Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I’m sorry too! He’s 83 now, so a sorrow that just doesn’t go away :(
Susan 

> On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> 
> I would think *most* people would be just bones? There are always exceptions. 
> So sorry your cousin saw that.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:10 AM Maria Lima  wrote:
>> Susan, thanks for sharing this- very moving.  I can’t imagine...
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you Monica for the image.
>>> 
>>> I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more 
>>> like what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.
>>> 
>>> Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins 
>>> telling us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on 
>>> Faial) that he witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me 
>>> this in the 1960s and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I 
>>> thought it was my great grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s 
>>> side). I felt so bad because he started to cry because he saw her red hair 
>>> and she was recognizable to him. His wife seemed to indicate that a family 
>>> member had to be present. I was so sorry I had brought the subject up and i 
>>> would think it would be such a painful experience for anyone to have to 
>>> witness this. Have any of you heard that there (used to be at least) this 
>>> custom?
>>> 
>>> Susan Vargas Murphy   
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello, 
>>>> 
>>>> I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an 
>>>> ossuary.
>>>> 
>>>> My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list 
>>>> to exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave 
>>>> of bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same 
>>>> cemetery. There was a fee.
>>>> 
>>>> I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being 
>>>> blessed by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3&theater
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Monica
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anthony said:
>>>>> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
>>>>> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
>>>>> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images 
>>>>> tab):
>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ossuary
>>>>> 
>>>>> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
>>>>> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one 
>>>>> in another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. 
>>>>> I don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in 
>>>>> marked graves.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope this helps, 
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/fe1bd3e3-1763-4448-aabc-33da4183de3e%40googlegroups.com.
>>> -- 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Thank you Monica for the image.

I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more like 
what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.

Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins telling 
us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on Faial) that he 
witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me this in the 1960s 
and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I thought it was my great 
grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s side). I felt so bad because 
he started to cry because he saw her red hair and she was recognizable to him. 
His wife seemed to indicate that a family member had to be present. I was so 
sorry I had brought the subject up and i would think it would be such a painful 
experience for anyone to have to witness this. Have any of you heard that there 
(used to be at least) this custom?

Susan Vargas Murphy   

> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an ossuary.
> 
> My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list to 
> exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave of 
> bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same 
> cemetery. There was a fee.
> 
> I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being blessed 
> by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3&theater
> 
> Thanks
> Monica
> 
>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
>> 
>> Anthony said:
>> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>> 
>> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
>> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
>> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images tab):
>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ossuary
>> 
>> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
>> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in 
>> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I 
>> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked 
>> graves.
>> 
>> Hope this helps, 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/fe1bd3e3-1763-4448-aabc-33da4183de3e%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/B1A5D4D3-5F3C-4700-A862-DBA0FD2D4359%40aol.com.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Delta will discontinue flying to Ponta Delgada, Azores in 2020

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

There is a new flight from San Francisco non stop to Lisbon this year. I just 
booked it to go with my daughter’s family to the Azores. Also flying TAP from 
Lisbon to Sao Miguel and to leave flying TAp from Terceira to Lisbon. I left 
only getting to Faial and then Faial to Terceira on SATA as I’ve had such bad 
luck with them!! The inter island flights have not been too bad. 
Tap was stop over offer, which did not work for me, but if you want to go to an 
island to which TAP flies, you could have a “free” stop over in either Porto or 
Lisbon either coming or going. 

Susan Vargas Murphy 

> On Oct 26, 2019, at 12:39 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
> 
> For those of you doing a genealogy trip in 2020, Delta Airlines will no 
> longer have flights from NY to Ponta Delgada in 2020. The only alternative 
> that I can see is SATA Airlines.  Wonder if it had something to do with Delta 
> plane malfunction this past year.  Delta will still be flying into Lisbon. 
> Guess you could go to Azores from Lisbon as an alternative. 
> 
> “E”
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/F6BF016E-F852-494B-A5CD-8E9567C7C8B6%40gmail.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/16EE6021-55E3-4DBE-9183-60AA3DC47000%40aol.com.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Thank you very much John! I think I read this years ago but it
Was very good to read again and I will file in a place for safe keeping!

Susan Vargas Murphy 

>> On Oct 6, 2019, at 6:22 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Here is the work on expostos by Eloise Cadinha. Some years ago she shared it 
> with me and she also gave me permission to share it. It has been published on 
> this list before. I know because I get e-mails from people who have found it 
> and either want more information, want to express their surprise at how awful 
> this situation was, and to express their appreciation for Eloise's hard work 
> and erudition on this subject.
> 
> You will not find very much on this subject. Until recent times it was taboo 
> just as slavery in the Azores is and as Jewish roots used to be. Times 
> change, and what might have been an uncomfortable discussion 50 years ago is 
> now open for discussion. I am waiting for some serious research on slavery in 
> the Azores.
> 
> What follows is the work done by Eloise for whom I have much admiration and 
> to whom I owe much for her sharing erudition.:
> 
> Most of us as we research our ancestors will find an exposto or two.  It is 
> indeed miraculous that they were able to survive to adulthood, to marry and 
> to have children. 
> Expostos - a translation : A very sad situation.
> Eloise Cadinha
> (The following is my poor translation/distillation of part of an article 
> written by Henrique Bras (1884-) in Boletim de Instituto Histórico da Ilha 
> Terceira, 1947.)
> In the last three centuries there is a long list of filhos da igreja 
> (children of the church), also known at times in baptismal records in the 
> parish registers of Terceira, as children of unknown fathers and mothers 
> (filho(a) de pais incógnitos), who were often baptized with the most noble or 
> notable or the very rich people of Terceira serving as godparents.  In more 
> recent times the number of children secretly abandoned at the rodas (wheels) 
> had greatly increased, despite the many recently born innocents who died when 
> abandoned, and the few for whom the fear of discovery, still did not keep 
> them from being strangled before seeing the light of day.  Providing support 
> for these children who survived became one of the most difficult problems for 
> the various city halls on the island, demanding a new special tax...which the 
> people agreed was needed but not without grumbling and finding fault with the 
> new tax. 
> 
> On April 29, 1800, the Conde de Almada, Captain General of the Azores in 
> Angra, informed an official of the Royal Court that in the last ten years the 
> Cathedral had annually registered the baptism of an average of 97 expostos 
> and also registered an average of 83 who had died!  And this number was only 
> of those engeitados (abandoned ones) who had arrived at the Cathedral to be 
> baptized, those that had been left in the Casa da Roda, and this number was 
> only for Angra. 
> The city council continued without resources to provide for these children 
> and thought about creating a lottery for that purpose. 
> It needs to be said: with a population of about 10 to 12 thousand people, 
> there were yearly on an average 97 newborn abandoned children of unknown 
> parents, legally registered and of which 83 of these died -- naturally by 
> affectionate handling, sheltered and well wrapped care.
> [Translator’s note: the author mentions Carlota, a weaver of Angels, from the 
> famous  novel by Eça de Queiroz. I asked a cousin if he knew of this novel, O 
> Crime do Padre Amaro, and he said  that he had read it long ago, and it was 
> about a woman who got rid of unwanted infants. She killed them by wrapping 
> them up and drowning them in the river.  She was referred to as something 
> like the "maker of angels," (tecedeira de anjos) the idea being that she was 
> creating angels by killing the babies.]
> On October 20, 1782, the vicar of the diocese of Angra, Dr. João Vieira de 
> Bettencourt, commissioned the rector of the Cathedral, Pedro da Cãmara 
> Merens, to organize a separate book to register the baptisms and deaths of 
> these abandoned children.
> In the year of 1783 there were registered 120 baptisms and 81 deaths of 
> expostos:
> In 1784, 94 baptisms, 73 deaths;
> In 1785, 97 baptisms, 86 deaths;
> In 1786, 94 baptisms, 105 deaths;
> In 1787, 86 baptisms, 100 deaths;
> In 1788, 100 baptisms;
> In 1789, 95 baptisms.
> There were no deaths recorded for the years 1788 and 1789 but resumed again 
> the following year.  One can see that in 10 years the births and deaths of 
> the foundlings was astounding. 
> Painful emotions squeeze the soul when one looks through the pages, tiny 
> tragedies sown through this separate book of the Cathedral.  The records 
> indicate the names of the amas (wet-nurses) nominated by city hall for each 
> exposto.  They were single women, 'loose' women, married women and widows. 
> In t

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family size survey

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

19 kids from one wife,
Born 1865-1895, no twins 

(Not my ancestors but my aunt my marriage’s grandparentsin my 
database...was not sure if they needed to be my ancestors) 

Susan Vargas Murphy 

> On Sep 24, 2019, at 5:34 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Can you all let me know the largest Azorean family you have in your database? 
> I prefer the late 1800s onwards, and it must be from ONE wife. All kids, 
> whether or not they lived to adulthood.
> 
> Example: 14 kids from ONE wife, includes one set of twins. Kids born from 
> 1890-1913.
> 
> Thanks, Cheri
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_HCyuCkfb9HxHAtpLSQT5ae6ub9PiO7NtrubmXYets1RQ%40mail.gmail.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/ECB39EA6-A072-4E7B-B365-7D15816D3111%40aol.com.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] For those who tested their mtDNA on FTDNA: The videos are out

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I don’t have it either Cheri! 

Susan 

> On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:26 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> I emailed, but I don't think I'll have the answer until tomorrow. Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 7:15 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> OK, I'll find out why.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 8:56 PM Rosemarie Capodicci  
>>> wrote:
>>> I don't have that icon on my Mtdna. 
>>> 
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 4:57 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
 For those who tested their mtDNA on Family Tree DNA (FTDNA), the mtDNA 
 videos are ready!
 
 Log into your account. Scroll down to the mtDNA section and click on mtDNA 
 Journey: 
 
 
 Here's my dad's mtDNA video (his mtDNA line is NOT Portuguese).
 https://www.familytreedna.com/mtdna-journey-videos/5d38ece2c9e77c00019b7356
 
 I am dying to know how badly the computer voice messes up the name João!
 
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
 Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 -- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
 "Azores Genealogy" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
 email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 To view this discussion on the web visit 
 https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_EHHWmB00DPwV5Thf-bM4QbT_4TZzPgVjkf5rjReXXHzg%40mail.gmail.com.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKnzR7nvNMrvogPquMSGQ0FM%3DkJ2PyaGZLsdG7-b0vVZXGfnPw%40mail.gmail.com.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_EDrJ%2Br4b3tvH7EWiKd%3D9%3Dv6%3DbSG_uiSnpEtrJ%3DXvV51A%40mail.gmail.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/F2535DE1-2A50-433F-ABA8-62DF7653FCCC%40aol.com.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pedro Miguel, Faial Confession Rolls

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Dear Diane,

My dear father was able to spend his time copying these records when we visited 
in 1996! The parish priest allowed us to borrow them. I am so happy that they 
are finally available to others via my friend Kathy Andrade Cardoza’s posting 
on the Azores Gen Web!! It’s wonderful to hear that you are getting so much out 
of them!  

It’s a mystery about the other villages... I’ve heard rumors that there might 
be some. I know there are some for São Jorge.

Thanks for your post!
Susan   Vargas Murphy 

> On Jul 6, 2019, at 10:25 AM, Shakti <3sistersgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This is a wonderful resource !  My family is from Pedro Miguel, and I'm 
> excited to find so many of my relatives and families I've heard stories of, 
> for many years. I'm blessed to still have my father at 95, Francisco Dutra 
> DaSilveira,  his mind is still strong and even now, walks a mile a day.  The 
> names he remembers are by the nicknames they used the most, which doesn't 
> help. :) But having fun reading through these, verifying my family tree.  Do 
> you know if there are more of these in other villages on Faial?  I visited in 
> 2017 and was able to get information from my cousins there and planning for a 
> trip in 2020.
> 
> Thank you for this great info !
> 
> Darlene 
> 
>> On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 2:56:43 PM UTC-7, Kathy Cardoza wrote:
>> Hi Everyone
>> 
>> I wanted to let you all know of a new addition to the Azores GenWeb site. If 
>> you have ancestors from Pedro Miguel, Faial, then you will be interested in 
>> the newly posted Confession Rolls from there. They don’t cover all years, 
>> but many years between 1853 and 1908. If you’re not familiar with these gems 
>> of info, they are almost like a census. Each family is grouped together by 
>> address, showing head of household and all other family members living 
>> there. Their relationship to the head of household is also given as well as 
>> their age and often, their occupation. They are a wonderful resource to 
>> track a family and its members through the years. These files were 
>> generously shared by our member, Susan Vargas Murphy, and are available for 
>> your viewing and for download. Enjoy!
>> 
>> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/faial/pedro-miguel-confession/
>> 
>> Kathy Cardoza
>> Coordinator, Azores GenWeb
>> ~~~
>> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
>>  http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/
>> ~~~
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/902ab07d-f61d-41f3-aaf6-739fc3c6717c%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/50E78F42-706A-441F-B6E4-847CD8E5EDF3%40aol.com.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Thinking of Sao Miguel in Spring of next year.

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I can highly recommend the guide Gary Travassos I’ve used him three times 
in São Miguel 

You can email me off the list if you have questions but his website is 
informative:

https://www.azoreantours.com/

Susan Vargas Murphy 

> On Jun 21, 2019, at 4:16 PM, 'Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone give recommendations for staying in Vila Franca do Campo and Ponta 
> Garca? Guide? How about good eats!
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Lillian
> 
> Furtado, Gomes
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/0f2ec54a-e331-4a0f-9e48-2d222cc4a8cd%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/4FADC834-E12F-468C-8A38-C15B27C9F7A8%40aol.com.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Where can I find U.P.E.C. rolls

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Your are welcome Lynn W……and you know it was our labor of love Cheri!  Kathy 
and I have had such good times on our trips to SLC……I am sorry I can’t join you 
this year but we are leaving on a “History Trip” with two grandsons on Monday 
and won’t be back until we celebrate the Fourth of July in Washington DC!!

It is so good to hear that people are benefitting from our work!

Susan 

> On Jun 14, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Lynn W,
> 
> I didn't do the site. Or the work for the UPEC records. The work for the 
> records was done by Kathy Cardoza and Susan Vargas Murphy. They made many 
> trips to Salt Lake City (from California and Washington) and made digital 
> copies of these records from what was microfilmed. It is a complete set of 
> what was microfilmed by FamilySearch back in the day. It probably is NOT a 
> complete set of the UPEC books that are out there. Like many record sets, 
> there may be some missing. So keep that in mind. The thanks goes to Kathy 
> Cardoza and Susan Vargas Murphy for making those trips and to Kathy Cardoza 
> for working and maintaining the Azores GenWeb site. Both ladies are members 
> of this list.
> Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 9:57 AM Lynn Whitaker  > wrote:
> Thank you Cheri,
> Great site! I have found 3 of the brothers so far!
> Lynn Whitaker
> 
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 8:48 PM Cheri Mello  > wrote:
> Lynn W,
> Many can be found on the Azores GenWeb here:
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/fraternal-societies/ 
> 
> Happy hunting!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 8:46 PM Lynn Whitaker  > wrote:
> 
> I am trying to find access to U.P.E.C records for Alameda County California.  
> Is there a specific website that I can go to?
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/7b02e505-a3c8-46b8-87fd-c1562d5fc82d%40googlegroups.com
>  
> .
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_Ey1JeTzdddJ-Qew08fMrjxjP6gV-3q3%3DP208kjeRfDpA%40mail.gmail.com
>  
> .
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAO1MaunROy3%3DVPAgZkWnw_yv61naYbxtzuB9-fLngceg%2Bcaf6A%40mail.gmail.com
>  
> .
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_E6%2BrVH4vapw5dk%3DLwtVFZ1853UHubCXQT%3D2mxYZw46UA%40mail.gmail.com
>  
> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Some help

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I have the same story as Rosemary…..searched for my last grandfather to arrive 
(1913) for years in New York…and then Boston and Philadelphia too…….and THEN i 
saw a sticker on the wooden box that held his viola, carried from the 
Azores……and saw part of the word Providence on that sticker…..At that time, the 
information was not released to the pubic as it was too recent, and I had a 
worker at the National Archives in Washington DC search for me…….Eureka!  

