[AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Civil Registry- Ordering

2017-03-10 Thread Joseph Mendonca 
How does one go about ordering records from the Portuguese Civil Registry?
Online or snail mail?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Civil Registry- Ordering

2017-03-10 Thread Cheri Mello 
I *think* this is it:
https://www.portaldocidadao.pt/web/instituto-dos-registos-e-do-notariado/registo-civil-certidao-de-nascimento

Not sure of the years it covers. Also, I seem to remember that you need to
be a Portuguese citizen to obtain a record.
Cheri

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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Joseph Mendonca 
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> How does one go about ordering records from the Portuguese Civil Registry?
> Online or snail mail?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Civil Registry- Ordering

2017-03-10 Thread Joseph Mendonca 
Yes, I have dual citizenship and have my Portuguese ID card.  I wasn't sure
if you could order documents which are not your immediate family.  I'll
give it try.  Just have to figure out how to navigate that site.  I ordered
my son's birth certificate via the internet in the early 2000's with the
help of the Portuguese Consulate in New Bedford.

Thanks Cheri, see you in Salt Lake!

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I *think* this is it:
> https://www.portaldocidadao.pt/web/instituto-dos-registos-
> e-do-notariado/registo-civil-certidao-de-nascimento
>
> Not sure of the years it covers. Also, I seem to remember that you need to
> be a Portuguese citizen to obtain a record.
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Joseph Mendonca 
> wrote:
>
>> How does one go about ordering records from the Portuguese Civil
>> Registry? Online or snail mail?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Civil Registry- Ordering

2017-03-10 Thread Joseph Mendonca 
My attempt ran into a couple of issues:
Required fields
1. Individuals date of birth must be 1917 or greater, I needed 1908
2. Must know parents names, which is one thing I'm trying to obtain.

Oh well.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> Yes, I have dual citizenship and have my Portuguese ID card.  I wasn't
> sure if you could order documents which are not your immediate family.
> I'll give it try.  Just have to figure out how to navigate that site.  I
> ordered my son's birth certificate via the internet in the early 2000's
> with the help of the Portuguese Consulate in New Bedford.
>
> Thanks Cheri, see you in Salt Lake!
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> I *think* this is it:
>> https://www.portaldocidadao.pt/web/instituto-dos-registos-e-
>> do-notariado/registo-civil-certidao-de-nascimento
>>
>> Not sure of the years it covers. Also, I seem to remember that you need
>> to be a Portuguese citizen to obtain a record.
>> Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Joseph Mendonca > > wrote:
>>
>>> How does one go about ordering records from the Portuguese Civil
>>> Registry? Online or snail mail?
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Civil Registry- Ordering

2017-03-10 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
If it is 1908 it is likely on line and you can look it up yourself.
JMR
 

On Friday, March 10, 2017 2:21 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
 wrote:
 

 My attempt ran into a couple of issues:Required fields1. Individuals date of 
birth must be 1917 or greater, I needed 19082. Must know parents names, which 
is one thing I'm trying to obtain.
Oh well.
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Joseph Mendonca  
wrote:

Yes, I have dual citizenship and have my Portuguese ID card.  I wasn't sure if 
you could order documents which are not your immediate family.  I'll give it 
try.  Just have to figure out how to navigate that site.  I ordered my son's 
birth certificate via the internet in the early 2000's with the help of the 
Portuguese Consulate in New Bedford.
Thanks Cheri, see you in Salt Lake!
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

I *think* this is it: 
https://www.portaldocidadao.pt /web/instituto-dos-registos-e- 
do-notariado/registo-civil-cer tidao-de-nascimento

Not sure of the years it covers. Also, I seem to remember that you need to be a 
Portuguese citizen to obtain a record. 
Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Joseph Mendonca  
wrote:

How does one go about ordering records from the Portuguese Civil Registry? 
Online or snail mail?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Civil Registry- Ordering

