[AZORES-Genealogy] Natural d'uma escrava(o)

["E" Sharp]

Someone asked me this and I am not sure the google translation is correct.
   Example...Maria natural de Anna d'uma escrava of Jose.  Does this really
mean Maria illegitimate child  of Anna who is a slave of Jose???

"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] São Miguel island

['Marcio' via Azores Genealogy]

Thank you Tammy

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> On Mar 31, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Tammy Jesso  wrote:
> 
> I'm working in the Maia area at the moment but still in the 1800's I will 
> keep an eye open for them 
> 
> Tammy Jesso
> 
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2016, at 5:09 PM, 'Marcio' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm looking for a couple, Manuel Goncalves and Maria de Sousa, married 
>> somewhere in Sao Miguel island (they baptized a child in Santa Maria in 
>> 1709. He is believed to be from Maia. She is from Santa Maria Island, more 
>> specifically from Santo Espirito. Since Sao Miguel has a lot of parishes I 
>> was wondering when you research if you could keep these people in mind. I 
>> have looked in Maia and did not find them.
>> 
>> Thank you
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: São Miguel island

['Marcio' via Azores Genealogy]

Thank you Julio! That is exactly what I have. Even the note to the ancestors of 
Manuel Goncalves and Maria de Sousa. That info was sent to me by a genealogist 
from S. Miguel who consulted those manuscripts. But I have my doubts if this is 
true. For diferent reasons. One of them being that I never found in Maia a 
birth of a Manuel, to a Francisco Goncalves and Margarida Cabral, by 1694 they 
had baptized 3 children and none was a Manuel. My Manuel had a child in 1709, 
even if Francisco and Margarida had a Manuel in 1695 would make him a parent at 
15 years old, not impossible but very unlikely. Also the fact Francisco already 
had a son Manuel from first marriage makes me even more doubtful. 

Do you happen to have Manuel Simoes and Margarida Barbosa marriage?

Thank you

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> On Mar 31, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Júlio  wrote:
> 
> Francisco Gonçalves RAMOS  filho de Bartolomeu Gonçalves Dias MACHADO  e 
> Catarina FERNANDES nasceu Abt 1620. 
> 
> Francisco casou com Maria Correia de SOUSA  filha de Francisco LOPES  e Ana 
> CORREIA [48923], a 8 Abr 1646 em Matriz, Ponta Delgada.
> 
> Notas sobre o casamento: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650_item1/P128.html
>  
> 
> 
> Filho/a deste casamento:
> 
> + 2 Mi. Manuel Correia de SOUSA nasceu em 1659 em Maia, e faleceu a 19 
> Set 1719 em Fenais Da Ajuda com 60 anos de idade. 
> 
> Francisco a seguir casou com Maria do Rego GUIMARÃES , filha de Manuel 
> Rodrigues de GUIMARÃES  e Maria de MAGALHÃES a 31 Mai 1683 em Maia. Maria 
> faleceu Bef 3 Mar 1687.
> 
> Francisco a seguir casou com Margarida CABRAL, filha de Manuel SIMÕES e 
> Margarida BARBOSA  a 3 Mar 1687 em Maia. Margarida nasceu em Ponta Delgada. 
> 
> Filhos deste casamento:
> 
>3 Mi. Manuel Gonçalves MACHADO [48924] nasceu em Maia. 
> 
> Notas gerais: Apartir daqui são dados recolhidos de manuscritos do Dr. 
> Monteiro Velho Arruda.
> 
> Manuel casou com Maria de SOUSA , filha de Baltazar Velho de MELO e Maria de 
> SOUSA , em 1707. Maria nasceu a 18 Fev 1686 em Santo Espirito, Santa Maria, e 
> faleceu a 23 Nov 1751 em Santo Espirito, Santa Maria com 65 anos de idade.
> 
>4 Fii. Maria RAMOS [51822] nasceu a 15 Abr 1694 em Maia. 
> 
> Notas gerais: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-MAIA-B-1665-1700/SMG-RG-MAIA-B-1665-1700_item1/P123.html
> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: São Miguel island

[Júlio]

*Francisco Gonçalves RAMOS * filho de *Bartolomeu Gonçalves Dias MACHADO*
  e *Catarina FERNANDES* nasceu Abt 1620. 