Susan Vargas Murphy

> On May 29, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Nancy Couto  wrote:
> 
> Gordon, my maternal grandfather and his mother and sisters arrived in New 
> Bedford in 1901. My father and his mother and siblings arrived in Boston in 
> 1920. My maternal grandmother and her mother were the only ones in my family 
> to enter through Ellis Island. Immigrants who landed in New York prior to 
> 1892 probably came through Castle Garden. 
> 
> Nancy
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 3:19 PM  > wrote:
> Both my maternal grandparents from Terceira to Providence RI 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 29, 2019, at 12:00 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  > wrote:
> 
>> Gordon,
>> I searched for my grandfather and his family for years coming in to NY. I 
>> knew the ship, the Madonna, the date too and could not find them on the ship 
>> manifest. Then when Ellis Island was being remodeled, I asked my Tia 
>> (grandpa's sis) if she remembered seeing the Statue of Liberty and Ellis 
>> when they arrived. She said, no, we landed in Providence RI!!! 35 years of 
>> looking in NY and there they were, coming into RI. You have to realize that 
>> the Passenger Manifests stayed in the Port of Entry. So,the Madonna went to 
>> Providence first dropped off passengers and then on to NY! Problem solved. 
>> 
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com 
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 11:27 AM Gordon soares > > wrote:
>> What other ports of entry would someone come through if not Ellis Island? I 
>> have searched Ellis Island for my grandfather Jesse Ferreira and have not 
>> found him. There is a possibility of someone with like name (Ferrero which 
>> was a misspelling of his name on a census document) leaving the Azores on a 
>> New Zealand ship Admiral Sampson NZ bound for Port Antonio, Jamaica in 1902. 
>> The date is a match but that is a long shot. I don’t know how to proceed but 
>> would want to look for other US ports of disembarking. Anybody have some 
>> suggestions?
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> .
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>> .
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/06761CD3-59CD-4151-B7E5-73D9803899CF%40gmail.com
>>  
>> .
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> .
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>> .
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKnzR7%3DQp-jv_Rxb5izVDgRros5c2Wg96aqhtkRRQB3FBtroiA%40mail.gmail.com
>>  
>> .
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/F696FAEA-7E7C-415B-B05C-75AB8974D6BE%40gmail.com
>  
> .
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mount St Joseph Catholic Cemetery in Hayward (California?)

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Fascinating story and good work Celeste!!

Susan Vargas Murphy 

> On May 27, 2019, at 11:25 AM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dixie,
>   I have an uncle who died at the age of 3 months.  My grandmother, Maria 
> Jose Ferreira Dinis, (born in Ponta Garca, Terceira) was always sad that she 
> and her husband, Joao Bernardo Sobral, did not have the $5.00 to have him 
> buried in his own grave site.  So.he was buried with a woman who was 
> being buried at that time.
> 
>   My grandmother was always sad that she did not know where her first born 
> was buried.  About 20 years ago, I decided I would try to find his grave 
> site.  Shortly before that time, there were volunteers who walked the 
> cemetery and recorded markers for those that were buried there.  Not every 
> site had a marker and there was a portion of the cemetery they called the 
> "poor ground."
> 
>   There was a priest at All Saints Church in Hayward where there was records 
> of Mt. St. Joseph cemetery.  The priest was born in the same village ( 
> Ligares, Tras os Montes) in Portugal where my grandfather was born.  I 
> contacted the priest and let me have all record books for Mt. St. Joseph 
> Cemetery.  
> 
>   It took me 2 years to search each entry of every book.  At the same time, I 
> made a copy (in alphabetical order) of the names of those buried there.  I 
> did not find the baby's name, however, I found the name of a woman who had 
> died the same day he had died and was buried in what was called (the poor 
> ground)   I made the assumption that he was buried with her.
> 
>   So I walked the cemetery taking note of every grave that looked to me to 
> have been buried in "the poor ground."  By this time, my grandmother had died 
> and I was never able to tell her my findings.
> 
>   I gave the church a CD of the records I put into alphabetical order.  
> 
>   So, if you can get someone at the church to look, they may be able to tell 
> you more than that someone was buried "in the poor ground."
> 
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
> 
> 
> On Sun, 5/26/19, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mount St Joseph Catholic Cemetery in Hayward 
> (California?)
> To: "Azores Genealogy" 
> Date: Sunday, May 26, 2019, 9:51 PM
> 
> Repost for Dixie
> Schafir, 
> dschafir at aol.com 
> 
> The Mount St Joseph Catholic Cemetery in
> Hayward
> The original cemetery was where the priests
> residence is today, next to the  All Saints Catholic Church
> on 2nd and D. When
>  the then new Mount St Joseph Cemetery was established my
> Grandfather 
> Martin helped move the dead from next to All Saints Catholic
> Church to The present St Joe’s cemetery. My
> Great grandfather was among those moved. Then
>  the church itself was moved onto the former cemetery on 2nd
> St and the 
> present Catholic Church was built on the site where the old
> church 
> stood. My great grandfather’s wooden cross
> disappeared long ago under one of the fire roads so I do not
> know where he is. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the
> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
> from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> 
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_FriuKTKd3kt87u3Frm5iWOZ-QdJ%3D9_zHJcs-k2fGNyEw%40mail.gmail.com.
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/1498786020.5360425.1558981535652%40mail.yahoo.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/1BAD1E80-0303-4142-8C0C-F55B35A6FD15%40aol.com.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Language lessons

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I took a class from Maria Oliviera some years back in my home town but she also 
has an experience in São Jorge. This is what she has for this year.

http://www.marialanguages.com/studyabroad/azores-itinerary.shtml

Susan Vargas Murphy 

> On May 16, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Gordon soares  wrote:
> 
> My wife and I want Portuguese immersion lessons in a homestay in either Porto 
> or Lisbon (preferably Porto) or Sao Miguel, Faial or Pico. Does anyone know 
> of how we can go about this? It is a bit late in the year for us so we are 
> thinking of April or May next year.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CB409CEC-B315-4155-8877-C79C5B2A2E5E%40gmail.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/E3B9E86E-0021-4427-90DB-DFAF513ED9BB%40aol.com.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side bar help! Pedro Miguel

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I agree Cheri! JR made my day!! 
Susan Vargas Murphy 

> On May 3, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> OK, I had to pick up this laptop and move it around. With the right angle, I 
> can see the faint writing. I guess JR was given a special special Xray 
> vision! :)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 7:15 AM 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> Oh JR!! What good eyes you have!! Now that you say it, I can see it!! Wow, I 
>> guess he didn’t like his name!!
>> 
>> Thank you so much!!
>> 
>> Susan 
>> 
>>> On May 3, 2019, at 6:03 AM, JR  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not quite sure about the margin, but at the top in faint writing is, "chama 
>>> se agora Jozeph." He is now called Joseph. And of course, above Girinaldo, 
>>> is Joze', with mark being short for Jozeph, I believe. At first I thought 
>>> it was question mark, but why question what you just wrote.
>>> 
>>> JR
>>> 
>>>> On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 12:27:18 AM UTC-4, Susan Vargas Murphy wrote:
>>>> I know!! I had not heard of it before! 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the info!
>>>> 
>>>> Susan 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 2, 2019, at 3:14 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wow, what a name!
>>>>> 
>>>>> If no one can get it, you may need to email the archives and ask them if 
>>>>> they could so kindly tell you what is written in the left margin of that 
>>>>> record. That bend is difficult.
>>>>> bpar.h...@azores.gov.pt
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 2:11 PM 'Susan Vargas Murphy' via Azores 
>>>>>> Genealogy  wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have been going over some research that i did long ago and wondered if 
>>>>>> the experts here could take a look at the side bar on this baptism 
>>>>>> record for Grinaldo on the right page middle record. I do not need help 
>>>>>> with reading the record itself.but the side bar, which is very faded.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is the thing.This family had a ton of children.14 at 
>>>>>> least.this Grinaldo is never heard from again...no marriage or 
>>>>>> death..
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then they had a Jose and I could never find his baptism record.Jose 
>>>>>> marries  to Francisca Jacinta in Pedro Miguel, Faial.on 27 May 1759
>>>>>> He dies 26 Sept 1781 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Looking at the side bar of Grinaldo's baptism, it looks like the name 
>>>>>> Joseph is there and maybe even a reference to Francisca Jacinta?? I just 
>>>>>> wondered if there is anything there that might say that Grinaldo might 
>>>>>> have ended up being called Jose?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Susan Vargas Murphy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ps...Cheri, I am looking at these records again because they are my 
>>>>>> ancestors and ALSO Jerome Silveira's:)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1716-1729/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1716-1729_item1/P81.html?fbclid=IwAR1aEhQAIxg45XsM6DvcGSZUTYszh_28k_B3YJzhqpRf78RBM2Cqvw9h5UU
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
>>>>>> an email to azo...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop re

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side bar help! Pedro Miguel

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Oh JR!! What good eyes you have!! Now that you say it, I can see it!! Wow, I 
guess he didn’t like his name!!

Thank you so much!!

Susan 

> On May 3, 2019, at 6:03 AM, JR  wrote:
> 
> Not quite sure about the margin, but at the top in faint writing is, "chama 
> se agora Jozeph." He is now called Joseph. And of course, above Girinaldo, is 
> Joze', with mark being short for Jozeph, I believe. At first I thought it was 
> question mark, but why question what you just wrote.
> 
> JR
> 
>> On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 12:27:18 AM UTC-4, Susan Vargas Murphy wrote:
>> I know!! I had not heard of it before! 
>> 
>> Thanks for the info!
>> 
>> Susan 
>> 
>>> On May 2, 2019, at 3:14 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, what a name!
>>> 
>>> If no one can get it, you may need to email the archives and ask them if 
>>> they could so kindly tell you what is written in the left margin of that 
>>> record. That bend is difficult.
>>> bpar.h...@azores.gov.pt
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 2:11 PM 'Susan Vargas Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
  wrote:
 Hi Everyone,
 
 I have been going over some research that i did long ago and wondered if 
 the experts here could take a look at the side bar on this baptism record 
 for Grinaldo on the right page middle record. I do not need help with 
 reading the record itself.but the side bar, which is very faded.
 
 This is the thing.This family had a ton of children.14 at 
 least.this Grinaldo is never heard from again...no marriage or 
 death..
 
 Then they had a Jose and I could never find his baptism record.Jose 
 marries  to Francisca Jacinta in Pedro Miguel, Faial.on 27 May 1759
 He dies 26 Sept 1781 
 
 Looking at the side bar of Grinaldo's baptism, it looks like the name 
 Joseph is there and maybe even a reference to Francisca Jacinta?? I just 
 wondered if there is anything there that might say that Grinaldo might 
 have ended up being called Jose?
 
 Thanks!
 
 Susan Vargas Murphy
 
 Ps...Cheri, I am looking at these records again because they are my 
 ancestors and ALSO Jerome Silveira's:)
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1716-1729/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1716-1729_item1/P81.html?fbclid=IwAR1aEhQAIxg45XsM6DvcGSZUTYszh_28k_B3YJzhqpRf78RBM2Cqvw9h5UU
 
 -- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
 "Azores Genealogy" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
 email to azo...@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to azo...@googlegroups.com.
>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side bar help! Pedro Miguel

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I know!! I had not heard of it before! 

Thanks for the info!

Susan 

> On May 2, 2019, at 3:14 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Wow, what a name!
> 
> If no one can get it, you may need to email the archives and ask them if they 
> could so kindly tell you what is written in the left margin of that record. 
> That bend is difficult.
> bpar.horta.i...@azores.gov.pt
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 2:11 PM 'Susan Vargas Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> I have been going over some research that i did long ago and wondered if the 
>> experts here could take a look at the side bar on this baptism record for 
>> Grinaldo on the right page middle record. I do not need help with reading 
>> the record itself.but the side bar, which is very faded.
>> 
>> This is the thing.This family had a ton of children.14 at 
>> least.this Grinaldo is never heard from again...no marriage or 
>> death..
>> 
>> Then they had a Jose and I could never find his baptism record.Jose 
>> marries  to Francisca Jacinta in Pedro Miguel, Faial.on 27 May 1759
>> He dies 26 Sept 1781 
>> 
>> Looking at the side bar of Grinaldo's baptism, it looks like the name Joseph 
>> is there and maybe even a reference to Francisca Jacinta?? I just wondered 
>> if there is anything there that might say that Grinaldo might have ended up 
>> being called Jose?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Susan Vargas Murphy
>> 
>> Ps...Cheri, I am looking at these records again because they are my 
>> ancestors and ALSO Jerome Silveira's:)
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1716-1729/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1716-1729_item1/P81.html?fbclid=IwAR1aEhQAIxg45XsM6DvcGSZUTYszh_28k_B3YJzhqpRf78RBM2Cqvw9h5UU
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pedro Miguel, Faial. (da Terra, Andre y Faria)

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I can see what you mean on the Sylvia they are my ancestors too Sam. I 
descend from their daughter Francisca who married 16 Nov 1659 to Domingos 
Alves. Maybe take a look at that record (I have not looked in years and am on 
my phone but the Gaspar da Terra rang a bell so I checked my phone genealogy 
program. 

I had recorded her as Isabel da Silva. So do you descend from their son 
Francisco?

 I have that marriage that you are looking at as 20 June 1662? 


Susan Vargas Murphy 

> On Apr 28, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, it kind of looks like Sylvia too.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 4:45 PM  wrote:
>> I see:  Gp.ar da Terra ...bel da Sylva, sua mulher.  I would say Gaspar da 
>> Terra and Isabel da Silva, his wife.
>> 
>> Bill Seidler
>> 
>>> On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 4:13:15 PM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1641-1712/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1641-1712_item1/P9.html
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Top Right.  Can anyone read the groom’s parents names please?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Virus-free. www.avast.com
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio Ferreira Couto from Santa Maria

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

It was certainly my pleasure Nancy!!
Susan 

> On Mar 20, 2019, at 6:29 AM, Nancy Couto  wrote:
> 
> Susan, 
> 
> Thanks for your lovely words about my blog. I'm glad the Pickle Pin Club post 
> resonated with you. I still have a couple of pickle pins, too, and I keep 
> them in a jewelry box. Those were happy days, and the annual Fourth-of-July 
> parade was the high point.
> 
> Thanks for reading.
> 
> Nancy
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2019, at 5:03 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Nancy,
>> I was by chance waiting for a family member at a dental office this morning 
>> when I came upon your post. I very much enjoyed many of your blog posts. You 
>> are a very talented writer. my favorite being the Pickle Parade (I think 
>> I have one of those pickles tucked away in my “miscellaneous” drawer:) I can 
>> see why you cried from the heart of your treasured memories heck, I 
>> did too, as I could relate to so much (kool-aide and special forts forever) 
>> Thanks for sharing!
>> 
>> Susan Vargas Murphy
>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2019, at 5:05 AM, Nancy Couto  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Those of you with Santa Maria ancestry might be interested in my latest 
>>> blog post about my 7th great-grandfather. I have several DNA matches to 
>>> people whose ancestors came from Santa Maria, but Antonio Ferreira Couto is 
>>> the only one that I can say for sure came from there. If you have him in 
>>> your tree, please let me know.
>>> 
>>> I am in Santa Maria now, and I am about to fly to Sao Miguel. 
>>> 
>>> You can read my blog post here: 
>>> http://www.nancyvieiracouto.com/blog/looking-for-antonio-ferreira-couto
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio Ferreira Couto from Santa Maria

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hello Nancy,
I was by chance waiting for a family member at a dental office this morning 
when I came upon your post. I very much enjoyed many of your blog posts. You 
are a very talented writer. my favorite being the Pickle Parade (I think I 
have one of those pickles tucked away in my “miscellaneous” drawer:) I can see 
why you cried from the heart of your treasured memories heck, I did 
too, as I could relate to so much (kool-aide and special forts forever) 
Thanks for sharing!

