Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Matriz are now noted on the Azores GenWeb

[Cheri Mello]

Each council (county) has one Matriz or Mother Church. Some large concelhos
(councils) have 2 (that's only on Sao Miguel island though).

Santa Maria = 1
Sao Miguel = 8
Terceira = 2 (sorta - one is really the Cathedral or the Diocese seat)
Graciosa = 1
Sao Jorge = 2
Pico = 3
Faial = 1
Flores = 2
Corvo = 0

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:40 PM, JR  wrote:

> The main or mother church of a particular freguesia.
>
> JR
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 10:34:08 PM UTC-4, Elaine Mello wrote:
>>
>> For those of you not so well educated, what is Matrix?
>>
>> Elaine
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Matriz are now noted on the Azores GenWeb

[JR]

The main or mother church of a particular freguesia.

JR

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 10:34:08 PM UTC-4, Elaine Mello wrote:
>
> For those of you not so well educated, what is Matrix?
>
> Elaine 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Matriz are now noted on the Azores GenWeb

[Elaine Mello]

For those of you not so well educated, what is Matrix?

Elaine 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Wording in baptism Ribeirinha, SM 1873

[JR]

Perhaps you are right. But it is strange that in Emilia's baptism of 1873 
the priest says Antonio da Silva parents are also Incognitos and that 
Helena Rosa is viuva. But if she was married to Antonio Silva who died in 
1874 after Emilia was born, why would priest say she is viuva in the 1873 
baptism? It may just be a mix up.

I will send you what I have.

JR

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 2:06:37 PM UTC-4, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:
>
> *This baptism is a little unusual and I am not sure of it the wording on 
> the parentage is confusing I think it reads  “legitimate daughter of 
> unknown natural daughter of Antonio da Silva Canerio and Helena Rosa”*
>
>  
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
>  
> 
>   
> #44 right side. *
>
>  
>
> *Emilia marries in 1895 here #11 left side 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
>  
> 
>   
> her only parent named is Helena Rosa and as Filha natural.  I think there 
> was some confusion as to just who the father was. To add to the confusion I 
> have a Antonio da Silva Canerio married to Helena 1854 and a half a dozen 
> kids before this one Antonio died before 1876 when Helena remarried.*
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>  
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>  
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Wording in baptism Ribeirinha, SM 1873

[JR]

Perhaps you are right. But it is strange that in Emilia's baptism of 1873 
the priest says Antonio da Silva parents are also Incognitos and that 
Helena Rosa is viuva. But if she was married to Antonio Silva who died in 
1874 after Emilia was born, why would priest say she is viuva in the 1873 
marriage? It just be a mix up.

I will send you what I have.

JR

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 7:57:31 PM UTC-4, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:
>
> *JR,*
>
> *I am treading lightly on this one. I have Antonio da Silva Canario born 
> sometime before 1809 marring Francisca de Jesus. I have found five children 
> born between 1837 and 1849 Francisca died before 18 Oct 1854 when he 
> married Helena de Jesus (Helena Rosa). They have three children born 
> between 1859 and 1867, Maria, Maria, and Jose. Then in 1873 this Emilia is 
> born We know this is the same couple because the priest started to write 
> filha legitima digo filha natural Antonio da Silva and Helena Rosa. So the 
> question is how can Emilia be filha natural when the two people he named 
> are married? I suspect that Antonio da Silva figured out that he was too 
> old or could not have fathered another child and told the priest. He died 
> in 1874 at age 70 more or less in the hospital in Ribeira Grande. Helena 
> Rosa/Helena de Jesus remarried in 1876 to Jose da Costa Pragana.*
>
> *I  there was not another Antonio da Silva Canario in Ribeirinha during 
> this time period especially one married to a Helena de Jesus/Helena Rosa*
>
>  
>
> *If you need what I have I can provide it along with the sources*
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
>  
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *JR
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Wording in baptism Ribeirinha, SM 1873
>
>  
>
> I have this person in my database from when I helped someone in Brazil dig 
> up their Canario ancestors.  Note the spelling is Canario with two a's and 
> the bird canary. This Antonio Silva possibly married three times. And there 
> is likely two or three such individuals with the same name about the same 
> time. So this may cause confusion.
>
>  
>
> Emilia da Paixao is 22 years old, single natural desta freguesia and is 
> filha natural de Helena Rosa, who is also natural of Ribeirinha. So Helena 
> Rosa had Maria out of wedlock and the father is presumably unknown, though 
> he may have come forward at a later time. 
>
>  
>
> JR
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 2:06:37 PM UTC-4, Richard Francis Pimentel 
> wrote:
>
> *This baptism is a little unusual and I am not sure of it the wording on 
> the parentage is confusing I think it reads  “legitimate daughter of 
> unknown natural daughter of Antonio da Silva Canerio and Helena Rosa”*
>
>  
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
>  
> 
>   
> #44 right side. *
>
>  
>
> *Emilia marries in 1895 here #11 left side 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
>  
> 
>   
> her only parent named is Helena Rosa and as Filha natural.  I think there 
> was some confusion as to just who the father was. To add to the confusion I 
> have a Antonio da Silva Canerio married to Helena 1854 and a half a dozen 
> kids before this one Antonio died before 1876 when Helena remarried.*
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>  
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Matriz are now noted on the Azores GenWeb

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

It's very helpful on Sao Miguel especially,it's so darn big!

Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:

> My pleasure! I’m glad it’s so helpful.
>
> Kathy
>
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
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>
> Climb my Family Tree:
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>
>
> On May 17, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Cheri and thank you so much Kathy!! It really helps when you are
> teaching someone about their Island to know for sure which churches are the
> Matriz.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Kathy Cardoza, web master of the Azores GenWeb noted which churches are
>> Matriz'.
>>
>> You can go to the Azores GenWeb, Maps, Churches, and Villages section
>> here:
>> https://goo.gl/EvsfkI
>>
>> You can pick your island by pointing at "Maps, Churches, and Villages" or
>> by selecting from the list she provided below the map on that page.
>>
>> You can do a Ctrl+F (or Command+F for Macs) and type: Matriz
>> to find the Matriz that are listed (F means Find. It's a useful keyboard
>> shortcut to find something on a page. You may also locate the Find command
>> under "Edit" if you have your Menu bar displayed in your browser or by
>> clicking the Menu button in your browser).
>>
>> A big thank you to Kathy for finding the time to do this for us! Obrigada
>> Kathy!
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Wording in baptism Ribeirinha, SM 1873

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

JR,

I am treading lightly on this one. I have Antonio da Silva Canario born 
sometime before 1809 marring Francisca de Jesus. I have found five children 
born between 1837 and 1849 Francisca died before 18 Oct 1854 when he married 
Helena de Jesus (Helena Rosa). They have three children born between 1859 and 
1867, Maria, Maria, and Jose. Then in 1873 this Emilia is born We know this is 
the same couple because the priest started to write filha legitima digo filha 
natural Antonio da Silva and Helena Rosa. So the question is how can Emilia be 
filha natural when the two people he named are married? I suspect that Antonio 
da Silva figured out that he was too old or could not have fathered another 
child and told the priest. He died in 1874 at age 70 more or less in the 
hospital in Ribeira Grande. Helena Rosa/Helena de Jesus remarried in 1876 to 
Jose da Costa Pragana.

I  there was not another Antonio da Silva Canario in Ribeirinha during this 
time period especially one married to a Helena de Jesus/Helena Rosa

 

If you need what I have I can provide it along with the sources

 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JR
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 6:39 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Wording in baptism Ribeirinha, SM 1873

 

I have this person in my database from when I helped someone in Brazil dig up 
their Canario ancestors.  Note the spelling is Canario with two a's and the 
bird canary. This Antonio Silva possibly married three times. And there is 
likely two or three such individuals with the same name about the same time. So 
this may cause confusion.

 

Emilia da Paixao is 22 years old, single natural desta freguesia and is filha 
natural de Helena Rosa, who is also natural of Ribeirinha. So Helena Rosa had 
Maria out of wedlock and the father is presumably unknown, though he may have 
come forward at a later time. 

 

JR

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 2:06:37 PM UTC-4, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:

This baptism is a little unusual and I am not sure of it the wording on the 
parentage is confusing I think it reads  “legitimate daughter of unknown 
natural daughter of Antonio da Silva Canerio and Helena Rosa”

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
  #44 right side. 

 

Emilia marries in 1895 here #11 left side 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
  her only parent named is Helena Rosa and as Filha natural.  I think there was 
some confusion as to just who the father was. To add to the confusion I have a 
Antonio da Silva Canerio married to Helena 1854 and a half a dozen kids before 
this one Antonio died before 1876 when Helena remarried.

 

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Wording in baptism Ribeirinha, SM 1873

[JR]

Not sure about anything. There may be two women named Helena, [Helena Rosa 
and Helena Candida de Jesus] married to two Antonio da Silva Canario's. Or 
they are the same people. I am sure Richard has more information he can 
glean from the baptisms to connect all these people. Baptism of Emilia 
clearly states her parents were from Avos Incognitos, meaning that neither 
Antonio or Helena knew their parents. So this may be a totally unrelated 
Antonia da Silva Canario. The priest simply elected not to name the father 
when Emilia married.

