Re: Re: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP WITH TRANSLATE

[Cheri Mello]

George Pacheco holds classes from time to time around the North Dartmouth
area. Maybe that will help.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:12 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the advice.
>
>  I agree, I need to become more familiar with the language, or partner up
> with someone who reads it.
>
> CA is out as I am in MA.
>
> Bill Cabral
>
> In a message dated 1/16/2018 11:23:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> gfsche...@gmail.com writes:
>
> #54 is Maria d/o of Jose Pereira de Motta and Mariana Augusta. Not close.
>
> If you live in northern CA and can go to the DAR Ancestor Roundup (I think
> it's called), a Portuguese class will be taught there by Rosemarie. Or if
> you are in Escalon, CA in June, Joao Ventura is offering some mini-classes.
> Or if you can go to the Salt Lake Institute of Genealogy, they have a week
> long course at the end of the month. Any of those classes will help you.
> It's kinda like you are taking wild guesses. Your Maria is most likely
> going to have a side note, all squishy and it will mention the marriage to
> her husband.  Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:21 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Margaret,
>>
>> I have an old  hand written note listing father as William Cabral and
>> mother a Maria Julia Motta
>> I do not recall where I obtained the info.
>> I also found another state record listing her  birth date as 22 Oct 1889
>>  but no records for 17 Nov ???/
>>
>> Could this be it  # 54 as I see a Motta listed
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-
>> PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P129.html
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> In a message dated 1/16/2018 2:04:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Miguel,
>> No problem, but there your Maria's birth date of Oct 24 doesn't match
>> this record.
>>
>> No. 53 - Maria
>> Birthdate: 17-Nov-1889
>> Baptised: 25-Dec-1889
>> Parents: Jose Cabral, vendeiro (bartender or store owner/goods seller)
>> and Jacinta da Gloria
>> Paternal Grandparents: Antonio Cabral e Rosa de Jesus
>> Mat. GP: Manuel Martins and Margarida Julia
>> Godfather: Manuel Pedro de Almeida, married, worker
>>
>> Took a peak at other Maria's for 1888 and 1889 and none have a Oct 24th
>> birth date.
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 11:11 AM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank You Margaret,
>>>
>>> I will now be able to do further research on him.
>>>
>>> Any chance you could translate this one to see if it is his wife  Maria
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-
>>> PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P133.html
>>>
>>> Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande
>>> Pico de Padre
>>>  Came to US 1917 with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her
>>> passport listing from
>>> Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William
>>> Cabral and Mother Julia Motta
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/16/2018 9:32:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>> Sorry, the Godmother is Guilhermina Isabel.
>>> The Godfather trade was that of "cabouqueiro" stone cutter
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Bill,

 I think this may be your William's birth record.  His name is Guilherme

 Birth date: April 25th 1887
 First child of this name born to: Jose Cabral to Rego, carvoeiro [this
 was a profession and it is a person who sells or makes charcoal] natural of
 Sao Vicente Ferreira, and of his wife Julia da Conceicao
 Paternal Grandparents: Francisco Cabral do Rego and Maria de Jesus
 Maternal Grandparents: Jose Soares e Francisca de Jesus
 Godparents: Manuel do Couto, and his wife Guilhermina

 To confirm you should be ordering their marriage record.

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-
 PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P60.html

 On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
 azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am new to the group, and just finding my way around.  Everyone is so
> helpful and supportive to us newbies.
>
> I am researching
>  William Cabral  b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have
> not found anything yet.
>
> Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande
>   Pico de Padre
>  Came to US 1917 with son Jose and 

Re: Re: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP WITH TRANSLATE

[bill2232 via Azores Genealogy]

Thank you for the advice.
 
  I agree, I need to become more familiar with the language, or partner up with 
someone who reads it.
 
CA is out as I am in MA.
 
Bill Cabral
 
In a message dated 1/16/2018 11:23:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
gfsche...@gmail.com writes:
 
#54 is Maria d/o of Jose Pereira de Motta and Mariana Augusta. Not close.


If you live in northern CA and can go to the DAR Ancestor Roundup (I think it's 
called), a Portuguese class will be taught there by Rosemarie. Or if you are in 
Escalon, CA in June, Joao Ventura is offering some mini-classes. Or if you can 
go to the Salt Lake Institute of Genealogy, they have a week long course at the 
end of the month. Any of those classes will help you. It's kinda like you are 
taking wild guesses. Your Maria is most likely going to have a side note, all 
squishy and it will mention the marriage to her husband.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:21 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Margaret,
 
I have an old  hand written note listing father as William Cabral and mother a 
Maria Julia Motta
I do not recall where I obtained the info.
I also found another state record listing her  birth date as 22 Oct 1889  but 
no records for 17 Nov ???/
 
Could this be it  # 54 as I see a Motta listed
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P129.html
 
Bill
 
In a message dated 1/16/2018 2:04:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
margaretvice...@gmail.com writes: 
Miguel, 
No problem, but there your Maria's birth date of Oct 24 doesn't match this 
record. 
 
No. 53 - Maria
Birthdate: 17-Nov-1889
Baptised: 25-Dec-1889
Parents: Jose Cabral, vendeiro (bartender or store owner/goods seller) and 
Jacinta da Gloria
Paternal Grandparents: Antonio Cabral e Rosa de Jesus
Mat. GP: Manuel Martins and Margarida Julia
Godfather: Manuel Pedro de Almeida, married, worker
 
Took a peak at other Maria's for 1888 and 1889 and none have a Oct 24th birth 
date.
 
Margaret

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 11:11 AM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Thank You Margaret,
 
I will now be able to do further research on him.
 
Any chance you could translate this one to see if it is his wife  Maria

 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P133.html
 
Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande   Pico de 
Padre
 Came to US 1917     with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her passport 
listing from
 Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William Cabral 
and Mother Julia Motta 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2018 9:32:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
margaretvice...@gmail.com writes: 
Sorry, the Godmother is Guilhermina Isabel.
The Godfather trade was that of "cabouqueiro" stone cutter
 
Margaret

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Bill,
 
I think this may be your William's birth record.  His name is Guilherme
 
Birth date: April 25th 1887
First child of this name born to: Jose Cabral to Rego, carvoeiro [this was a 
profession and it is a person who sells or makes charcoal] natural of Sao 
Vicente Ferreira, and of his wife Julia da Conceicao
Paternal Grandparents: Francisco Cabral do Rego and Maria de Jesus
Maternal Grandparents: Jose Soares e Francisca de Jesus
Godparents: Manuel do Couto, and his wife Guilhermina
 
To confirm you should be ordering their marriage record.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P60.html

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Hello all,

 
I am new to the group, and just finding my way around.  Everyone is so helpful 
and supportive to us newbies.
 
I am researching
  William Cabral  b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have not found 
anything yet.
 
Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande   Pico de 
Padre
 Came to US 1917     with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her passport 
listing from
 Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William Cabral 
and Mother Julia Motta 

 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
 
I think I found her baptismal record, but cannot read much Only Maria in the 
margin and Cabral in the text.
 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
 
Can someone tell me what the headings are on top of the passport listing, and 
where  I can get the baptismal record translated to see if it actually is her.