Susan Vargas Murphy

> On Mar 18, 2019, at 5:05 AM, Nancy Couto  wrote:
> 
> Those of you with Santa Maria ancestry might be interested in my latest blog 
> post about my 7th great-grandfather. I have several DNA matches to people 
> whose ancestors came from Santa Maria, but Antonio Ferreira Couto is the only 
> one that I can say for sure came from there. If you have him in your tree, 
> please let me know.
> 
> I am in Santa Maria now, and I am about to fly to Sao Miguel. 
> 
> You can read my blog post here: 
> http://www.nancyvieiracouto.com/blog/looking-for-antonio-ferreira-couto
> 
> Thanks,
> Nancy
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] visiting the Azores in May

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hello Deb,

I thought I would just throw this in a recommendation for a guide. I’ve 
been to the Azores several times and on my last three visits to Sao Miguel, we 
have used a wonderful guide, Gary Travassos. 

I’ve also used taxis but there is really something to be said about having a 
guide who can show you so much in the most economical use of your time. Gary 
spent some time in Canada and then his parents decided to return to the Azores, 
so Gary speaks perfect English. We have always loved our time with him. I do 
not have ancestry in Sao Miguel so never tried to find specific village streets 
with him but am sure he would be great with that too. Sao Miguel is really a 
show stopper in my book I can’t say it’s my favorite as I stay true to my 
island ancestry LOL but my non Portuguese husband will flat out tell you, 
it’s the best for beauty. 
I would suggest going for a day with him before going out on your own which you 
still could do. To see both sides of the island, we actually used him for two 
days and feel it was very worthwhile! 

https://www.azoreantours.com/

We had a guide in Faial and Pico which I would not particularly recommend. 

You are in for a treat! My first visit was in 1983 life changing I would 
say as my visit gave me so much insight about who I am. The islands have called 
me back 5 times since that first visit and I hope for one more trip to take my 
youngest daughter’s family! I’ve been waiting for my littlest grandson to get a 
little older:) 

Savor each moment! 

Susan Vargas Murphy


> On Mar 15, 2019, at 4:00 PM, 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks everyone for your suggestions for my trip to the Azores in May.  Such 
> good ideas!
> 
> If anyone has specifics about car rental, people who give tours, places to 
> see in FAIAL (Feteira is where grandpa is from) and PICO (which is where more 
> distant relatives are from), I would appreciate it.  
> 
> Deb
> 
> 
> 
> When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!
> 
> 
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019, 5:02:01 PM PDT, Cheri Mello 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Deb,
> 
> If you know where you are going, rent a car. Or you can go to the taxi stand, 
> ask for an English speaking driver, tell him where you want to go. Ask him 
> how long it will take to get there and back, and an hour (or whatever to 
> sightsee). If he says 4 hours, ask him what he makes in 4 hours and pay him 
> that. Many people on this list have kept the names and numbers of specific 
> taxi drivers who kinda double as tour guides. I'm sure they will speak up.
> 
> I don't know which freguesias your ancestors were from. Sao Miguel is the 
> largest island, 40 miles or so by 10 miles or so. If your ancestors are from 
> the western end of the island, stay in Ponta Delgada. If they are from the 
> northern side, you may want to say in Ribeira Grande. So it just depends. 
> 
> Others with Pico and Faial connections will probably have recommendations. 
> Good luck and enjoy! Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 4:47 PM 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> Four of us are visiting the Azores in May for  two weeks. Any recommendations 
> on where to stay on Sao Miguel, Pico, or Faial?   I would appreciate your 
> opinion on whether to rent a car or to hire a driver on each island.  Any 
> names for either?
> 
> I want to go to the villages where my ancestors lived. We also want to enjoy 
> the food and do some walks/hikes.   Anything you would recommend?  
> 
> I would appreciate any thoughts you can share.
> 
> Deb
> 
> 
> When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] which is correct, "z" or "s"

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Oohhh but the “when we take over” would be music to my ears!! How wonderful!!

Susan Vargas Murphy who has been at this a long time and wonders “who will 
take over”!! 

> On Mar 1, 2019, at 9:37 AM, Leonor Bertoni  wrote:
> 
> Funny enough, the other day my 23 year old daughter turned to her brother and 
> said “do you know what is the best thing about mãe doing all this ancestry 
> stuff? When we take over, we won’t have to deal with all this frustration” I 
> silently smirked knowing that for them, for now, ignorance is bliss, but one 
> day they will see what frustration really is!
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:32 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> About 1910-1911  they changed the "z" to an "s" (although we have people 
>> writing the records who weren't the best of spellers). There's been a more 
>> recent change too, but that won't affect what we are researching. Let our 
>> grandkids deal with that one! LOL
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:25 AM Leonor Bertoni  
>>> wrote:
>>> I think the more modern spelling is with an “s” instead of “z”. I’ve seen 
>>> Joze, Thereza, Roza and even the parish church was Nossa Senhora do Rozario 
>>> where as today it is Nossa Senhora do Rosario.  Interestingly enough, the 
>>> Spanish kept the  “z”, Souza, Dominguez, etc.
>>> 
 On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:08 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
  wrote:
 Cheri;  Speaking of “z” and “s” ,  I think I’ve seen Sousa and Souza along 
 with several other changes in spelling in the various records.  Is it a 
 function of time frame, the particular priest or am I mis-remembering 
 this.  I know Jacintha and Jacinta as well as Theresa and Teresa but; I 
 think I’ve also see Tereza.  Am I wrong?
 
  
 
 Thanks for sharing your knowledge,
 
  
 
 Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
  
 
 
Virus-free. www.avast.com
 -- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
 "Azores Genealogy" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
 email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A question about following the correct lineage

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Yes, we did and no one has, so far. It would be great someday to have another 
descendant of our couple join us:)  I have not looked at it for a long time. 
Maybe someday we should have someone like Joao look it over:)
Susan


> On Feb 25, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Kathy. Susan Vargas Murphy and I had the same problem with our 
> common couple. We finally just agreed on what we thought was correct, by the 
> evidence we found, and said if someone can prove otherwise let us know! LOL 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 9:22 AM 'Kathy Andrade Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy 
> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
> It definitely IS difficult! I’d say by the preponderance of evidence. 
> Sometimes, in research as you know, you don’t get enough direct evidence for 
> a definitive answer, so you have to use the concept of preponderance of 
> evidence. So, collect every record you can for this person, couple, and 
> children….. even grandchildren to see if he is mentioned ….. at least the one 
> you think is your person ….. and compare them. Hopefully it will give you an 
> answer you are comfortable with.
> 
>  
> 
> Kathy
> 
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ 
> 
> ~~~
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: "azores@googlegroups.com " 
> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
> Reply-To: "azores@googlegroups.com " 
> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
> Date: Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 8:41 AM
> To: "azores@googlegroups.com " 
> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] A question about following the correct lineage
> 
>  
> 
> Ok, this question is complicated to ask, let alone to figure out the answer 
> but; here goes…   With so many people of the same name marrying so many 
> people of the same name and with the priests sometimes writing Francisco 
> Tavares Monteiro and sometime Francisco Monteiro Tavares, some periods of 
> time and some records listing the grandparents and some not; how the heck is 
> one ever sure of following the correct/same line?  Is it all just an educated 
> guess?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for your thoughts and expertise.
> 
>  
> 
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   
> Virus-free. www.avast.com 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ancestor info- Antonio Brier

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I do remember hearing my relatives speak of someone of that surname when I was 
growing up in Fremont, CA, which was a hotbed of Portuguese at that time. It’s 
familar to me.

Susan Vargas Murphy 

> On Feb 4, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> I checked James Guill's "A History of the Azores Islands." He found Braia as 
> a Portuguese surname. Only thing is we don't know where he found it or what 
> he was reading. If it is Portuguese, it's one rare surname. I really think 
> Pereira is the better bet. Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 10:50 AM Margaret Vicente  
>> wrote:
>> Corinne,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> You may wish to try searching for Pereira instead of Brier for Passengers 
>> arriving in the US within those parameters.  Pereira will sound like Brier 
>> when applying the ENG phonetics.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Margaret
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Corinne Merritt
>> Sent: February 4, 2019 1:01 PM
>> To: Azores Genealogy
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ancestor info- Antonio Brier
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hello,   I am still sooo stuck.  I believe the last name may have been Braia 
>> possibly.  I found his naturalization record only online and no census , 
>> Marriage or death record or anything!.  He is only listed on my grandmothers 
>> wedding listing.  They are John F Barnes and Josephine Brier.( NY). at the 
>> bottom are the parents names, Antonio and Catherine Boskovich, but the 
>> family name is Voskovitch.  Antonio has on his naturalization record the 
>> date and he came over.  Upon research one boat came from Portugal the day 
>> before and I found an Antonio Braia listed!  but it shows him as being 5 
>> (and a Laborer !) but if this was listed as 15, it is him then.  I am pretty 
>> sure this is him. 
>> 
>> At this point, I am not sure that he is just the father and maybe they were 
>> not married?   This part of the family is sooo messed up  ha!  It shows my 
>> GGrandmother (Josephine) was born in Bayonne NJ on her marriage info, but 
>> cannot find anything of anyone being in NJ, leads me to think she was just 
>> born there (??  just guessing).
>> 
>> I did find a family with a Kathryn Voskovich, married to a Charles and they 
>> had a daughter Josephine. 
>> 
>> Family lore is that Josephine came over with another family on a boat to 
>> escape Europe and she took the family name, but, with her parents listed on 
>> the marriage info and showing her born here in the US. that is debunked.   
>> Its just that I cannot find anyone under any name.
>> 
>> Attached are copies 1, copy and paste of marriage and attached 2 records. 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Corinne
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Name:
>> 
>> John F. Barnes
>> 
>> Event Type:
>> 
>> Marriage
>> 
>> Event Date:
>> 
>> 08 Oct 1917
>> 
>> Event Place:
>> 
>> Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
>> 
>> Event Place:
>> 
>> Manhattan, New York
>> 
>> Gender:
>> 
>> Male
>> 
>> Age:
>> 
>> 30
>> 
>> Marital Status:
>> 
>> Single
>> 
>> Race:
>> 
>> White
>> 
>> Birth Year (Estimated):
>> 
>> 1887
>> 
>> Birthplace:
>> 
>> Richmond, N.Y. City
>> 
>> Father's Name:
>> 
>> William
>> 
>> Mother's Name:
>> 
>> Catherine Lucey
>> 
>> Spouse's Name:
>> 
>> Josephine Brier
>> 
>> Spouse's Gender:
>> 
>> Female
>> 
>> Spouse's Age:
>> 
>> 22
>> 
>> Spouse's Marital Status:
>> 
>> Single
>> 
>> Spouse's Race:
>> 
>> White
>> 
>> Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
>> 
>> 1895
>> 
>> Spouse's Birthplace:
>> 
>> Bayonne, N.J.
>> 
>> Spouse's Father's Name:
>> 
>> Antonio
>> 
>> Spouse's Mother's Name:
>> 
>> Catherine Boskovitz
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 10:42 AM Corinne Merritt > 
>> Hello,   I am still sooo stuck.  I believe the last name may have been Braia 
>> possibly.  I found his naturalization record only online and no census , 
>> Marriage or death record or anything!.  He is only listed on my grandmothers 
>> wedding listing.  They are John F Barnes and Josephine Brier.( NY). at the 
>> bottom are the parents names, Antonio and Catherine Boskovich, but the 
>> family name is Voskovitch.  Antonio has on his naturalization record the 
>> date and he came over.  Upon research one boat came from Portugal the day 
>> before and I found an Antonio Braia listed!  but it shows him as being 5 
>> (and a Laborer !) but if this was listed as 15, it is him then.  I am pretty 
>> sure this is him. 
>> 
>> At this point, I am not sure that he is just the father and maybe they were 
>> not married?   This part of the family is sooo messed up  ha!  It shows my 
>> GGrandmother (Josephine) was born in Bayonne NJ on her marriage info, but 
>> cannot find anything of anyone being in NJ, leads me to think she was just 
>> born there (??  just guessing).
>> 
>> I did find a family with a Kathryn Voskovich, married to a Charles and they 
>> had a daughter Josephine. 
>> 
>> Family lore is that Jos

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Transferring your DNA toMyHeritageDNAbefore December 1

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I found this out also because I had saved some files of downloaded raw dna on 
my computer from when I uploaded to Gedmatch. I was trying to get this done 
quickly and used those files! 

Then when Richard commented that 36 would not work, I double checked what I had 
done and thought  “ oh no!!”. With the time limit of Dec 1st for free at that 
time, I went back to download the raw 37 and made up slightly different names 
for the testees. I was surprised when results  came back on all the files. 
36 and 37 concatenated LOL... however that word is spelled!  
I need to go back and delete the duplicates now. but thought you’d like to 
know that they worked.
Yes! Some surprising  new cousins!!

