[AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature

[Azores Genealogy group]

G'day folks,

Recently there has been discussion on using modern Portuguese whenever 
using family tree databases.  I fully support such a standardisation but 
what is the definitive reference source document? As a non speaking Aorean 
descendant how do I determine what's modern?

Examples to You use de Sousa or de Souza, Anna or Ana, I have multiple 
official documents where even in same document names have been spelt 
differently.

Suggestions?.

Tony

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature

[Cheri Mello]

Tony A,

You'll learn as you go along.
Manoel de Souza is...
Given name(s): Manuel de
Last name: Sousa

Da, de, do, d' are surname prefixes. They aren't part of the last name
unless that person uses it today as their legal name (my cousin, Altino
Demelo's last legal name is Demelo, so I have that way, but I tell my
program to file him under the Ms).

Anna is Ana.

Many double consonants that were considered to be repetitive were dropped.
So it's Ana now.

I think there may be a small name list on the Azores Gen Web. Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 1:18 AM, Azores Genealogy group <
tony_amar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> G'day folks,
>
> Recently there has been discussion on using modern Portuguese whenever
> using family tree databases.  I fully support such a standardisation but
> what is the definitive reference source document? As a non speaking Aorean
> descendant how do I determine what's modern?
>
> Examples to You use de Sousa or de Souza, Anna or Ana, I have multiple
> official documents where even in same document names have been spelt
> differently.
>
> Suggestions?.
>
> Tony
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Tony you need to go to the AzoresGenWeb site and download the Basic
Portuguese Paleography. In the center of the booklet it lists given names
and surnames in the modern spellings. Also, James Guill's book *The History
of the Azores , *if you could find a copy, has a section with surnames in
the modern spellings. Check out the Terceira Marriage Index on the CCA
site, they use the modern spellings.

Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 1:18 AM, Azores Genealogy group <
tony_amar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> G'day folks,
>
> Recently there has been discussion on using modern Portuguese whenever
> using family tree databases.  I fully support such a standardisation but
> what is the definitive reference source document? As a non speaking Aorean
> descendant how do I determine what's modern?
>
> Examples to You use de Sousa or de Souza, Anna or Ana, I have multiple
> official documents where even in same document names have been spelt
> differently.
>
> Suggestions?.
>
> Tony
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I standardize last name spellings using James Guill’s list from Vol 5, Azores 
Islands a History. In this book he has listed SOUSA not Souza. My Genealogy 
program allows flexibility on names. My grandfather spelled his name Pimental, 
according to his Baptismal record the correct spelling is Pimentel. In my 
Genealogy program I entered his name as Pimental, As a Tag (name variation) I 
entered his name as Pimentel. I also entered his sort name as Pimental. This 
way when I search, his name will be listed both ways and he can be found.

There is a list of first names that are the approved names and modern spellings 
in Portugal. I use the modern spellings for example Joao rather than Joam, Anna 
rather than Ana. I also make a note on how the name was spelled in the record.

 

Rick

 

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature

 

G'day folks,

 

Recently there has been discussion on using modern Portuguese whenever using 
family tree databases.  I fully support such a standardisation but what is the 
definitive reference source document? As a non speaking Aorean descendant how 
do I determine what's modern?

 

Examples to You use de Sousa or de Souza, Anna or Ana, I have multiple official 
documents where even in same document names have been spelt differently.

 

Suggestions?.

 

Tony

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[AZORES-Genealogy] accessing mainland records

[JR]

Can anyone access the mainland Portugal records using the Tombo index. I 
was not able. Everything times out or is inaccessible. Did the addresses 
move?

JR

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] accessing mainland records

[Kathy Cardoza]

I’m having the same result as you but I have no answer for you.

Kathy
~~~
Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
~~~



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> Can anyone access the mainland Portugal records using the Tombo index. I was 
> not able. Everything times out or is inaccessible. Did the addresses move?
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] accessing mainland records

[Margaret Vicente]

Same thing for me.

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> On Aug 8, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:
> 
> I’m having the same result as you but I have no answer for you.
> 
> Kathy
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
>   http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
> ~~~
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2017, at 1:01 PM, JR  wrote:
>> 
>> Can anyone access the mainland Portugal records using the Tombo index. I was 
>> not able. Everything times out or is inaccessible. Did the addresses move?
>> 
>> JR
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] accessing mainland records

[E. Sharp]

I was just using it this morning with no problems.

