[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading name and date Coelho Sousa marriage

[bsei2816]

I agree that the first wife is Luisa and that she died on 12 February.   
However, I believe the age of 51 and the parents named in the last post are of 
the groom and not his first wife.

Bill Seidler 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Births of Merced County CA 1873-1912

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Hi Mary ,
No luck. No Evangelhos at all so I looked for the mother named Sousa/Souza
and none married to a Jacintho. Darn, was really hoping that I would find
the birth record in the book. Good luck on finding more on this family.
The good thing about this book is that the mother's names are also listed
in the index so I can look for father or mother's names.



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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler 
wrote:

> Hi Rosemary...I'm curious if you can find info on a male baby born to
> Jacintho Evangelho and his wife Mary/Maria Carolina (Sousa).  Maria died
> the day he was born, and he died at only 4 months old from "convulsions".
>  He was born 16 Nov 1903 in Coarsegold Ca.  He is buried in Arbor Vitae
> cemetery in Madera, and his given name was not listed - it just said Infant
> Evangelho, male.  Maria is my mystery woman, I only know she was a Sousa,
> had a brother Henry (I have lots of info on him and his descendants)And
> that she was either born in Boston or Pico, not much help there!My
> brick wall is her parents, I cannot find reference to them anywhere.  One
> of Henry's documents listed his mother's surname as Costa. Maria and
> Jacintho are my great grandparents, and they also had a female child - my
> grandmother.  Her name was Louise Evangelho, born 5 July 1901, also in
> Corsegold.  In any case, If you find any info on the infant or clubs to the
> grandparents,  I would appreciate it.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Births of Merced County CA 1873-1912

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

Hi Rosemary...I'm curious if you can find info on a male baby born to Jacintho 
Evangelho and his wife Mary/Maria Carolina (Sousa).  Maria died the day he was 
born, and he died at only 4 months old from "convulsions".   He was born 16 Nov 
1903 in Coarsegold Ca.  He is buried in Arbor Vitae cemetery in Madera, and his 
given name was not listed - it just said Infant Evangelho, male.  Maria is my 
mystery woman, I only know she was a Sousa, had a brother Henry (I have lots of 
info on him and his descendants)And that she was either born in Boston or 
Pico, not much help there!My brick wall is her parents, I cannot find 
reference to them anywhere.  One of Henry's documents listed his mother's 
surname as Costa. Maria and Jacintho are my great grandparents, and they 
also had a female child - my grandmother.  Her name was Louise Evangelho, born 
5 July 1901, also in Corsegold.  In any case, If you find any info on the 
infant or clubs to the grandparents,  I would appreciate it.  

Thanks

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker FTM16 support ending - Need Info on New Program

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Celeste and others,

I contacted MacKiev and filled in a form and it looks like I can upgrade
from FTM 16 to their new version for $29.95.  ​JR thanks for reminding me
to backup my files, maybe twice, before I do anything else.

Will let you know how it goes.

"E"



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading name and date Coelho Sousa marriage

['Jeremy B-C' via Azores Genealogy]

Further, she was 51 years old when she died and the daughter of Antonio Joaquin 
Magalhaes and Antonia Emilia Soares.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading name and date Coelho Sousa marriage

['Jeremy B-C' via Azores Genealogy]

Actually I would read it as the 12th day of February of the current year rather 
than the 2nd. Please disregard my initial note as to the date.  I stand by my 
opinion that it says Luisa however.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading name and date Coelho Sousa marriage

['Jeremy B-C' via Azores Genealogy]

I read it as Luisa Guelhermina de Sousa, not Jesuina Guelhermina de Sousa... I 
do believe you have the death date correct.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading name and date Coelho Sousa marriage

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http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1890-1899_item1/P28.html

#2, (Bottom left to top right)  marriage of Antonio Joaquim de Magalhaes y 
Ludovina de Jesus Coelho.  Can someone tell me the name of his first wife and 
date of her death?  I think it says Jesuina Guelhermina de Sousa?  Died 2nd of 
February current year.

Thank you,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker FTM16 support ending - Need Info on New Program

[JR]

You can try Roots Magic 7. It's free for the Essential Version. It's not 
what you are used to, but it is easy to use and will import FTW files 
without errors. That's important and better than importing a Gedcom file. 
Legacy is also easy to use. Just be sure back up your files unto a flash 
drive or CD or both!