Susan Vargas Murphy 

> On Dec 4, 2018, at 9:14 AM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ally;  Thanks for your note.  I was successful uploading a 2nd time.  All is 
> well and I have some new “cousins” to check out!
>  
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>  
> From: Ms AVA
> Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 9:39 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Transferring your DNA 
> toMyHeritageDNAbefore December 1
>  
> Sam - 
>  
> My Heritage Uploads - yes you can upload a second time - if you change the 
> name of the upload.  
>  
> What will happen, is that when the 2nd upload appears, it may make a note to 
> you that the two entries are the same.  You have the opportunity then to 
> correct the uploads by deleting one of them.  I'm still learning this site, 
> and how to do uploads correctly.  Yes I've made some interesting mistakes, 
> which all can be corrected, and the site didn't crash.
>  
> ALLY Vieira Anselmo/Pinheiro Nunes
> Sao Miguel & Faial
>  
>  
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:12 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> Thanks for the link Cheri.  I’ll send them a note.
>  
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>  
> From: Cheri Mello
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:45 AM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Transferring your DNA to 
> MyHeritageDNAbefore December 1
>  
> Sam, I really don't know if you can upload it again.
>  
> https://www.myheritage.com/contact-myheritage
>  
> There's phone numbers and other ways to contact them. I hope it works!!  Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>  
>  
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 8:41 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> Rick;  Since I got that message when I uploaded my sister’s raw data, do you 
> know if I can uploaded it again? Will a second upload over-ride the first?  
> I’m thinking you could be right and I may have clicked on the wrong download 
> when I did it the first time.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>  
> From: Richard Francis Pimentel
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 9:28 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Transferring your DNA to My 
> HeritageDNAbefore December 1
>  
> Sam, I just did mine this morning and had no problems.   I first downloaded 
> my DNA from Family Tree DNA. You want to download Build 37 Autosomal. If you 
> did not use this one then that could be the problem. It is an easy mistake to 
> make because you can also download Build 36 which will not work.
>  
> Rick
> Richard Francis Pimentel
> Epping, NH
>  
> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
> Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
>  
>  
>  
> From: 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:22 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Transferring your DNA to My Heritage 
> DNAbefore December 1
>  
> Cheri;  Thanks for this reminder.  I had tried to do this twice now without 
> success.  It just kept showing that it was uploading but; would never finish. 
>  Thanks to you reminder, I tried again this morning with success.  I’ve 
> uploaded all 3 of the kits I manage to My Heritage.  Interestingly, there 
> were no issues with the two male kits but; when  uploaded my sister’s kit I 
> received a message that said something like, we are unable to process this 
> type of information at this time.  We will notify you when we are able to. 
> (Something like that anyway).  Any ideas on that?
>  
> Thanks again,
>  
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>  
> From: Cheri Mello
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 8:14 PM
> To: Azores Genealogy; madeira-geneal...@googlegroups.com; 
> islandrou...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Transferring your DNA to My Heritage 
> DNAbefore December 1
>  
> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists)
>  
> Just a reminder...You only have a couple of days left before My Heritage 
> starts charging on Dec. 1st.
> Original email below:
>  
> For those who have DNA tested, you will want to download your raw data from 
> whichever company and transfer it over to M

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Wonderful answer Cheri and thank you for the personal analysis on my Dna 
results!!

Susan

> On Nov 16, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> And Rosemarie didn't mention that she also got some DNA matches that she 
> doesn't have on FTDNA. New cousins to connect with! That's why we do this :)
> 
> Now that ethnicity ESTIMATE thing..
> 
> Each company has contracted with population geneticists who have gone out and 
> taken samples from various locations. Have they sampled the ENTIRE country or 
> region? NO. So then they write the algorithms to calculate your ethnicity. 
> Supposed you don't match their population samples? The algorithms has to take 
> a guess to make you fit. EACH company does this. No one shares population 
> samples. Therefore, they are all different. And this ethnicity ESTIMATE thing 
> is still a developing science and will probably never get down to a country 
> level since those are political boundaries. But there's no crystal ball. 
> FTDNA tests more STR markers because of us genealogists. We have more SNPs on 
> the tree of mankind because of us genealogists. We have pushed the 
> geneticists further than they thought. They thought we were a bunch of old, 
> bespeckled, retired senior citizens, rolling reels of mircofilm. We were 
> searching and searching for answers and would use whatever technology we 
> could to answer our questions. And we asked questions and pushed the 
> geneticists. So the geneticists nicknamed us "citizen scientists." All the 
> companies will continue to improve their ethnicity estimates. The 
> genealogists will continue to push them.
> 
> Now let me take Susan Vargas Murphy's results (100% Azorean, at least on 
> paper):
> FTDNA 
> 48% Iberian
> 23% SE Europe (this is probably Portuguese and this part of her sample didn't 
> match the population sample, so the algorithm guessed)
> 10% Scandinavian (this could be something other than Portuguese and the 
> algorithm didn't know what and took a guess; or some Viking type dude leaving 
> DNA)
> 8% British Isles (possibly true, as some British did settle in the Azores; 
> however, not all of the British Isles have been sampled yet)
> 8% North Africa (this is probably close to true; lots of Azoreans have North 
> Africa - probably crossed the Straight of Gibraltar to Portugal and then to 
> the Azores)
> 2% Jewish (probably close to true; we did have Jews in the Azores and it's an 
> FTDNA estimate which has a REALLY GOOD Jewish population sample)
> 
> AncestryDNA:
> 99% Iberian (they may have some samples from the Azores that Susan matches 
> VERY well)
> 1% Senegal (this may be a guess for the North African; maybe it's a French 
> influence. It's only 1% so I don't dwell on it).
> 
> My Heritage:
> 45.2 % Iberian (Susan matches about 45% of their Portuguese population 
> samples)
> 13.6 % Ireland, Scotland, Wales (possible true; some British empire types 
> went to the Azores; not all have been sampled yet)
> 12.5 % Scandinavian (could be something other than Portuguese; could be an 
> ancient Viking type dude who left his DNA in the Azores after being lonely at 
> sea)
> 10.2 % Ashkanazi Jewish (This may be Sephardic. However, My Heritage was 
> based in Israel and probably has a good Jewish sample too, although it's 
> probably not Sephardic)
> 18.5 % “three more ethnicities” and if you look at their map it is mostly 
> Northern Africa (N. Africa = Portuguese because of the Straight of Gibraltar 
> thing)
> 
> We are a bunch of things. Let the ethnicity ESTIMATES continue to develop and 
> improve. Don't sweat it too much at this time. It's not there yet.
> 
> Bill Seider said something about getting differences with his same raw data. 
> Remember, it's your raw data against their population samples. How well you 
> fit their samples. Or it will make a best fit type guess. So it has nothing 
> to do with your data, it has to do with their population samples.
> 
> Liz M mentioned paternity testing. Ethnicity ESTIMATES is a different part of 
> DNA testing. Paternity testing is looking for amounts of shared centiMorgans 
> between two people (3330 – 3720 cMs with 3487 cMs being the average for a 
> parent child). They aren't looking for that ethnicity type DNA. They are 
> looking for the AMOUNT of DNA shared. 
> 
> Susan asked which company has the biggest database. For ethnicity ESTIMATES, 
> it doesn't matter. Which company has the MOST EXTENSIVE Portuguese (including 
> all 9 of the Azores) in their population samples to compare us against for 
> the most accurate ESTIMATE? No one at this time. I know with FTDNA, the 
> previous version (not the current one) had a whopping 25 Portuguese 
> population samples in it. That was to cover Portugal, the Azores, and 
> Madeira...and it just didn't do it justice. The largest population sample was 
> 147 Japanese. Japan is comprised of 6,852 islands. Their sample size doesn't 
> do them justice either. FTDNA has since revamped it and I don't know

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Ok I’ll chime in
I am 100% Azorean Portuguese 

FTDNA gives me:
48% Iberian
23% SE Europe 
10% Scandinavian
8% British Isles
8% North Africa
2% Jewish

Last Spring I did Ancestry sale and got
99% Iberian 
1% Senegal

Just got results from My Heritage this week:
45.2 %Iberian
13.6 %Ireland, Scotland, Wales 
12.5 %Scandinavian
10.2 %Ashkanazi Jewish 
18.5 %“three more ethnicities” and if you look at their map it is mostly 
Northern Africa. 

Not huge differences but wonder which has the biggest database at this 
point I would suspect Ancestry with all those Hallmark like commercials on 
TV. If so, it would make sense for me as it’s the closest to what I know I am. 
I’ve always rationalized all the many people who colonized the Azores explained 
the mix before, but when I got Ancestry results I thought “wow” that’s the 
closest to what I know to be true!

Susan Vargas Murphy 

> On Nov 15, 2018, at 10:37 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> That is so funny,Bill! Both of us show no Iberian with FTDna and in the 40% 
> range on MyHeritage! I'm half Portuguese and half Italian. MyH is showing 
> Greek which FTDna doesn't show at all but then my Italian side is from Sicily 
> and it was overrun by everyone! 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:25 PM  wrote:
>> I had previously tested with FTDNA and 23andMe.  FTDNA had me 0% Iberia and 
>> 23andMe had me as 42% Iberian.  I just transferred my FTDNA data to 
>> MyHeritage and they estimate my Iberian to be 40% (based on the same data 
>> that FTDNA had at 0% Iberia)
>> 
>> I am 50% Azorean with two grandparents from the Azores (Terceira and São 
>> Miguel), one grandparent whose parents were German-Swiss, and one 
>> grandparent from Ireland.
>> 
>> Bill Seidler
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Four Island Death Index 1911-1956

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

How amazing!! Thank you!

Susan Vargas Murphy 

> On Oct 18, 2018, at 3:14 PM, 'Kathy Andrade Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> There has been a new resource added to the Azores GenWeb. It is a death 
> index, covering the islands of Corvo, Faial, Flores, and Pico for the years 
> 1911-1956. It’s a searchable database index, allowing researchers to search 
> by any field or combination of fields ….. date, name, council, and island. 
> Check it out here:  
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/four-island-indexes/four-island-death-index.html
>  
> Kathy Cardoza
> Coordinator, Azores GenWeb
>  
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/
> ~~~
>  
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Photo Comparison - Silvina Silva/Perry - Sacramento

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi David,

I love to compare faces and from just an outsiders opinion, I’d agree that the 
third lady “could” be Silvina but the lady on the left is definitely not her. 
Features on the left look very different to me.
Are the two children in the one that you think is Silvina the only children in 
that photo? Do the match up to the children you know she had? 

Susan Vargas Murphy 

> On Sep 11, 2018, at 9:09 PM, Kawika322  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, 
> 
> I have been trying to figure out who some individuals are in a few different 
> old family photos that I have. the person in question is my great grandma's 
> sister Silvina Perry (nee Silva). I have two photos in which I know are her, 
> but I have two other older photos where i am not exactly sure who they are, 
> and if one of them was Silvina Perry. Silvina was born in Madeira, Portugal, 
> while her husband John Perry was born in Sao Miguel, Azores
> 
> Attached is the photo comparison. From left to right, the second and fourth 
> photos are of Silvina. In the fourth photo, she is in the black dress. The 
> first and third photos are unknown. It seems like the third photo is most 
> likely to also be Silvina, while the woman in the first photo may be her step 
> mother Caroline Langley.
> 
> Any insights would be helpful. 
> 
> Thanks, 
>  
> David
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Guidance on finding records for my great-grandfather born in Santa Luzia, Pico

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Nice job Cheri! 

> On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:42 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Hi Lori R,
> 
> Many of us could not "read" the Portuguese handwritten records, but learned 
> how. There are some guides to help you on the Azores GenWeb. If you don't 
> want to do it yourself, there's also some researchers for hire on the Azores 
> GenWeb. More information on that below.
> 
> Your Manuel's baptism is #11 on the left:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-B-1860-1876/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-B-1860-1876_item1/P187.html
> 
> Look for the words "filho legitimo" about a third of the way down. That 
> literally means "son legitimate." After that are the parents' names. You 
> think Manuel's dad is "Sesje Rosa" and you think mom is "Delsenia Joses."
> 
> 
> The dad is Sergio de Roza (old spelling - note his S almost looks like a 
> weird T; his R looks like a D; his "z" looks like v or z). Mom is Roza 
> Delfina do Coração de Jezus (all old spellings). Use modern spellings (and 
> make a note that it was recorded as "XXX"). So the parents are Sergio da 
> Rosa and Rosa Delfina do Coração de Jesus. Mom has no last name. It's the way 
> it was. So your notes are pretty close.
> 
> If you want to learn to "read" yourself, there's a guide here. It explains 
> the 3 time periods (you are in the 3rd one) and the key words, what to 
> expect, and a Portuguese record with a fully translated English record: 
> https://goo.gl/4Tzc2i 
> 
> Basically, beginners only see names or partial names. They post what they see 
> to the list and ask for help. With a little practice, they start to pick up 
> more and more as time goes on.
> 
> There will be a Portuguese Genealogy Conference and Research Trip planned in 
> Salt Lake City from Tuesday, June 25 - Friday, June 28th, 2019. In addition 
> to classes with lectures, we also have lab time and one-on-one time, where 
> you can sit down with one of us and get personal assistance "reading" these 
> records. More information to come and will be posted on this list.
> 
> If you don't want to do it yourself, but want to hire someone, a list of 
> researchers can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: https://goo.gl/nDfVUx  
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 7:19 PM Lori Rose  wrote:
>> I have the following information.  American name is Manuel Rose.  Immigrated 
>> in Dec 1892 on the SS Vega; born on 9 September 1874
>> Santa Luzia do Pico (this information was listed in his Alien registration 
>> file).  I found a passenger list from Dec 1892 that lists a Manoel de Rosa 
>> but have been unable to find actual immigration records.  I was always told 
>> the name was changed from Rosa to Rose.  After 1920, he shows up exclusively 
>> as Manuel Rose in the census records.  However, I finally found the 1910 
>> census records that list him as Manuel Rose Silveria.  In that record his 
>> wife is listed as Lucinda D Rose Silveria (her maiden name appears to be 
>> Rodriques).  She was born 22 April 1886 (same island). 
>> 
>> I also have a very old handwritten family tree that lists Manuel's parents 
>> as Sesje Rosa and Delsenia Josesa and Lucinda's parents as John Rodrigues 
>> and Louisa Rosa, but not sure how accurate that is.  
>> 
>> I did find the handwritten baptism lists online but can not read the 
>> handwriting. 
>> 
>> Any advice or suggestions are appreciated.  
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Aha! Now I see it:)  Susan

> On Apr 30, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>  wrote:
> 
> Susan it is in the middle of the 4th line. Sesanta e trez annos the second s 
> looked like a t so I was thinking it was trenta e trez.  Thirty years is a 
> big difference.
>  
> Rick
>  
> From: 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>] 
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:37 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need 
> your thoughts
>  
> I didn’t see any age listed for Luzia/Luiza on her death Nov 27, 1844
>  
> Susan 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>  <mailto:richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Margaret
>>  
>> I was looking at this Obit :  
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
>>  
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html>
>>   Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years 
>> old.
>> If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their ages. 
>> Rick
>>  
>> From: azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf 
>> Of Margaret Vicente
>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
>> To: azores
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need 
>> your thoughts
>>  
>> Rick,
>>  
>> Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a marriage 
>> for Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.  They were 
>> married Feb 15 1816.
>>  
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html
>>  
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html>
>>  
>> Margaret
>>  
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>> mailto:rfrancispimen...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
>> where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries 
>> Antonia de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
>>  
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html>
>>   Left side.
>>  
>> I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
>>  
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html>
>>   Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old 
>> more or less.
>>  
>> The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
>> for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
>> Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. 
>>  
>> I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one 
>> Luiza baptized: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
>>  
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html>
>>   upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
>> Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
>> different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
>> question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name 
>> was changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of 
>> hearing.
>>  
>> The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 
>> the baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the 
>> difference of age as reasonable bein

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I didn’t see any age listed for Luzia/Luiza on her death Nov 27, 1844

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Margaret
>  
> I was looking at this Obit :  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
>   Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years 
> old.
> If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their ages.
> Rick
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Margaret Vicente
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
> To: azores
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need 
> your thoughts
>  
> Rick,
>  
> Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a marriage 
> for Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.  They were 
> married Feb 15 1816.
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html
>  
> Margaret
>  
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>  wrote:
> Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
> where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries 
> Antonia de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
>   Left side.
>  
> I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
>   Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old 
> more or less.
>  
> The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
> for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
> Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840.
>  
> I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one 
> Luiza baptized: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
>   upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
> Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
> different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
> question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name 
> was changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of 
> hearing.
>  
> The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 
> the baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the 
> difference of age as reasonable being off by 14 months.
>  
> I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions on 
> this.
>  
> Rick
> Richard Francis Pimentel
> Epping, NH
>  
> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
> Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
>   
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Golden State Killer Caught with DNA

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I will second that Kathy and Rick! We called him the East Area Rapist and he 
struck in my neighborhood! He is the reason that we installed a burglar alarm 
and why my husband put a baseball bat under our bed that is still there today 
41 years later! My youngest daughter was born 41 years ago today and that was 
the week he announced that he would kill his next victim! We slept with all of 
our children in our bedroom. I knew one victim personally and knew who three 
others were! I say any means they could use to capture this man bravo! He 
honestly took a lot of innocence with him including the carefree days of our 
children playing outside. Sorry for the off topic rant but anyone who commits 
crimes like these deserves to be caught by DNA or any other means. 