2017-03-10 Thread Marilyn Thompson 
Doesn't Civil Registration start with the year 1911? I know when we were on
the islands that was the date we had to get from the Civil Registration
offices.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:33 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> If it is 1908 it is likely on line and you can look it up yourself.
>
> JMR
>
>
> On Friday, March 10, 2017 2:21 PM, Joseph Mendonca <
> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> My attempt ran into a couple of issues:
> Required fields
> 1. Individuals date of birth must be 1917 or greater, I needed 1908
> 2. Must know parents names, which is one thing I'm trying to obtain.
>
> Oh well.
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
> wrote:
>
> Yes, I have dual citizenship and have my Portuguese ID card.  I wasn't
> sure if you could order documents which are not your immediate family.
> I'll give it try.  Just have to figure out how to navigate that site.  I
> ordered my son's birth certificate via the internet in the early 2000's
> with the help of the Portuguese Consulate in New Bedford.
>
> Thanks Cheri, see you in Salt Lake!
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> I *think* this is it:
> https://www.portaldocidadao.pt /web/instituto-dos-registos-e-
> do-notariado/registo-civil-cer tidao-de-nascimento
> 
>
> Not sure of the years it covers. Also, I seem to remember that you need to
> be a Portuguese citizen to obtain a record.
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Joseph Mendonca 
> wrote:
>
> How does one go about ordering records from the Portuguese Civil Registry?
> Online or snail mail?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Civil Registry- Ordering

2017-03-10 Thread Joseph Mendonca 
Parish records in Furnas end at 1905.  When I entered the year in the field
on the ordering page on Portal do Cidadão it gave me a pop up error message
saying that the year entered had to be 1917 or greater.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
wrote:

> Doesn't Civil Registration start with the year 1911? I know when we were
> on the islands that was the date we had to get from the Civil Registration
> offices.
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:33 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> If it is 1908 it is likely on line and you can look it up yourself.
>>
>> JMR
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 10, 2017 2:21 PM, Joseph Mendonca <
>> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> My attempt ran into a couple of issues:
>> Required fields
>> 1. Individuals date of birth must be 1917 or greater, I needed 1908
>> 2. Must know parents names, which is one thing I'm trying to obtain.
>>
>> Oh well.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Joseph Mendonca > > wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I have dual citizenship and have my Portuguese ID card.  I wasn't
>> sure if you could order documents which are not your immediate family.
>> I'll give it try.  Just have to figure out how to navigate that site.  I
>> ordered my son's birth certificate via the internet in the early 2000's
>> with the help of the Portuguese Consulate in New Bedford.
>>
>> Thanks Cheri, see you in Salt Lake!
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Cheri Mello 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I *think* this is it:
>> https://www.portaldocidadao.pt /web/instituto-dos-registos-e-
>> do-notariado/registo-civil-cer tidao-de-nascimento
>> 
>>
>> Not sure of the years it covers. Also, I seem to remember that you need
>> to be a Portuguese citizen to obtain a record.
>> Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Joseph Mendonca > > wrote:
>>
>> How does one go about ordering records from the Portuguese Civil
>> Registry? Online or snail mail?
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Civil Registry- Ordering

2017-03-10 Thread Margaret Vicente 
That's because the years 1909 to 1916 have been transferred to the Public
Library.  You will need to order in writing and include the cost.  It's
only a few cents for a copy but if you want it stamped/certified it will
cost around E$20

You can also call them to find out more.  Here's the link for "Biblioteca
Publica e Arquivo Digital"

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=biblioteca+publica+ponta+delgada&rflfq=1&rlha=0&rllag=37742313,-25667461,298&tbm=lcl&rldimm=1851515519364667427&tbs=lf_od:-1,lf_oh:-1,lf_pqs:EAE,lf:1,lf_ui:3&*