JR 

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 7:26:40 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> So Helena Rosa lied to the priest anour the father of Emilia?
> On May 17, 2017 3:39 PM, "JR"  wrote:
>
>> I have this person in my database from when I helped someone in Brazil 
>> dig up their Canario ancestors.  Note the spelling is Canario with two a's 
>> and the bird canary. This Antonio Silva possibly married three times. And 
>> there is likely two or three such individuals with the same name about the 
>> same time. So this may cause confusion.
>>
>> Emilia da Paixao is 22 years old, single natural desta freguesia and is 
>> filha natural de Helena Rosa, who is also natural of Ribeirinha. So Helena 
>> Rosa had Maria out of wedlock and the father is presumably unknown, though 
>> he may have come forward at a later time. 
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 2:06:37 PM UTC-4, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> *This baptism is a little unusual and I am not sure of it the wording on 
>>> the parentage is confusing I think it reads  “legitimate daughter of 
>>> unknown natural daughter of Antonio da Silva Canerio and Helena Rosa”*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>>   
>>> #44 right side. *
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Emilia marries in 1895 here #11 left side 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>>   
>>> her only parent named is Helena Rosa and as Filha natural.  I think there 
>>> was some confusion as to just who the father was. To add to the confusion I 
>>> have a Antonio da Silva Canerio married to Helena 1854 and a half a dozen 
>>> kids before this one Antonio died before 1876 when Helena remarried.*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Rick*
>>>
>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>
>>> *Epping, NH*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Software and Genealogy survey

[Kellie Crnkovich]

Done :)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Wording in baptism Ribeirinha, SM 1873

[Cheri Mello]

So Helena Rosa lied to the priest anour the father of Emilia?
On May 17, 2017 3:39 PM, "JR"  wrote:

> I have this person in my database from when I helped someone in Brazil dig
> up their Canario ancestors.  Note the spelling is Canario with two a's and
> the bird canary. This Antonio Silva possibly married three times. And there
> is likely two or three such individuals with the same name about the same
> time. So this may cause confusion.
>
> Emilia da Paixao is 22 years old, single natural desta freguesia and is
> filha natural de Helena Rosa, who is also natural of Ribeirinha. So Helena
> Rosa had Maria out of wedlock and the father is presumably unknown, though
> he may have come forward at a later time.
>
> JR
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 2:06:37 PM UTC-4, Richard Francis Pimentel
> wrote:
>>
>> *This baptism is a little unusual and I am not sure of it the wording on
>> the parentage is confusing I think it reads  “legitimate daughter of
>> unknown natural daughter of Antonio da Silva Canerio and Helena Rosa”*
>>
>>
>>
>> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
>> 
>> #44 right side. *
>>
>>
>>
>> *Emilia marries in 1895 here #11 left side
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
>> 
>> her only parent named is Helena Rosa and as Filha natural.  I think there
>> was some confusion as to just who the father was. To add to the confusion I
>> have a Antonio da Silva Canerio married to Helena 1854 and a half a dozen
>> kids before this one Antonio died before 1876 when Helena remarried.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Matriz are now noted on the Azores GenWeb

[Kathy Cardoza]

My pleasure! I’m glad it’s so helpful.

Kathy

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> On May 17, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Cheri and thank you so much Kathy!! It really helps when you are 
> teaching someone about their Island to know for sure which churches are the 
> Matriz. 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello  > wrote:
> Kathy Cardoza, web master of the Azores GenWeb noted which churches are 
> Matriz'.
> 
> You can go to the Azores GenWeb, Maps, Churches, and Villages section here:
> https://goo.gl/EvsfkI 
> 
> You can pick your island by pointing at "Maps, Churches, and Villages" or by 
> selecting from the list she provided below the map on that page.
> 
> You can do a Ctrl+F (or Command+F for Macs) and type: Matriz
> to find the Matriz that are listed (F means Find. It's a useful keyboard 
> shortcut to find something on a page. You may also locate the Find command 
> under "Edit" if you have your Menu bar displayed in your browser or by 
> clicking the Menu button in your browser).
> 
> A big thank you to Kathy for finding the time to do this for us! Obrigada 
> Kathy!
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[JR]

Good for you Paul. And keep on going. Madeira has some interesting lines 
when you get way back.

JR

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 2:24:23 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
>
> THANK YOU ERICA You have helped knock down the brick wall that has 
> been holding me up on researching my paternal grandfather's family. I've 
> "literally" been pounding my head against this wall for 5 years now trying 
> to find the baptism records for my great grandfather and his siblings. I 
> *almost* cried when I viewed them.
>
> Paul G.
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 3:16:29 PM UTC-4, audiosourceinc wrote:
>>
>> Familysearch.com has just digitized almost all of their Madeira records. 
>>  You can access them through searching their "catalog". Type in the place 
>> "Madeira, Portugal" and "search".  Then choose the option of "church 
>> records - 50 items".  This will bring you to a list of all of the 
>> freguesias of Madeira.  Pick your freguesia and click on it. That will 
>> bring up a list of all the records they have.  If the icon to the right is 
>> a camera, then you can click on that link and look through them.  If the 
>> icon is a film reel, then those records are not uploaded to the internet 
>> yet and only available through ordering them directly. 
>> If you have any other questions, you can email me directly 
>>  audiosourceinc at qwestoffice.net 
>> Erica Botelho 
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Maria Lima 
>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:49 AM 
>> To: AZORES 
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research 
>>
>> A friend asked me for help on his wife's Madeira ancestry. I'd like to 
>> help with reading the records for them but I'm not sure the records are 
>> online like the Azores.  I'm not even sure yet if there's more than one 
>> island - sorry to admit in public - I'm just starting to explore how I can 
>> help them. 
>>
>> Is there an equivalent list for Madeira like this one? 
>>
>> Thanks, 
>>
>> Maria Elena 
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Wording in baptism Ribeirinha, SM 1873