Francisco casou com *Maria Correia de SOUSA*  filha de *Francisco LOPES*  e 
*Ana 
CORREIA* [48923], a 8 Abr 1646 em Matriz, Ponta Delgada.

Notas sobre o casamento: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650_item1/P128.html
 

*Filho/a deste casamento:*

+ 2 Mi. *Manuel Correia de SOUSA 
*nasceu em 1659 em Maia, e 
faleceu a 19 Set 1719 em Fenais Da Ajuda com 60 anos de idade. 

Francisco a seguir casou com *Maria do Rego GUIMARÃES* , filha de *Manuel 
Rodrigues de GUIMARÃES*  e *Maria de MAGALHÃES* a 31 Mai 1683 em Maia. 
Maria faleceu Bef 3 Mar 1687.

Francisco a seguir casou com *Margarida CABRAL*, filha de *Manuel SIMÕES *e 
*Margarida 
BARBOSA*  a 3 Mar 1687 em Maia. Margarida nasceu em Ponta Delgada. 

*Filhos deste casamento:*

   3 Mi. *Manuel Gonçalves MACHADO [48924]* nasceu em Maia. 

Notas gerais: Apartir daqui são dados recolhidos de manuscritos do Dr. 
Monteiro Velho Arruda.

Manuel casou com *Maria de SOUSA* , filha de *Baltazar Velho de MELO* e *Maria 
de SOUSA* , em 1707. Maria nasceu a 18 Fev 1686 em Santo Espirito, Santa 
Maria, e faleceu a 23 Nov 1751 em Santo Espirito, Santa Maria com 65 anos 
de idade.

   4 Fii. *Maria RAMOS [51822]* nasceu a 15 Abr 1694 em Maia. 

Notas gerais: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-MAIA-B-1665-1700/SMG-RG-MAIA-B-1665-1700_item1/P123.html


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] São Miguel island

[Tammy Jesso]

I'm working in the Maia area at the moment but still in the 1800's I will keep 
an eye open for them 

Tammy Jesso


> On Mar 31, 2016, at 5:09 PM, 'Marcio' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for a couple, Manuel Goncalves and Maria de Sousa, married 
> somewhere in Sao Miguel island (they baptized a child in Santa Maria in 1709. 
> He is believed to be from Maia. She is from Santa Maria Island, more 
> specifically from Santo Espirito. Since Sao Miguel has a lot of parishes I 
> was wondering when you research if you could keep these people in mind. I 
> have looked in Maia and did not find them.
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage please.

[Sandra Perez]

Thank you, Manoel.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 2:56 PM, mances  wrote:

> In short, I understand it is implicit in the text that they were not
> married because they were relatives with a forbidden degree of
> consanguinity and they will ask for the dispensation.
>
> Manoel
>
> Em quinta-feira, 31 de março de 2016 18:04:21 UTC-3, Sandra Perez escreveu:
>>
>> What does it say?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:15 AM, mances  wrote:
>>
>>> Sandra,
>>>
>>> Yes, you're right, and it's a very interesting record.
>>>
>>> Here's what I read:
>>> " ... hua menina f.a de João Camello e Barbara Muniz, que entre elles
>>> ouverão, e por serem parentes em grao proibido impetrão breve de ..?
>>> santidade ..."
>>> "...uma menina filha de João Camelo e Bárbara Moniz, que entre eles
>>> houveram e por serem parentes em grau proibido impetram breve ..?
>>> santidade.."
>>>
>>> Manoel
>>>
>>>
>>> Em quinta-feira, 31 de março de 2016 11:00:35 UTC-3, Sandra Perez
>>> escreveu:

 Thank you.  Manoel did I have Joao Camelo Pereira and Barbara Monis'
 marriage and their daughter, Maria's, early birth correct?  Why would
 they wait five years to marry?