On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> Parish records in Furnas end at 1905.  When I entered the year in the
> field on the ordering page on Portal do Cidadão it gave me a pop up error
> message saying that the year entered had to be 1917 or greater.
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> Doesn't Civil Registration start with the year 1911? I know when we were
>> on the islands that was the date we had to get from the Civil Registration
>> offices.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:33 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If it is 1908 it is likely on line and you can look it up yourself.
>>>
>>> JMR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 10, 2017 2:21 PM, Joseph Mendonca <
>>> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> My attempt ran into a couple of issues:
>>> Required fields
>>> 1. Individuals date of birth must be 1917 or greater, I needed 1908
>>> 2. Must know parents names, which is one thing I'm trying to obtain.
>>>
>>> Oh well.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Joseph Mendonca <
>>> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I have dual citizenship and have my Portuguese ID card.  I wasn't
>>> sure if you could order documents which are not your immediate family.
>>> I'll give it try.  Just have to figure out how to navigate that site.  I
>>> ordered my son's birth certificate via the internet in the early 2000's
>>> with the help of the Portuguese Consulate in New Bedford.
>>>
>>> Thanks Cheri, see you in Salt Lake!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Cheri Mello 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I *think* this is it:
>>> https://www.portaldocidadao.pt /web/instituto-dos-registos-e-
>>> do-notariado/registo-civil-cer tidao-de-nascimento
>>> 
>>>
>>> Not sure of the years it covers. Also, I seem to remember that you need
>>> to be a Portuguese citizen to obtain a record.
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Joseph Mendonca <
>>> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> How does one go about ordering records from the Portuguese Civil
>>> Registry? Online or snail mail?
>>>
>>> --
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Civil Registry- Ordering

2017-03-10 Thread Joseph Mendonca 
Thank you Margaret.  Any idea about the years in between 1905 and 1909?  I
need 1908.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> That's because the years 1909 to 1916 have been transferred to the Public
> Library.  You will need to order in writing and include the cost.  It's
> only a few cents for a copy but if you want it stamped/certified it will
> cost around E$20
>
> You can also call them to find out more.  Here's the link for "Biblioteca
> Publica e Arquivo Digital"
>
> https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&;
> espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=biblioteca+publica+ponta+delgada&rflfq=1&
> rlha=0&rllag=37742313,-25667461,298&tbm=lcl&rldimm=
> 1851515519364667427&tbs=lf_od:-1,lf_oh:-1,lf_pqs:EAE,lf:1,lf_ui:3&*
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
> wrote:
>
>> Parish records in Furnas end at 1905.  When I entered the year in the
>> field on the ordering page on Portal do Cidadão it gave me a pop up error
>> message saying that the year entered had to be 1917 or greater.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Doesn't Civil Registration start with the year 1911? I know when we were
>>> on the islands that was the date we had to get from the Civil Registration
>>> offices.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:33 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 If it is 1908 it is likely on line and you can look it up yourself.

 JMR


 On Friday, March 10, 2017 2:21 PM, Joseph Mendonca <
 jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:


 My attempt ran into a couple of issues:
 Required fields
 1. Individuals date of birth must be 1917 or greater, I needed 1908
 2. Must know parents names, which is one thing I'm trying to obtain.

 Oh well.

 On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Joseph Mendonca <
 jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Yes, I have dual citizenship and have my Portuguese ID card.  I wasn't
 sure if you could order documents which are not your immediate family.
 I'll give it try.  Just have to figure out how to navigate that site.  I
 ordered my son's birth certificate via the internet in the early 2000's
 with the help of the Portuguese Consulate in New Bedford.

 Thanks Cheri, see you in Salt Lake!

 On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

 I *think* this is it:
 https://www.portaldocidadao.pt /web/instituto-dos-registos-e-
 do-notariado/registo-civil-cer tidao-de-nascimento
 

 Not sure of the years it covers. Also, I seem to remember that you need
 to be a Portuguese citizen to obtain a record.
 Cheri

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Joseph Mendonca <
 jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:

 How does one go about ordering records from the Portuguese Civil
 Registry? Online or snail mail?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Civil Registry- Ordering

2017-03-10 Thread Cheri Mello 
The Ponta Delgada archive is a pain. Many of the freguesias online end
around 1905 or so. They should now have the books up to 1910. Maybe 1915.
You should contact the archive for a 1908 record. See if their email
address is on their web site. I'll look for it when I get home, unless
someone else finds it first. Cheri

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Civil Registry- Ordering

2017-03-10 Thread Margaret Vicente 
All years up to 1917 will be at the Public Library.  