[JR]

I have this person in my database from when I helped someone in Brazil dig 
up their Canario ancestors.  Note the spelling is Canario with two a's and 
the bird canary. This Antonio Silva possibly married three times. And there 
is likely two or three such individuals with the same name about the same 
time. So this may cause confusion.

Emilia da Paixao is 22 years old, single natural desta freguesia and is 
filha natural de Helena Rosa, who is also natural of Ribeirinha. So Helena 
Rosa had Maria out of wedlock and the father is presumably unknown, though 
he may have come forward at a later time. 

JR

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 2:06:37 PM UTC-4, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:
>
> *This baptism is a little unusual and I am not sure of it the wording on 
> the parentage is confusing I think it reads  “legitimate daughter of 
> unknown natural daughter of Antonio da Silva Canerio and Helena Rosa”*
>
>  
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
>  
> 
>   
> #44 right side. *
>
>  
>
> *Emilia marries in 1895 here #11 left side 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
>  
> 
>   
> her only parent named is Helena Rosa and as Filha natural.  I think there 
> was some confusion as to just who the father was. To add to the confusion I 
> have a Antonio da Silva Canerio married to Helena 1854 and a half a dozen 
> kids before this one Antonio died before 1876 when Helena remarried.*
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>  
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>  
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Matriz are now noted on the Azores GenWeb

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Thanks Cheri and thank you so much Kathy!! It really helps when you are
teaching someone about their Island to know for sure which churches are the
Matriz.

Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Kathy Cardoza, web master of the Azores GenWeb noted which churches are
> Matriz'.
>
> You can go to the Azores GenWeb, Maps, Churches, and Villages section here:
> https://goo.gl/EvsfkI
>
> You can pick your island by pointing at "Maps, Churches, and Villages" or
> by selecting from the list she provided below the map on that page.
>
> You can do a Ctrl+F (or Command+F for Macs) and type: Matriz
> to find the Matriz that are listed (F means Find. It's a useful keyboard
> shortcut to find something on a page. You may also locate the Find command
> under "Edit" if you have your Menu bar displayed in your browser or by
> clicking the Menu button in your browser).
>
> A big thank you to Kathy for finding the time to do this for us! Obrigada
> Kathy!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Matriz are now noted on the Azores GenWeb

[Cheri Mello]

Kathy Cardoza, web master of the Azores GenWeb noted which churches are
Matriz'.

You can go to the Azores GenWeb, Maps, Churches, and Villages section here:
https://goo.gl/EvsfkI

You can pick your island by pointing at "Maps, Churches, and Villages" or
by selecting from the list she provided below the map on that page.

You can do a Ctrl+F (or Command+F for Macs) and type: Matriz
to find the Matriz that are listed (F means Find. It's a useful keyboard
shortcut to find something on a page. You may also locate the Find command
under "Edit" if you have your Menu bar displayed in your browser or by
clicking the Menu button in your browser).

A big thank you to Kathy for finding the time to do this for us! Obrigada
Kathy!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Wording in baptism Ribeirinha, SM 1873

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

This is the correct link for the marriage 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1890-1899_item1/P86.html
 # 11 left side.

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:32 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Wording in baptism Ribeirinha, SM 1873

 

You've sent the same link twice.

In the baptism, the priest does not write his "d" with the stick up. He writes 
it like the "d" has had too much vinho and it's falling down. It looks like a 
"p."

At the end of line 9 he says: filha legitima pigo (digo)

10) filha natural de Antonio da Silva Carneiro, work-
11) er, and of Helena Roza




Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

This baptism is a little unusual and I am not sure of it the wording on the 
parentage is confusing I think it reads  “legitimate daughter of unknown 
natural daughter of Antonio da Silva Canerio and Helena Rosa”

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
  #44 right side. 

 

Emilia marries in 1895 here #11 left side 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
  her only parent named is Helena Rosa and as Filha natural.  I think there was 
some confusion as to just who the father was. To add to the confusion I have a 
Antonio da Silva Canerio married to Helena 1854 and a half a dozen kids before 
this one Antonio died before 1876 when Helena remarried.

 

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Software and Genealogy survey

[Emil]

Done. 
Emil 
- Original Message -

From: "Joanne Mercier"  
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:57:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Software and Genealogy survey 

Ditto! 




On May 17, 2017 at 3:51:53 PM, Maria Lima ( maria.lima...@gmail.com ) wrote: 


Done. 

