Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: [IslandRoutes] RE: [PT-MADEIRA] New Ethnicity Estimates for Family Tree DNA

[MaryAnn Santos]

Hi Donald,

I've run into something similar. I'm convinced something went awry with the
new system FTDNA used. I hope they correct it.

MaryAnn

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Yeah, it looks like the geneticists children programmed the estimates.
> From what I hear, *many* people are not happy and find them even less
> accurate than before.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Donald Rodrigues 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> FamilyTreeDNA ethnicity estimates follow. My paternal grandmother was
>> Portuguese, born on Madeira; as were her parents and her parent’s
>> parents. The family was dirt poor and lived for generations in a remote
>> hamlet in the countryside, seemingly far away from the influence of
>> outsiders . My paternal grandfather was the son of a Spaniard from the
>> Canary Islands. His wife, my great grandmother, was a Portuguese woman from
>> Madeira, whose family similarly originated from a remote hamlet where
>> her ancestors had lived for generations. One would think that these
>> folks would contribute at least some percentage of Spanish/Portuguese 
>> ancestry,
>> yet the Ethnicity estimate shows ZERO Iberian ancestry. It’s hard to
>> make sense of this!
>>
>> Donald Rodrigues
>>
>> Old FTDNA Ethnicity EstimateNew FTDNA
>> Ethnicity Estimate
>>
>> European99 * European   *
>> 90
>>
>> Southern Europe 48  Iberia
>> 0
>>
>> Western & Central Europe36
>> Western & Central Europe76
>>
>> British Isles   8   British Isles
>> 14
>>
>> Finland & Northern Siberia  4
>> Finland < 2
>>
>> Eastern Europe  3   Eastern Europe
>> 0
>>
>> South East Europe
>> < 2
>>
>>* Middle Eastern *
>> 5
>>
>> North African
>> 5
>>
>> West Middle East
>> < 2
>>
>> African 2  * African* 0
>>
>> West Africa 2   West Africa
>> < 2
>>
>> South Central Africa
>> < 2
>>
>> East Central Africa
>> 0
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: PRT-MADEIRA [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces+dr
>> odrigues=pacbell@rootsweb.com
>> ] On Behalf Of
>> Cheri Mello
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 7:47 AM
>> To: Azores Genealogy; prt-made...@rootsweb.com;
>> islandrou...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] New Ethnicity Estimates for Family Tree DNA
>>
>> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes)
>>
>> For those who have tested with Family Tree DNA (FTDNA), it appears that
>> they have released their new ethnicity ESTIMATES. This is version 3 of this
>> interesting tool.
>>
>> Since it's brand new, I'll just start with looking at my family. The
>> Portuguese was clustered into Southern Europe, a big purple swath from
>> Portugal to Spain to Italy then Greece. Good news! They've split the
>> western part (Spain and Portugal) into Iberian and the eastern part (Italy
>> and Greece) into Southeast Europe. My dad, 50% Portuguese is now 12%
>> Iberian and 13% Southeast Europe! His British Isles (the other 50%) is
>> gone! I guess the key word is they are still ESTIMATES.
>>
>> It'll be interesting to see what others get! Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA
>> Admin (volunteer) Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>
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>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955)

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Congratulations. That is the link you needed. There are still questions that 
need to be figured out. This passport record states she is married  so her 
marriage must have been in Ribeirinha Unfortunately the records after 1905 are 
not posted on the CCA. The passport record is very hard to read Margaret is a 
wizard a reading the hardest of records. I was wondering who the person is 
above her is? He/She is also from Ribeirinha? This writing is hard to read I 
can only make the person’s fathers name Jose Pacheco.

 

Here is the marriage of Lucinda’s parents Miguel de Arruda and Maria Julia 
Ferreira: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P78.html
 You have a dead end with Miguel de Arruda as he is an exposto.

 

Rick

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:45 AM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955)

 

 

It looks like you found your Lucinda. The birth record for 1881 is the correct 
person the father is Miguel de Arruda and the mother is Maria Julia Ferreira.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P60.html

 

Going to America in 1911.  Her age at the time was 29 and she was Married.  The 
writing is very tiny but readable.  Please see # 484

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1910-1911/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1910-1911_item1/P81.html

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 10:41 PM, JR  wrote:

Although, you specified Ribeirinha, you should know Aveiro's can be found in 
Ribeira Seca, which like Ribeirinha can be found in Ribeira Grande. The point 
is, sometimes people moved around even though they would list only one 
freguesia as their native place.  Your Lucinda may be in one of the four or 
five freguesias around Ribeira Grande.