"E"

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[AZORES-Genealogy] How to cut and paste records

["E" Sharp]

Its been a while since I have cut and pasted records from the bmd records.
Can someone enlighten me?  I am trying to enlarge and print certain records.

Thank you.
"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] accessing mainland records

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

I tried also and it takes you to the list of everything for a specific
village but they says 'unable to connect to site'.


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On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:

> I’m having the same result as you but I have no answer for you.
>
> Kathy
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
> ~~~
>
>
>
> On Aug 8, 2017, at 1:01 PM, JR  wrote:
>
> Can anyone access the mainland Portugal records using the Tombo index. I
> was not able. Everything times out or is inaccessible. Did the addresses
> move?
>
> JR
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Can't be sure of Name of child and father

[Maria Lima]

Right page, second one down.

Is the father Manoel de MONTE?  Or could it be da Costa?  I want it to be da 
Costa. The  padrinho is a Da Costa and it is clear.The mother's name is 
also clear and it's the name I'm looking for, Izabel Martins.  

Is the child named Pedro?  

If it doesn't say Manoel da " Costa", then sadly, it's not my record.  :(

Thanks for looking. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P100.html

Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't be sure of Name of child and father

[Margaret Vicente]

It's Monte.  Manuel do Monte.  Who are you looking for, perhaps I can help?

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> On Aug 8, 2017, at 7:20 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
> 
> Right page, second one down.
> 
> Is the father Manoel de MONTE?  Or could it be da Costa?  I want it to be da 
> Costa. The  padrinho is a Da Costa and it is clear.The mother's name is 
> also clear and it's the name I'm looking for, Izabel Martins.  
> 
> Is the child named Pedro?  
> 
> If it doesn't say Manoel da " Costa", then sadly, it's not my record.  :(
> 
> Thanks for looking. 
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P100.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] A child "presented" to Izabel Martins

[Maria Lima]

Wow!  Izabel had a daughter which they named Maria and was baptized April 
1-then a few pages later I find ANOTHER child baptized 1 June (also named 
Maria) but her parents are Unknown.  It says she was "presented" to Izabel 
Martins, wife of Manoel da Costa.

How do I record this second Maria who is not biological child of the couple? 
(Well, we don't know if she's the child of the father or some relative) when 
this child was given to her to raise, she already had 5 of her own and the 
youngest was two months old.  Weird situation but maybe someone has more 
insight. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P103.html

Help?

Maria Elena 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] A child "presented" to Izabel Martins

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

As a matter of interest I would look at the Obitos for this period between the 
two Marias to see if the first one died. Remember this is the time before 
bottles and formulas and many foundlings were given to woman who were 
lactating.  As far as the second Maria you might say she was in foster care. I 
certainly would make note of it as this is the family history.

 

Rick

 

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Maria Lima
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:07 PM
To: AZORES
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] A child "presented" to Izabel Martins

 

Wow!  Izabel had a daughter which they named Maria and was baptized April 
1-then a few pages later I find ANOTHER child baptized 1 June (also named 
Maria) but her parents are Unknown.  It says she was "presented" to Izabel 
Martins, wife of Manoel da Costa.

 

How do I record this second Maria who is not biological child of the couple? 
(Well, we don't know if she's the child of the father or some relative) when 
this child was given to her to raise, she already had 5 of her own and the 
youngest was two months old.  Weird situation but maybe someone has more 
insight. 

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P103.html

 

Help?

Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't be sure of Name of child and father

[Maria Lima]

Thank. You Margaret.  I'm looking for Antonia Martins daughter of Manoel da 
Costa x Izabel Martins.  Most of the children of this couple were baptized in 
Relva but I've discovered some were baptized in São José.

I thought I had the whole family and then the computer pointed out there were 
Missing children-  a nine year gap between kids.  Then I realized they were 
being baptized in different parishes between São José and Relva in Ponta 
Delgada.   

In the last few minutes I found a child given to the Izabel Martins when she 
had just given birth to Maria at the end of March and then she was given 
another child named Maria of unknown parents at the beginning of June!  Maybe 
it was because she could nurse her?  

Not sure if this is an adopted child or how to enter in familysearch. 

I think I will find Antonia Martins birth record in São José as I keep looking 
between 1683 and 1689 when the next child was born.  Izabel had child bearing 
pattern of almost every 2 years. 