 
Are any of these records or 

Re: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP WITH TRANSLATE

[Cheri Mello]

#54 is Maria d/o of Jose Pereira de Motta and Mariana Augusta. Not close.

If you live in northern CA and can go to the DAR Ancestor Roundup (I think
it's called), a Portuguese class will be taught there by Rosemarie. Or if
you are in Escalon, CA in June, Joao Ventura is offering some mini-classes.
Or if you can go to the Salt Lake Institute of Genealogy, they have a week
long course at the end of the month. Any of those classes will help you.
It's kinda like you are taking wild guesses. Your Maria is most likely
going to have a side note, all squishy and it will mention the marriage to
her husband.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:21 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Margaret,
>
> I have an old  hand written note listing father as William Cabral and
> mother a Maria Julia Motta
> I do not recall where I obtained the info.
> I also found another state record listing her  birth date as 22 Oct 1889
>  but no records for 17 Nov ???/
>
> Could this be it  # 54 as I see a Motta listed
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P129.html
>
> Bill
>
> In a message dated 1/16/2018 2:04:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> margaretvice...@gmail.com writes:
>
> Miguel,
> No problem, but there your Maria's birth date of Oct 24 doesn't match this
> record.
>
> No. 53 - Maria
> Birthdate: 17-Nov-1889
> Baptised: 25-Dec-1889
> Parents: Jose Cabral, vendeiro (bartender or store owner/goods seller) and
> Jacinta da Gloria
> Paternal Grandparents: Antonio Cabral e Rosa de Jesus
> Mat. GP: Manuel Martins and Margarida Julia
> Godfather: Manuel Pedro de Almeida, married, worker
>
> Took a peak at other Maria's for 1888 and 1889 and none have a Oct 24th
> birth date.
>
> Margaret
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 11:11 AM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank You Margaret,
>>
>> I will now be able to do further research on him.
>>
>> Any chance you could translate this one to see if it is his wife  Maria
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-
>> PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P133.html
>>
>> Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande
>> Pico de Padre
>>  Came to US 1917 with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her
>> passport listing from
>> Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William
>> Cabral and Mother Julia Motta
>>
>> In a message dated 1/16/2018 9:32:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Sorry, the Godmother is Guilhermina Isabel.
>> The Godfather trade was that of "cabouqueiro" stone cutter
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> I think this may be your William's birth record.  His name is Guilherme
>>>
>>> Birth date: April 25th 1887
>>> First child of this name born to: Jose Cabral to Rego, carvoeiro [this
>>> was a profession and it is a person who sells or makes charcoal] natural of
>>> Sao Vicente Ferreira, and of his wife Julia da Conceicao
>>> Paternal Grandparents: Francisco Cabral do Rego and Maria de Jesus
>>> Maternal Grandparents: Jose Soares e Francisca de Jesus
>>> Godparents: Manuel do Couto, and his wife Guilhermina
>>>
>>> To confirm you should be ordering their marriage record.
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-
>>> PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P60.html
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hello all,

 I am new to the group, and just finding my way around.  Everyone is so
 helpful and supportive to us newbies.

 I am researching
  William Cabral  b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have
 not found anything yet.

 Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande
 Pico de Padre
  Came to US 1917 with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her
 passport listing from
 Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William
 Cabral and Mother Julia Motta

 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS
 SAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html

 I think I found her baptismal record, but cannot read much Only Maria
 in the margin and Cabral in the text.

 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS
 SAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html

 Can someone tell me what the headings are on top of the passport
 listing, and where  I can get the baptismal record translated to see if it
 actually is her.

 

Re: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP WITH TRANSLATE

[Cheri Mello]

You think her father was a William Cabral and mother Julia Motta? Maria #3
is the daughter of Jose Cabral and Jacinta da Gloria. Not even close. :(

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 5:06 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Sorry if I confused anyone,
>
> My gf was known as William Cabral here in America, but obvious is actually
> Guilherme Cabral do Rego.
> I can now understand why it was family talk that he changed his name from
> Rego to Cabral for unknown reasons. He or US immigration dropped the Rego
>
> His wife was known as Mary Sally Cabral inAmerica,  but was actually Maria
> Salome Cabral
> Her baptismal record I think is here Maria  # 3 starts on lower left side?
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P133.html
>
> In a message dated 1/16/2018 1:36:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> gfsche...@gmail.com writes:
>
> Miguel, Thanks, I've never seen Salomé in Portuguese records!
>
> Bill, you need to state which records you need help with. Your Maria will
> probably have a side note listing her marriage to Guilherme.  Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:11 AM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank You Margaret,
>>
>> I will now be able to do further research on him.
>>
>> Any chance you could translate this one to see if it is his wife  Maria
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-
>> PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P133.html
>>
>> Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande
>> Pico de Padre
>>  Came to US 1917 with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her
>> passport listing from
>> Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William
>> Cabral and Mother Julia Motta
>>
>> In a message dated 1/16/2018 9:32:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com writes:
>>
>> Sorry, the Godmother is Guilhermina Isabel.
>> The Godfather trade was that of "cabouqueiro" stone cutter
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> I think this may be your William's birth record.  His name is Guilherme
>>>
>>> Birth date: April 25th 1887
>>> First child of this name born to: Jose Cabral to Rego, carvoeiro [this
>>> was a profession and it is a person who sells or makes charcoal] natural of
>>> Sao Vicente Ferreira, and of his wife Julia da Conceicao
>>> Paternal Grandparents: Francisco Cabral do Rego and Maria de Jesus
>>> Maternal Grandparents: Jose Soares e Francisca de Jesus
>>> Godparents: Manuel do Couto, and his wife Guilhermina
>>>
>>> To confirm you should be ordering their marriage record.
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-
>>> PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P60.html
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hello all,

 I am new to the group, and just finding my way around.  Everyone is so
 helpful and supportive to us newbies.

 I am researching
  William Cabral  b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have
 not found anything yet.

 Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande
 Pico de Padre
  Came to US 1917 with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her
 passport listing from
 Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William
 Cabral and Mother Julia Motta

 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS
 SAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html

 I think I found her baptismal record, but cannot read much Only Maria
 in the margin and Cabral in the text.

 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS
 SAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html

 Can someone tell me what the headings are on top of the passport
 listing, and where  I can get the baptismal record translated to see if it
 actually is her.

 Are any of these records or any records from that time frame indexed to
 make my search easier?

 You can post here or send direct as not to take time from others.

 Thank You.

 Bill Cabral
 bill2...@aol.com


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Re: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP WITH TRANSLATE

[bill2232 via Azores Genealogy]

Margaret,
 
I have an old  hand written note listing father as William Cabral and mother a 
Maria Julia Motta
I do not recall where I obtained the info.
I also found another state record listing her  birth date as 22 Oct 1889  but 
no records for 17 Nov ???/
 
Could this be it  # 54 as I see a Motta listed
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P129.html
 
Bill
 
In a message dated 1/16/2018 2:04:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
margaretvice...@gmail.com writes:
 
Miguel, 
No problem, but there your Maria's birth date of Oct 24 doesn't match this 
record.  
 