 

JR


On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 10:10:46 PM UTC-4, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:

I searched the obits and did not find anything on this Lucinda. So I would put 
her in the mix. The problem I see is this would put her age off from the 1920 
census which says she was 37. This would make her 39 off by two years, not 
necessarily a deal breaker but enough to try and find more evidence. What is 
the complete snippit with the three names? Can you link the whole thing? The 
problem with that is the name is Manuel instead of Miguel as on this latest 
Lucinda record.

 

Rick

 

From: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheryle Dougherty
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 5:35 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955)

 

Richard look on your baptism data base and look at 1881 #16.  There is a 
Lucinda with parents Miguel Arruda and Maria Julia Feriera.  I haven't figured 
out the rest yet.

 

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

Ok I did a search of the obits 1883 through 1887 and found the deaths of two of 
the Lucinda’s, That leaves one born on 3 Feb 1884 daughter of Francisco Jose 
Raposo and Rosa de Jesus. (CCA 1884 #0010)

Rick

 

From: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:14 AM


To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955)

 

To add to all this confusion here is another Lucinda born 21 May 1883:   
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P142.html
   This record was just a page before the record of Honero. I will note in all 
three of the Lucinca’s there are no margin notes on the records. The next step 
is to check Obitos. And see if I can find any deaths to try and eliminate any 
of them.  Of all three I like this one born in 1883 the best. Somehow I feel 
uncomfortable about this Manuel Arruda being the father.  

 

I have a very large data base coming from Ribeirinha and there is only one 
Manuel Arruda that married and is about the right age but looking at all the 
births in 1883 and 1884 they did not have any girls born to this couple.

 

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

 

From: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
Francis Pimentel
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 11:46 PM
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955)

 

Ok I am confused. Most ship logs I have seen it just names the passenger not 
the names of the parents (unless they are also passengers).

 

I looked at the 1920 US census earlier today and it says that Honerio came to 
the US in 1908 and Lucinda came in 1912.  Is there a way you can show the 
complete recor

[AZORES-Genealogy] New Ethnicity Estimates for Family Tree DNA

[Herb]

Cheri I checked mine. I am now 51% Iberian and 12% British Isles and 8% Western 
and Central  Europe. Also looks like I picked up some Jewish DNA with these new 
estimates, 4% Sephardic Jew. It will be interesting to see the estimates in 20 
years. By then I think we will really know with a high degree of certainty. 
Like Mary Ann my family lived in Sao Miguel for 500 plus years. I was born 
there. Not sure these or the previous results are clear and precise but it is 
all very interesting isn't it? And like you said a lot depends on the control 
groups. I doubt actual Azoreans were part of the control group. Herb

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Ethnicity Estimates for Family Tree DNA

[Cheri Mello]

Yeah, this type part of DNA has only been around about 7 years, so it's
still developing. Yeah, maybe another 20 years and it will be more precise!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Herb  wrote:

> Cheri I checked mine. I am now 51% Iberian and 12% British Isles and 8%
> Western and Central  Europe. Also looks like I picked up some Jewish DNA
> with these new estimates, 4% Sephardic Jew. It will be interesting to see
> the estimates in 20 years. By then I think we will really know with a high
> degree of certainty. Like Mary Ann my family lived in Sao Miguel for 500
> plus years. I was born there. Not sure these or the previous results are
> clear and precise but it is all very interesting isn't it? And like you
> said a lot depends on the control groups. I doubt actual Azoreans were part
> of the control group. Herb
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Ethnicity Estimates for Family Tree DNA

[MaryAnn Santos]

I hate to sound like a broken record but I cannot believe that I have zero
Iberian DNA while my niece  is 25% Iberian with a father has none.