Maria Elena 

On May 17, 2017, at 12:10 PM, 'abbykats' via Azores Genealogy < 
azores@googlegroups.com > wrote: 




Done. 


Barb Silva 

Member of Azores Gen Project 
Researching Graciosa Azores Portugal 
& Germany; Jafra Product Consultant 


On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:15 AM, MaryAnn Santos < m...@nyu.edu > wrote: 


Done! 

mas 

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Cheri Mello < gfsche...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I made a little survey about genealogy software. It's only 7 questions. I think 
it takes only 2 or 3 minutes. I'd appreciate it if all of you could help me 
out. 
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r /7KGD2J8 
Thanks Cheri 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Software and Genealogy survey

[Joanne Mercier]

Ditto!


On May 17, 2017 at 3:51:53 PM, Maria Lima (maria.lima...@gmail.com) wrote:

Done.

Maria Elena

On May 17, 2017, at 12:10 PM, 'abbykats' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Done.


Barb Silva

*Member of Azores Gen Project*
*Researching Graciosa Azores Portugal*
*& Germany; Jafra Product Consultant*


On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:15 AM, MaryAnn Santos  wrote:


Done!

mas

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

I made a little survey about genealogy software. It's only 7 questions. I
think it takes only 2 or 3 minutes. I'd appreciate it if all of you could
help me out.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r /7KGD2J8

Thanks Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Bretanha Óbitos - 1862

[Joanne Mercier]

Great - Thanks for giving me more info and places to look, Cheri and JR!


On May 17, 2017 at 3:33:11 PM, Cheri Mello (gfsche...@gmail.com) wrote:

Joanne, Looks like Nossa Senhora da Apresentação in Capelas (on the north
side of the island) also in Ponta Delgada is considered a Matriz too.
>From Wikipedia:
A Igreja de Nossa Senhora da Apresentação

foi instituída como paróquia 
em 12 de Fevereiro  de 1592
, por carta régia de Filipe
 II (I de Portugal), a
pedido do então bispo de Angra
, D. Manuel de Gouveia
. A igreja matriz (século
XVI ) ostentava o título de
'Matriz-Prioral'.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> João Ventura, archivist, told us that many of the expostos were baptized
> at the various Matriz'. Bretanha belongs to Ponta Delgada and the Matriz in
> Ponta Delgada is São Sebastião. That's on the other side of the island. I
> do see Ribeira Grande mentioned in your document. That's on the north coast
> of São Miguel island. I'd check the Matriz of R.Grande. The name of that
> church is Nossa Senhora da Estrela.
> Good luck, Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Joanne Mercier 
> wrote:
>
>> I am looking for Claudina’s baptismal record now that I know that she
>> died at the age of 2. I've gone through the Bretanha records twice and was
>> wondering, now that I know she is a foundling, if she could have been born
>> in a neighboring village.
>>
>>
>> On May 17, 2017 at 10:22:53 AM, JR (jmro...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>
>>> I have no idea what you are looking for or the time period. If your
>>> ancestor was an exposto, then when she had children or got married it
>>> should say where she was from. Many expostos came from Ponta Delgada and
>>> Ribeira Grande and were given to people in nearby villages. Others were
>>> given to people from their native villages.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 7:48:49 AM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:

 Ok, then I should be looking for her birth among the expostos, right?
 I've gone back as far as 1859 in Bretanha and haven't seen her. Could she
 have been born nearby and given to Antonia Augusta in Bretanha?

 Thanks for your help, JR!

 On May 17, 2017 at 3:23:45 AM, JR (jmr...@gmail.com) wrote:

> Claudina died a t two years old and was raised by Antonia Augusta
> spouse of Francisco da Camara. Something like, "...In proof hereof I wrote
> this record in duplicate which I signed."
>
> JR
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:41:34 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
>> AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869_i
>> tem1/P29.html - right hand side #8
>>
>> I understand most of it but I have 2 questions -
>> 1) is that the word “exposta” after Claudina’s name?
>> 2) Can someone translate the last sentence after Francisco de
>> Camara’s name?
>>
>> I always appreciate the help - thanks!
>>
>> Joanne Grota Mercier
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Software and Genealogy survey

[Maria Lima]

Done.  