JR 



On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 7:48:10 PM UTC-4, celeste perry wrote:
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>
> Your email describes me exactly, Elaine!  If you find an answer to your 
> questions, please let me know. 
> Celeste 
> Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com  
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>  
> On Wed, 10/26/16, E" Sharp  wrote: 
>
>  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker FTM16 support ending - Need 
> Info on New Program 
>  To: "azores"  
>  Date: Wednesday, October 26, 2016, 10:48 AM 
>   
>  FTM support is supposed 
>  to end the end of the year.  I have FTM 16.  Has anyone 
>  changed to a different program or the new company who is 
>  supposed to take over FTM users? Any other program to make 
>  an easy switch?  I am looking for an easy switch and how to 
>  do it and what I will and/or will not lose. Remember, I am 
>  not a computer genius...or anywhere near it. 
>  "E" 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker FTM16 support ending - Need Info on New Program

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Your email describes me exactly, Elaine!  If you find an answer to your 
questions, please let me know.
Celeste
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On Wed, 10/26/16, E" Sharp  wrote:

 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker FTM16 support ending - Need Info 
on New Program
 To: "azores" 
 Date: Wednesday, October 26, 2016, 10:48 AM
 
 FTM support is supposed
 to end the end of the year.  I have FTM 16.  Has anyone
 changed to a different program or the new company who is
 supposed to take over FTM users? Any other program to make
 an easy switch?  I am looking for an easy switch and how to
 do it and what I will and/or will not lose. Remember, I am
 not a computer genius...or anywhere near it.
 "E"
 
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help finding marriage record rabo de peixe

[JR]

I found in Rabo de Peixe a second Manuel Pereira Bicho cc Maria da Costa, 
Feb 4- 1692; He is filho de Francisco Pereira and Isabel Vieira nats de 
Fenais de Luz; She is filha de Pai Nao Sabido and Vitoria Furtado nat de 
Rabo de Peixe.

I think it is reasonable to assume this Manuel Pereira Bicho is in the same 
family and most likely is the brother of your Antonio Pereira Bicho. This 
makes Francisco Pereira and Isabel Vieira the parents of said Antonio 
Pereira. If you really want to firm it up more, look for some children, and 
that should help solidify the relationships.

JR

On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 1:10:15 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote:
>
> Amy, you have the correct obit record for it states her husband's full 
> name.
>
> You will find as you continue searches that the obits' records give 
> approximate ages.  Watch for the words (more or less).
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Amy Francis  > wrote:
>
>> Also found Anna de Benevides death in 1749, which gives an age of around 
>> 66, so born around 1683.  
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745-1758/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745-1758_item1/P40.html
>>
>> I had thought I found her baptism in 1690 here; but doesn't match the age 
>> on her death record- but I went back to 1782 and did not find any other 
>> anna with benevides in the record, so this is likely it. 
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1689-1710/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1689-1710_item1/P4.html
>>
>> Amy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker FTM16 support ending - Need Info on New Program

['Denise' via Azores Genealogy]

I have FTM 3 for Mac. I just updated with MacKiev, that's who has taken over 
FTM. I had no problem with the upgrade and plan to continue with FTM.


Denise D'Antona



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Sent: Wed, Oct 26, 2016 1:48 pm
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker FTM16 support ending - Need Info 
on New Program



FTM support is supposed to end the end of the year.  I have FTM 16.  Has anyone 
changed to a different program or the new company who is supposed to take over 
FTM users? Any other program to make an easy switch?  I am looking for an easy 
switch and how to do it and what I will and/or will not lose. Remember, I am 
not a computer genius...or anywhere near it.


"E"

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lost husbands

[Susan Schoen]

We have a family "myth" that my maternal grandmother's father (Jose Antonio 
Caetano Azevedo Mancebo 1846 - 1919) had a family back in Ribeira Seca, Sao 
Jorge, but his wife died. He wanted to come to the US, but his children 
decided to stay there with family. I don't know how many kids, or how old, 
or if it's even true? It had been told to some of my cousins by my 
grandmother's youngest sister, Virginia. I haven't scoured the marriage 
records yet to see if I can find a previous wife. If I do find a record of 
a previous marriage, then I could look through the baptisms for potential 
children.

It's interesting that the cousins had heard of this potential other family, 
but no one had told them that my grandfather had four brother's & a sister? 
Nor that his father was listed as "pai incognito" but the man who was 
listed as the godfather in his baptism was listed as the father for his 
following siblings. I have heard that illegitimate children are sometimes 
rebaptised when the father marries the mother, making them legitimate, but 
have found no record of this either. There is no way to know if Jose & his 
siblings shared the same father or not unless we get really lucky finding 
multiple cousins via DNA. 