MaryAnn

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Herb  wrote:

> Cheri I checked mine. I am now 51% Iberian and 12% British Isles and 8%
> Western and Central  Europe. Also looks like I picked up some Jewish DNA
> with these new estimates, 4% Sephardic Jew. It will be interesting to see
> the estimates in 20 years. By then I think we will really know with a high
> degree of certainty. Like Mary Ann my family lived in Sao Miguel for 500
> plus years. I was born there. Not sure these or the previous results are
> clear and precise but it is all very interesting isn't it? And like you
> said a lot depends on the control groups. I doubt actual Azoreans were part
> of the control group. Herb
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Ethnicity Estimates for Family Tree DNA

['Julie Marsh' via Azores Genealogy]

Who is this DNA test through? I have been think about 23andme. And at when I am 
able ancestry only for the family connection part to see if I can find my dads 
family. 

Julzz

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> On Apr 5, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, this type part of DNA has only been around about 7 years, so it's still 
> developing. Yeah, maybe another 20 years and it will be more precise!
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Herb  wrote:
>> Cheri I checked mine. I am now 51% Iberian and 12% British Isles and 8% 
>> Western and Central  Europe. Also looks like I picked up some Jewish DNA 
>> with these new estimates, 4% Sephardic Jew. It will be interesting to see 
>> the estimates in 20 years. By then I think we will really know with a high 
>> degree of certainty. Like Mary Ann my family lived in Sao Miguel for 500 
>> plus years. I was born there. Not sure these or the previous results are 
>> clear and precise but it is all very interesting isn't it? And like you said 
>> a lot depends on the control groups. I doubt actual Azoreans were part of 
>> the control group. Herb
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Ethnicity Estimates for Family Tree DNA

['Lisa' via Azores Genealogy]

I might be the only happy one on this list.  I went from about 12% Iberian to 
64%!  

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> On Apr 5, 2017, at 11:12 AM, 'Julie Marsh' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Who is this DNA test through? I have been think about 23andme. And at when I 
> am able ancestry only for the family connection part to see if I can find my 
> dads family. 
> 
> Julzz
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, this type part of DNA has only been around about 7 years, so it's 
>> still developing. Yeah, maybe another 20 years and it will be more precise!
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Herb  wrote:
>>> Cheri I checked mine. I am now 51% Iberian and 12% British Isles and 8% 
>>> Western and Central  Europe. Also looks like I picked up some Jewish DNA 
>>> with these new estimates, 4% Sephardic Jew. It will be interesting to see 
>>> the estimates in 20 years. By then I think we will really know with a high 
>>> degree of certainty. Like Mary Ann my family lived in Sao Miguel for 500 
>>> plus years. I was born there. Not sure these or the previous results are 
>>> clear and precise but it is all very interesting isn't it? And like you 
>>> said a lot depends on the control groups. I doubt actual Azoreans were part 
>>> of the control group. Herb
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Ethnicity Estimates for Family Tree DNA

['Lisa' via Azores Genealogy]

Oh wait.  My father's family forever is from Azores.  No Portuguese on my 
mother's side at all.  64%?  So I checked my uncle's results (father's brother, 
completely Portuguese) and his new results show 51% Iberia.  

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> On Apr 5, 2017, at 2:08 PM, 'Lisa' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> I might be the only happy one on this list.  I went from about 12% Iberian to 
> 64%!  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2017, at 11:12 AM, 'Julie Marsh' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Who is this DNA test through? I have been think about 23andme. And at when I 
>> am able ancestry only for the family connection part to see if I can find my 
>> dads family. 
>> 
>> Julzz
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, this type part of DNA has only been around about 7 years, so it's 
>>> still developing. Yeah, maybe another 20 years and it will be more precise!
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
 On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Herb  wrote:
 Cheri I checked mine. I am now 51% Iberian and 12% British Isles and 8% 
 Western and Central  Europe. Also looks like I picked up some Jewish DNA 
 with these new estimates, 4% Sephardic Jew. It will be interesting to see 
 the estimates in 20 years. By then I think we will really know with a high 
 degree of certainty. Like Mary Ann my family lived in Sao Miguel for 500 
 plus years. I was born there. Not sure these or the previous results are 
 clear and precise but it is all very interesting isn't it? And like you 
 said a lot depends on the control groups. I doubt actual Azoreans were 
 part of the control group. Herb
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Ethnicity Estimates for Family Tree DNA

[Cheri Mello]

Julie M,

The 3 major DNA testing companies are AncestryDNA, 23andMe, and Family Tree
DNA. My Heritage is a newcomer to the DNA scene.