Maria Elena 

> On May 17, 2017, at 12:10 PM, 'abbykats' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Done. 
> 
> 
> Barb Silva
> 
> Member of Azores Gen Project
> Researching Graciosa Azores Portugal
> & Germany; Jafra Product Consultant
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:15 AM, MaryAnn Santos  wrote:
> 
> 
> Done!
> 
> mas
> 
> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> I made a little survey about genealogy software. It's only 7 questions. I 
> think it takes only 2 or 3 minutes. I'd appreciate it if all of you could 
> help me out.
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r /7KGD2J8
> Thanks Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Bretanha Óbitos - 1862

[Cheri Mello]

Joanne, Looks like Nossa Senhora da Apresentação in Capelas (on the north
side of the island) also in Ponta Delgada is considered a Matriz too.
>From Wikipedia:
A Igreja de Nossa Senhora da Apresentação

foi instituída como paróquia 
em 12 de Fevereiro  de 1592
, por carta régia de Filipe
 II (I de Portugal), a
pedido do então bispo de Angra
, D. Manuel de Gouveia
. A igreja matriz (século
XVI ) ostentava o título de
'Matriz-Prioral'.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> João Ventura, archivist, told us that many of the expostos were baptized
> at the various Matriz'. Bretanha belongs to Ponta Delgada and the Matriz in
> Ponta Delgada is São Sebastião. That's on the other side of the island. I
> do see Ribeira Grande mentioned in your document. That's on the north coast
> of São Miguel island. I'd check the Matriz of R.Grande. The name of that
> church is Nossa Senhora da Estrela.
> Good luck, Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Joanne Mercier 
> wrote:
>
>> I am looking for Claudina’s baptismal record now that I know that she
>> died at the age of 2. I've gone through the Bretanha records twice and was
>> wondering, now that I know she is a foundling, if she could have been born
>> in a neighboring village.
>>
>>
>> On May 17, 2017 at 10:22:53 AM, JR (jmro...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>
>>> I have no idea what you are looking for or the time period. If your
>>> ancestor was an exposto, then when she had children or got married it
>>> should say where she was from. Many expostos came from Ponta Delgada and
>>> Ribeira Grande and were given to people in nearby villages. Others were
>>> given to people from their native villages.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 7:48:49 AM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:

 Ok, then I should be looking for her birth among the expostos, right?
 I've gone back as far as 1859 in Bretanha and haven't seen her. Could she
 have been born nearby and given to Antonia Augusta in Bretanha?

 Thanks for your help, JR!

 On May 17, 2017 at 3:23:45 AM, JR (jmr...@gmail.com) wrote:

> Claudina died a t two years old and was raised by Antonia Augusta
> spouse of Francisco da Camara. Something like, "...In proof hereof I wrote
> this record in duplicate which I signed."
>
> JR
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:41:34 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
>> AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869_i
>> tem1/P29.html - right hand side #8
>>
>> I understand most of it but I have 2 questions -
>> 1) is that the word “exposta” after Claudina’s name?
>> 2) Can someone translate the last sentence after Francisco de
>> Camara’s name?
>>
>> I always appreciate the help - thanks!
>>
>> Joanne Grota Mercier
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Wording in baptism Ribeirinha, SM 1873

[Cheri Mello]

You've sent the same link twice.

In the baptism, the priest does not write his "d" with the stick up. He
writes it like the "d" has had too much vinho and it's falling down. It
looks like a "p."

At the end of line 9 he says: filha legitima pigo (digo)
10) filha natural de Antonio da Silva Carneiro, work-
11) er, and of Helena Roza

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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *This baptism is a little unusual and I am not sure of it the wording on
> the parentage is confusing I think it reads  “legitimate daughter of
> unknown natural daughter of Antonio da Silva Canerio and Helena Rosa”*
>
>
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
> 
> #44 right side. *
>
>
>
> *Emilia marries in 1895 here #11 left side
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
> 
> her only parent named is Helena Rosa and as Filha natural.  I think there
> was some confusion as to just who the father was. To add to the confusion I
> have a Antonio da Silva Canerio married to Helena 1854 and a half a dozen
> kids before this one Antonio died before 1876 when Helena remarried.*
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Software and Genealogy survey

['abbykats' via Azores Genealogy]

Done. 

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Member of Azores Gen ProjectResearching Graciosa Azores Portugal& Germany; 
Jafra Product Consultant 

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:15 AM, MaryAnn Santos  wrote:
 

 Done!
mas
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

I made a little survey about genealogy software. It's only 7 questions. I think 
it takes only 2 or 3 minutes. I'd appreciate it if all of you could help me out.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r /7KGD2J8
Thanks Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[Paul]

THANK YOU ERICA You have helped knock down the brick wall that has been 
holding me up on researching my paternal grandfather's family. I've 
"literally" been pounding my head against this wall for 5 years now trying 
to find the baptism records for my great grandfather and his siblings. I 
*almost* cried when I viewed them.

Paul G.