We should be contacting CCA to inquire when will they be bringing the parishes 
up to date in conformance with the 100 year rule?  If enough of us do this they 
may give it consideration.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 10, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Joseph Mendonca  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Margaret.  Any idea about the years in between 1905 and 1909?  I 
> need 1908.
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Margaret Vicente 
>>  wrote:
>> That's because the years 1909 to 1916 have been transferred to the Public 
>> Library.  You will need to order in writing and include the cost.  It's only 
>> a few cents for a copy but if you want it stamped/certified it will cost 
>> around E$20
>> 
>> You can also call them to find out more.  Here's the link for "Biblioteca 
>> Publica e Arquivo Digital"
>> 
>> https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=biblioteca+publica+ponta+delgada&rflfq=1&rlha=0&rllag=37742313,-25667461,298&tbm=lcl&rldimm=1851515519364667427&tbs=lf_od:-1,lf_oh:-1,lf_pqs:EAE,lf:1,lf_ui:3&*
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Joseph Mendonca  
>>> wrote:
>>> Parish records in Furnas end at 1905.  When I entered the year in the field 
>>> on the ordering page on Portal do Cidadão it gave me a pop up error message 
>>> saying that the year entered had to be 1917 or greater.
>>> 
 On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson  
 wrote:
 Doesn't Civil Registration start with the year 1911? I know when we were 
 on the islands that was the date we had to get from the Civil Registration 
 offices. 
 
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:33 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> If it is 1908 it is likely on line and you can look it up yourself.
> 
> JMR
> 
> 
> On Friday, March 10, 2017 2:21 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> My attempt ran into a couple of issues:
> Required fields
> 1. Individuals date of birth must be 1917 or greater, I needed 1908
> 2. Must know parents names, which is one thing I'm trying to obtain.
> 
> Oh well.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
>  wrote:
> Yes, I have dual citizenship and have my Portuguese ID card.  I wasn't 
> sure if you could order documents which are not your immediate family.  
> I'll give it try.  Just have to figure out how to navigate that site.  I 
> ordered my son's birth certificate via the internet in the early 2000's 
> with the help of the Portuguese Consulate in New Bedford.
> 
> Thanks Cheri, see you in Salt Lake!
> 
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> I *think* this is it: 
> https://www.portaldocidadao.pt /web/instituto-dos-registos-e- 
> do-notariado/registo-civil-cer tidao-de-nascimento
> 
> Not sure of the years it covers. Also, I seem to remember that you need 
> to be a Portuguese citizen to obtain a record. 
> Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Joseph Mendonca 
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> How does one go about ordering records from the Portuguese Civil 
> Registry? Online or snail mail?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: trans marriage

2017-03-10 Thread Shirley Allegre 
This is what I see:

Antonio Silveira 
(Jose Silveira __, deceased X Ignes? Silveira)
SPOUSE
Maria Rosa
(Manoel Silveira Goularte X Rosa Maria, dec. 

Shirley in CA
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  To: Azores Genealogy 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 12:22 AM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: trans marriage



  Hello,
  Married September 3, 1800
  Antonio Silveira, son of Jose Silveira ?something?, ja defunto and Ignes 
Silveira
  Maria Rosa, daughter of what looks like Manuel Silveira "abbreviated name 
that begins with the letter g". and Rosa Maria, ja defunta

  I can't say whether or nor they were related, but Silveira was/is a common 
surname.  The ages of the bride and groom are not indicated.

  On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 9:22:33 PM UTC-8, Lizmig wrote:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1772-1808/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1772-1808_item1/P102.html


Bottom Left  marriage of Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa

Sept 3 what year 18??

Cannot make out parents  

Antonio son of Jose Silveira and 

Maria daughter of Manuel Silveira and ??

were they related?

Does it say how old they were


Liz


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Civil Registry- Ordering

2017-03-10 Thread Cheri Mello 
Interesting. They used to transfer books over to the archive in years
divisible by 5: 2005, 2010, 2015. So they'd get 5 years worth of books. Now
it's yearly? I haven't been over there in many years to find out.