23andMe was founded more for medical. Most people there don't bother with
us genealogists.

AncestryDNA has removed about 48% of the family markers and replaced them
with health. They strip your name and then sell your DNA to big
pharmaceutical for a reported $750. So read their Terms & Conditions
carefully (Big Pharma can pay ME $750, thank you).

The chip that FTDNA uses does have the health on it, but FTDNA does nothing
with it. But it's in your raw data file.

If you are searching for your paternal side, you may need to test with more
than one company. I would suggest a company that deals with genealogy
(Family Tree DNA and probably AncestryDNA if you want to agree to their
terms).

If you want the health stuff, you can just download your raw file from
either company and upload it to Promethease.com and get your report for $5.
You can pay for interpretation - $50 on up. I think Ann Turner may do this
(she's a retired M.D. and one of the authors of "Trace Your Roots with
DNA.")

If you want ethnicity estimates only (and yes, they are estimates) it's
looks like FTDNA's is ka-phooey and you'd need to look at 23andMe and
AncestryDNA or both. They each have their own population samples that they
will compare you against so you will get different percentages at each
company.

Cheri

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On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:12 AM, 'Julie Marsh' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Who is this DNA test through? I have been think about 23andme. And at when
> I am able ancestry only for the family connection part to see if I can find
> my dads family.
>
> Julzz
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 5, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Yeah, this type part of DNA has only been around about 7 years, so it's
> still developing. Yeah, maybe another 20 years and it will be more precise!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Herb  wrote:
>
>> Cheri I checked mine. I am now 51% Iberian and 12% British Isles and 8%
>> Western and Central  Europe. Also looks like I picked up some Jewish DNA
>> with these new estimates, 4% Sephardic Jew. It will be interesting to see
>> the estimates in 20 years. By then I think we will really know with a high
>> degree of certainty. Like Mary Ann my family lived in Sao Miguel for 500
>> plus years. I was born there. Not sure these or the previous results are
>> clear and precise but it is all very interesting isn't it? And like you
>> said a lot depends on the control groups. I doubt actual Azoreans were part
>> of the control group. Herb
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Ethnicity Estimates for Family Tree DNA

[Elaine Mello]

Looking at this, it actually makes sense for me - to be honest, I don't 
remember what it used to look like, but I am 50/50 Portuguese/Irish, and 
the mapping comes pretty darn close to that:






The Middle Eastern traces are Turkey with Tunisia for North Africa and 
Tanzania for East Central - all port areas, which makes sense for roving 
fishermen to sow their wild oats.  British Isles is all pure Co. Cork Irish 
from that side of the family with the Iberian coming all from the Azores. 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Ethnicity Estimates for Family Tree DNA

[Sandra Perez]

Hello Herb!

  Just wanted say Hi!  I haven't been posting lately (still watching).  I
haven't checked mine yet--I am guessing I
may have some surprises.  Hope you and your family are doing well.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Herb  wrote:

> Cheri I checked mine. I am now 51% Iberian and 12% British Isles and 8%
> Western and Central  Europe. Also looks like I picked up some Jewish DNA
> with these new estimates, 4% Sephardic Jew. It will be interesting to see
> the estimates in 20 years. By then I think we will really know with a high
> degree of certainty. Like Mary Ann my family lived in Sao Miguel for 500
> plus years. I was born there. Not sure these or the previous results are
> clear and precise but it is all very interesting isn't it? And like you
> said a lot depends on the control groups. I doubt actual Azoreans were part
> of the control group. Herb
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Records for Sete Cidades, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel

[vroque]

>
> I have had no luck finding information records for Sao Nicolau. Does 
> anyone know where I can find this. I have looked on the CCA but the church 
> is not listed. 
>

Thanks

Vanessa 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Passport Translation Please

[Sami]

Could someone please translate what information is given for the first 
passenger on the page, Jose De Vargas Dias? I am particularly interested in 
the section where it lists who he is traveling with. It may be his children 
and if I can get their names it will greatly help me determine if I have 
the right person. His marital status is widowed, yes? Does the entry say 
when they left or what ship they went on? If not, is there a way to find 
out? Also, what is said at the very end of the entry? Thanks in advance for 
any help!  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1867-1876/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1867-1876_item1/P18.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Ethnicity Estimates for Family Tree DNA

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Elaine,

I'm glad it works for someone!