 On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 7:50 PM, mances  wrote:

> Sandra,
>
> I know of a Furtado's line which is connected to Moniz Vieira and
> Bettencourt in Fenais da Ajuda in that time period.
> Captain Braz Furtado de Medeiros married Maria Moniz Vieira and I
> think that she may be connected to Bárbara Moniz de Bettencourt.
>
> Manoel
>
> Em quarta-feira, 30 de março de 2016 19:56:31 UTC-3, Sandra Perez
> escreveu:
>>
>> Manoel, Capt. Braz Monis Pereira fo Joao Camelo Pereira and Dona
>> Barbara Monis de Battencout was padrinho to my 5th g-grandfather, Manoel
>> Pereira. Manoel was the son of Manoel Furtado Seixas & Maria Pereira
>> (no marriage for them--6th mo. gap in records).  There seems to be close
>> ties of this family to Manoel Furtado's family.  Do you know of any
>> Furtados connected to the Camelo Pereiras?  I did find a Manoel Furtado 
>> for
>> padrinho for
>> one of their children born in Fernais da Ajuda.  Also, I just found
>> Joao Camelo Pereira e Barbara Monis' marriage, however their daughter,
>> Maria was born way before they married!  Tell what you think.
>>
>> Joao Camelo Pereira e Barbara Monis 12 Nov 1679.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1622-1683/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1622-1683_item1/P169.html
>>
>> Maria 10 Feb 1674--top right.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1662-1699/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1662-1699_item1/P37.html
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 2:40 PM, mances  wrote:
>>
>>> Sandra,
>>>
>>> Gaspar Camelo Pereira
>>>
>>> The witness: Rui Vaz de Medeiros
>>>
>>> Gaspar Camelo Pereira and Guiomar Álvares Pinheiro are my ancestors
>>> too. They are in Rodrigo Rodrigues book.
>>>
>>> Sebastião Vieira Machado and Bárbara de Medeiros [Camelo] are in the
>>> RR book as well. I have common ancestors with these people too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Manoel César Furtado
>>>
>>>
>>> Em quarta-feira, 30 de março de 2016 18:11:04 UTC-3, Sandra Perez
>>> escreveu:

 Need help with bride's father and the first witness.

 12 Oct 1611 Sebastiao Vieira Machado fo Gaspar Vieira Rocha e Maria
 Lourenco da Costa
 married Barbara de Medeiros fa ? Camelo Pereira e Guimar Alvres
 Pinheira.

 Witnesses: ? de Medeiros e Antonio de Paiva.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1584-1615/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1584-1615_item1/P108.html




 Sandra Perez

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage please.

[mances]

In short, I understand it is implicit in the text that they were not 
married because they were relatives with a forbidden degree of 
consanguinity and they will ask for the dispensation.

Manoel

Em quinta-feira, 31 de março de 2016 18:04:21 UTC-3, Sandra Perez escreveu:
>
> What does it say?
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:15 AM, mances  
> wrote:
>
>> Sandra,
>>
>> Yes, you're right, and it's a very interesting record.
>>
>> Here's what I read:
>> " ... hua menina f.a de João Camello e Barbara Muniz, que entre elles 
>> ouverão, e por serem parentes em grao proibido impetrão breve de ..? 
>> santidade ..."
>> "...uma menina filha de João Camelo e Bárbara Moniz, que entre eles 
>> houveram e por serem parentes em grau proibido impetram breve ..? 
>> santidade.."
>>
>> Manoel
>>
>>
>> Em quinta-feira, 31 de março de 2016 11:00:35 UTC-3, Sandra Perez 
>> escreveu:
>>>
>>> Thank you.  Manoel did I have Joao Camelo Pereira and Barbara Monis' 
>>> marriage and their daughter, Maria's, early birth correct?  Why would 
>>> they wait five years to marry?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 7:50 PM, mances  wrote:
>>>
 Sandra,

 I know of a Furtado's line which is connected to Moniz Vieira and 
 Bettencourt in Fenais da Ajuda in that time period.
 Captain Braz Furtado de Medeiros married Maria Moniz Vieira and I think 
 that she may be connected to Bárbara Moniz de Bettencourt.