Here's the email for the archive in Ponta Delgada:
bpar.pdelgada.i...@azores.gov.pt

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> All years up to 1917 will be at the Public Library.
>
> We should be contacting CCA to inquire when will they be bringing the
> parishes up to date in conformance with the 100 year rule?  If enough of us
> do this they may give it consideration.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 10, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
> wrote:
>
> Thank you Margaret.  Any idea about the years in between 1905 and 1909?  I
> need 1908.
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That's because the years 1909 to 1916 have been transferred to the Public
>> Library.  You will need to order in writing and include the cost.  It's
>> only a few cents for a copy but if you want it stamped/certified it will
>> cost around E$20
>>
>> You can also call them to find out more.  Here's the link for "Biblioteca
>> Publica e Arquivo Digital"
>>
>> https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&es
>> pv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=biblioteca+publica+ponta+delgada&rflfq=1&rlh
>> a=0&rllag=37742313,-25667461,298&tbm=lcl&rldimm=18515155193
>> 64667427&tbs=lf_od:-1,lf_oh:-1,lf_pqs:EAE,lf:1,lf_ui:3&*
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Joseph Mendonca > > wrote:
>>
>>> Parish records in Furnas end at 1905.  When I entered the year in the
>>> field on the ordering page on Portal do Cidadão it gave me a pop up error
>>> message saying that the year entered had to be 1917 or greater.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Doesn't Civil Registration start with the year 1911? I know when we
 were on the islands that was the date we had to get from the Civil
 Registration offices.

 On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:33 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
 azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> If it is 1908 it is likely on line and you can look it up yourself.
>
> JMR
>
>
> On Friday, March 10, 2017 2:21 PM, Joseph Mendonca <
> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> My attempt ran into a couple of issues:
> Required fields
> 1. Individuals date of birth must be 1917 or greater, I needed 1908
> 2. Must know parents names, which is one thing I'm trying to obtain.
>
> Oh well.
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Joseph Mendonca <
> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, I have dual citizenship and have my Portuguese ID card.  I wasn't
> sure if you could order documents which are not your immediate family.
> I'll give it try.  Just have to figure out how to navigate that site.  I
> ordered my son's birth certificate via the internet in the early 2000's
> with the help of the Portuguese Consulate in New Bedford.
>
> Thanks Cheri, see you in Salt Lake!
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Cheri Mello 
> wrote:
>
> I *think* this is it:
> https://www.portaldocidadao.pt /web/instituto-dos-registos-e-
> do-notariado/registo-civil-cer tidao-de-nascimento
> 
>
> Not sure of the years it covers. Also, I seem to remember that you
> need to be a Portuguese citizen to obtain a record.
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Joseph Mendonca <
> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How does one go about ordering records from the Portuguese Civil
> Registry? Online or snail mail?
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Civil Registry- Ordering

2017-03-10 Thread Tish M 
Good idea Margaret. I would think they have enough material to work with.
Do you have any ideas, João Ventura?
Tish

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> All years up to 1917 will be at the Public Library.
>
> We should be contacting CCA to inquire when will they be bringing the
> parishes up to date in conformance with the 100 year rule?  If enough of us
> do this they may give it consideration.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 10, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
> wrote:
>
> Thank you Margaret.  Any idea about the years in between 1905 and 1909?  I
> need 1908.
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That's because the years 1909 to 1916 have been transferred to the Public
>> Library.  You will need to order in writing and include the cost.  It's
>> only a few cents for a copy but if you want it stamped/certified it will
>> cost around E$20
>>
>> You can also call them to find out more.  Here's the link for "Biblioteca
>> Publica e Arquivo Digital"
>>
>> https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&es
>> pv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=biblioteca+publica+ponta+delgada&rflfq=1&rlh
>> a=0&rllag=37742313,-25667461,298&tbm=lcl&rldimm=18515155193
>> 64667427&tbs=lf_od:-1,lf_oh:-1,lf_pqs:EAE,lf:1,lf_ui:3&*
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Joseph Mendonca > > wrote:
>>
>>> Parish records in Furnas end at 1905.  When I entered the year in the
>>> field on the ordering page on Portal do Cidadão it gave me a pop up error
>>> message saying that the year entered had to be 1917 or greater.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Doesn't Civil Registration start with the year 1911? I know when we
 were on the islands that was the date we had to get from the Civil
 Registration offices.