No. 53 - Maria
Birthdate: 17-Nov-1889
Baptised: 25-Dec-1889
Parents: Jose Cabral, vendeiro (bartender or store owner/goods seller) and 
Jacinta da Gloria
Paternal Grandparents: Antonio Cabral e Rosa de Jesus
Mat. GP: Manuel Martins and Margarida Julia
Godfather: Manuel Pedro de Almeida, married, worker
 
Took a peak at other Maria's for 1888 and 1889 and none have a Oct 24th birth 
date.
 
Margaret

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 11:11 AM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Thank You Margaret,
 
I will now be able to do further research on him.
 
Any chance you could translate this one to see if it is his wife  Maria

 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P133.html
 
Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande   Pico de 
Padre
 Came to US 1917     with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her passport 
listing from
 Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William Cabral 
and Mother Julia Motta 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2018 9:32:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
margaretvice...@gmail.com writes:
 
Sorry, the Godmother is Guilhermina Isabel.
The Godfather trade was that of "cabouqueiro" stone cutter
 
Margaret

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Bill,
 
I think this may be your William's birth record.  His name is Guilherme
 
Birth date: April 25th 1887
First child of this name born to: Jose Cabral to Rego, carvoeiro [this was a 
profession and it is a person who sells or makes charcoal] natural of Sao 
Vicente Ferreira, and of his wife Julia da Conceicao
Paternal Grandparents: Francisco Cabral do Rego and Maria de Jesus
Maternal Grandparents: Jose Soares e Francisca de Jesus
Godparents: Manuel do Couto, and his wife Guilhermina
 
To confirm you should be ordering their marriage record.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P60.html

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Hello all,

 
I am new to the group, and just finding my way around.  Everyone is so helpful 
and supportive to us newbies.
 
I am researching
  William Cabral  b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have not found 
anything yet.
 
Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande   Pico de 
Padre
 Came to US 1917     with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her passport 
listing from
 Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William Cabral 
and Mother Julia Motta 

 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
 
I think I found her baptismal record, but cannot read much Only Maria in the 
margin and Cabral in the text.
 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
 
Can someone tell me what the headings are on top of the passport listing, and 
where  I can get the baptismal record translated to see if it actually is her.

 
Are any of these records or any records from that time frame indexed to make my 
search easier?
 
You can post here or send direct as not to take time from others.
 
Thank You.
 
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Re: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP WITH TRANSLATE

[bill2232 via Azores Genealogy]

No need to explain, I just looked it up myself.
 
Better to use this translation    has its root in Hebrew, and Solome means 
"peace".
Also associated with Sallie.
 
And I knew her as Sally
 
In a message dated 1/16/2018 7:58:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
gfsche...@gmail.com writes:
 
Eek gads!!! I just read up on the Biblical name Salomé.

Cheri Mello
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On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 4:48 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy 
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Yes, I knew her as Mary Sally Cabral here in America.

 
In a message dated 1/16/2018 1:28:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
miguelasantos...@gmail.com writes:
 
I Think it's Maria Salomé Cabral.
 
Miguel

terça-feira, 16 de Janeiro de 2018 às 04:11:47 UTC-1, Cheri Mello escreveu:
Hi Bill,


Passaporte # 258 for Maria Something Cabral...
Headings:
Year, Month, Day, Passaporte #, Passenger # (left blank), Name, Age, Status 
(single, married, widowed), Profession, Legitimate (or illegitimate - meaning 
if person was born out of wedlock), Native of (council & freguesia), Resident 
of (council & freguesia)Yours is Pico da Pedra (squishy writing)...
Page 2 headings:
Literacy (I can't tell if it's illiterate or literate - it's in the fold), A 
bunch of blank columns, An emigrant (yes/no), which class (1st, 2nd, 3rd class 
passenger), number of times emigrated before (not entirely sure on that 
column), next 2 columns I can't get, last 2 say where going (America) and city 
(Bristol in your case).



That time period they didn't ask for the parents on the passaportes :(



You didn't include Maria's baptism. You sent the Passaportes link twice (oops).



Key words for the baptisms can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: 
https://goo.gl/TkFjWX


At the end of that page is a link that will take you to samples where you can 
compare your record to the online one a pick out keywords. It follows a certain 
format (most of the time). It takes a little doing to get the hang of it, but 
you can do it.
Cheri

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On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 5:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy 
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Hello all,

 
I am new to the group, and just finding my way around.  Everyone is so helpful 
and supportive to us newbies.
 
I am researching
  William Cabral  b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have not found 
anything yet.
 
Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande   Pico de 
Padre
 Came to US 1917     with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her passport 
listing from
 Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William Cabral 
and Mother Julia Motta 

 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
 
I think I found her baptismal record, but cannot read much Only Maria in the 
margin and Cabral in the text.
 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
 
Can someone tell me what the headings are on top of the passport listing, and 
where  I can get the baptismal record translated to see if it actually is her.

 
Are any of these records or any records from that time frame indexed to make my 
search easier?
 
You can post here or send direct as not to take time from others.
 
Thank You.
 
Bill Cabral
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Sorry if I confused anyone,
 
My gf was known as William Cabral here in America, but obvious is actually 
Guilherme Cabral do Rego.
I can now understand why it was family talk that he changed his name from Rego 
to Cabral for unknown reasons. He or US immigration dropped the Rego
 
His wife was known as Mary Sally Cabral inAmerica,  but was actually Maria 
Salome Cabral
Her baptismal record I think is here Maria  # 3 starts on lower left side?
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P133.html
 
In a message dated 1/16/2018 1:36:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
gfsche...@gmail.com writes:

 
Miguel, Thanks, I've never seen Salomé in Portuguese records!


Bill, you need to state which records you need help with. Your Maria will 
probably have a side note listing her marriage to Guilherme.  Cheri

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On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:11 AM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy 
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Thank You Margaret,
 
I will now be able to do further research on him.
 
Any chance you could translate this one to see if it is his wife  Maria

 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P133.html
 
Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande   Pico de 
Padre
 Came to US 1917     with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her passport 
listing from
 Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William Cabral 
and Mother Julia Motta 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2018 9:32:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
margaretvice...@gmail.com writes:
 
Sorry, the Godmother is Guilhermina Isabel.
The Godfather trade was that of "cabouqueiro" stone cutter
 
Margaret

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Bill,
 
I think this may be your William's birth record.  His name is Guilherme
 
Birth date: April 25th 1887
First child of this name born to: Jose Cabral to Rego, carvoeiro [this was a 
profession and it is a person who sells or makes charcoal] natural of Sao 
Vicente Ferreira, and of his wife Julia da Conceicao
Paternal Grandparents: Francisco Cabral do Rego and Maria de Jesus
Maternal Grandparents: Jose Soares e Francisca de Jesus
Godparents: Manuel do Couto, and his wife Guilhermina
 
To confirm you should be ordering their marriage record.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P60.html

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Hello all,

 
I am new to the group, and just finding my way around.  Everyone is so helpful 
and supportive to us newbies.
 