On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 3:16:29 PM UTC-4, audiosourceinc wrote:
>
> Familysearch.com has just digitized almost all of their Madeira records. 
>  You can access them through searching their "catalog". Type in the place 
> "Madeira, Portugal" and "search".  Then choose the option of "church 
> records - 50 items".  This will bring you to a list of all of the 
> freguesias of Madeira.  Pick your freguesia and click on it. That will 
> bring up a list of all the records they have.  If the icon to the right is 
> a camera, then you can click on that link and look through them.  If the 
> icon is a film reel, then those records are not uploaded to the internet 
> yet and only available through ordering them directly. 
> If you have any other questions, you can email me directly  audiosourceinc 
> at qwestoffice.net 
> Erica Botelho 
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Maria Lima 
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:49 AM 
> To: AZORES 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research 
>
> A friend asked me for help on his wife's Madeira ancestry. I'd like to 
> help with reading the records for them but I'm not sure the records are 
> online like the Azores.  I'm not even sure yet if there's more than one 
> island - sorry to admit in public - I'm just starting to explore how I can 
> help them. 
>
> Is there an equivalent list for Madeira like this one? 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Maria Elena 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Bretanha Óbitos - 1862

[Cheri Mello]

João Ventura, archivist, told us that many of the expostos were baptized at
the various Matriz'. Bretanha belongs to Ponta Delgada and the Matriz in
Ponta Delgada is São Sebastião. That's on the other side of the island. I
do see Ribeira Grande mentioned in your document. That's on the north coast
of São Miguel island. I'd check the Matriz of R.Grande. The name of that
church is Nossa Senhora da Estrela.
Good luck, Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Joanne Mercier 
wrote:

> I am looking for Claudina’s baptismal record now that I know that she died
> at the age of 2. I've gone through the Bretanha records twice and was
> wondering, now that I know she is a foundling, if she could have been born
> in a neighboring village.
>
>
> On May 17, 2017 at 10:22:53 AM, JR (jmro...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
>> I have no idea what you are looking for or the time period. If your
>> ancestor was an exposto, then when she had children or got married it
>> should say where she was from. Many expostos came from Ponta Delgada and
>> Ribeira Grande and were given to people in nearby villages. Others were
>> given to people from their native villages.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 7:48:49 AM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, then I should be looking for her birth among the expostos, right?
>>> I've gone back as far as 1859 in Bretanha and haven't seen her. Could she
>>> have been born nearby and given to Antonia Augusta in Bretanha?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help, JR!
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2017 at 3:23:45 AM, JR (jmr...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>
 Claudina died a t two years old and was raised by Antonia Augusta
 spouse of Francisco da Camara. Something like, "...In proof hereof I wrote
 this record in duplicate which I signed."

 JR

 On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:41:34 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
> AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869_
> item1/P29.html - right hand side #8
>
> I understand most of it but I have 2 questions -
> 1) is that the word “exposta” after Claudina’s name?
> 2) Can someone translate the last sentence after Francisco de Camara’s
> name?
>
> I always appreciate the help - thanks!
>
> Joanne Grota Mercier
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Wording in baptism Ribeirinha, SM 1873

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

This baptism is a little unusual and I am not sure of it the wording on the
parentage is confusing I think it reads  "legitimate daughter of unknown
natural daughter of Antonio da Silva Canerio and Helena Rosa"

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-187
1-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html  #44 right side. 

 

Emilia marries in 1895 here #11 left side
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-187
1-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html  her only parent named
is Helena Rosa and as Filha natural.  I think there was some confusion as to
just who the father was. To add to the confusion I have a Antonio da Silva
Canerio married to Helena 1854 and a half a dozen kids before this one
Antonio died before 1876 when Helena remarried.

 

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Bretanha Óbitos - 1862

[JR]

I see. If you have gone through the records, she may have been born in 
another village. However, be on guard for any child given to the said 
parents in the specified 2 year period, in case there was a name change. 
After that I would look in Ponta Delgada. But you may be disappointed. 
There may be more than one Claudina given to parents from Bretanha in the 
same time period. Parents are not always specified. If they specify the 
correct parents, you are lucky.

JR

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 11:57:14 AM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>
> I am looking for Claudina’s baptismal record now that I know that she died 
> at the age of 2. I've gone through the Bretanha records twice and was 
> wondering, now that I know she is a foundling, if she could have been born 
> in a neighboring village. 
>
> On May 17, 2017 at 10:22:53 AM, JR (jmr...@gmail.com ) wrote:
>
>> I have no idea what you are looking for or the time period. If your 
>> ancestor was an exposto, then when she had children or got married it 
>> should say where she was from. Many expostos came from Ponta Delgada and 
>> Ribeira Grande and were given to people in nearby villages. Others were 
>> given to people from their native villages.  
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 7:48:49 AM UTC-4, Joanne wrote: 
>>>
>>> Ok, then I should be looking for her birth among the expostos, right? 
>>> I've gone back as far as 1859 in Bretanha and haven't seen her. Could she 
>>> have been born nearby and given to Antonia Augusta in Bretanha?  
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help, JR!
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2017 at 3:23:45 AM, JR (jmr...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>
 Claudina died a t two years old and was raised by Antonia Augusta 
 spouse of Francisco da Camara. Something like, "...In proof hereof I wrote 
 this record in duplicate which I signed."  