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Elaine Mello  wrote:

> Looking at this, it actually makes sense for me - to be honest, I don't
> remember what it used to look like, but I am 50/50 Portuguese/Irish, and
> the mapping comes pretty darn close to that:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Middle Eastern traces are Turkey with Tunisia for North Africa and
> Tanzania for East Central - all port areas, which makes sense for roving
> fishermen to sow their wild oats.  British Isles is all pure Co. Cork Irish
> from that side of the family with the Iberian coming all from the Azores.
>
> Elaine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Records for Sete Cidades, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel

[Cheri Mello]

Ginetes, maybe Mosteiros.

Cheri Mello
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On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 2:18 PM, vroque  wrote:

> I have had no luck finding information records for Sao Nicolau. Does
>> anyone know where I can find this. I have looked on the CCA but the church
>> is not listed.
>>
>
> Thanks
>
> Vanessa
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Records for Sete Cidades, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel

[Cheri Mello]

Unless you are talking about the island of Sao Nicolau. That's not one of
the Azores, that's one of the Cape Verde islands. Some of their records are
online at Family Search.org. If not, you will have to go to your local FHC
and order the film.
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=1007516&query=%2Bplace%3A%22Cape%20Verde%20Islands%2C%20S%C3%A3o%20Nicolau%22

Good luck, Cheri

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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Ginetes, maybe Mosteiros.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 2:18 PM, vroque  wrote:
>
>> I have had no luck finding information records for Sao Nicolau. Does
>>> anyone know where I can find this. I have looked on the CCA but the church
>>> is not listed.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Vanessa
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport Translation Please

[Cheri Mello]

Registered 16 June 1868, Jose de Vargas Dias, widower, proprietor, 57 years
old, 1.71 meters tall, then it describes face, nose, eyes, hair
etcDestination United States, accompanied by his family something 6
persons, Rosa Augusta 18 years, Maria Madalena 25 years, Maria da Gloria
(?) 20 years, Sofia?? (can't tell really) 15 years, Felicianna 13 years,
and then it almost looks like escravo (slave) Joseph?? I can't tell on that
at all. They are from Faial, council of Horta, freguesia of Feteira. The
last column is the ship. It doesn't say when it left, but it says the name.
I can only read part of the name. It has Gloria in the name.

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Sami  wrote:

> Could someone please translate what information is given for the first
> passenger on the page, Jose De Vargas Dias? I am particularly interested in
> the section where it lists who he is traveling with. It may be his children
> and if I can get their names it will greatly help me determine if I have
> the right person. His marital status is widowed, yes? Does the entry say
> when they left or what ship they went on? If not, is there a way to find
> out? Also, what is said at the very end of the entry? Thanks in advance for
> any help!  http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
> PASSAPORTES-FAL-1867-1876/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1867-1876_item1/P18.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Records for Sete Cidades, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel

[Margaret Vicente]

S. Nicolau in Sete Cidades, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Açores.



On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:16 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Unless you are talking about the island of Sao Nicolau. That's not one of
> the Azores, that's one of the Cape Verde islands. Some of their records are
> online at Family Search.org. If not, you will have to go to your local FHC
> and order the film.
> https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=
> 20&placeId=1007516&query=%2Bplace%3A%22Cape%20Verde%
> 20Islands%2C%20S%C3%A3o%20Nicolau%22
>
> Good luck, Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Ginetes, maybe Mosteiros.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 2:18 PM, vroque  wrote:
>>
>>> I have had no luck finding information records for Sao Nicolau. Does
 anyone know where I can find this. I have looked on the CCA but the church
 is not listed.