I am researching
  William Cabral  b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have not found 
anything yet.
 
Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande   Pico de 
Padre
 Came to US 1917     with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her passport 
listing from
 Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William Cabral 
and Mother Julia Motta 

 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
 
I think I found her baptismal record, but cannot read much Only Maria in the 
margin and Cabral in the text.
 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
 
Can someone tell me what the headings are on top of the passport listing, and 
where  I can get the baptismal record translated to see if it actually is her.

 
Are any of these records or any records from that time frame indexed to make my 
search easier?
 
You can post here or send direct as not to take time from others.
 
Thank You.
 
Bill Cabral
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Re: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP WITH TRANSLATE

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10-24-89 is what was listed on her death cert.  I will confirm the date with 
other records.
But again, my gf was listed as 4-25-1890 but was actually 4-25-1887
 
Thank you again,
Bill
In a message dated 1/16/2018 2:04:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
margaretvice...@gmail.com writes:

 
Miguel, 
No problem, but there your Maria's birth date of Oct 24 doesn't match this 
record.  
 
No. 53 - Maria
Birthdate: 17-Nov-1889
Baptised: 25-Dec-1889
Parents: Jose Cabral, vendeiro (bartender or store owner/goods seller) and 
Jacinta da Gloria
Paternal Grandparents: Antonio Cabral e Rosa de Jesus
Mat. GP: Manuel Martins and Margarida Julia
Godfather: Manuel Pedro de Almeida, married, worker
 
Took a peak at other Maria's for 1888 and 1889 and none have a Oct 24th birth 
date.
 
Margaret

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 11:11 AM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Thank You Margaret,
 
I will now be able to do further research on him.
 
Any chance you could translate this one to see if it is his wife  Maria

 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P133.html
 
Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande   Pico de 
Padre
 Came to US 1917     with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her passport 
listing from
 Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William Cabral 
and Mother Julia Motta 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2018 9:32:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
margaretvice...@gmail.com writes:
 
Sorry, the Godmother is Guilhermina Isabel.
The Godfather trade was that of "cabouqueiro" stone cutter
 
Margaret

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Bill,
 
I think this may be your William's birth record.  His name is Guilherme
 
Birth date: April 25th 1887
First child of this name born to: Jose Cabral to Rego, carvoeiro [this was a 
profession and it is a person who sells or makes charcoal] natural of Sao 
Vicente Ferreira, and of his wife Julia da Conceicao
Paternal Grandparents: Francisco Cabral do Rego and Maria de Jesus
Maternal Grandparents: Jose Soares e Francisca de Jesus
Godparents: Manuel do Couto, and his wife Guilhermina
 
To confirm you should be ordering their marriage record.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P60.html

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Hello all,

 
I am new to the group, and just finding my way around.  Everyone is so helpful 
and supportive to us newbies.
 
I am researching
  William Cabral  b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have not found 
anything yet.
 
Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande   Pico de 
Padre
 Came to US 1917     with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her passport 
listing from
 Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William Cabral 
and Mother Julia Motta 

 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
 
I think I found her baptismal record, but cannot read much Only Maria in the 
margin and Cabral in the text.
 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
 
Can someone tell me what the headings are on top of the passport listing, and 
where  I can get the baptismal record translated to see if it actually is her.

 
Are any of these records or any records from that time frame indexed to make my 
search easier?
 
You can post here or send direct as not to take time from others.
 
Thank You.
 
Bill Cabral
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Eek gads!!! I just read up on the Biblical name Salomé.

Cheri Mello
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On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 4:48 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Yes, I knew her as Mary Sally Cabral here in America.
>
> In a message dated 1/16/2018 1:28:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> miguelasantos...@gmail.com writes:
>
> I Think it's Maria Salomé Cabral.
>
> Miguel
>
> terça-feira, 16 de Janeiro de 2018 às 04:11:47 UTC-1, Cheri Mello
> escreveu:
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> Passaporte # 258 for Maria Something Cabral...
>> Headings:
>> Year, Month, Day, Passaporte #, Passenger # (left blank), Name, Age,
>> Status (single, married, widowed), Profession, Legitimate (or illegitimate
>> - meaning if person was born out of wedlock), Native of (council &
>> freguesia), Resident of (council & freguesia)Yours is Pico da Pedra
>> (squishy writing)...
>> Page 2 headings:
>> Literacy (I can't tell if it's illiterate or literate - it's in the
>> fold), A bunch of blank columns, An emigrant (yes/no), which class (1st,
>> 2nd, 3rd class passenger), number of times emigrated before (not entirely
>> sure on that column), next 2 columns I can't get, last 2 say where going
>> (America) and city (Bristol in your case).
>>
>> That time period they didn't ask for the parents on the passaportes :(
>>
>> You didn't include Maria's baptism. You sent the Passaportes link twice
>> (oops).
>>
>> Key words for the baptisms can be found on the Azores GenWeb here:
>> https://goo.gl/TkFjWX
>>
>> At the end of that page is a link that will take you to samples where you
>> can compare your record to the online one a pick out keywords. It follows a
>> certain format (most of the time). It takes a little doing to get the hang
>> of it, but you can do it.
>> Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 5:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I am new to the group, and just finding my way around.  Everyone is so
>>> helpful and supportive to us newbies.
>>>
>>> I am researching
>>>  William Cabral  b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have not
>>> found anything yet.
>>>
>>> Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande
>>> Pico de Padre
>>>  Came to US 1917 with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her
>>> passport listing from
>>> Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William
>>> Cabral and Mother Julia Motta
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
>>> PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
>>>
>>> I think I found her baptismal record, but cannot read much Only Maria in
>>> the margin and Cabral in the text.
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
>>> PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
>>>
>>> Can someone tell me what the headings are on top of the passport
>>> listing, and where  I can get the baptismal record translated to see if it
>>> actually is her.
>>>
>>> Are any of these records or any records from that time frame indexed to
>>> make my search easier?
>>>
>>> You can post here or send direct as not to take time from others.
>>>
>>> Thank You.
>>>
>>> Bill Cabral
>>> bill...@aol.com
>>>
>>>
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Yes, I knew her as Mary Sally Cabral here in America. 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2018 1:28:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
miguelasantos...@gmail.com writes:

 
I Think it's Maria Salomé Cabral.
 
Miguel

terça-feira, 16 de Janeiro de 2018 às 04:11:47 UTC-1, Cheri Mello escreveu:
Hi Bill,


Passaporte # 258 for Maria Something Cabral...
Headings: 
Year, Month, Day, Passaporte #, Passenger # (left blank), Name, Age, Status 
(single, married, widowed), Profession, Legitimate (or illegitimate - meaning 
if person was born out of wedlock), Native of (council & freguesia), Resident 
of (council & freguesia)Yours is Pico da Pedra (squishy writing)...
Page 2 headings:
Literacy (I can't tell if it's illiterate or literate - it's in the fold), A 
bunch of blank columns, An emigrant (yes/no), which class (1st, 2nd, 3rd class 
passenger), number of times emigrated before (not entirely sure on that 
column), next 2 columns I can't get, last 2 say where going (America) and city 
(Bristol in your case).



