Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose de Sousa Perreira de Borba and Maria Silveira

2017-03-09 Thread Louie Avila
Cheri,

Thank you!!!
This was a good find ... moved me to records I can read for once ... :')
Santa Catarina, Calheta (the city)

Louie

On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 6:18:54 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Yes, an abbreviation for Santa Catarina. 
> sobra d^a V^aroughly says of the above same Vila
>
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>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Louie Avila  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Help with just a few words, please.
>>
>> On this link ... left hand side ...
>> Fifth line from the bottom ...
>>
>> "Natual de Matris de" ... Is that Santa Catarina? and beyond that point 
>> to "e Maria Sylveira".da Sabred, a V, a. ???
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1764-1803/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1764-1803_item1/P122.html
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Louie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with margin note

2017-03-09 Thread Joseph Mendonca
Of course, I see it now Margaret.  Thanks as always.

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> Yeah, it should be on the marriage record. You'll have to order that from
> the Civil Registry. Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with margin note

2017-03-09 Thread Cheri Mello
Yeah, it should be on the marriage record. You'll have to order that from
the Civil Registry. Cheri

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with margin note

2017-03-09 Thread Margaret Vicente
Joseph and Cheri,

The margin note of the area in question reads: "filho ilegitimo de pai
inco..gnito e de Delfina Rosa de Jesus.

Joseph, where you are reading Jose, it is pai.




On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> Thanks Cheri.  I found Eugenio's baptismal in Achadinha and no mention of
> his father in the margin and of course he was incognito in the record.  I
> wonder if he was named on Eugenio's marriage record in 1921.  Someone knew
> who he was and penned it in that margin note.  Hmmm.  Maybe obtaining the
> marriage certificate from the civil registry would shed some light on this.
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Maria #23?
>> 1st margin note looks like the husband is an illegitmate son. They split
>> dad's name between two pages. It's hard to tell. But since the husband was
>> 23 or 25 at marriage in 1921, I'd go looking for the births of Eugenios in
>> Achadinha in 1896-1898. Hopefully someone else wrote his info and it's
>> clearer.
>>
>> Louie - note 2 says that the marriage was dissolved by the death of the
>> spouse. That's they way they write it when the spouse passes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maria- Left side, bottom, margin note
>>>
>>> It states "filho ilegitimo de Jose *" * I can't make out the
>>> father's surname in the margin note.
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-
>>> ACHADINHA-B-1900-1905/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1900-1905_item1/P24.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with margin note

2017-03-09 Thread Louie Avila
Thank you Cheri!

Louie

On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 6:28:50 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Maria #23?
> 1st margin note looks like the husband is an illegitmate son. They split 
> dad's name between two pages. It's hard to tell. But since the husband was 
> 23 or 25 at marriage in 1921, I'd go looking for the births of Eugenios in 
> Achadinha in 1896-1898. Hopefully someone else wrote his info and it's 
> clearer.
>
> Louie - note 2 says that the marriage was dissolved by the death of the 
> spouse. That's they way they write it when the spouse passes.
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Joseph Mendonca  > wrote:
>
>> Maria- Left side, bottom, margin note
>>
>> It states "filho ilegitimo de Jose *" * I can't make out the 
>> father's surname in the margin note.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1900-1905/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1900-1905_item1/P24.html
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with margin note

2017-03-09 Thread Joseph Mendonca
Thanks Cheri.  I found Eugenio's baptismal in Achadinha and no mention of
his father in the margin and of course he was incognito in the record.  I
wonder if he was named on Eugenio's marriage record in 1921.  Someone knew
who he was and penned it in that margin note.  Hmmm.  Maybe obtaining the
marriage certificate from the civil registry would shed some light on this.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Maria #23?
> 1st margin note looks like the husband is an illegitmate son. They split
> dad's name between two pages. It's hard to tell. But since the husband was
> 23 or 25 at marriage in 1921, I'd go looking for the births of Eugenios in
> Achadinha in 1896-1898. Hopefully someone else wrote his info and it's
> clearer.
>
> Louie - note 2 says that the marriage was dissolved by the death of the
> spouse. That's they way they write it when the spouse passes.
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
> wrote:
>
>> Maria- Left side, bottom, margin note
>>
>> It states "filho ilegitimo de Jose *" * I can't make out the
>> father's surname in the margin note.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-
>> ACHADINHA-B-1900-1905/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1900-1905_item1/P24.html
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with margin note

2017-03-09 Thread Cheri Mello
Maria #23?
1st margin note looks like the husband is an illegitmate son. They split
dad's name between two pages. It's hard to tell. But since the husband was
23 or 25 at marriage in 1921, I'd go looking for the births of Eugenios in
Achadinha in 1896-1898. Hopefully someone else wrote his info and it's
clearer.

Louie - note 2 says that the marriage was dissolved by the death of the
spouse. That's they way they write it when the spouse passes.