 On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:33 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
 azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> If it is 1908 it is likely on line and you can look it up yourself.
>
> JMR
>
>
> On Friday, March 10, 2017 2:21 PM, Joseph Mendonca <
> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> My attempt ran into a couple of issues:
> Required fields
> 1. Individuals date of birth must be 1917 or greater, I needed 1908
> 2. Must know parents names, which is one thing I'm trying to obtain.
>
> Oh well.
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Joseph Mendonca <
> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, I have dual citizenship and have my Portuguese ID card.  I wasn't
> sure if you could order documents which are not your immediate family.
> I'll give it try.  Just have to figure out how to navigate that site.  I
> ordered my son's birth certificate via the internet in the early 2000's
> with the help of the Portuguese Consulate in New Bedford.
>
> Thanks Cheri, see you in Salt Lake!
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Cheri Mello 
> wrote:
>
> I *think* this is it:
> https://www.portaldocidadao.pt /web/instituto-dos-registos-e-
> do-notariado/registo-civil-cer tidao-de-nascimento
> 
>
> Not sure of the years it covers. Also, I seem to remember that you
> need to be a Portuguese citizen to obtain a record.
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Joseph Mendonca <
> jemendonca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How does one go about ordering records from the Portuguese Civil
> Registry? Online or snail mail?
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translate Obit

2017-03-10 Thread Shirley Allegre 
It looks like 62 to me.
Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: Cheri Mello 
  To: Azores Genealogy 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translate Obit


  The double "s" looks like our handwritten "fs". The handwriting looks like: 
sefsenta. You can see how the "t" is crossed at the end of the word. 


  I've given you the clues, now I'm going to let you take a guess.  Cheri



  Cheri Mello
  Listowner, Azores-Gen
  Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


  On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Elizabeth Migliori  
wrote:


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P56.html


Antonio # 7 left side 

can someone tell me how old he is.  I can't tell if that's Sessenta or 
Setenta


thx

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] another marriage trans

2017-03-10 Thread Shirley Allegre 
This is what I see:
Antonio
(Manoel Silveira Goularte? X Rosa Maria, dec.)
SPOUSE
Sra (Senhorina?) 
(Vicente Furtado, dec. X  ??? (I DON'T SEE A MOTHER LISTED.)
Shirley in CA
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  From: Elizabeth Migliori 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 7:31 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] another marriage trans


  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1772-1808/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1772-1808_item1/P134.html


  Bottom right Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa

  Nov 5 1807 I think.


  Antonio Silveira son of ? and Rosa Maria

  Maria daughter of ??

  does it say how old they were.


  thx

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

2017-03-10 Thread Mary Jane Goss 
Information from a death certificate in Falmouth Mass shows Rose E. Silvia died 
June 6, 1933 age 68 years 7 months 18 days.  It also says her parents names 
were Manuel Silvia, from St. Mathews, Pico, and mother Anna Marcia  from St. 
Mathews, Pico.  She was the wife of Joseph Silvia who predeceased her in 1926.


Where might St. Mathews be? Is there a city on the island of Pico named St. 
Mathews?  Also I am confused by the information because Silvia was her 
husband's name.  Family lore says her maiden name was Bettencourt or some 
variation there of.  The census information we have says  Jan 1863 was the 
Month and Date of her birth but it doesn't seem to be working with the info on 
the death certificate.


We know this is the right woman because the informant was her daughter.  Her 
husband's name was reported as Joseph, but it appears it may have been John 
Joseph Sylia.  The tombstones say Sylva.


Joseph Sylvia died May 28, 1926 at age 55.  The parents names say  "Cannot be 
learned" but do say he was born in Portugal.


I do not know if I have enough information yet to start looking at records on 
Pico.  Any insight is appreciated.


Mary Jane

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

2017-03-10 Thread Cheri Mello 
Mary Jane,

The map of Pico is here. St. Mathew's is an English translation. I'm going
to let you look at the map and see if you can figure it out:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/pico.html

Assuming "Rose" was born on Pico, look for a Rosa (or maybe Maria) born
around her birthdate to parents named Manoel Silva (or Sylva) and Anna
Maria (I'm guessing that's a typo you made). Only then will you be able to
confirm or deny the family lore of Bettencourt.
Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Baptismos - Graciosa

2017-03-10 Thread Lee 
Can some please help with the record of Maria (left side, middle - 1737 
written above her name)?

She is the daughter of Manoel de Conde Sodre of the Parish of Luz and of 
Maria de Bettencourt  of the Ilha da Suppne??? (Wrong, I know) and fregusia 
da Guill?? (Guadalupe?)