That time period they didn't ask for the parents on the passaportes :(



You didn't include Maria's baptism. You sent the Passaportes link twice (oops).



Key words for the baptisms can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: 
https://goo.gl/TkFjWX


At the end of that page is a link that will take you to samples where you can 
compare your record to the online one a pick out keywords. It follows a certain 
format (most of the time). It takes a little doing to get the hang of it, but 
you can do it.
Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 5:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Hello all,

 
I am new to the group, and just finding my way around.  Everyone is so helpful 
and supportive to us newbies.
 
I am researching
  William Cabral  b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have not found 
anything yet.
 
Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande   Pico de 
Padre
 Came to US 1917     with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her passport 
listing from
 Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William Cabral 
and Mother Julia Motta 

 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
 
I think I found her baptismal record, but cannot read much Only Maria in the 
margin and Cabral in the text.
 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
 
Can someone tell me what the headings are on top of the passport listing, and 
where  I can get the baptismal record translated to see if it actually is her.

 
Are any of these records or any records from that time frame indexed to make my 
search easier?
 
You can post here or send direct as not to take time from others.
 
Thank You.
 
Bill Cabral
bill...@aol.com

 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro de Miranda Family

[Donald Vasconcelos]

Thank you for your response!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 2:06 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have done a lot of research on my Mirandas, and the Mirandas from the other 
> islands. I have never discovered a connection between the S. Miguel Mirandas 
> and the Mirandas from the other islands.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 4:24 PM, Donald Vasconcelos 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi John,
> My great-great grandfather was Antonio de Sousa Miranda born 1806 in 
> Graciosa. Do you know of any of your Miranda’s who ended up in Graciosa. 
> There were Cordeiro’s in Graciosa also.
> Thanks,
> Don Vasconcelos 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 12:08 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear fellow List Members:
>>  
>> As some of you know I have been researching the Miranda family of the Parish 
>> of Bretanha in S. Miguel for many years. There are five main branches, one 
>> of which is the Cordeiro de Miranda family. That particular branch is very 
>> well represented in the Azorean Diaspora that settled in Massachusetts and 
>> in Fortaleza, Ceará, Brazil. My cousin Licínio Nunes de Miranda of Fortaleza 
>> has created a page on Facebook, Familia Cordeiro de Miranda, and would 
>> welcome the participation of any Cordeiro de Mirandas, particularly any 
>> descendants of Francisco Cordeiro de Miranda and his wife Mariana Augusta da 
>> Estrela.
>> Regards,
>> 
>> John Miranda Raposo
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lomba de Maia on Sao Miguel

[Cheri Mello]

Maria S,

You need to add the people you tested to the Azores DNA Project on FTDNA.
If you didn't test though Family Tree DNA (FTDNA), you need to go through
their Autosomal Transfer Program and then join the Azores DNA Project.

If you have DNA tested yourself as well, it is not possible for Bill to
match your daughter and not you. That's called a false positive. It's just
common Iberian stock.

The generation thing (such as 4.1 generations) is very misleading for those
of us from endogamous populations. My dad has a cousin (the first time,
she's a 5th cousin 1x removed, but they are cousins multiple ways). A 5C1R
means the common ancestor is 6th and 7th generation back.  So that should
be a 6.something estimate from GedMatch, but they report my dad's 5C1R as
3.8 generations back - a great or 2 great grandparent. It's a bit off due
to the intermarriage. You need to use the Chromosome Browser and Longest
Blocks in order tell with better certainty what you are looking at with
your matches on GedMatch.

Bill's DNA seems to be matching people of Sao Jorge ancestry more than Sao
Miguel ancestry. More research for Bill T to do! :)
Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)

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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Maria Sousa 
wrote:

> Bill T,
>
> I see you match my daughter on Gedmatch at 4.1 generations.  And, I see
> you are looking for records in Lomba da Maia.  What are the names of your
> Lomba da Maia ancestors?  We have Sousa, Gabriel, Sampaio, Medeiros.
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> His email address is the very first line of the message. Just take the
>> word "at" and put in the @ symbol.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Tammy Jesso 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bill
>>>
>>> Send me your email address to graciosa1genealog...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Tammy Jesso
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>> Repost for Bill T, tacmac2100 at sbcglobal.net
>>>
>>> Tammy, I would appreciate a copy of your Lomba da Maia indexes as well,
>>> please I know I am a bit late as its now 2018 I hope the offer still
>>> stands Thank you very much. Bill
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lomba de Maia on Sao Miguel

[Maria Sousa]

Bill T,

I see you match my daughter on Gedmatch at 4.1 generations.  And, I see you
are looking for records in Lomba da Maia.  What are the names of your Lomba
da Maia ancestors?  We have Sousa, Gabriel, Sampaio, Medeiros.

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> His email address is the very first line of the message. Just take the
> word "at" and put in the @ symbol.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Tammy Jesso 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Bill
>>
>> Send me your email address to graciosa1genealog...@gmail.com
>>
>> Tammy Jesso
>>
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> Repost for Bill T, tacmac2100 at sbcglobal.net
>>
>> Tammy, I would appreciate a copy of your Lomba da Maia indexes as well,
>> please I know I am a bit late as its now 2018 I hope the offer still
>> stands Thank you very much. Bill
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro de Miranda Family

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

I have done a lot of research on my Mirandas, and the Mirandas from the other 
islands. I have never discovered a connection between the S. Miguel Mirandas 
and the Mirandas from the other islands.
John
 

On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 4:24 PM, Donald Vasconcelos 
 wrote:
 

 Hi John,My great-great grandfather was Antonio de Sousa Miranda born 1806 in 
Graciosa. Do you know of any of your Miranda’s who ended up in Graciosa. There 
were Cordeiro’s in Graciosa also.Thanks,Don Vasconcelos 

Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 16, 2018, at 12:08 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:


Dear fellow List Members: As some of you know I have beenresearching the 
Miranda family of the Parish of Bretanha in S. Miguel for many years. Thereare 
five main branches, one of which is the Cordeiro de Miranda family. 
Thatparticular branch is very well represented in the Azorean Diaspora that 
settledin Massachusetts and in Fortaleza, Ceará, Brazil. My cousin Licínio 
Nunes deMiranda of Fortaleza has created a page on Facebook, Familia Cordeiro 
de Miranda, and would welcome the participation ofany Cordeiro de Mirandas, 
particularly any descendants of Francisco Cordeiro deMiranda and his wife 
Mariana Augusta da Estrela.Regards,
John Miranda Raposo
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro de Miranda Family

[Donald Vasconcelos]