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On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> Maria- Left side, bottom, margin note
>
> It states "filho ilegitimo de Jose *" * I can't make out the father's
> surname in the margin note.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> ND-ACHADINHA-B-1900-1905/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1900-1905_item1/P24.html
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose de Sousa Perreira de Borba and Maria Silveira

2017-03-09 Thread Cheri Mello
Yes, an abbreviation for Santa Catarina.
sobra d^a V^aroughly says of the above same Vila

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On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Louie Avila 
wrote:

>
> Help with just a few words, please.
>
> On this link ... left hand side ...
> Fifth line from the bottom ...
>
> "Natual de Matris de" ... Is that Santa Catarina? and beyond that point to
> "e Maria Sylveira".da Sabred, a V, a. ???
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1764-1803/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1764-1803_item1/P122.html
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Louie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: another marriage trans

2017-03-09 Thread Louie Avila
That doesn't appear to be Furtado ...

I would look for the death record of Vicente ??? (Goularte, Andrade, 
whatever) ... to see if you could confirm. As of that document, he has 
passed (ja defunto).

Probably not many Vincente deaths during that timeframe in that Freguesia.

I'll look.

Louie

On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 5:14:18 PM UTC-8, linda wrote:
>
>
> Hi Liz,
>
> I'd welcome other opinions on this record.  I can see "S.ra" for the 
> bride's name, and that does appear more consistent with the priest's 
> writing than making it into "M.a".  For the husband's father's last name, 
> Goularte looks good to me too.  But honestly, I can't argue for or against 
> any particular first name for him.  I can see the " filho de" with the "de" 
> running into the name, but I can't make sense of the letters after that.  
> "M.el" was my best guess, but I admit it's tenuous and "Ant.o" is about the 
> same. 
>
> :/
>
> Linda
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 3:31:42 PM UTC-8, Lizmig wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Could this one say Antonio Goularte and not Gonclaves 
>> Does the bride say* Senhorinha *Rosa daughter of Vicente Furtado.
>>
>> Reason why I'm asking is I just uncovered my "Cedros Marriages" book and 
>> trying to connect with the ones I find on Tombo.   So for Antonio it has 
>> Goularte and for the bride it has Senhorinha Rosa furtado.Haven't seen 
>> that one yet for a name
>>
>> Liz
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:08 AM, linda  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Liz, what I see is:
>>>
>>> 5 November 1807, morning
>>> Ant.o Silveira filho de M.el Silveira [g-- = goncalves??] & Rosa M.a ja 
>>> defuntos
>>> com M.a Rosa filha de Vicente Furtado ja defunto [mother not noted]
>>>
>>> ages not noted;  I'm not sure of "Furtado", but I can't make it out to 
>>> be anything else
>>>
>>> hope that helps,
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 9:22:47 PM UTC-8, Lizmig wrote:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1772-1808/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1772-1808_item1/P134.html

 Bottom right Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa
 Nov 5 1807 I think.

 Antonio Silveira son of ? and Rosa Maria
 Maria daughter of ??
 does it say how old they were.

 thx
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with margin note

2017-03-09 Thread Joseph Mendonca
Thank you.


On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 9:07 PM, Louie Avila 
wrote:

> It appears she married (note 1), maybe it was annulled (note 2) and she
> passed (note 3)
> I'll lean on others for note #2.
>
> Louie
>
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 5:35:03 PM UTC-8, jemendonca642 wrote:
>>
>> Maria- Left side, bottom, margin note
>>
>> It states "filho ilegitimo de Jose *" * I can't make out the
>> father's surname in the margin note.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-
>> ACHADINHA-B-1900-1905/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1900-1905_item1/P24.html
>>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with margin note

2017-03-09 Thread Louie Avila
It appears she married (note 1), maybe it was annulled (note 2) and she 
passed (note 3)
I'll lean on others for note #2.

Louie


On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 5:35:03 PM UTC-8, jemendonca642 wrote:
>
> Maria- Left side, bottom, margin note
>
> It states "filho ilegitimo de Jose *" * I can't make out the father's 
> surname in the margin note.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1900-1905/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1900-1905_item1/P24.html
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Jose de Sousa Perreira de Borba and Maria Silveira

2017-03-09 Thread Louie Avila

Help with just a few words, please.

On this link ... left hand side ...
Fifth line from the bottom ...

"Natual de Matris de" ... Is that Santa Catarina? and beyond that point to 
"e Maria Sylveira".da Sabred, a V, a. ???

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1764-1803/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1764-1803_item1/P122.html

Thanks in advance,
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with margin note

2017-03-09 Thread Joseph Mendonca
Maria- Left side, bottom, margin note

It states "filho ilegitimo de Jose *" * I can't make out the father's
surname in the margin note.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1900-1905/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1900-1905_item1/P24.html


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: another marriage trans

2017-03-09 Thread linda

Hi Liz,

I'd welcome other opinions on this record.  I can see "S.ra" for the 
bride's name, and that does appear more consistent with the priest's 
writing than making it into "M.a".  For the husband's father's last name, 
Goularte looks good to me too.  But honestly, I can't argue for or against 
any particular first name for him.  I can see the " filho de" with the "de" 
running into the name, but I can't make sense of the letters after that.  
"M.el" was my best guess, but I admit it's tenuous and "Ant.o" is about the 
same. 