Susan Vargas Murphy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Kathy Andrade Cardoza  wrote:
> 
> I agree, Rick. I don’t see this as any invasion of privacy. It identified and 
> helped to capture a very bad person who committed unspeakable crimes against 
> innocents. It’s just another tool in the arsenal of law enforcement.
>  
> Kathy
>  
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/
> ~~~
>  
> From:  on behalf of Richard Francis Pimentel 
> 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Friday, April 27, 2018 at 7:43 AM
> To: 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Golden State Killer Caught with DNA
>  
> I read this article this morning and found it most interesting on the capture 
> of the Golden State Killer. This was a Cold Case file that was solved with 
> DNA.
>  
> The article raises many concerns about privacy and how law enforcement used 
> GED Match to solve this case.  For years law enforcement has used finger 
> prints to identify persons and we have accepted this as no invasion of our 
> privacy. If you consider that DNA is just another finger print then I have no 
> problem with it being used by law enforcement.
>  
> I am happy they caught this person and he will be brought to justice.
>  
> The article also tells how DNA was used to identify a Jane Doe that was 
> murdered in 1981.
>  
> You can read the article here. 
> http://thednageek.com/genealogy-and-the-golden-state-killer/
>  
>  
>  
> Rick
> Richard Francis Pimentel
> Epping, NH
>  
> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
> Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
>  
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with groom's parent's names please. PedroMiguel, Faial

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Sam,

Yes you have to be cautious with NEPS as there are definitely mistakes but I 
would call it up a notch from guessing:) When you can’t read something it’s 
worth looking for sure as for me at least, once I know what it is, then I often 
can “see” it. In this case I saw Lial/Leal first and then looked to see what 
they had and it validated me. 

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 9, 2018, at 8:03 AM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> I really appreciate everyone giving their opinions on this one, what a great 
> group!  Thanks so very much!
>  
> Susan;  I do check NEPS from time to time but; they’re just guessing from 
> these same pages, correct??
>  
> Thanks again everyone!
>  
> Sam (Mazatlan, MX)
>  
> From: 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy
> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 10:40 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with groom's parent's names please. 
> PedroMiguel, Faial
>  
> Sam….do you ever look at the NEPS site? It would be a good way for you to 
> check on this line…..Looks like the name is Leal
>  
> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=pedromiguel&lang=pt&m=NG&n=Francisco+Jose+Leal&t=PN
>  
> Susan
> 
> 
> On Apr 8, 2018, at 9:27 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
>  
> I’m thinking the bride’s father might be Francisco Jose (or as you suggest 
> Joao de)  Lial??….I’ve seen that spelling for Leal.
>  
> Susan Vargas Murphy
> 
> 
> On Apr 8, 2018, at 7:59 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>  
> Bride's father looks like Francisco Jose/Joao de Lima???  You'll need to get 
> her baptism. It's in the binding in the marriage and hard to read.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>  
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, JR  wrote:
> Joao Francisco da Costa filho legitimo de Antonio Francisco da Costa e sua 
> mulher Ignacia Roza com Quiteria Jacinta filha legitima de Francisco Joze 
> Dias e sua mulher Izabel Jacinta naturais da dita parochial...
>  
> JR
> 
> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 8:16:59 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
> Antonio Francisco da Costa?? I don't know names in Sao Miguel so it's a big 
> guess! 
>  
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>  
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 4:11 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> Any help with the bride’s parent’s names would be much appreciated.  I’ve got 
> the groom and his parent’s names as well as the bride’s name but; not feeling 
> so sure on the groom’s parent’s names.
>  
> Small bit on previous page but; the body of it and the part I’m trying to 
> figure out is on the top left of this page.  Thanks in advance,
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855_item1/P196.html
>  
> Sam (Mazatlan, MX)
>  
>  
> 
> Virus-free. www.avast.com
>  
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>  
>  
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>  
>  
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>  
>  
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>  
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with groom's parent's names please. Pedro Miguel, Faial

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Sam….do you ever look at the NEPS site? It would be a good way for you to check 
on this line…..Looks like the name is Leal

http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=pedromiguel&lang=pt&m=NG&n=Francisco+Jose+Leal&t=PN
 
<http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=pedromiguel&lang=pt&m=NG&n=Francisco+Jose+Leal&t=PN>

Susan

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 9:27 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m thinking the bride’s father might be Francisco Jose (or as you suggest 
> Joao de)  Lial??….I’ve seen that spelling for Leal.
> 
> Susan Vargas Murphy
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2018, at 7:59 PM, Cheri Mello > <mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Bride's father looks like Francisco Jose/Joao de Lima???  You'll need to get 
>> her baptism. It's in the binding in the marriage and hard to read.
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, JR > <mailto:jmro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Joao Francisco da Costa filho legitimo de Antonio Francisco da Costa e sua 
>> mulher Ignacia Roza com Quiteria Jacinta filha legitima de Francisco Joze 
>> Dias e sua mulher Izabel Jacinta naturais da dita parochial...
>> 
>> JR
>> 
>> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 8:16:59 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
>> Antonio Francisco da Costa?? I don't know names in Sao Miguel so it's a big 
>> guess! 
>> 
>> 
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com <>
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 4:11 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>> > wrote:
>> Any help with the bride’s parent’s names would be much appreciated.  I’ve 
>> got the groom and his parent’s names as well as the bride’s name but; not 
>> feeling so sure on the groom’s parent’s names.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Small bit on previous page but; the body of it and the part I’m trying to 
>> figure out is on the top left of this page.  Thanks in advance,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855_item1/P196.html
>>  
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855_item1/P196.html>
>>  
>> 
>> Sam (Mazatlan, MX)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon>
>>  Virus-free. www.avast.com 
>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link>
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com <>.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with groom's parent's names please. Pedro Miguel, Faial

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I’m thinking the bride’s father might be Francisco Jose (or as you suggest Joao 
de)  Lial??….I’ve seen that spelling for Leal.

Susan Vargas Murphy

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 7:59 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Bride's father looks like Francisco Jose/Joao de Lima???  You'll need to get 
> her baptism. It's in the binding in the marriage and hard to read.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 6:25 PM, JR  > wrote:
> Joao Francisco da Costa filho legitimo de Antonio Francisco da Costa e sua 
> mulher Ignacia Roza com Quiteria Jacinta filha legitima de Francisco Joze 
> Dias e sua mulher Izabel Jacinta naturais da dita parochial...
> 
> JR
> 
> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 8:16:59 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
> Antonio Francisco da Costa?? I don't know names in Sao Miguel so it's a big 
> guess! 
> 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com <>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 4:11 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
> > wrote:
> Any help with the bride’s parent’s names would be much appreciated.  I’ve got 
> the groom and his parent’s names as well as the bride’s name but; not feeling 
> so sure on the groom’s parent’s names.
> 
>  
> 
> Small bit on previous page but; the body of it and the part I’m trying to 
> figure out is on the top left of this page.  Thanks in advance,
> 
>  
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855_item1/P196.html
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Sam (Mazatlan, MX)
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
>   Virus-free. www.avast.com 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com <>.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico History and Portuguese Customs 1825

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Great!! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2018, at 7:35 AM, Gordon soares  wrote:
> 
> Yep... the links work. Thanks Susan!!
> Gordon
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2018, at 12:02 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Gordon,
>> 
>> Do these links work?
>> 
>> These are the submitted stories that he compiled
>> 
>> http://library.csustan.edu/sites/default/files/Bob_Santos-Stories_of_California_Azorean_Immigrants.pdf#page4
>> 
>> Here is his work on Azoreans to California
>> 
>> http://library.csustan.edu/sites/default/files/Bob_Santos-Azoreans_to_California.pdf
>> 
>> I just searched on my iPhone and was able to access them I wonder what 
>> is wrong as Cheri said maybe try different browsers?
>> 
>> Wish I knew more about these technicalities!!
>> 
>> Susan 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2018, at 9:29 PM, Gordon soares  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Susan
>>> I have tried to read those stories that Santos wrote but can’t access them 
>>> through his college. I have sent him an email asking for access or copy but 
>>> haven’t heard from him
>>> 
>>> Gordon
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 28, 2018, at 4:30 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>> 
>>>> It’s wonderful that you want to honor the strong spirit of your great 
>>>> great grandfather by writing his story! I’ve written little stories and 
>>>> one bigger one about my ancestors in the hope that they will not be 
>>>> forgotten and that further generations can come to know them through what 
>>>> I have written. 
>>>> 
>>>> I’m not sure if the link I shared would help you as I have not read it 
>>>> recently but thought I remembered that it talked about why so many of our 
>>>> people left the islands.
>>>> 
>>>> The link that Cheri shared is not the same one that I shared but is a good 
>>>> one! 
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe if you google Bob Santos and Azores you can find some of he wrote. 
>>>> Besides the link I shared he also compiled some family stories that he 
>>>> collected from writers some of my little stories are in that book.
>>>> 
>>>> I’m excited for your project! He sounds like he had an amazing life. I 
>>>> would say that resilience is a common characteristic of many of our 
>>>> ancestors!
>>>> 
>>>> Susan Vargas Murphy 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 11:05 PM, Michael Emmett  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you Susan, but like Roberto I cannot open the link. I live in 
>>>>> Australia and if Roberto lives other than the USA, perhaps it is 
>>>>> available only to residents of the United States. I have a friend in 
>>>>> Japan who is often denied access to some Australia sites. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You have all been so generous in this matter and I should explain why I 
>>>>> am so interested. I am hoping to write an authentic, though partly 
>>>>> fictionalised, account of my great great grandfather, Manuel Jacinto, 
>>>>> born 1825 on Pico, Azores. That is why I want as much historical back 
>>>>> ground of the era, along with social mores etc. as I can absorb. I was 
>>>>> raised a Catholic, and think I understand how that impacts on a life, 
>>>>> though my knowledge is more from my Irish ancestry than that of any 
>>>>> Portuguese influence. Manuel had just turned eleven when he was charged 
>>>>> in Trinidad and transported by the British to Tasmania Australia (he was 
>>>>> held on a Thames Hulk for two years first). It was a brutal system 
>>>>> designed to break the spirit and force compliance. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Manuel virtually grew up in this system, but there is evidence, from his 
>>>>> conduct sheet (still available in Australia's government archives) that 
>>>>> he remained defiant. He eventually ( after fifteen years, two seven year 
>>>>> stints and one additional year for absconding) gained his freedom by 
>>>>> servitude, to become a valuable and courageous member of Australia's ship 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico History and Portuguese Customs 1825

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Gordon,

Do these links work?

These are the submitted stories that he compiled

http://library.csustan.edu/sites/default/files/Bob_Santos-Stories_of_California_Azorean_Immigrants.pdf#page4

Here is his work on Azoreans to California

http://library.csustan.edu/sites/default/files/Bob_Santos-Azoreans_to_California.pdf

I just searched on my iPhone and was able to access them I wonder what is 
wrong as Cheri said maybe try different browsers?

Wish I knew more about these technicalities!!

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 28, 2018, at 9:29 PM, Gordon soares  wrote:
> 
> Susan
> I have tried to read those stories that Santos wrote but can’t access them 
> through his college. I have sent him an email asking for access or copy but 
> haven’t heard from him
> 
> Gordon
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2018, at 4:30 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Michael,
>> 
>> It’s wonderful that you want to honor the strong spirit of your great great 
>> grandfather by writing his story! I’ve written little stories and one bigger 
>> one about my ancestors in the hope that they will not be forgotten and that 
>> further generations can come to know them through what I have written. 
>> 
>> I’m not sure if the link I shared would help you as I have not read it 
>> recently but thought I remembered that it talked about why so many of our 
>> people left the islands.
>> 
>> The link that Cheri shared is not the same one that I shared but is a good 
>> one! 
>> 
>> Maybe if you google Bob Santos and Azores you can find some of he wrote. 
>> Besides the link I shared he also compiled some family stories that he 
>> collected from writers some of my little stories are in that book.
>> 
>> I’m excited for your project! He sounds like he had an amazing life. I would 
>> say that resilience is a common characteristic of many of our ancestors!
>> 
>> Susan Vargas Murphy 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 11:05 PM, Michael Emmett  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you Susan, but like Roberto I cannot open the link. I live in 
>>> Australia and if Roberto lives other than the USA, perhaps it is available 
>>> only to residents of the United States. I have a friend in Japan who is 
>>> often denied access to some Australia sites. 
>>> 
>>> You have all been so generous in this matter and I should explain why I am 
>>> so interested. I am hoping to write an authentic, though partly 
>>> fictionalised, account of my great great grandfather, Manuel Jacinto, born 
>>> 1825 on Pico, Azores. That is why I want as much historical back ground of 
>>> the era, along with social mores etc. as I can absorb. I was raised a 
>>> Catholic, and think I understand how that impacts on a life, though my 
>>> knowledge is more from my Irish ancestry than that of any Portuguese 
>>> influence. Manuel had just turned eleven when he was charged in Trinidad 
>>> and transported by the British to Tasmania Australia (he was held on a 
>>> Thames Hulk for two years first). It was a brutal system designed to break 
>>> the spirit and force compliance. 
>>> 
>>> Manuel virtually grew up in this system, but there is evidence, from his 
>>> conduct sheet (still available in Australia's government archives) that he 
>>> remained defiant. He eventually ( after fifteen years, two seven year 
>>> stints and one additional year for absconding) gained his freedom by 
>>> servitude, to become a valuable and courageous member of Australia's ship 
>>> pilot service. He was involved in several daring ship rescues, in raging 
>>> storms, which was part of the job.
>>> 
>>> Through necessity, much of his story will be from my imaginings, but I want 
>>> it to have a very solid base. I cannot thank you all enough for your 
>>> incredible generosity with your time and knowledge. 
>>> 
>>> Warm regards
>>> Mike Emmett
>>> P.S. Having never written anything other than a University essay or short 
>>> story I fear it will be beyond my capacity anyway, but I feel his is a 
>>> story which must be told.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On 28 Mar 2018, at 3:46 PM, Gordon soares  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Works for me on Apple IMac with Safari & Chrome
>>>> Gordon
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 10:39 PM, Cheri Me

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico History and Portuguese Customs 1825

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Michael,

It’s wonderful that you want to honor the strong spirit of your great great 
grandfather by writing his story! I’ve written little stories and one bigger 
one about my ancestors in the hope that they will not be forgotten and that 
further generations can come to know them through what I have written. 

I’m not sure if the link I shared would help you as I have not read it recently 
but thought I remembered that it talked about why so many of our people left 
the islands.

The link that Cheri shared is not the same one that I shared but is a good one! 

Maybe if you google Bob Santos and Azores you can find some of he wrote. 
Besides the link I shared he also compiled some family stories that he 
collected from writers some of my little stories are in that book.

I’m excited for your project! He sounds like he had an amazing life. I would 
say that resilience is a common characteristic of many of our ancestors!