Hi John,
My great-great grandfather was Antonio de Sousa Miranda born 1806 in Graciosa. 
Do you know of any of your Miranda’s who ended up in Graciosa. There were 
Cordeiro’s in Graciosa also.
Thanks,
Don Vasconcelos 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 12:08 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear fellow List Members:
>  
> As some of you know I have been researching the Miranda family of the Parish 
> of Bretanha in S. Miguel for many years. There are five main branches, one of 
> which is the Cordeiro de Miranda family. That particular branch is very well 
> represented in the Azorean Diaspora that settled in Massachusetts and in 
> Fortaleza, Ceará, Brazil. My cousin Licínio Nunes de Miranda of Fortaleza has 
> created a page on Facebook, Familia Cordeiro de Miranda, and would welcome 
> the participation of any Cordeiro de Mirandas, particularly any descendants 
> of Francisco Cordeiro de Miranda and his wife Mariana Augusta da Estrela.
> Regards,
> 
> John Miranda Raposo
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro de Miranda Family

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

Might be. They certainly have the same ancestors. All of the Bretanha Mirandas 
have the same trunk. And the different branches also intermarried. Good luck!
John
 

On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 3:34 PM, Joanne Mercier 
 wrote:
 

 #yiv4469105090 body{font-family:Goudy Old Style, Arial;font-size:18px;}I 
haven’t done much on this particular branch of my family tree but I have a 
great aunt who married into the Vivieros Miranda family from Bretanha. Would 
they be a connection to this line?
Thanks.Joanne Grota Mercier 
  
On January 16, 2018 at 3:30:57 PM, nancy jean baptiste 
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Thank you John,
There's a woman in theAzores DNA Project than I told to contact you because 
she's lookingfor an unknown bio father and you show as a good cousin 
match.Debbie? Maybe she connects to the Mass Miranda's since she lives inNew 
Bedford area.
Best regards,Nancy JeanFrom:azores@googlegroups.com  
on behalfof Rosemarie Capodicci 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 2:26:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro de MirandaFamily Thanks,John. Don't 
connect with them but I'm sure there are people on thislist that will connect. 

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On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 12:08 PM, 'JohnRaposo' via Azores Genealogy 
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Dear fellow List Members: As some of you know I have been researching the 
Miranda family ofthe Parish of Bretanha in S. Miguel for many years. There are 
fivemain branches, one of which is the Cordeiro de Miranda family. 
Thatparticular branch is very well represented in the Azorean Diasporathat 
settled in Massachusetts and in Fortaleza, Ceará, Brazil. Mycousin Licínio 
Nunes de Miranda of Fortaleza has created a page onFacebook, FamiliaCordeiro de 
Miranda, and would welcome the participation of anyCordeiro de Mirandas, 
particularly any descendants of FranciscoCordeiro de Miranda and his wife 
Mariana Augusta daEstrela.Regards,
John Miranda Raposo
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro de Miranda Family

[Joanne Mercier]

I haven’t done much on this particular branch of my family tree but I have
a great aunt who married into the Vivieros Miranda family from Bretanha.
Would they be a connection to this line?

Thanks.
Joanne Grota Mercier


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fishsongf...@hotmail.com) wrote:

Thank you John,


There's a woman in the Azores DNA Project than I told to contact you
because she's looking for an unknown bio father and you show as a good
cousin match. Debbie? Maybe she connects to the Mass Miranda's since she
lives in New Bedford area.


Best regards,

Nancy Jean
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*Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro de Miranda Family

Thanks, John. Don't connect with them but I'm sure there are people on this
list that will connect.


Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 12:08 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
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Dear fellow List Members:

As some of you know I have been researching the Miranda family of the
Parish of Bretanha in S. Miguel for many years. There are five main
branches, one of which is the Cordeiro de Miranda family. That particular
branch is very well represented in the Azorean Diaspora that settled in
Massachusetts and in Fortaleza, Ceará, Brazil. My cousin Licínio Nunes de
Miranda of Fortaleza has created a page on Facebook, *Familia Cordeiro de
Miranda*, and would welcome the participation of any Cordeiro de Mirandas,
particularly any descendants of Francisco Cordeiro de Miranda and his wife
Mariana Augusta da Estrela.
Regards,

John Miranda Raposo
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro de Miranda Family

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thank you John,


There's a woman in the Azores DNA Project than I told to contact you because 
she's looking for an unknown bio father and you show as a good cousin match. 
Debbie? Maybe she connects to the Mass Miranda's since she lives in New Bedford 
area.


Best regards,

Nancy Jean


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Capodicci 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 2:26:39 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro de Miranda Family

Thanks, John. Don't connect with them but I'm sure there are people on this 
list that will connect.


Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 12:08 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
> wrote:
Dear fellow List Members:

As some of you know I have been researching the Miranda family of the Parish of 
Bretanha in S. Miguel for many years. There are five main branches, one of 
which is the Cordeiro de Miranda family. That particular branch is very well 
represented in the Azorean Diaspora that settled in Massachusetts and in 
Fortaleza, Ceará, Brazil. My cousin Licínio Nunes de Miranda of Fortaleza has 
created a page on Facebook, Familia Cordeiro de Miranda, and would welcome the 
participation of any Cordeiro de Mirandas, particularly any descendants of 
Francisco Cordeiro de Miranda and his wife Mariana Augusta da Estrela.
Regards,

John Miranda Raposo

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro de Miranda Family

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Thanks, John. Don't connect with them but I'm sure there are people on this
list that will connect.


Rosemarie
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On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 12:08 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Dear fellow List Members:
>
> As some of you know I have been researching the Miranda family of the
> Parish of Bretanha in S. Miguel for many years. There are five main
> branches, one of which is the Cordeiro de Miranda family. That particular
> branch is very well represented in the Azorean Diaspora that settled in
> Massachusetts and in Fortaleza, Ceará, Brazil. My cousin Licínio Nunes de
> Miranda of Fortaleza has created a page on Facebook, *Familia Cordeiro de
> Miranda*, and would welcome the participation of any Cordeiro de
> Mirandas, particularly any descendants of Francisco Cordeiro de Miranda and
> his wife Mariana Augusta da Estrela.
> Regards,
>
> John Miranda Raposo
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores tours

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Hi Sam,
This is a wonderful tour guide, Gary Travassos that we have used three times on 
Sao Miguel.

http://www.azoreantours.com 

Susan Vargas Murphy

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 12:12 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
> 
> Sam, I check this site from time to time for tours. Cannot recommend yes or 
> no as I have not tried them yet. You might want to check them out cor their 
> Azores tours at Portugal.com website. 
> 
> "E"
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores tours

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Sam, I check this site from time to time for tours. Cannot recommend yes or no 
as I have not tried them yet. You might want to check them out cor their Azores 
tours at Portugal.com website. 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro de Miranda Family

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Dear fellow List Members: As some of you know I have beenresearching the 
Miranda family of the Parish of Bretanha in S. Miguel for many years. Thereare 
five main branches, one of which is the Cordeiro de Miranda family. 
Thatparticular branch is very well represented in the Azorean Diaspora that 
settledin Massachusetts and in Fortaleza, Ceará, Brazil. My cousin Licínio 
Nunes deMiranda of Fortaleza has created a page on Facebook, Familia Cordeiro 
de Miranda, and would welcome the participation ofany Cordeiro de Mirandas, 
particularly any descendants of Francisco Cordeiro deMiranda and his wife 
Mariana Augusta da Estrela.Regards,
John Miranda Raposo

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lomba de Maia on Sao Miguel

[Cheri Mello]

His email address is the very first line of the message. Just take the word
"at" and put in the @ symbol.