 JR

 On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:41:34 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote: 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869_item1/P29.html
>  - 
> right hand side #8
>
> I understand most of it but I have 2 questions - 
> 1) is that the word “exposta” after Claudina’s name?
> 2) Can someone translate the last sentence after Francisco de Camara’s 
> name?
>
> I always appreciate the help - thanks!
>
> Joanne Grota Mercier
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Bretanha Óbitos - 1862

[Joanne Mercier]

I am looking for Claudina’s baptismal record now that I know that she died
at the age of 2. I've gone through the Bretanha records twice and was
wondering, now that I know she is a foundling, if she could have been born
in a neighboring village.

On May 17, 2017 at 10:22:53 AM, JR (jmro...@gmail.com) wrote:

> I have no idea what you are looking for or the time period. If your
> ancestor was an exposto, then when she had children or got married it
> should say where she was from. Many expostos came from Ponta Delgada and
> Ribeira Grande and were given to people in nearby villages. Others were
> given to people from their native villages.
>
> JR
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 7:48:49 AM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>>
>> Ok, then I should be looking for her birth among the expostos, right?
>> I've gone back as far as 1859 in Bretanha and haven't seen her. Could she
>> have been born nearby and given to Antonia Augusta in Bretanha?
>>
>> Thanks for your help, JR!
>>
>> On May 17, 2017 at 3:23:45 AM, JR (jmr...@gmail.com ) wrote:
>>
>>> Claudina died a t two years old and was raised by Antonia Augusta spouse
>>> of Francisco da Camara. Something like, "...In proof hereof I wrote this
>>> record in duplicate which I signed."
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:41:34 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
 PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-
 1869_item1/P29.html - right hand side #8

 I understand most of it but I have 2 questions -
 1) is that the word “exposta” after Claudina’s name?
 2) Can someone translate the last sentence after Francisco de Camara’s
 name?

 I always appreciate the help - thanks!

 Joanne Grota Mercier

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Software and Genealogy survey

[MaryAnn Santos]

Done!

mas

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I made a little survey about genealogy software. It's only 7 questions. I
> think it takes only 2 or 3 minutes. I'd appreciate it if all of you could
> help me out.
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/7KGD2J8
> Thanks Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Bretanha Óbitos - 1862

[JR]

I have no idea what you are looking for or the time period. If your 
ancestor was an exposto, then when she had children or got married it 
should say where she was from. Many expostos came from Ponta Delgada and 
Ribeira Grande and were given to people in nearby villages. Others were 
given to people from their native villages. 

JR

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 7:48:49 AM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>
> Ok, then I should be looking for her birth among the expostos, right? I've 
> gone back as far as 1859 in Bretanha and haven't seen her. Could she have 
> been born nearby and given to Antonia Augusta in Bretanha? 
>
> Thanks for your help, JR!
>
> On May 17, 2017 at 3:23:45 AM, JR (jmr...@gmail.com ) wrote:
>
>> Claudina died a t two years old and was raised by Antonia Augusta spouse 
>> of Francisco da Camara. Something like, "...In proof hereof I wrote this 
>> record in duplicate which I signed."  
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:41:34 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869_item1/P29.html
>>>  - 
>>> right hand side #8
>>>
>>> I understand most of it but I have 2 questions - 
>>> 1) is that the word “exposta” after Claudina’s name?
>>> 2) Can someone translate the last sentence after Francisco de Camara’s 
>>> name?
>>>
>>> I always appreciate the help - thanks!
>>>
>>> Joanne Grota Mercier
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Bretanha Óbitos - 1862

[Joanne Mercier]

Ok, then I should be looking for her birth among the expostos, right? I've
gone back as far as 1859 in Bretanha and haven't seen her. Could she have
been born nearby and given to Antonia Augusta in Bretanha?

Thanks for your help, JR!

On May 17, 2017 at 3:23:45 AM, JR (jmro...@gmail.com) wrote:

> Claudina died a t two years old and was raised by Antonia Augusta spouse
> of Francisco da Camara. Something like, "...In proof hereof I wrote this
> record in duplicate which I signed."
>
> JR
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:41:34 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
>> PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-
>> 1869_item1/P29.html - right hand side #8
>>
>> I understand most of it but I have 2 questions -
>> 1) is that the word “exposta” after Claudina’s name?
>> 2) Can someone translate the last sentence after Francisco de Camara’s
>> name?
>>
>> I always appreciate the help - thanks!
>>
>> Joanne Grota Mercier
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Bretanha Óbitos - 1862

[JR]

Claudina died a t two years old and was raised by Antonia Augusta spouse of 
Francisco da Camara. Something like, "...In proof hereof I wrote this 
record in duplicate which I signed." 

JR

On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:41:34 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869_item1/P29.html
>  - 
> right hand side #8
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> I understand most of it but I have 2 questions - 
> 1) is that the word “exposta” after Claudina’s name?
> 2) Can someone translate the last sentence after Francisco de Camara’s 
> name?
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> I always appreciate the help - thanks!
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> Joanne Grota Mercier
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