Susan Vargas Murphy 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 27, 2018, at 11:05 PM, Michael Emmett  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Susan, but like Roberto I cannot open the link. I live in Australia 
> and if Roberto lives other than the USA, perhaps it is available only to 
> residents of the United States. I have a friend in Japan who is often denied 
> access to some Australia sites. 
> 
> You have all been so generous in this matter and I should explain why I am so 
> interested. I am hoping to write an authentic, though partly fictionalised, 
> account of my great great grandfather, Manuel Jacinto, born 1825 on Pico, 
> Azores. That is why I want as much historical back ground of the era, along 
> with social mores etc. as I can absorb. I was raised a Catholic, and think I 
> understand how that impacts on a life, though my knowledge is more from my 
> Irish ancestry than that of any Portuguese influence. Manuel had just turned 
> eleven when he was charged in Trinidad and transported by the British to 
> Tasmania Australia (he was held on a Thames Hulk for two years first). It was 
> a brutal system designed to break the spirit and force compliance. 
> 
> Manuel virtually grew up in this system, but there is evidence, from his 
> conduct sheet (still available in Australia's government archives) that he 
> remained defiant. He eventually ( after fifteen years, two seven year stints 
> and one additional year for absconding) gained his freedom by servitude, to 
> become a valuable and courageous member of Australia's ship pilot service. He 
> was involved in several daring ship rescues, in raging storms, which was part 
> of the job.
> 
> Through necessity, much of his story will be from my imaginings, but I want 
> it to have a very solid base. I cannot thank you all enough for your 
> incredible generosity with your time and knowledge. 
> 
> Warm regards
> Mike Emmett
> P.S. Having never written anything other than a University essay or short 
> story I fear it will be beyond my capacity anyway, but I feel his is a story 
> which must be told.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 28 Mar 2018, at 3:46 PM, Gordon soares  wrote:
>> 
>> Works for me on Apple IMac with Safari & Chrome
>> Gordon
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 10:39 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just clicked on it. It works. I'm on Windows 10 and Firefox is the 
>>> browser. I also have Acrobat Reader DC (latest version). 
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
 On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:51 AM, Roberto Machado Velho  
 wrote:
 The link is not working. Could you post somewhere else?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Roberto Machado Velho.
 
> On Monday, 26 March 2018 19:11:19 UTC-3, Susan Vargas Murphy wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> I’m late to this conversation…and don’t even know if your ancestors were 
> in California….but even if they were not, you might like reading this 
> information 
> 
> http://library.csustan.edu/sites/default/files/Bob_Santos-Azoreans_to_California.pdf
> 
> Susan Vargas Murphy
> 
>> On Mar 21, 2018, at 10:14 PM, Mickey Blue  wrote:
>> 
>> Cheri, thanks again for your help. You always seem to know the right 
>> answer or where to look. I have just discovered a couple of books I'm 
>> trying to get from Amazon on the subject too. As you have mentioned, it 
>> seems any big social changes happened after or around 1900. I think the 
>> world was possibly getting new social mores and of course, universal 
>> education was changing lives and opening new horizons for working 
>> people. 
>> 
>> I would love to visit one day, but I think that may be a year or two off 
>> yet. 
>> 
>> If anyone elso has more information I would appreciate all you might 
>> know or where to find out. Are there Universities which might specalise 
>> in studies of Azores, history and cu

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming A Godmother

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi E. I have often seen the grandmother named as the godmother (wink! 
Wink!) I actually am the godmother to one of my grandsons (I told them about 
the Portuguese custom:)

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 28, 2018, at 10:01 AM, E. Sharp  wrote:
> 
> I was texting with my granddaughter this morning and she is expecting a new 
> great grandson for us…she said they have a Godfather and she is not sure they 
> will name a Godmother….so I was thinking maybe telling her about the 
> Portuguese tradition of naming a Saint like in the old days.  Have any of you 
> done this recently? It’s a boy so what Saint should I suggest (like in the 
> old days?) or did they only do this for girls???
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> “E”
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico History and Portuguese Customs 1825

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Yes that’s what works for me Gordon.

Susan (who posted it) 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 27, 2018, at 9:46 PM, Gordon soares  wrote:
> 
> Works for me on Apple IMac with Safari & Chrome
> Gordon
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 10:39 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> 
>> I just clicked on it. It works. I'm on Windows 10 and Firefox is the 
>> browser. I also have Acrobat Reader DC (latest version). 
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:51 AM, Roberto Machado Velho  
>>> wrote:
>>> The link is not working. Could you post somewhere else?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Roberto Machado Velho.
>>> 
 On Monday, 26 March 2018 19:11:19 UTC-3, Susan Vargas Murphy wrote:
 Hi Mike,
 I’m late to this conversation…and don’t even know if your ancestors were 
 in California….but even if they were not, you might like reading this 
 information 
 
 http://library.csustan.edu/sites/default/files/Bob_Santos-Azoreans_to_California.pdf
 
 Susan Vargas Murphy
 
> On Mar 21, 2018, at 10:14 PM, Mickey Blue  wrote:
> 
> Cheri, thanks again for your help. You always seem to know the right 
> answer or where to look. I have just discovered a couple of books I'm 
> trying to get from Amazon on the subject too. As you have mentioned, it 
> seems any big social changes happened after or around 1900. I think the 
> world was possibly getting new social mores and of course, universal 
> education was changing lives and opening new horizons for working people. 
> 
> I would love to visit one day, but I think that may be a year or two off 
> yet. 
> 
> If anyone elso has more information I would appreciate all you might know 
> or where to find out. Are there Universities which might specalise in 
> studies of Azores, history and customs of the early 1800s, does anyone 
> know? 
> 
> Thank again.
> 
> Warm regards
> Mike
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico History and Portuguese Customs 1825

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Mike,
I’m late to this conversation…and don’t even know if your ancestors were in 
California….but even if they were not, you might like reading this information 

http://library.csustan.edu/sites/default/files/Bob_Santos-Azoreans_to_California.pdf
 


Susan Vargas Murphy

> On Mar 21, 2018, at 10:14 PM, Mickey Blue  wrote:
> 
> Cheri, thanks again for your help. You always seem to know the right answer 
> or where to look. I have just discovered a couple of books I'm trying to get 
> from Amazon on the subject too. As you have mentioned, it seems any big 
> social changes happened after or around 1900. I think the world was possibly 
> getting new social mores and of course, universal education was changing 
> lives and opening new horizons for working people. 
> 
> I would love to visit one day, but I think that may be a year or two off yet. 
> 
> If anyone elso has more information I would appreciate all you might know or 
> where to find out. Are there Universities which might specalise in studies of 
> Azores, history and customs of the early 1800s, does anyone know? 
> 
> Thank again.
> 
> Warm regards
> Mike
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is considered New World

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Whoops…I wanted to say that Dave used to have a gray shading up the west coast 
of North America but since they did their realignment on FTDNA, you can no 
longer see that shading….

Susan

> On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:19 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> PS….Dae
>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:18 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes…it’s pretty small amount Cheri. Dave is less than 2% but I know for sure 
>> his great-great-great grandmother was full Native American, the daughter of 
>> a Lakota Sioux Chief…..Crow Feather:)  I have found paper on this….so I 
>> guess it does wash out:(
>> 
>> thanks,
>> 
>> Susan Vargas Murphy
>>> On Mar 24, 2018, at 9:13 AM, Cheri Mello >> <mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It depends on the definition of "small." Trace amounts are just that - they 
>>> make for cocktail party talk. To me, anything under 3% is questionable, as 
>>> the ethnicity estimates have quite a way to go still. If you've got the 
>>> ancestor documented, than it could be picking it up as "noise." Usually, 
>>> the Nat.Amer. ancestor needs to be 100% Nat. Am. and needs to be your 
>>> parent, grand, great, or 2-great. Otherwise, it washes out. People of South 
>>> American and Central American descent who still marry within their culture 
>>> will show it in good amounts. That's probably a Brazilian's screen shot 
>>> that I captured, from someone who has been there many generations, so the 
>>> Native gets mixed with the Native from the spouse.  Cheri
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:33 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi Cheri!
>>> 
>>> My husband has a little of that New World and he has a small amount of 
>>> Native American ancestry I thought maybe that is where it came from? 
>>> Does that sound right to you?
>>> 
>>> Susan 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Cheri Mello >> <mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> People with "New World" get this on their map under their My Origins tab 
>>>> (ethnicity ESTIMATES):
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I see it with the Brazilians and people who are part Mexican or part South 
>>>> American. Cheri
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 2:29 PM, 'Vivian Christy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Cheri,  I was asked the question about the break down on FTDNA where 
>>>> they tell you what percentage of nationality you have in your DNA.
>>>> 
>>>> So if someone has New World in that break down what does that mean
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Vivian Silva Christy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>>>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>>>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message becaus

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is considered New World

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

PS….Dae
> On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:18 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes…it’s pretty small amount Cheri. Dave is less than 2% but I know for sure 
> his great-great-great grandmother was full Native American, the daughter of a 
> Lakota Sioux Chief…..Crow Feather:)  I have found paper on this….so I guess 
> it does wash out:(
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>> On Mar 24, 2018, at 9:13 AM, Cheri Mello > <mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> It depends on the definition of "small." Trace amounts are just that - they 
>> make for cocktail party talk. To me, anything under 3% is questionable, as 
>> the ethnicity estimates have quite a way to go still. If you've got the 
>> ancestor documented, than it could be picking it up as "noise." Usually, the 
>> Nat.Amer. ancestor needs to be 100% Nat. Am. and needs to be your parent, 
>> grand, great, or 2-great. Otherwise, it washes out. People of South American 
>> and Central American descent who still marry within their culture will show 
>> it in good amounts. That's probably a Brazilian's screen shot that I 
>> captured, from someone who has been there many generations, so the Native 
>> gets mixed with the Native from the spouse.  Cheri
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:33 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> Hi Cheri!
>> 
>> My husband has a little of that New World and he has a small amount of 
>> Native American ancestry I thought maybe that is where it came from? 
>> Does that sound right to you?
>> 
>> Susan 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Cheri Mello > <mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> People with "New World" get this on their map under their My Origins tab 
>>> (ethnicity ESTIMATES):
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I see it with the Brazilians and people who are part Mexican or part South 
>>> American. Cheri
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 2:29 PM, 'Vivian Christy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi Cheri,  I was asked the question about the break down on FTDNA where 
>>> they tell you what percentage of nationality you have in your DNA.
>>> 
>>> So if someone has New World in that break down what does that mean
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Vivian Silva Christy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is considered New World

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Yes…it’s pretty small amount Cheri. Dave is less than 2% but I know for sure 
his great-great-great grandmother was full Native American, the daughter of a 
Lakota Sioux Chief…..Crow Feather:)  I have found paper on this….so I guess it 
does wash out:(

thanks,

Susan Vargas Murphy
> On Mar 24, 2018, at 9:13 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> It depends on the definition of "small." Trace amounts are just that - they 
> make for cocktail party talk. To me, anything under 3% is questionable, as 
> the ethnicity estimates have quite a way to go still. If you've got the 
> ancestor documented, than it could be picking it up as "noise." Usually, the 
> Nat.Amer. ancestor needs to be 100% Nat. Am. and needs to be your parent, 
> grand, great, or 2-great. Otherwise, it washes out. People of South American 
> and Central American descent who still marry within their culture will show 
> it in good amounts. That's probably a Brazilian's screen shot that I 
> captured, from someone who has been there many generations, so the Native 
> gets mixed with the Native from the spouse.  Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:33 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
> Hi Cheri!
> 
> My husband has a little of that New World and he has a small amount of Native 
> American ancestry I thought maybe that is where it came from? Does that 
> sound right to you?
> 
> Susan 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 22, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Cheri Mello  <mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> People with "New World" get this on their map under their My Origins tab 
>> (ethnicity ESTIMATES):
>> 
>> 
>> I see it with the Brazilians and people who are part Mexican or part South 
>> American. Cheri
>> 
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 2:29 PM, 'Vivian Christy' via Azores Genealogy 
>> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> Hi Cheri,  I was asked the question about the break down on FTDNA where they 
>> tell you what percentage of nationality you have in your DNA.
>> 
>> So if someone has New World in that break down what does that mean
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Vivian Silva Christy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is considered New World

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Cheri!

My husband has a little of that New World and he has a small amount of Native 
American ancestry I thought maybe that is where it came from? Does that 
sound right to you?

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> People with "New World" get this on their map under their My Origins tab 
> (ethnicity ESTIMATES):
> 
> 
> I see it with the Brazilians and people who are part Mexican or part South 
> American. Cheri
> 
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 2:29 PM, 'Vivian Christy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi Cheri,  I was asked the question about the break down on FTDNA where they 
>> tell you what percentage of nationality you have in your DNA.
>> 
>> So if someone has New World in that break down what does that mean
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Vivian Silva Christy
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mac Family Tree on sale for 50% off

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Mary Ann,

I had a real old version on Reunion and Kathy Cardoza recently helped me with 
updating (several versions). It works like a charm and I love it and am quite 
grateful to Kathy.  She’s the best and knows a lot about many programs! 

Susan Vargas Murphy 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 25, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Kathy Andrade Cardoza  wrote:
> 
> Sounds good, MaryAnn!
>  
> Kathy
>  
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/
> ~~~
>  
>  
> From:  on behalf of MaryAnn Santos 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 10:56 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mac Family Tree on sale for 50% off
>  
> Hi Kathy,
>  
> Thank you so much. The files are on my computer at work. I'll send you 
> samples/screenshot that will clarify what I was describing when I return to 
> the office either tomorrow or Tuesday.
>  
> Best,
> MaryAnn
>  
>  
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Kathy Andrade Cardoza  
> wrote:
> MaryAnn
>  
> I am a user of Reunion and may be able to help you. I’m not really 
> understanding your problem, though. If you upgraded from a prior Reunion 
> version, that family file would be updated to work with the new version of 
> Reunion. In this case, version 12. All your data should be in place. At that 
> point, that family file will no longer be able to open in a prior version of 
> Reunion because it was updated to the newest. If you wish, you can email me 
> privately to explain your problem and I will try to help.
>  
> Kathy
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/
> ~~~
>  
>  
>  
> From:  on behalf of MaryAnn Santos 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 9:10 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mac Family Tree on sale for 50% off
>  
> I use Reunion but last time I upgraded all of my data (dates, notes, etc.) 
> were hidden somewhere in the document and was very difficult to locate and 
> tech service wasn't very helpful. I do have Mac Family Tree but never really 
> used it. I may try to switch to it.
> Just my two cents worth. If anyone had the same problem upgrading Reunion and 
> found a solution I'd be grateful to hear from you.
>  
> MaryAnn
>  
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> 
>  
> --
> MaryAnn Santos
> Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator
> Department of Art and Art Professions
> NYU/Steinhardt
> 212.998.5702
> m...@nyu.edu
>  
> Follow us at 
> Twitter / @NYUart
> Instagram / @nyuart
> Facebook / NYU Art Department
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What do you call a suburb?

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

John,
I know we are off topic here….but I have to chime in that I saw the little 
village that you are talking about when we were there with our family a few 
years ago and it is s charming. I thought  it would be the perfect place 
for a honeymoon:) So isolated and quaint!