 Manoel 

 Em quarta-feira, 30 de março de 2016 19:56:31 UTC-3, Sandra Perez 
 escreveu:
>
> Manoel, Capt. Braz Monis Pereira fo Joao Camelo Pereira and Dona 
> Barbara Monis de Battencout was padrinho to my 5th g-grandfather, Manoel
> Pereira. Manoel was the son of Manoel Furtado Seixas & Maria Pereira 
> (no marriage for them--6th mo. gap in records).  There seems to be close 
> ties of this family to Manoel Furtado's family.  Do you know of any 
> Furtados connected to the Camelo Pereiras?  I did find a Manoel Furtado 
> for 
> padrinho for 
> one of their children born in Fernais da Ajuda.  Also, I just found 
> Joao Camelo Pereira e Barbara Monis' marriage, however their daughter, 
> Maria was born way before they married!  Tell what you think.
>
> Joao Camelo Pereira e Barbara Monis 12 Nov 1679.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1622-1683/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1622-1683_item1/P169.html
>
> Maria 10 Feb 1674--top right.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1662-1699/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1662-1699_item1/P37.html
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 2:40 PM, mances  wrote:
>
>> Sandra,
>>
>> Gaspar Camelo Pereira
>>
>> The witness: Rui Vaz de Medeiros
>>
>> Gaspar Camelo Pereira and Guiomar Álvares Pinheiro are my ancestors 
>> too. They are in Rodrigo Rodrigues book.
>>
>> Sebastião Vieira Machado and Bárbara de Medeiros [Camelo] are in the 
>> RR book as well. I have common ancestors with these people too.
>>
>>
>> Manoel César Furtado
>>
>>
>> Em quarta-feira, 30 de março de 2016 18:11:04 UTC-3, Sandra Perez 
>> escreveu:
>>>
>>> Need help with bride's father and the first witness.
>>>
>>> 12 Oct 1611 Sebastiao Vieira Machado fo Gaspar Vieira Rocha e Maria 
>>> Lourenco da Costa
>>> married Barbara de Medeiros fa ? Camelo Pereira e Guimar Alvres 
>>> Pinheira.
>>>
>>> Witnesses: ? de Medeiros e Antonio de Paiva.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1584-1615/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1584-1615_item1/P108.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sandra Perez
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] São Miguel island

['Marcio' via Azores Genealogy]

I'm looking for a couple, Manuel Goncalves and Maria de Sousa, married 
somewhere in Sao Miguel island (they baptized a child in Santa Maria in 1709. 
He is believed to be from Maia. She is from Santa Maria Island, more 
specifically from Santo Espirito. Since Sao Miguel has a lot of parishes I was 
wondering when you research if you could keep these people in mind. I have 
looked in Maia and did not find them.

Thank you

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage please.

[Sandra Perez]

What does it say?

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:15 AM, mances  wrote:

> Sandra,
>
> Yes, you're right, and it's a very interesting record.
>
> Here's what I read:
> " ... hua menina f.a de João Camello e Barbara Muniz, que entre elles
> ouverão, e por serem parentes em grao proibido impetrão breve de ..?
> santidade ..."
> "...uma menina filha de João Camelo e Bárbara Moniz, que entre eles
> houveram e por serem parentes em grau proibido impetram breve ..?
> santidade.."
>
> Manoel
>
>
> Em quinta-feira, 31 de março de 2016 11:00:35 UTC-3, Sandra Perez escreveu:
>>
>> Thank you.  Manoel did I have Joao Camelo Pereira and Barbara Monis'
>> marriage and their daughter, Maria's, early birth correct?  Why would
>> they wait five years to marry?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 7:50 PM, mances  wrote:
>>
>>> Sandra,
>>>
>>> I know of a Furtado's line which is connected to Moniz Vieira and
>>> Bettencourt in Fenais da Ajuda in that time period.
>>> Captain Braz Furtado de Medeiros married Maria Moniz Vieira and I think
>>> that she may be connected to Bárbara Moniz de Bettencourt.
>>>
>>> Manoel
>>>
>>> Em quarta-feira, 30 de março de 2016 19:56:31 UTC-3, Sandra Perez
>>> escreveu:

 Manoel, Capt. Braz Monis Pereira fo Joao Camelo Pereira and Dona
 Barbara Monis de Battencout was padrinho to my 5th g-grandfather, Manoel
 Pereira. Manoel was the son of Manoel Furtado Seixas & Maria Pereira
 (no marriage for them--6th mo. gap in records).  There seems to be close
 ties of this family to Manoel Furtado's family.  Do you know of any
 Furtados connected to the Camelo Pereiras?  I did find a Manoel Furtado for
 padrinho for
 one of their children born in Fernais da Ajuda.  Also, I just found
 Joao Camelo Pereira e Barbara Monis' marriage, however their daughter,
 Maria was born way before they married!  Tell what you think.

 Joao Camelo Pereira e Barbara Monis 12 Nov 1679.

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1622-1683/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1622-1683_item1/P169.html

 Maria 10 Feb 1674--top right.

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1662-1699/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1662-1699_item1/P37.html


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> Sandra,
>
> Gaspar Camelo Pereira
>
> The witness: Rui Vaz de Medeiros
>
> Gaspar Camelo Pereira and Guiomar Álvares Pinheiro are my ancestors
> too. They are in Rodrigo Rodrigues book.
>
> Sebastião Vieira Machado and Bárbara de Medeiros [Camelo] are in the
> RR book as well. I have common ancestors with these people too.
>
>
> Manoel César Furtado
>
>
> Em quarta-feira, 30 de março de 2016 18:11:04 UTC-3, Sandra Perez
> escreveu:
>>
>> Need help with bride's father and the first witness.
>>
>> 12 Oct 1611 Sebastiao Vieira Machado fo Gaspar Vieira Rocha e Maria
>> Lourenco da Costa
>> married Barbara de Medeiros fa ? Camelo Pereira e Guimar Alvres
>> Pinheira.
>>
>> Witnesses: ? de Medeiros e Antonio de Paiva.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1584-1615/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1584-1615_item1/P108.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage please.

[mances]

Sandra,

Yes, you're right, and it's a very interesting record.

Here's what I read:
" ... hua menina f.a de João Camello e Barbara Muniz, que entre elles 
ouverão, e por serem parentes em grao proibido impetrão breve de ..? 
santidade ..."
"...uma menina filha de João Camelo e Bárbara Moniz, que entre eles 
houveram e por serem parentes em grau proibido impetram breve ..? 
santidade.."

Manoel


Em quinta-feira, 31 de março de 2016 11:00:35 UTC-3, Sandra Perez escreveu:
>
> Thank you.  Manoel did I have Joao Camelo Pereira and Barbara Monis' 
> marriage and their daughter, Maria's, early birth correct?  Why would 
> they wait five years to marry?
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 7:50 PM, mances  
> wrote:
>
>> Sandra,
>>
>> I know of a Furtado's line which is connected to Moniz Vieira and 
>> Bettencourt in Fenais da Ajuda in that time period.
>> Captain Braz Furtado de Medeiros married Maria Moniz Vieira and I think 
>> that she may be connected to Bárbara Moniz de Bettencourt.
>>
>> Manoel 
>>
>> Em quarta-feira, 30 de março de 2016 19:56:31 UTC-3, Sandra Perez 
>> escreveu:
>>>
>>> Manoel, Capt. Braz Monis Pereira fo Joao Camelo Pereira and Dona Barbara 
>>> Monis de Battencout was padrinho to my 5th g-grandfather, Manoel
>>> Pereira. Manoel was the son of Manoel Furtado Seixas & Maria Pereira (no 
>>> marriage for them--6th mo. gap in records).  There seems to be close ties 
>>> of this family to Manoel Furtado's family.  Do you know of any Furtados 
>>> connected to the Camelo Pereiras?  I did find a Manoel Furtado for padrinho 
>>> for 
>>> one of their children born in Fernais da Ajuda.  Also, I just found Joao 
>>> Camelo Pereira e Barbara Monis' marriage, however their daughter, Maria was 
>>> born way before they married!  Tell what you think.
>>>
>>> Joao Camelo Pereira e Barbara Monis 12 Nov 1679.
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1622-1683/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1622-1683_item1/P169.html
>>>
>>> Maria 10 Feb 1674--top right.
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1662-1699/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1662-1699_item1/P37.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 2:40 PM, mances  wrote:
>>>
 Sandra,