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On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Tammy Jesso 
wrote:

> Hi Bill
>
> Send me your email address to graciosa1genealog...@gmail.com
>
> Tammy Jesso
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Repost for Bill T, tacmac2100 at sbcglobal.net
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> Tammy, I would appreciate a copy of your Lomba da Maia indexes as well,
> please I know I am a bit late as its now 2018 I hope the offer still
> stands Thank you very much. Bill
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lomba de Maia on Sao Miguel

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Hi Bill 

Send me your email address to graciosa1genealog...@gmail.com

Tammy Jesso


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Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP WITH TRANSLATE

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Miguel,
No problem, but there your Maria's birth date of Oct 24 doesn't match this
record.

No. 53 - Maria
Birthdate: 17-Nov-1889
Baptised: 25-Dec-1889
Parents: Jose Cabral, vendeiro (bartender or store owner/goods seller) and
Jacinta da Gloria
Paternal Grandparents: Antonio Cabral e Rosa de Jesus
Mat. GP: Manuel Martins and Margarida Julia
Godfather: Manuel Pedro de Almeida, married, worker

Took a peak at other Maria's for 1888 and 1889 and none have a Oct 24th
birth date.

Margaret

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 11:11 AM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thank You Margaret,
>
> I will now be able to do further research on him.
>
> Any chance you could translate this one to see if it is his wife  Maria
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P133.html
>
> Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande
> Pico de Padre
>  Came to US 1917 with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her
> passport listing from
> Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William
> Cabral and Mother Julia Motta
>
> In a message dated 1/16/2018 9:32:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> margaretvice...@gmail.com writes:
>
> Sorry, the Godmother is Guilhermina Isabel.
> The Godfather trade was that of "cabouqueiro" stone cutter
>
> Margaret
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I think this may be your William's birth record.  His name is Guilherme
>>
>> Birth date: April 25th 1887
>> First child of this name born to: Jose Cabral to Rego, carvoeiro [this
>> was a profession and it is a person who sells or makes charcoal] natural of
>> Sao Vicente Ferreira, and of his wife Julia da Conceicao
>> Paternal Grandparents: Francisco Cabral do Rego and Maria de Jesus
>> Maternal Grandparents: Jose Soares e Francisca de Jesus
>> Godparents: Manuel do Couto, and his wife Guilhermina
>>
>> To confirm you should be ordering their marriage record.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-
>> PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P60.html
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I am new to the group, and just finding my way around.  Everyone is so
>>> helpful and supportive to us newbies.
>>>
>>> I am researching
>>>  William Cabral  b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have not
>>> found anything yet.
>>>
>>> Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande
>>> Pico de Padre
>>>  Came to US 1917 with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her
>>> passport listing from
>>> Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William
>>> Cabral and Mother Julia Motta
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS
>>> SAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
>>>
>>> I think I found her baptismal record, but cannot read much Only Maria in
>>> the margin and Cabral in the text.
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS
>>> SAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
>>>
>>> Can someone tell me what the headings are on top of the passport
>>> listing, and where  I can get the baptismal record translated to see if it
>>> actually is her.
>>>
>>> Are any of these records or any records from that time frame indexed to
>>> make my search easier?
>>>
>>> You can post here or send direct as not to take time from others.
>>>
>>> Thank You.
>>>
>>> Bill Cabral
>>> bill2...@aol.com
>>>
>>>
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Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP WITH TRANSLATE

[Cheri Mello]

Miguel, Thanks, I've never seen Salomé in Portuguese records!

Bill, you need to state which records you need help with. Your Maria will
probably have a side note listing her marriage to Guilherme.  Cheri

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On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:11 AM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thank You Margaret,
>
> I will now be able to do further research on him.
>
> Any chance you could translate this one to see if it is his wife  Maria
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P133.html
>
> Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande
> Pico de Padre
>  Came to US 1917 with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her
> passport listing from
> Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William
> Cabral and Mother Julia Motta
>
> In a message dated 1/16/2018 9:32:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> margaretvice...@gmail.com writes:
>
> Sorry, the Godmother is Guilhermina Isabel.
> The Godfather trade was that of "cabouqueiro" stone cutter
>
> Margaret
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I think this may be your William's birth record.  His name is Guilherme
>>
>> Birth date: April 25th 1887
>> First child of this name born to: Jose Cabral to Rego, carvoeiro [this
>> was a profession and it is a person who sells or makes charcoal] natural of
>> Sao Vicente Ferreira, and of his wife Julia da Conceicao
>> Paternal Grandparents: Francisco Cabral do Rego and Maria de Jesus
>> Maternal Grandparents: Jose Soares e Francisca de Jesus
>> Godparents: Manuel do Couto, and his wife Guilhermina
>>
>> To confirm you should be ordering their marriage record.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-
>> PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P60.html
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I am new to the group, and just finding my way around.  Everyone is so
>>> helpful and supportive to us newbies.
>>>
>>> I am researching
>>>  William Cabral  b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have not
>>> found anything yet.
>>>
>>> Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande
>>> Pico de Padre
>>>  Came to US 1917 with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her
>>> passport listing from
>>> Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William
>>> Cabral and Mother Julia Motta
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS
>>> SAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
>>>
>>> I think I found her baptismal record, but cannot read much Only Maria in
>>> the margin and Cabral in the text.
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS
>>> SAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
>>>
>>> Can someone tell me what the headings are on top of the passport
>>> listing, and where  I can get the baptismal record translated to see if it
>>> actually is her.
>>>
>>> Are any of these records or any records from that time frame indexed to
>>> make my search easier?
>>>
>>> You can post here or send direct as not to take time from others.
>>>
>>> Thank You.
>>>
>>> Bill Cabral
>>> bill2...@aol.com
>>>
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Lomba de Maia on Sao Miguel

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Bill T, tacmac2100 at sbcglobal.net

Tammy, I would appreciate a copy of your Lomba da Maia indexes as well,
please I know I am a bit late as its now 2018 I hope the offer still stands
Thank you very much. Bill

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Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP WITH TRANSLATE

[bill2232 via Azores Genealogy]

Thank You Margaret,
 
I will now be able to do further research on him.
 