BTW, I just found out about this earlier this year. No one had told us, but 
maybe they assumed it was common knowledge? My mom is almost 92 & she had 
never heard of it, & my mom is still as sharp as a tack, she would not 
forget something like that. Virginia's daughter, Wanda is still alive & she 
had not heard of it. It was the children of Virginia's son Robert who had 
heard of it & he died back in 2007. We may never know? Lesson learned: ask 
lots of questions while people are still alive! Then still double & triple 
check...


On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 1:21:13 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
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> I'm starting the topic of lost husbands in its own thread since Paul's 
> topic was different. However, when Margaret brought the following up, I had 
> questions.
>
> Margaret said:
> < The number of years gives the reader an insight at this lady's situation. 
> Unfortunately this happened to many women on the islands with immigrated 
> husbands. Some waited for many years, others didn't. Does this answer your 
> question?>>
>
> I would say it's a fairly safe bet for the man to leave. Why did he leave? 
> Some of my thoughts would be he left to try to make a better life. One 
> would like to think that he went somewhere with the intent of making money 
> to send back for his wife and children, (assuming he had children already). 
> Suppose he was not successful in making enough money. He's in a new county 
> and she's back in the Azores. It must be very difficult for her, and more 
> so if she had children.
>
> Suppose the husband and wife decided that they could not stand each other. 
> I'm sure very few got divorced back then. He could leave and start up a new 
> family in a new country and no one would know.
>
> From the couple of ideas I thought of above, the husband could start over 
> and no one would know. He could have a second family! But everyone in the 
> freguesia knew if she had a 2nd family!
>
> Does anyone have historical insight as to these situations?
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker FTM16 support ending - Need Info on New Program

["E" Sharp]

FTM support is supposed to end the end of the year.  I have FTM 16.  Has
anyone changed to a different program or the new company who is supposed to
take over FTM users? Any other program to make an easy switch?  I am
looking for an easy switch and how to do it and what I will and/or will not
lose. Remember, I am not a computer genius...or anywhere near it.

"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help finding marriage record rabo de peixe

[Margaret Vicente]

Amy, you have the correct obit record for it states her husband's full name.

You will find as you continue searches that the obits' records give
approximate ages.  Watch for the words (more or less).



On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Amy Francis  wrote:

> Also found Anna de Benevides death in 1749, which gives an age of around
> 66, so born around 1683.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745-1758/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745-1758_item1/P40.html
>
> I had thought I found her baptism in 1690 here; but doesn't match the age
> on her death record- but I went back to 1782 and did not find any other
> anna with benevides in the record, so this is likely it.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1689-1710/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1689-1710_item1/P4.html
>
> Amy
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help finding marriage record rabo de peixe

[Amy Francis]

Also found Anna de Benevides death in 1749, which gives an age of around 
66, so born around 1683.  

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745-1758/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745-1758_item1/P40.html

I had thought I found her baptism in 1690 here; but doesn't match the age 
on her death record- but I went back to 1782 and did not find any other 
anna with benevides in the record, so this is likely it. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1689-1710/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1689-1710_item1/P4.html

Amy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Births of Merced County CA 1873-1912

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Thanks, Cheri, I missread and forgot that I had listed an example
(sleepy!).


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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> If "mo" is mother, Eric is saying the mother in your post, Mamie Vincent,
> mailed his family some postcards about 8 years after the birth of the
> child, Mary Madeline Almeida.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric, I think you answered the wrong email!
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:34 PM, luiznoia . 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have those very people in my files. Mamie Vincent sent my family some
>>> postcards around 1918. I have a photo I think is her. Her father was
>>> married three times so there is a large tree . The family is Vicente
>>> Ambrosio from Cedros , Flores.
>>>
>>> Eric Edgar.
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2016 4:37 PM, "Rosemarie Capodicci" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Our FHC is getting rid of several books, one of which is Births of
 Merced Cnty CA 1873--1912. There are many Portuguese names listed. I would
 be happy to check for you (there is a nice index in the back) Listed is
 child's name, date of birth, father, mother (maiden name) and birthplace of
 parent. Example:

 Book 3, page 166
 F, ch: Almeida, Mary Madaline
 bd: 11 Oct 1910
 bp: nr Gustine
 bm: 2, liv 2
 fa: Almeida, John age 32 bt Por
 ad: Merced oc Dairman
 mo: Vincent, Mamie age 23 bp CA

 So, as you can see much more info that on the CA Birth Index.

 Rosemarie
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help finding marriage record rabo de peixe

[Amy Francis]

Thanks!  I found Antonio Pereira's death entry in 1738 - 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1729-1745/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1729-1745_item1/P66.html

States he was 50 years old, so born around 1688.