 Gaspar Camelo Pereira

 The witness: Rui Vaz de Medeiros

 Gaspar Camelo Pereira and Guiomar Álvares Pinheiro are my ancestors 
 too. They are in Rodrigo Rodrigues book.

 Sebastião Vieira Machado and Bárbara de Medeiros [Camelo] are in the RR 
 book as well. I have common ancestors with these people too.


 Manoel César Furtado


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>
> Need help with bride's father and the first witness.
>
> 12 Oct 1611 Sebastiao Vieira Machado fo Gaspar Vieira Rocha e Maria 
> Lourenco da Costa
> married Barbara de Medeiros fa ? Camelo Pereira e Guimar Alvres 
> Pinheira.
>
> Witnesses: ? de Medeiros e Antonio de Paiva.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1584-1615/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1584-1615_item1/P108.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage please.

[Cheri Mello]

I haven't been following this thread closely, however I saw the question
about waiting 5 years to marry.

I had a couple that had kids for 4 or 5 years before getting married. They
were 1st cousins and it took that long for the dispensation to go through.
I don't know if that's the case with your couple or not.
Cheri

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage please.

[Sandra Perez]

Thank you.  Manoel did I have Joao Camelo Pereira and Barbara Monis'
marriage and their daughter, Maria's, early birth correct?  Why would
they wait five years to marry?

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 7:50 PM, mances  wrote:

> Sandra,
>
> I know of a Furtado's line which is connected to Moniz Vieira and
> Bettencourt in Fenais da Ajuda in that time period.
> Captain Braz Furtado de Medeiros married Maria Moniz Vieira and I think
> that she may be connected to Bárbara Moniz de Bettencourt.
>
> Manoel
>
> Em quarta-feira, 30 de março de 2016 19:56:31 UTC-3, Sandra Perez escreveu:
>>
>> Manoel, Capt. Braz Monis Pereira fo Joao Camelo Pereira and Dona Barbara
>> Monis de Battencout was padrinho to my 5th g-grandfather, Manoel
>> Pereira. Manoel was the son of Manoel Furtado Seixas & Maria Pereira (no
>> marriage for them--6th mo. gap in records).  There seems to be close ties
>> of this family to Manoel Furtado's family.  Do you know of any Furtados
>> connected to the Camelo Pereiras?  I did find a Manoel Furtado for padrinho
>> for
>> one of their children born in Fernais da Ajuda.  Also, I just found Joao
>> Camelo Pereira e Barbara Monis' marriage, however their daughter, Maria was
>> born way before they married!  Tell what you think.
>>
>> Joao Camelo Pereira e Barbara Monis 12 Nov 1679.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1622-1683/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1622-1683_item1/P169.html
>>
>> Maria 10 Feb 1674--top right.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1662-1699/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1662-1699_item1/P37.html
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 2:40 PM, mances  wrote:
>>
>>> Sandra,
>>>
>>> Gaspar Camelo Pereira
>>>
>>> The witness: Rui Vaz de Medeiros
>>>
>>> Gaspar Camelo Pereira and Guiomar Álvares Pinheiro are my ancestors too.
>>> They are in Rodrigo Rodrigues book.
>>>
>>> Sebastião Vieira Machado and Bárbara de Medeiros [Camelo] are in the RR
>>> book as well. I have common ancestors with these people too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Manoel César Furtado
>>>
>>>
>>> Em quarta-feira, 30 de março de 2016 18:11:04 UTC-3, Sandra Perez
>>> escreveu:

 Need help with bride's father and the first witness.