As always, Margaret, you are so kind and helpful.  Thank you

Maria Elena 

> On Aug 8, 2017, at 7:45 PM, Margaret Vicente  
> wrote:
> 
> It's Monte.  Manuel do Monte.  Who are you looking for, perhaps I can help?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2017, at 7:20 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
>> 
>> Right page, second one down.
>> 
>> Is the father Manoel de MONTE?  Or could it be da Costa?  I want it to be da 
>> Costa. The  padrinho is a Da Costa and it is clear.The mother's name is 
>> also clear and it's the name I'm looking for, Izabel Martins.  
>> 
>> Is the child named Pedro?  
>> 
>> If it doesn't say Manoel da " Costa", then sadly, it's not my record.  :(
>> 
>> Thanks for looking. 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P100.html
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A child "presented" to Izabel Martins

[Maria Lima]

Thanks RICK- I will look at the Obitos.  Good point- I hadn't thought of that.  

Maria Elena 

> On Aug 8, 2017, at 8:27 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel  
> wrote:
> 
> As a matter of interest I would look at the Obitos for this period between 
> the two Marias to see if the first one died. Remember this is the time before 
> bottles and formulas and many foundlings were given to woman who were 
> lactating.  As far as the second Maria you might say she was in foster care. 
> I certainly would make note of it as this is the family history.
>  
> Rick
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Maria Lima
> Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:07 PM
> To: AZORES
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] A child "presented" to Izabel Martins
>  
> Wow!  Izabel had a daughter which they named Maria and was baptized April 
> 1-then a few pages later I find ANOTHER child baptized 1 June (also named 
> Maria) but her parents are Unknown.  It says she was "presented" to Izabel 
> Martins, wife of Manoel da Costa.
>  
> How do I record this second Maria who is not biological child of the couple? 
> (Well, we don't know if she's the child of the father or some relative) when 
> this child was given to her to raise, she already had 5 of her own and the 
> youngest was two months old.  Weird situation but maybe someone has more 
> insight. 
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P103.html
>  
> Help?
> 
> Maria Elena 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A child "presented" to Izabel Martins

[Margaret Vicente]

Maria Elena,

Here's Antonia's baptised August 28 1686 - right side, 2nd before last.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P131.html

Here's other children for this couple:
Joao, left side
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P18.html
Manuel, left side
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P41.html
Maria, left side
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P102.html
Maria, left side
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P117.html

The child Maria of incognito parents you speak of "was presented" for
baptism by Isabel Martins wife of Manuel da Costa.  Baptism required some
one to present the child.  It is an ancient ritual.



On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 8:06 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> Wow!  Izabel had a daughter which they named Maria and was baptized April
> 1-then a few pages later I find ANOTHER child baptized 1 June (also named
> Maria) but her parents are Unknown.  It says she was "presented" to Izabel
> Martins, wife of Manoel da Costa.
>
> How do I record this second Maria who is not biological child of the
> couple? (Well, we don't know if she's the child of the father or some
> relative) when this child was given to her to raise, she already had 5 of
> her own and the youngest was two months old.  Weird situation but maybe
> someone has more insight.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P103.html
>
> Help?
>
> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing recommendations

[Kelly]

Thank you Pat! I chose FTDNA family finder per Cheri's advisement. I
appreciate your response.

On Aug 7, 2017 9:26 PM, "'cnsport' via Azores Genealogy" <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Since you are on the Azores group I assume you have a connection there.  A
> lot of people from the group have done Family Tree DNA.  You have a greater
> chance of matches and Cheryl Mello is very helpful.
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Pai Incognito

[Judy Thompson]

I'm wondering what people are using in their family trees when the 
father is pai incognito?  Are you using just that?  What if you have 
more than one person with a pai incognito, do you use the same or code 
them as 1, 2, etc., or ?


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to cut and paste records

[luiznoia .]

It depends on what type of computer you have.
On my Windows 10 based one, I use screenshot to save them, the Photo
Manager to crop. I add them to documents as an image.