I cannot make this out.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1728-1742/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1728-1742_item1/P61.html

Or; do I have it totally wrong and they are both from Luz?

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance.

Lee Estep
Oak Hill WV


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

2017-03-10 Thread Mary Jane Goss 
Thank you Cheri. Is San Mateus a good fit?



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From: Cheri Mello 
Date: 3/10/17 7:42 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico 
born approx 1863

Mary Jane,

The map of Pico is here. St. Mathew's is an English translation. I'm going to 
let you look at the map and see if you can figure it out:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/pico.html

Assuming "Rose" was born on Pico, look for a Rosa (or maybe Maria) born around 
her birthdate to parents named Manoel Silva (or Sylva) and Anna Maria (I'm 
guessing that's a typo you made). Only then will you be able to confirm or deny 
the family lore of Bettencourt.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

2017-03-10 Thread Cheri Mello 
Yes, Sao Mateus would translate to St. Matthew in English, so you got it!

Now to start wading through the time period looking for babies born to your
couple!

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Mary Jane Goss 
wrote:

> Thank you Cheri. Is San Mateus a good fit?
>
>
>
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>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Cheri Mello 
> Date: 3/10/17 7:42 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Azores Genealogy 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of
> Pico born approx 1863
>
> Mary Jane,
>
> The map of Pico is here. St. Mathew's is an English translation. I'm going
> to let you look at the map and see if you can figure it out:
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/maps-churches-and-
> villages/pico.html
>
> Assuming "Rose" was born on Pico, look for a Rosa (or maybe Maria) born
> around her birthdate to parents named Manoel Silva (or Sylva) and Anna
> Maria (I'm guessing that's a typo you made). Only then will you be able to
> confirm or deny the family lore of Bettencourt.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Baptismos - Graciosa

2017-03-10 Thread Cheri Mello 
His name, her name naturais, elle deste parochial de N. Sn.ra de Luz eella
(should be e ella)
da parochial da N. Sn.ra da Gua da lupe.  Looks like he's spaced out
Guadalupe to me.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Lee  wrote:

> Can some please help with the record of Maria (left side, middle - 1737
> written above her name)?
>
> She is the daughter of Manoel de Conde Sodre of the Parish of Luz and of
> Maria de Bettencourt  of the Ilha da Suppne??? (Wrong, I know) and fregusia
> da Guill?? (Guadalupe?)
>
> I cannot make this out.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-
> SC-LUZ-B-1728-1742/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1728-1742_item1/P61.html
>
> Or; do I have it totally wrong and they are both from Luz?
>
> Any help greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Lee Estep
> Oak Hill WV
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

2017-03-10 Thread 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
Mary Jane,

It's highly doubtful that you'd find Silvia as a surname. More likely it would 
be Silva or Silveira. Both appear in the Sao Mateus records. 

Gayle



> On Mar 10, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Mary Jane Goss  wrote:
> 
> Information from a death certificate in Falmouth Mass shows Rose E. Silvia 
> died June 6, 1933 age 68 years 7 months 18 days.  It also says her parents 
> names were Manuel Silvia, from St. Mathews, Pico, and mother Anna Marcia  
> from St. Mathews, Pico.  She was the wife of Joseph Silvia who predeceased 
> her in 1926.
> 
> 
> Where might St. Mathews be? Is there a city on the island of Pico named St. 
> Mathews?  Also I am confused by the information because Silvia was her 
> husband's name.  Family lore says her maiden name was Bettencourt or some 
> variation there of.  The census information we have says  Jan 1863 was the 
> Month and Date of her birth but it doesn't seem to be working with the info 
> on the death certificate.  
> 
> 
> We know this is the right woman because the informant was her daughter.  Her 
> husband's name was reported as Joseph, but it appears it may have been John 
> Joseph Sylia.  The tombstones say Sylva.
> 
> 
> Joseph Sylvia died May 28, 1926 at age 55.  The parents names say  "Cannot be 
> learned" but do say he was born in Portugal.  
> 
> 
> I do not know if I have enough information yet to start looking at records on 
> Pico.  Any insight is appreciated.
> 
> 
> Mary Jane
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