Susan 
> On Feb 9, 2018, at 8:21 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Thanks foor the info on a present usage. However, for those doing 
> genealogical research, they are still going to see cidade, vila, freguesia, 
> and lugar, at least in the research of the Azores. Thanks!
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 10:44 PM, John Vasconcelos  > wrote:
> Cheri,
> Regarding "aldeia" there is one use of that designation that is unique to the 
> Island of Flores. The small abandoned lugar of Cuada (formerly known as 
> Quada) between the Freguesias of Faja Grande and Fajazinha is now known as 
> "Aldeia da Cuada" (google it). I don't know all the details or legalities 
> but, in summary, back about 2000, a couple of entrepreneurs ( the husband 
> from Pico and the wife from Flores) obtained funding and permission to lease 
> or purchase an abandoned village, install modern but simple kitchens and 
> bathrooms and a phone line. I have stayed there 3 or 4 times. When I was 
> there the summer of 2002, I got up in the wee hours of the morning and called 
> into the AOL geanealogy chat room and surprised the host (don't remember the 
> host but it wasn't you Cheri - might have been Mel). Granted, it wasn't an 
> official government designation, but the name of government sanctioned 
> resort. 
> 
> Aldeia da Cuada, Ilha das Flores - Açores. Turismo rural Açores. 
> 
> aldeiadacuada.com/en/ 
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Cheri Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What do you call a suburb?
> To: Azores Genealogy  >
> 
> 
> The words vary from the Azores to the continent.
> 
> In the Azores, a suburb or neighborhood is usually referred to as a "lugar" 
> in the documents.
> 
> Freguesia is a civil parish, not a church parish. Let's not go there and 
> confuse people, because most North Americans (who are Catholic) think of 
> their parish as the church that they attend. So just call a freguesia a 
> freguesia. It's what used in the documents. They don't say aldeia in the 
> Azores. I haven't seen it in a document, but I've seen it in the online 
> language class (continental Portuguese).  Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Judy Thompson  > wrote:
> We all refer to places like Lajes  on Pico in concelho of Lajes as a 
> freguesia but what do we call places like Ribeira do Meio or Rua Nova which 
> are like suburbs or neighborhoods in Lajes or for Ribeira Seca in Calheta on 
> Sao Jorge, what do we call Portal or Entre Grutoes?  Can't find my 
> English/Portuguese dictionary so looked on google translate and found the 
> following possibilities:
> 
> suburb = suburbio
> village = aldeia
> town or city = cidade
> neighborhood = bairro
> 
> Also did not realize that freguesia is actually parish.
> 
> Hoping Portuguese speakers will have an answer.
> 
> Thx for any clarification.
> 
> Judy Thompson
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receivi

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Finally!!!! I know who I am

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

What a wonderful story! So happy for Laura!

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:53 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Congratulations! I kept checking your DNA page to see if any of the matches 
> were getting any stronger. Adoptees always need to fish in multiple ponds.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 7:51 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>>  wrote:
>> Oh Happy Day!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Laura Flanagan
>> Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:41 PM
>> To: Azores Genealogy
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Finally I know who I am
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> http://www.heraldnews.com/news/20180201/ri-woman-finds-her-fall-river-roots-after-long-journey-tracking-down-her-dad
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My grandparents were Seraphin V. Oliveira b. 18 Sep 1916 in Fall River and 
>> Maria Viveiros Miranda b. abt 1921 in Fall River. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thank you so much to all the members of this group who supported me, shared 
>> lineage with me, helped me read records, etc.  I am truly truly blessed!
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese social group

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Gordon,

I’m wondering where you are reading that your grandfather was a founding member 
etc? I don’t know the answer but the city of Fremont was formed in late 1950s 
from most of the towns that were Washington Township so I doubt that FM stood 
for that if what you are reading refers to a time before 1960.
My father lived in Centerville which eventually became part of Fremont and had 
a policy from SES. I know I had to contact the organization located in San Jose 
in order to collect on the policy when he died. 

Doesn’t answer your question, but I wouldn’t guess that it stands for Fremont. 
Maybe Fraternal Men’s? Even tho I have never seen that tagged on?


Susan Vargas Murphy 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2018, at 4:14 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I believe SES is one of the organizations that merged into PFSA. You can find 
> PFSA on line and contact them to see what they have about the SES (if they 
> are now part of PFSA).  
> 
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
> 
> 
> On Sun, 1/28/18, Gordon soares  wrote:
> 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese social group
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 28, 2018, 4:01 PM
> 
> Fremont is
> what I thought but can’t figure out why if he lived in
> Oakland. Any idea how one goes about getting the info or dox
> related to such organizations? I don’t know how
> “legal” these orgs had to be. 
> 
> Sent
> from my iPhone
> On Jan 28,
> 2018, at 4:21 PM, Cheri Mello 
> wrote:
> 
> FM may be Freemont. Someone more
> familiar with Oakland will chime in. Cheri
> On Jan 28, 2018 3:05 PM,
> "Gordon soares" 
> wrote:
> Oakland ca . At one point
> lived on Adeline Street .Gordon
> 
> On Jan
> 28, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Cheri Mello 
> wrote:
> SES
> is probably Portuguese for Sociedade do Espirito Santo or
> Society of the Holy Spirit. I'm guessing FM may be the
> area of California. What city was your ancestor in?
> 
> On Jan
> 28, 2018 2:29 PM, "Gordon soares" 
> wrote:
> Has anyone ever heard of the SESFM
> Portuguese lodge in the Calif area? Manual Machado Soares
> was supposedly one of the 6 founding members and was the
> President for awhile. He is my grand father born in Pico.I
> don’t know what the SESFM stands for.
> 
> 
> 
> Gordon Soares
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the
> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
> from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@googlegroup
> s.com.
> 
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/grou
> p/azores.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the
> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
> from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@
> googlegroups.com.
> 
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/
> group/azores.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the
> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
> from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@
> googlegroups.com.
> 
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/
> group/azores.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the
> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
> from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> 
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the
> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
> from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> 
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores tours

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Sam,
I have no ancestry in San Miguel and wanted to visit the islands of my 
ancestors the most. but have to tell you that if you have not yet planned 
your trip, you should consider Sao Miguel really I think the most 
physically beautiful island. 
What islands are you visiting? You can email me off list as I do have some 
other guides we have used but we can discuss via email if you are interested!

Excited for you,
Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2018, at 5:33 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Susan for this recommendation but; Sao Miguel is not one of the 
> islands we plan on visiting this trip.  Appreciate your response though.
>  
> Thanks,
> Sam (Mazatlan, MX)
>  
> From: 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 1:25 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores tours
>  
> Hi Sam,
> This is a wonderful tour guide, Gary Travassos that we have used three times 
> on Sao Miguel.
>  
> http://www.azoreantours.com
>  
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>  
> On Jan 16, 2018, at 12:12 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
>  
> Sam, I check this site from time to time for tours. Cannot recommend yes or 
> no as I have not tried them yet. You might want to check them out cor their 
> Azores tours at Portugal.com website. 
> 
> "E"
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>  
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>  
> 
>   Virus-free. www.avast.com
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores tours

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Sam,
This is a wonderful tour guide, Gary Travassos that we have used three times on 
Sao Miguel.

http://www.azoreantours.com 

Susan Vargas Murphy

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 12:12 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
> 
> Sam, I check this site from time to time for tours. Cannot recommend yes or 
> no as I have not tried them yet. You might want to check them out cor their 
> Azores tours at Portugal.com website. 
> 
> "E"
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Simao in the Azores

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

So sorry to read this condolences to the family.

Susan Vargas Murphy 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2017, at 3:22 AM, Lionel Holmes  wrote:
> 
> Lionel died this morning
> - his son, Steve
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 10:57 AM, nancy jean baptiste 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi Fernando,
>> 
>> 
>> Interesting about your Simas family being shipbuilders. I wonder if that 
>> skill was brought from the Azores. I have strong DNA links to Simas family 
>> members in Santo Amaro, "Terra dos Barco's", shipbuilding village on Pico. 
>> There are many Simas in Santo Amaro.
>> 
>> 
>> Perhap's if you've DNA tested you could see if you match any of the Santo 
>> Amaro people.
>> 
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Nancy Jean Baptista
>> 
>>  
>> From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
>> Fernando Horn Batista 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 12:28:38 PM
>> To: Azores Genealogy
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Simao in the Azores
>>  
>> Good afternoon, John, unfortunately I do not have all these details. What I 
>> do know is that the "Simas" family came from the Azores around the 18th 
>> century to the coast of Santa Catarina in Brazil. The elders of the family 
>> said that the real name would be "Simons", there is a whole suspicion that 
>> they were Jews. The last name we can get in our tree is "Jose Luis Simas" 
>> who was married to "Maria Roza de Jesus". These were the parents of Amaro 
>> José de Simas.
>> 
>> The family was Shipbuilders and had and still has many customs of new 
>> Christians. Thank you very much, any information you have will be extremely 
>> useful.
>> 
>> Em segunda-feira, 3 de julho de 2017 18:59:29 UTC-3, John Raposo escreveu:
>>> 
>>> Do you have more specifics? Which island, parish, what time frame? etc. I 
>>> have done some extensive research on the Simas family (as has Doug Holmes 
>>> da Rocha). The patriarch is Domingos de Simas (probably a Spanish hidalgo; 
>>> we know he claimed to be an armiger).  One of his sone went to Terceira and 
>>> thos Simas spread out to the other islands. Simas, Simao, Simon??? Those 
>>> names could be easily corrruped in  transcription. Let me know if I can 
>>> help.
>>> 
>>> John Miranda Raposo
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Monday, July 3, 2017 4:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Repost for Fernando Horn Batista, fehorn at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> My great-great-grandfather was "Amaro José de Simas", but ... he was 
>>> married to a Lady named "Maria Norberta da Conceição"(Surname equal to that 
>>> of Rosa Joaquina Emilia Da Conceicao). They also come from the Azores and 
>>> also say that the family came from England to the Azores because of 
>>> religious persecution, which in fact the surname would be Simons (In 
>>> English) and was translated on arrival in Azores. My great-uncle said that 
>>> the family name was "Simão" (in Portuguese) and that they translated it 
>>> wrong. As I'm a history teacher and seeing all the coincidences linked to 
>>> the name, I perceive a GREAT chance of the family having Jewish origin and 
>>> this would explain some changes of name, as the case of "Mendez" (Jewish 
>>> name). I hope to be able to exchange information with everyone who wants. 
>>> Thank you so much! See you
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com.
>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cheap flights to Terceira

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

It looks like you can change the month on the calendar through April. Let's 
go:)

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 5, 2017, at 7:59 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> You DID read that it's for the month of January only, didn't you?
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Liz Migliori  wrote:
>> Wow. 7 days hotel and air for 599.00. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 5, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just got this for flight & hotel in Terceira. Flight leaves from Boston for 
>>> $599.   
>>> https://azoresgetaways.com/en/deals/promo/code/cheapflights-terceira-azores?utm_source=cheapflights&utm_medium=hotlist&utm_campaign=cf_oct_boster17#numberOfNights=7,nRooms=1,room1adults=2,room1children=0
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> Richard Francis Pimentel
>>> 
>>> Epping, NH
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
>>> Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Flights NY JFK to Ponta Delgada or Lisbon May 2018 Delta Airlines

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Fabulous!!! Free at last!! 
Best news ever!!

Susan Vargas Murphy 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 12:28 PM, E Sharp  wrote:
> 
> FYIif you are going to Azores next year, Delta is instituting new flights 
> to Lisbon or Ponta Delgada stating May 2018 from JFK. 5 days a week except 
> Tuesdays and Thursdays .   The reverse route does not take place on Mondays 
> and Wednesdays.  They will have daily connections between Atlanta and Lisbon. 
>  Which should make connections easier for those of us on the west coastI 
> hope.  
> 
> "E"
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Learning to speak Portuguese

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

You are welcome! One thing that is good about Maria is that you are definitely 
hearing an Azorean accent! 

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 7:40 PM, 'Cheryl Barnhurst' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Susan! 
> Sherry 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 6:30 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have taken lessons from Maria Oliveira who is from Sao Jorge She has 
>> CDs you can order;
>> 
>> http://www.marialanguages.com
>> 
>> I'd highly recommend checking what she has to offer!
>> 
>> Susan Vargas Murphy 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 5:25 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You want Continental or European Portuguese. I would say that Azorean 
>>> Portuguese has some type of accent. Kinda like in America, New Yorkers 
>>> sound different than New England, the deep south, the Midwest, etc. The 
>>> closest is European/Continental Portuguese.
>>> 
>>> I signed up for PracticePortuguese.com. It is continental/European. That's 
>>> closer to Azorean than Brazilian. It's $12 a month and you can cancel at 
>>> any time. I do their Learning Studio. There's a variety of activities. I've 
>>> been doing it 10 months. Rosemarie Capodicci noticed a difference in me 
>>> compared to a year ago. Personally, I feel like I've gone from a 2 yr old 
>>> talk to maybe a 3 or 4 yr old. I'm not fluent and I over think and over 
>>> analyze things. But I do see some progress in myself.
>>> 
>>> Sam Koester uses something different. She'll chime in here. I'd try both 
>>> and pick the one that fits your learning style. We are all different as 
>>> learners and students, so what makes sense to me may not be the best fit 
>>> for you. Just try them out.
>>> Cheri
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 17, 2017 4:37 PM, "'Sherry' via Azores Genealogy" 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> My cousin contacted me yesterday, asking if I knew away for her to learn 
>>>> to speak Portuguese (Azores version). She found a "Portuguese for Dummies" 
>>>> , but it is the Brazilian Portuguese. Her parents never taught their 
>>>> children the language, just like my Mom. I've learned to read a lot of 
>>>> words from doing research but I can't speak it. She asked me to check and. 
>>>> See if anyone I knew could tell us how she could learn the language other 
>>>> than going to live in the Azores. She doesn't know of anyone in her area 
>>>> that speaks the language. I thought I'd ask this very helpful group for 
>>>> any suggestions? Thanks so much!
>>>> Sherry
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Learning to speak Portuguese

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I have taken lessons from Maria Oliveira who is from Sao Jorge She has CDs 
you can order;

http://www.marialanguages.com

I'd highly recommend checking what she has to offer!

Susan Vargas Murphy 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2017, at 5:25 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> You want Continental or European Portuguese. I would say that Azorean 
> Portuguese has some type of accent. Kinda like in America, New Yorkers sound 
> different than New England, the deep south, the Midwest, etc. The closest is 
> European/Continental Portuguese.
> 
> I signed up for PracticePortuguese.com. It is continental/European. That's 
> closer to Azorean than Brazilian. It's $12 a month and you can cancel at any 
> time. I do their Learning Studio. There's a variety of activities. I've been 
> doing it 10 months. Rosemarie Capodicci noticed a difference in me compared 
> to a year ago. Personally, I feel like I've gone from a 2 yr old talk to 
> maybe a 3 or 4 yr old. I'm not fluent and I over think and over analyze 
> things. But I do see some progress in myself.
> 
> Sam Koester uses something different. She'll chime in here. I'd try both and 
> pick the one that fits your learning style. We are all different as learners 
> and students, so what makes sense to me may not be the best fit for you. Just 
> try them out.
> Cheri
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2017 4:37 PM, "'Sherry' via Azores Genealogy" 
>>  wrote:
>> My cousin contacted me yesterday, asking if I knew away for her to learn to 
>> speak Portuguese (Azores version). She found a "Portuguese for Dummies" , 
>> but it is the Brazilian Portuguese. Her parents never taught their children 
>> the language, just like my Mom. I've learned to read a lot of words from 
>> doing research but I can't speak it. She asked me to check and. See if 
>> anyone I knew could tell us how she could learn the language other than 
>> going to live in the Azores. She doesn't know of anyone in her area that 
>> speaks the language. I thought I'd ask this very helpful group for any 
>> suggestions? Thanks so much!
>> Sherry
>> 
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Roque do Pico

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

You are making great progress Kellie! I would change the "Alameda" in your 
program to "Alameda County" as it is misleading to anyone reading it. Alameda 
is a place on its own while I think your family on the document you posted 
lived in Newark which is very different than how you entered it. 