>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Vanessa
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport Translation Please

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

I think the ship is something Maria Gloria

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On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:26 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Registered 16 June 1868, Jose de Vargas Dias, widower, proprietor, 57
> years old, 1.71 meters tall, then it describes face, nose, eyes, hair
> etcDestination United States, accompanied by his family something 6
> persons, Rosa Augusta 18 years, Maria Madalena 25 years, Maria da Gloria
> (?) 20 years, Sofia?? (can't tell really) 15 years, Felicianna 13 years,
> and then it almost looks like escravo (slave) Joseph?? I can't tell on that
> at all. They are from Faial, council of Horta, freguesia of Feteira. The
> last column is the ship. It doesn't say when it left, but it says the name.
> I can only read part of the name. It has Gloria in the name.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Sami  wrote:
>
>> Could someone please translate what information is given for the first
>> passenger on the page, Jose De Vargas Dias? I am particularly interested in
>> the section where it lists who he is traveling with. It may be his children
>> and if I can get their names it will greatly help me determine if I have
>> the right person. His marital status is widowed, yes? Does the entry say
>> when they left or what ship they went on? If not, is there a way to find
>> out? Also, what is said at the very end of the entry? Thanks in advance for
>> any help!  http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAP
>> ORTES-FAL-1867-1876/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1867-1876_item1/P18.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Records for Sete Cidades, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel

[Cheri Mello]

OK, thanks!

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> S. Nicolau in Sete Cidades, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Açores.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:16 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Unless you are talking about the island of Sao Nicolau. That's not one of
>> the Azores, that's one of the Cape Verde islands. Some of their records are
>> online at Family Search.org. If not, you will have to go to your local FHC
>> and order the film.
>> https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&;
>> placeId=1007516&query=%2Bplace%3A%22Cape%20Verde%20Islands%
>> 2C%20S%C3%A3o%20Nicolau%22
>>
>> Good luck, Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Ginetes, maybe Mosteiros.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 2:18 PM, vroque  wrote:
>>>
 I have had no luck finding information records for Sao Nicolau. Does
> anyone know where I can find this. I have looked on the CCA but the church
> is not listed.
>

 Thanks

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Azevedos middle name

[Louie Avila]

For the life of me ... I've never seen an abbreviation like this one ...

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849_item1/P33.html

Top right side.

Jose de ??? d' Azevedo.

Rosemarie, Cheri, somebody? Help please.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Azevedos middle name

[Cheri Mello]

I think it might be Bettencourt, but I've never seen it abbreviated that
way.

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Louie Avila 
wrote:

> For the life of me ... I've never seen an abbreviation like this one ...
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849_item1/P33.html
>
> Top right side.
>
> Jose de ??? d' Azevedo.
>
> Rosemarie, Cheri, somebody? Help please.
>
> Louie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Azevedos middle name

[Mary Bordi]

My guess is Bettencourt also. Look at his father's name on the line below.

Jose de Bettencourt de Azevedo, legitimate son of Jose de Azevedo de
Bettencourt.

I see the father and mother in my database since they are from Norte
Grande. I think one of their other children married into my family.

Mary

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:27 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I think it might be Bettencourt, but I've never seen it abbreviated that
> way.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Louie Avila 
> wrote:
>
> For the life of me ... I've never seen an abbreviation like this one ...
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849_item1/P33.html
>
> Top right side.
>
> Jose de ??? d' Azevedo.
>
> Rosemarie, Cheri, somebody? Help please.
>
> Louie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Azevedos middle name

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Louis, I'm in  agreement that it's Bettencourt. The Priests in Norte Grande
abbreviate it so many different ways that's it's hard to tell sometimes
what they are doing with that poor name!

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> For the life of me ... I've never seen an abbreviation like this one ...
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849_item1/P33.html
>
> Top right side.
>
> Jose de ??? d' Azevedo.
>
> Rosemarie, Cheri, somebody? Help please.
>
> Louie
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Azevedos middle name

[Louie Avila]

Thanks gang!
That one threw me for a loop!

Then its not my guy ... :'(

Louie


On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 9:23:17 PM UTC-7, Louie Avila wrote:
>
> For the life of me ... I've never seen an abbreviation like this one ...
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1822-1849_item1/P33.html
>
> Top right side.
>
> Jose de ??? d' Azevedo.
>
> Rosemarie, Cheri, somebody? Help please.
>
> Louie
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