did he marry in Lagoa?  Wasthat woman your grandmother?
>
> Maria Moore
>
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> *To: *"azores" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 21, 2016 7:46:12 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants 
> from Sao Miguel
>
>   There is talk that my grandfather Manuel d'Andrade Fragoso born feb 23 
> 1989 married a woman in Lagoa.  I wonder if this is the same line.
>
> On Thursday, January 21, 2016 at 12:12:19 PM UTC-5, danan...@comcast.net 
> wrote:
>>
>> I have a few Fragoso from Lagoa in my file!
>>
>
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>> *To: *"azores" >
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 20, 2016 6:54:46 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants 
>> from Sao Miguel
>>
>> What is your father's name and when did he arrive in Canada?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Linda McLellan > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> My name is Linda and my father immigrated from Rabo de Peixe, Azores to 
>>> Canada.  Our family last name is Fragoso which is very rare.  Would love to 
>>> meet any other Fragoso's.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Linda
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is Manoel's surname

[nancy jean baptiste]

Yes, Teixeira..


Nancy Jean



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Mello 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM
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Teixeira. I think it says Tx^ra. Let's see what others think. There's a little 
bleed through messing with it.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism, 1st of name, but 4th child?? (Rabo de Peixe)

[Cheri Mello]

Bottom right, # 42, Jacinto, 7 lines from the bottom...
legitimate, first of the name, fourth (fifh)? some-
thing filiação

What?? This priest is saying that baby Jacinto is the 4th or 5th kid born
to this couple? I've never come across that before.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1860-1864/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1860-1864_item1/P31.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Margaret Vicente]

Lagoa:  Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo.


On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM,  wrote:

> Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor?
>
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> *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants
> from Sao Miguel
>
> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso
> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on
> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His
> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried
> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  wrote:
>
>> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego
>> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>>
>> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com
>> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?)
>> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus,
>> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi
>> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da
>> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte
>> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do
>> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e
>> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e
>> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>>
>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
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>>> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
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>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Linda McL,

 You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what
 they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before
 radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or
 grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And
 childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a
 liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be
 just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and
 believe most things they are told.

 Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think
 it said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen
 margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was
 dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone
 have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make
 mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order
 Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of
  and is marrying Maria Cabral.

 You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of
 Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896.
 It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.

 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in
 the Azores.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada

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