:/

Linda

On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 3:31:42 PM UTC-8, Lizmig wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Could this one say Antonio Goularte and not Gonclaves 
> Does the bride say* Senhorinha *Rosa daughter of Vicente Furtado.
>
> Reason why I'm asking is I just uncovered my "Cedros Marriages" book and 
> trying to connect with the ones I find on Tombo.   So for Antonio it has 
> Goularte and for the bride it has Senhorinha Rosa furtado.Haven't seen 
> that one yet for a name
>
> Liz
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:08 AM, linda > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Liz, what I see is:
>>
>> 5 November 1807, morning
>> Ant.o Silveira filho de M.el Silveira [g-- = goncalves??] & Rosa M.a ja 
>> defuntos
>> com M.a Rosa filha de Vicente Furtado ja defunto [mother not noted]
>>
>> ages not noted;  I'm not sure of "Furtado", but I can't make it out to be 
>> anything else
>>
>> hope that helps,
>>
>> Linda
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 9:22:47 PM UTC-8, Lizmig wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1772-1808/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1772-1808_item1/P134.html
>>>
>>> Bottom right Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa
>>> Nov 5 1807 I think.
>>>
>>> Antonio Silveira son of ? and Rosa Maria
>>> Maria daughter of ??
>>> does it say how old they were.
>>>
>>> thx
>>> Liz
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: marriage trans help

2017-03-09 Thread Elizabeth Migliori
Hi Again

I see the Perpetua now in the upper left which confirms the one in the body
after her name.
I don't see the Luis though.
I see the Cabeca and wonder about that too?  Doesn't that mean head???

thx for help

Liz


On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 4:55 PM, linda  wrote:

>
> ouch!
>
> maybe:
>
> 4 Nov 1809 morning
> Antonio Silv.a f.o legitimo de Jose Silv.a Luis ja defunto & Eugenia?
> Maria
> to Maria Felicia Perpetua?? f.a legitma de Joze de Roza Cabeca [that's
> probably wrong] & Rosa Filicia ja defunta
>
> 8^o
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 2:39:30 PM UTC-8, Lizmig wrote:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-
>> CEDROS-C-1808-1829/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1808-1829_item1/P10.html
>>
>> Nov 14??maybe 1809
>>
>> Upper Left
>>
>> Antonio Silveira son of Jose Silveira I think can't make out mother
>> can't make out bride  Maria  daughter of ? or parents
>>
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: another marriage trans

2017-03-09 Thread Elizabeth Migliori
Hi

Could this one say Antonio Goularte and not Gonclaves
Does the bride say* Senhorinha *Rosa daughter of Vicente Furtado.

Reason why I'm asking is I just uncovered my "Cedros Marriages" book and
trying to connect with the ones I find on Tombo.   So for Antonio it has
Goularte and for the bride it has Senhorinha Rosa furtado.Haven't seen
that one yet for a name

Liz

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:08 AM, linda  wrote:

> Hi Liz, what I see is:
>
> 5 November 1807, morning
> Ant.o Silveira filho de M.el Silveira [g-- = goncalves??] & Rosa M.a ja
> defuntos
> com M.a Rosa filha de Vicente Furtado ja defunto [mother not noted]
>
> ages not noted;  I'm not sure of "Furtado", but I can't make it out to be
> anything else
>
> hope that helps,
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 9:22:47 PM UTC-8, Lizmig wrote:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-
>> CEDROS-C-1772-1808/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1772-1808_item1/P134.html
>>
>> Bottom right Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa
>> Nov 5 1807 I think.
>>
>> Antonio Silveira son of ? and Rosa Maria
>> Maria daughter of ??
>> does it say how old they were.
>>
>> thx
>> Liz
>>
>>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Machado Luis married around 1800

2017-03-09 Thread Louie Avila

In case anyone is looking for a marriage of Jose Machado Luis from Terceira 
...
I came across a marriage record in Norte Pequeno for him.
I know these inter island marriages can be tricky.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-C-1780-1852/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-C-1780-1852_item1/P38.html

Louie


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventario de Maria Angelica do Coracao de Jesus e Antonio Pereira Goulart

2017-03-09 Thread Sami
Thanks Cheri, I thought that would be the case. I am already in touch with 
Joao about getting my great-grandfather's death info, so I will ask him 
about this record when he returns from California. 

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 10:12:39 PM UTC-6, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> That's that sorta sister site to the CCA. You can either go to the Azores 
> or hire someone to go there and get it for you. I think it says it is 
> physically in Horta. If so, I believe Joao Ventura goes to Horta from time 
> to time. Right now, he's in California, lecturing on genealogy. Go ahead 
> and email him and ask if he can get it for you, but he may not get back to 
> you right away. heroi99 at yahoo.com
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Sami > 
> wrote:
>
>> Since I cannot go in person to view this record, is there another way to 
>> find out what this is about and be able to view the record? 
>> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=999351&ht=Antonio|Pereira|Goulart
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