I looked for his baptism but could not find it, fenais da luz seems to be 
missing the dates I need.  I think it jumped from 1686 to 1693?

Amy

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help finding marriage record rabo de peixe

[JR]

I found this in my files and what you posted:


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*Ancestors of Manuel Pereira Bicho*

 

 

*Generation No. 1*

 

   *1.*  *Manuel Pereira Bicho,* born 24 Feb 1715 in Rabo de Peixe, 
Senhor Bom Jesus.  He was the son of *2. Antonio Pereira Bicho* and *3. Ana 
de Benevides*.  He married *(1) Barbara da Conceicao de Almeida* 30 Jan 1738 
in Rabo de Peixe, Senhor Bom Jesus.  She was born in Rabo de Peixe, Senhor 
Bom Jesus.  She was the daughter of Manuel da Costa Pavao and Luzia da 
Costa.

 

Notes for Manuel Pereira Bicho:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1710-1730/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1710-1730_item1/P75.html

 

Rabo de Peixe, bap- Manoel, born- Feb 24- 1715, bap- March 2- 1715, filho 
de Antonio Pra Bixo nat de lugar de Fenais de Luz and Anna de Benevides nat 
de Calhetas, freg de Rabo de Peixe, Pad- Francisco Tavares Muniz and Ma. da 
Costa sua mer. moradores no dito Pico de Pedra desta freg.

 

He married with name Manoel Pereira

 

Notes for Barbara da Conceicao de Almeida:

She married as Barbara de Almeida

 

Marriage Notes for Manuel Pereira Bicho and Barbara Almeida:

There is Mel Pra and Barbara Almeida RP, Jan 30- 1738 To check

 

*Generation No. 2*

 

*2.*  *Antonio Pereira Bicho,* born in Fenais da Luz, res Calhetas, 
freg de Rabo de Paixe; died Bef. 03 Jun 1741.  He married *3. Ana de 
Benevides*.

*3.*  *Ana de Benevides,* born in Calhetas, freg de Rabo de Paixe.

 

Notes for Antonio Pereira Bicho:

The name Antonio Pereira Bixo is from baptism of filho Manoel.



Children of Antonio Pereira Bicho and Ana Benevides are:

  i.Francisca Pereira, born in Rabo de Peixe, 
Senhor Bom Jesus; married Jose de Andrade 03 Jun 1741 in Rabo de Peixe, 
Senhor Bom Jesus; born in bap- NS dos Anjos, Fajao.

 

Marriage Notes for Francisca Pereira and Jose Andrade:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759_item1/P236.html

 

1ii.Manuel Pereira Bicho, born 24 Feb 1715 in 
Rabo de Peixe, Senhor Bom Jesus; married Barbara da Conceicao de Almeida 30 
Jan 1738 in Rabo de Peixe, Senhor Bom Jesus.

 

 

On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 8:41:34 AM UTC-4, Amy Francis wrote:
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> Thank you all!  I will start looking with these new hints.  I'll post if I 
> find anything.  
>
> Amy
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help finding marriage record rabo de peixe

[Amy Francis]

Thank you all!  I will start looking with these new hints.  I'll post if I 
find anything.  

Amy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Births of Merced County CA 1873-1912

[Cheri Mello]

If "mo" is mother, Eric is saying the mother in your post, Mamie Vincent,
mailed his family some postcards about 8 years after the birth of the
child, Mary Madeline Almeida.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Eric, I think you answered the wrong email!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:34 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>
>> I have those very people in my files. Mamie Vincent sent my family some
>> postcards around 1918. I have a photo I think is her. Her father was
>> married three times so there is a large tree . The family is Vicente
>> Ambrosio from Cedros , Flores.
>>
>> Eric Edgar.
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2016 4:37 PM, "Rosemarie Capodicci"  wrote:
>>
>>> Our FHC is getting rid of several books, one of which is Births of
>>> Merced Cnty CA 1873--1912. There are many Portuguese names listed. I would
>>> be happy to check for you (there is a nice index in the back) Listed is
>>> child's name, date of birth, father, mother (maiden name) and birthplace of
>>> parent. Example:
>>>
>>> Book 3, page 166
>>> F, ch: Almeida, Mary Madaline
>>> bd: 11 Oct 1910
>>> bp: nr Gustine
>>> bm: 2, liv 2
>>> fa: Almeida, John age 32 bt Por
>>> ad: Merced oc Dairman
>>> mo: Vincent, Mamie age 23 bp CA
>>>
>>> So, as you can see much more info that on the CA Birth Index.
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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