 12 Oct 1611 Sebastiao Vieira Machado fo Gaspar Vieira Rocha e Maria
 Lourenco da Costa
 married Barbara de Medeiros fa ? Camelo Pereira e Guimar Alvres
 Pinheira.

 Witnesses: ? de Medeiros e Antonio de Paiva.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1584-1615/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1584-1615_item1/P108.html




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Arganil Portugal - Marriage Record for Domingos Fernandes & Catherina Dias

[Cheri Mello]

Wow, I really like those scans from the mainland.

I think it says Domingos Frz, filho (legitimate - might be abbreviated) de
Bartolomeu Something (I want to say Silveira, but I really don't think
that's right).

I think you have the rest right.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage Jose Sylveira Rita Maria. need parents names

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, the old spelling is the "y."
OLD: Fayal, Sylva, etc
NEW: Faial, Silva

There are some others too.
OLD: hum, honze
NEW: um, onze (for 1 and 11)

OLD: Paxeco
NEW: Pacheco

OLD: Mello
NEW: Melo

As you go back in time, you will find older and older spellings. Just
pencil them in on your Portuguese Word List.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Praia do Norte, Faial, Andrade

[Howard Pilot]

Sean
I've been helping a friend find her fathers( Andrade) relatives/ascestors and 
heir descendants on Pico.
In particular Madalena, Bandieras and Sao Rogue.
We my possibly be looking for the same people.
if your interested give me reply.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] top right baptism Antonio Son of ?

[Elizabeth Migliori]

UGH  I tend to think I do alot of wishful thinking...

Thanks again

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Liz, there's no Correia.  The record is as shown in my previous email.
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Elizabeth Migliori 
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>> Thanks so much.
>> Just to confirm   Thomas Francisco Correia  correct?   I'm pretty sure I
>> got the Correia (though perhaps not spelled correctly)  I just couldn't get
>> the Thomas or Tomas.
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 8:55 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> The word is Thomas.
>>>
>>> Antonio filho de Thomas Francisco e de sua mulher Maria Rita.  Antonio
>>> son of Thomas (Tomas) Francisco and his wife Maria Rita.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1813-1823/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1813-1823_item1/P78.html

 Top right Antonio  son of ?Is it Francisco Correia?  what is
 the word before Francisco?

 tHX
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage Jose Sylveira Rita Maria. need parents names

[Elizabeth Migliori]

WOW all these years I thought the Y came when they came to America.  have
been told that it is incorrect way to spell.  Got Americanized...
Does the same hold true for Silvia and Sylvia???  Is it the old spelling?

Liz

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> Edited link:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1772-1808/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1772-1808_item1/P49.html
>
> >
> > Bottom left.
> > Looks like Jorge ??? and Catherina Rosa
> > Francisco Sy? and Anna Sy?
> >
> > Are they spelling Silveira with a y ?
> >
> >
> > Thx
> > Liz
>
> Hi Liz, I think you're making great progress with these records :)
>
> The priest used the old spelling with a "y" and he abbreviated the name
> too.
>
> I see Jose Sylv.ra son of Jose Sylv.ra and Catharina Roza
>
> marrying Bitta/Ritta? M.a da Sylv.ra daughter of Fran[cis]co Sylv.ra and
> Anna Sylv.ra
>
> I don't see Jorge, but I'm not 100% positive on what I do see either.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Pie Chart Question

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I don't know why FTDNA uses the bar type graph when the other 2 companies
use the pie chart. I prefer the look of the pie chart myself.

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