Any chance you could translate this one to see if it is his wife  Maria 
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P133.html
 
Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande   Pico de 
Padre
 Came to US 1917     with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her passport 
listing from
 Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William Cabral 
and Mother Julia Motta 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2018 9:32:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
margaretvice...@gmail.com writes:

 
Sorry, the Godmother is Guilhermina Isabel.
The Godfather trade was that of "cabouqueiro" stone cutter
 
Margaret

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Bill,
 
I think this may be your William's birth record.  His name is Guilherme 
 
Birth date: April 25th 1887
First child of this name born to: Jose Cabral to Rego, carvoeiro [this was a 
profession and it is a person who sells or makes charcoal] natural of Sao 
Vicente Ferreira, and of his wife Julia da Conceicao
Paternal Grandparents: Francisco Cabral do Rego and Maria de Jesus
Maternal Grandparents: Jose Soares e Francisca de Jesus
Godparents: Manuel do Couto, and his wife Guilhermina 
 
To confirm you should be ordering their marriage record.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P60.html

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Hello all,

 
I am new to the group, and just finding my way around.  Everyone is so helpful 
and supportive to us newbies.
 
I am researching
  William Cabral  b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have not found 
anything yet.
 
Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande   Pico de 
Padre
 Came to US 1917     with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her passport 
listing from
 Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William Cabral 
and Mother Julia Motta 

 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
 
I think I found her baptismal record, but cannot read much Only Maria in the 
margin and Cabral in the text.
 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
 
Can someone tell me what the headings are on top of the passport listing, and 
where  I can get the baptismal record translated to see if it actually is her.

 
Are any of these records or any records from that time frame indexed to make my 
search easier?
 
You can post here or send direct as not to take time from others.
 
Thank You.
 
Bill Cabral
bill2...@aol.com

 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP WITH TRANSLATE

[Turlu]

I Think it's Maria Salomé Cabral.

Miguel

terça-feira, 16 de Janeiro de 2018 às 04:11:47 UTC-1, Cheri Mello escreveu:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Passaporte # 258 for Maria Something Cabral...
> Headings: 
> Year, Month, Day, Passaporte #, Passenger # (left blank), Name, Age, 
> Status (single, married, widowed), Profession, Legitimate (or illegitimate 
> - meaning if person was born out of wedlock), Native of (council & 
> freguesia), Resident of (council & freguesia)Yours is Pico da Pedra 
> (squishy writing)...
> Page 2 headings:
> Literacy (I can't tell if it's illiterate or literate - it's in the fold), 
> A bunch of blank columns, An emigrant (yes/no), which class (1st, 2nd, 3rd 
> class passenger), number of times emigrated before (not entirely sure on 
> that column), next 2 columns I can't get, last 2 say where going (America) 
> and city (Bristol in your case).
>
> That time period they didn't ask for the parents on the passaportes :(
>
> You didn't include Maria's baptism. You sent the Passaportes link twice 
> (oops).
>
> Key words for the baptisms can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: 
> https://goo.gl/TkFjWX
>
> At the end of that page is a link that will take you to samples where you 
> can compare your record to the online one a pick out keywords. It follows a 
> certain format (most of the time). It takes a little doing to get the hang 
> of it, but you can do it.
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 5:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I am new to the group, and just finding my way around.  Everyone is so 
>> helpful and supportive to us newbies.
>>
>> I am researching
>>  William Cabral  b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have not 
>> found anything yet.
>>
>> Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande   
>> Pico de Padre
>>  Came to US 1917 with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her 
>> passport listing from
>> Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William 
>> Cabral and Mother Julia Motta 
>>
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
>>
>> I think I found her baptismal record, but cannot read much Only Maria in 
>> the margin and Cabral in the text.
>>
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
>>
>> Can someone tell me what the headings are on top of the passport listing, 
>> and where  I can get the baptismal record translated to see if it actually 
>> is her.
>>
>> Are any of these records or any records from that time frame indexed to 
>> make my search easier?
>>
>> You can post here or send direct as not to take time from others.
>>
>> Thank You.
>>
>> Bill Cabral
>> bill...@aol.com 
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP WITH TRANSLATE

[Margaret Vicente]

Sorry, the Godmother is Guilhermina Isabel.
The Godfather trade was that of "cabouqueiro" stone cutter

Margaret

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Bill,
>
> I think this may be your William's birth record.  His name is Guilherme
>
> Birth date: April 25th 1887
> First child of this name born to: Jose Cabral to Rego, carvoeiro [this was
> a profession and it is a person who sells or makes charcoal] natural of Sao
> Vicente Ferreira, and of his wife Julia da Conceicao
> Paternal Grandparents: Francisco Cabral do Rego and Maria de Jesus
> Maternal Grandparents: Jose Soares e Francisca de Jesus
> Godparents: Manuel do Couto, and his wife Guilhermina
>
> To confirm you should be ordering their marriage record.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P60.html
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I am new to the group, and just finding my way around.  Everyone is so
>> helpful and supportive to us newbies.
>>
>> I am researching
>>  William Cabral  b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have not
>> found anything yet.
>>
>> Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande
>> Pico de Padre
>>  Came to US 1917 with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her
>> passport listing from
>> Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William
>> Cabral and Mother Julia Motta
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
>> PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
>>
>> I think I found her baptismal record, but cannot read much Only Maria in
>> the margin and Cabral in the text.
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
>> PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
>>
>> Can someone tell me what the headings are on top of the passport listing,
>> and where  I can get the baptismal record translated to see if it actually
>> is her.
>>
>> Are any of these records or any records from that time frame indexed to
>> make my search easier?
>>
>> You can post here or send direct as not to take time from others.
>>
>> Thank You.
>>
>> Bill Cabral
>> bill2...@aol.com
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP WITH TRANSLATE

[Margaret Vicente]

Bill,

I think this may be your William's birth record.  His name is Guilherme

Birth date: April 25th 1887
First child of this name born to: Jose Cabral to Rego, carvoeiro [this was
a profession and it is a person who sells or makes charcoal] natural of Sao
Vicente Ferreira, and of his wife Julia da Conceicao
Paternal Grandparents: Francisco Cabral do Rego and Maria de Jesus
Maternal Grandparents: Jose Soares e Francisca de Jesus
Godparents: Manuel do Couto, and his wife Guilhermina

To confirm you should be ordering their marriage record.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P60.html

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am new to the group, and just finding my way around.  Everyone is so
> helpful and supportive to us newbies.
>
> I am researching
>  William Cabral  b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have not
> found anything yet.
>
> Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b  10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel   Riberia Grande
> Pico de Padre
>  Came to US 1917 with son Jose and daughter Maria   I found her
> passport listing from
> Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William
> Cabral and Mother Julia Motta
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
> digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
>
> I think I found her baptismal record, but cannot read much Only Maria in
> the margin and Cabral in the text.
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
> digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html
>
> Can someone tell me what the headings are on top of the passport listing,
> and where  I can get the baptismal record translated to see if it actually
> is her.
>
> Are any of these records or any records from that time frame indexed to
> make my search easier?
>
> You can post here or send direct as not to take time from others.
>
> Thank You.
>
> Bill Cabral
> bill2...@aol.com
>
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