On Aug 8, 2017 2:09 PM, E" Sharp"  wrote:

> Its been a while since I have cut and pasted records from the bmd
> records.  Can someone enlighten me?  I am trying to enlarge and print
> certain records.
>
> Thank you.
> "E"
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] accessing mainland records

[Maria Sousa]

I just tried.  Still down for me too.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 4:53 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:

> I was just using it this morning with no problems.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A child "presented" to Izabel Martins

[Elizabeth Migliori]

she was given child because she was nursing and could feed the baby.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> Wow!  Izabel had a daughter which they named Maria and was baptized April
> 1-then a few pages later I find ANOTHER child baptized 1 June (also named
> Maria) but her parents are Unknown.  It says she was "presented" to Izabel
> Martins, wife of Manoel da Costa.
>
> How do I record this second Maria who is not biological child of the
> couple? (Well, we don't know if she's the child of the father or some
> relative) when this child was given to her to raise, she already had 5 of
> her own and the youngest was two months old.  Weird situation but maybe
> someone has more insight.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P103.html
>
> Help?
>
> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pai Incognito

[Cheri Mello]

Pai incognito. Mãe incognito. I don't number them. Each one is unique with
its own identification from the program. Otherwise, they would all show up
as siblings and that is not true.

Most people do this method. I see it in their trees when they upload it to
FTDNA.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 8:19 AM, Judy Thompson  wrote:

> I'm wondering what people are using in their family trees when the father
> is pai incognito?  Are you using just that?  What if you have more than one
> person with a pai incognito, do you use the same or code them as 1, 2,
> etc., or ?
>
> JudyT
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pai Incognito

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I do not put any name if they are incognito. If you want you can add a note 
that parents were unknown.

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 9:28 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pai Incognito

 

Pai incognito. Mãe incognito. I don't number them. Each one is unique with its 
own identification from the program. Otherwise, they would all show up as 
siblings and that is not true.

Most people do this method. I see it in their trees when they upload it to 
FTDNA.  Cheri




Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 8:19 AM, Judy Thompson  wrote:

I'm wondering what people are using in their family trees when the father is 
pai incognito?  Are you using just that?  What if you have more than one person 
with a pai incognito, do you use the same or code them as 1, 2, etc., or ?

JudyT

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to cut and paste records

[Kathy Cardoza]

E

You should be able to right-click on the file you want to save, and pick the 
appropriate thing from the menu. I'm not a Windows person so I can't help you 
with software suggestions. But at least this will get the image saved to your 
computer. Be sure to note where it goes. :)

Kathy 

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> On Aug 8, 2017, at 2:25 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
> 
> It depends on what type of computer you have.
> On my Windows 10 based one, I use screenshot to save them, the Photo Manager 
> to crop. I add them to documents as an image.
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2017 2:09 PM, E" Sharp"  wrote:
>> Its been a while since I have cut and pasted records from the bmd records.  
>> Can someone enlighten me?  I am trying to enlarge and print certain records.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> "E"
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't be sure of Name of child and father

[JR]

Whom did Antonio Martins marry and when. Might have something for you.

JR

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:35:28 PM UTC-4, Maria wrote:
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> Thank. You Margaret.  I'm looking for Antonia Martins daughter of Manoel 
> da Costa x Izabel Martins.  Most of the children of this couple were 
> baptized in Relva but I've discovered some were baptized in São José.
>
> I thought I had the whole family and then the computer pointed out there 
> were Missing children-  a nine year gap between kids.  Then I realized they 
> were being baptized in different parishes between São José and Relva in 
> Ponta Delgada.   
>
> In the last few minutes I found a child given to the Izabel Martins when 
> she had just given birth to Maria at the end of March and then she was 
> given another child named Maria of unknown parents at the beginning of 
> June!  Maybe it was because she could nurse her?  
>
> Not sure if this is an adopted child or how to enter in familysearch. 
>
> I think I will find Antonia Martins birth record in São José as I keep 
> looking between 1683 and 1689 when the next child was born.  Izabel had 
> child bearing pattern of almost every 2 years.  
>
> As always, Margaret, you are so kind and helpful.  Thank you
>
> Maria Elena 
>
> On Aug 8, 2017, at 7:45 PM, Margaret Vicente  > wrote:
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> It's Monte.  Manuel do Monte.  Who are you looking for, perhaps I can help?
>
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> On Aug 8, 2017, at 7:20 PM, Maria Lima > 
> wrote:
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> Right page, second one down.
>
> Is the father Manoel de MONTE?  Or could it be da Costa?  I want it to be 
> da Costa. The  padrinho is a Da Costa and it is clear.The mother's name 
> is also clear and it's the name I'm looking for, Izabel Martins.  
>
> Is the child named Pedro?  
>
> If it doesn't say Manoel da " Costa", then sadly, it's not my record.  :(
>
> Thanks for looking. 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P100.html
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> Maria Elena 
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