Susan Vargas Murphy 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:33 PM, Kellie Crnkovich  wrote:
> 
> Finally found where my Great Grandfather's family was from and it is Sao 
> Roque, Sao Roque do Pico, Pico. Yay found DNA matches as well so excited 
> so many years of looking. Still adding info from CITCEM and going through 
> records but have a few generations in. 
> 
> Attached PDF of what I have so far.
> 
> Kellie Crnkovich
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Finally found names

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Kellie,
I grew up in Centerville and so was trying to make this out. I see the doctor 
was from Centerville and he was buried there. Botelho was the undertaker that 
buried many of my family. I never had any luck trying to get undertaker records.

Where do you think he lived... I can't make that out and there are not many 
choices for towns:) It almost looks like Newark in the second space? 

Susan Vargas Murphy  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Kellie Crnkovich  
> wrote:
> 
> After 20+ years of looking and 4th request for death cert over the years they 
> finally found my Great Grandfathers death cert. I finally have his parents 
> names and actual day of birth not just month and year. Looks like Joao P 
> Silva and Mary Gracia just has Azores listed but I know from other records 
> it's Pico so now I can go through the baptismal records yay. 
> 
> Kellie Crnkovich
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 2017 Azores Genealogy Conference

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Marie... I had a guess that it was you that wrote that sweet note! It was 
great to see you again after so many years And Paula too! The three of us 
traveled to Portugal together over 20 years ago!!

Susan Vargas Murphy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 3, 2017, at 2:30 PM, ':' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ooops!  That was probably me. Marie Pleasant
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Cheri Mello 
> To: Azores Genealogy 
> Sent: Sun, Sep 3, 2017 2:23 pm
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 2017 Azores Genealogy Conference
> 
> You left yourself out. Your name reads as ":"  We don't know who wrote this 
> nice note, as you didn't sign your name or have the signature line tuned on. 
> :(
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism translation

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Kellie I love your enthusiasm and effort! 

Susan Vargas Murphy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 21, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Kellie Crnkovich  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Cheri I just can't read this one such a pain lol. At least got the 
> date found her death record too that was easier to read. I had no birth or 
> death dates she's my GG Grandmother but thank to the wonderful index of 
> confessional Rolls found her age listed which lead to finding the birth. And 
> narrowing down her death to 1832-1839 when husband remarried. The 
> Confessiknal Roll index was awesome help also gave me a brother to my G 
> Geabsfather wooho. 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] *****Sao Jorge Marriage Index online

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I finally had a chance last night to compare some of the marriages that I 
researched years ago in Velas, with the new databases that were worked on by 
some dedicated people. I found a couple of corrections that I reported  to some 
names (I have the advantage of having searched for the children of my ancestors 
which helps to validate names). But I also found that I had an error in a 
date that the database brought to my attention! So it works both ways and I am 
grateful! I originally looked at these records using microfilm and it's great 
to be able to enlarge each element Jeesh I know I should go through each 
and every record of my ancestry! 

Anyway I wanted to give my thanks Jeremy and Kathy and to all who worked on 
this database! 

Susan Vargas Murphy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 15, 2017, at 7:00 PM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:
> 
> it is my pleasure to announce a major, new addition to the Azores GenWeb …… 
> the Sao Jorge Marriage Index. This has been a long and difficult project 
> undertaken by a group of dedicated researchers and coordinated by Jeremy 
> Berry-Cahn. This index covers all 11 freguesias of Sao Jorge and is a 
> searchable PDF. Every effort has been made to insure accuracy. Please use any 
> index as a starting point only, and always verify with the original record. 
> If you find this index to be helpful, please express your appreciation to all 
> the volunteers who gave so much of their time and efforts to it.
> 
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/sao-jorge/sao-jorge-indexing/
> 
> Good luck and happy hunting!
> 
> Kathy Cardoza
> Coordinator, Azores GenWeb
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
>   http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
> ~~~
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: *****Sao Jorge Marriage Index online

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Oh Marie!! So glad to hear I will see you in SLC!! 
And thank you for your kind words Kathy Cardoza and I both worked hard on 
the UPEC records! 

See you soon!
Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2017, at 3:45 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> Can hardly wait to see you,Marie! So glad the index is up before we head to 
> SLC. Just another valuable source to use there! 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Seekgene via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> Yes, I want to thank you also for all of your time and work that you have 
>> put into collecting all of this data.  Also, to Susan Vargas Murphy for 
>> working and collecting other valuable data.  It takes a lot of dedication 
>> and selfless dedication on your part for the benefit of others.  Looking 
>> forward to seeing you at the SLC Conference!
>>  
>> Marie Pleasant
>>  
>> In a message dated 8/16/2017 11:06:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
>> azores@googlegroups.com writes:
>> Thank to you all for your dedicated service!
>> Sherry Barnhurst
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Jeremy G. B-C: Researching Sao Jorge' via Azores Genealogy 
>> 
>> To: Azores Genealogy 
>> Cc: kmacardoza 
>> Sent: Tue, Aug 15, 2017 7:12 pm
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: *Sao Jorge Marriage Index online
>> 
>> 
>> I would like to give a special thank you to Louie Avila & Rosemarie 
>> Capodicci - the 'tireless machines' without whom this could never have been.
>> 
>> Also  Mike Souza, Racquel Anderson,Linda Meneses, Kathy Cardoza for all of 
>> their hard work and devotion to this... this was truly a great 
>> collaboration, and we all learned so much.  It was a terrific opportunity, 
>> and I personally have grown so much at my ability to read therecords, 
>> and also more knowledgeable of all the obscure names (both given and sur) on 
>> the island!!!
>> 
>> 
>> JEREMY
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to theGoogle Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean passports vs ship passenger manifest

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Very Interesting Tomás!

Susan Vargas Murphy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Tomas Leal  wrote:
> 
> Not all immigrants to the U.S. arrived with official passports. My 
> grandfather's oldest brother emigrated from Horta in 1885, but his passport 
> was issued later to verify his Portuguese citizenship and was signed for by 
> his younger brother, who remained in Flamengos the rest of his life. His 
> signature is on the back of the passport. I assume that after-the-fact 
> documents were not rare, as I cannot imagine any official issuing a passport 
> for someone who had already left the country. It's possible your ancestors 
> simply came over without papers.
> 
> Apparently, passports were not always required for entry to the U.S. For 
> example, https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/United_States_Passports shows 
> periods when passports were required, and it appears none were required 
> between 1862 and 1918. To my knowledge, my paternal grandfather from the 
> Azores is the only one of my four grandparents who had a passport; the other 
> three did not. 
> 
> My Azorean grandfather, who emigrated in 1907, did have a passport before his 
> departure. Because he was already 18, his passport states he was granted an 
> exemption from military service. He probably felt the need for a passport 
> stating his military exemption because he would have been forbidden by law 
> from leaving the country ahead of fulfilling his military obligation. My 
> other grandparents did not have the same issue. In those days, many young men 
> swam or rowed out to the ship rather than leave from the port, so they could 
> evade the authorities and emigrate without fulfilling military service, which 
> might have caused further hardship on the family--loss of labor on the farm, 
> loss of income, and so on. I don't know why or how my grandfather got this 
> exemption, though I assume some sort of "hardship" was claimed. His father 
> (my great-grandfather) had already died, leaving the farm to his widow (my 
> great-grandmother). Three of his brothers (including his oldest one) had 
> already emigrated and the oldest brother had already sent passage from Horta 
> to New York and New York to Oakland when my grandfather applied for his 
> passport. Thus, my grandfather was fully sponsored before he emigrated.
> 
> Tomás Leal
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Patron Saints

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Just an observation…if you want to get medals to represent your grandparents 
ancestry….I think what Margaret said is meaningful about the patron saints for 
the parishes….

My ancestry is from mostly Castelo Branco Faial…..My grandmother, had in her 
belongings a little statue of St Catarina and then, just recently, I watched 
over a 94 year old relative who passed away and her father was born also in 
Castelo Branco. In my relative’s wallet was a very old Holy Card of Sta 
Catarina. So it is my deduction that these parish saints were very meaningful 
to our people.

Susan Vargas Murphy
> On Jul 12, 2017, at 8:27 PM, Tish M  wrote:
> 
> Very nice explanation. I do enjoy learning about the culture of the Islands 
> and the Catholic Church which is so intertwined with one another.
>  
> 
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Margaret Vicente  > wrote:
> If I may, and to clarify - because an island bears the name of a Saint it 
> does not mean it is "The" patron saint for that island.  Sao Miguel is the 
> patron saint in the parish that venerates him which is the Matrix of Vila 
> Franca do Campo.  
> 
> Sao Miguel, Santa Maria and Sao Jorge are island names.
> 
> Regarding patron saints for Faial.
> 
> There's no St John of Caldeira.  Following is a list of all the patron saints 
> for that island
> 
> Senhor Santo Cristo (Holy Christ) -  Paia do Almoxarife (February 1st)
> São João Baptista,[St. John Baptist] patron of the nobility of the island 
> (June 24th)
>  Divino Espírito Santo [Divine Holy Spirity) (across all islands)
> Nossa Senhora das Angústias [Our Lady of Anguish]  - Semana do Mar
>  Nossa Senhora da Graça [Our Lady of Grace] - Praia do Almoxarife
>  Nossa Senhora de Lurdes [Our Lady of Lurdes] -  Feteira, 
>  Santa Cecília, in te Matriz, [ Sain Cecilia] patron of the muscialns (25th 
> of Novembro)
> Santa Catarina de Alexandria [Sain Catherine of Alenxadria] -  Castelo Branco
> Nossa Senhora da Conceição [Our lady of Conception] (8th of December) (across 
> all islands)
> The list is to the credit of Ilha do Faial -  Memória Portuguesa 
> 
> 
> http://terrasdeportugal.wikidot.com/ilha-do-faial 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Cheri Mello  > wrote:
> Yes. That is why I mentioned St. John the Baptist's feast day is June 24rh, 
> same as St. John Caldeira.
> 
> On Jul 12, 2017 4:15 PM, "Sami"  > wrote:
> Thanks for the replies. I'm wondering which "St. John" that Sao Joao da 
> Caldeira is? I cannot find anything about this saint. Is he the same as St. 
> John the Baptist, or Saint John of God? 
> 
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 2:29:19 PM UTC-5, Sami wrote:
> I was just wondering if there were any "official" patron saints of the island 
> of Faial, and of Capelo and Feteira specifically?  I would like to get a 
> medal/s to wear in remembrance of my great-grandparents. Thanks in advance 
> for any answers! :)
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Margaret M Vicente
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> sfig
> Researching
> Island: Santa Maria
> Freguesia: Santa Barbara
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this gro

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1872 Boston marriage of Maria Margarida (of Sao Jorge) to Manoel J. Souza (of St. Michaels)

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Mary, since this priest translated Saõ Miguel to Saint Michael's, I think he 
also translated Isabel to Elizabeth. We have a "Portuguese National Church" 
here in Sacramento, CA and it has always puzzled me that it is  named St 
Elizabeth's but is dedicated to St Isabel and displays a large statue of her 
near the altar. 

Susan Vargas Murphy 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 6:04 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>  wrote:
> 
> Where did you get the marriage information from? Did they marry in a church? 
> If it were a Catholic church then perhaps the record from the church will 
> give additional information as to which village they were from.
> Rick
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Pimentel Wheeler
> Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 5:49 PM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1872 Boston marriage of Maria Margarida (of Sao 
> Jorge) to Manoel J. Souza (of St. Michaels)
>  
> Looking for the following people - do any of you have them in your tree?
>  
> Maria Margarida - Born Sao Jorge ca. 1847.   Married to:  Manoel J. Souza - 
> born in St. Michaels ca. 1842
>  
> They married in Boston on 30 Nov 1872.  He was 20 years old, she was 25.
>  
> Marriage certificate list  HIS parents as Manoel & Florinda, and HER parents 
> as Joseph & Elizabeth.
>  
> Since I don't have frequesias for either Maria Margarida or Manoel J. Souza, 
> I thought I'd start here to see if anyone has them, before I start searching 
> village by village.
>  
>  
> Also - quick question.  I've not seen "Elizabeth" as a given name in the 
> Azores - does anyone know if that is an anglicized version of a Portuguese 
> name?  That might help me find her mother if I need to start searching CCA.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Mary
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Jorge - Dead End: Joao Cardoso and Maria das Candeias Calheta/Norte Pequeno

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

#3 Manuel also says basically that the father was from Flamengos as it says he 
was from Nsa Sna da Luz which is the parish for Flamengos... I know you know 
that but good to count that in your evidence.

Your ancestor, Antonio's baptism  however, says the father was from Horta! 

Susan 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 8, 2017, at 4:06 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C: Researching Sao Jorge' via Azores 
> Genealogy  wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> 
> I would really appreciate if someone could take the time to see if there is 
> anything I may be missing in the baptisms of this couples's younger children 
> in Norte Pequeno. (#'s 4 and 5)
> 
> I have been trying to trace back the direct paternal line of my azorean 
> ancestry, and have run into a serious brick wall.  My ancestor Antonio 
> Machado Cardoso was born in Calheta on Sao Jorge in 1745 to Joao Cardoso and 
> Maria das Candeias.  I am trying to find his grandparents names on either 
> side.  I would love to have the marriage record for Joao and Maria, but I 
> believe it was in Norte Pequeno before the records start, as I have checked 
> most villages in the area several times with no luck.
> 
> The trouble is that there are so many gaps in the baptismal, marriage and 
> death books that I can get only a very limited amount of information. 
> 
> I find the following children to Joao Cardoso and Maria das Candeias.  
> 
> 1) Antonio (born in CALHETA) 3 Apr 1745
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-B-1730-1746/SJR-CH-CALHETA-B-1730-1746_item1/P232.html
>  Top Left
> 
> 2) Anna (born in CALHETA) 29 Dec 1747
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-B-1746-1770/SJR-CH-CALHETA-B-1746-1770_item1/P27.html
>  Bottom Right
> 
> 3) Manuel (born in NORTE PEQUENO) 18 Apr 1756
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1753-1796/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1753-1796_item1/P11.html
>  Bottom Left
> 
> 4) ? (born in NORTE PEQUENO) Oct 1763? (not completely sure if its 63')
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1753-1796/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1753-1796_item1/P24.html
>  Bottom Right
> 
> 5) ? (born in NORTE PEQUENO) 12 Jun 1765
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1753-1796/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1753-1796_item1/P32.html
>  Bottom Right
> 
> 
> There is no question that there are any many more that I am missing, but 
> because of the water damage in the church books - which at times reseble 
> cornflakes/abstract art, I am unable.  I can't even find marriage records for 
> any of their children (regardless of name) other than my ancestor Antonio!
> 
> I do know (per the daughter Anna's baptism) that the father - Joao Cardoso, 
> was from Flamengos, Faial. His wife Maria was from Sao Jorge.  I have gone 
> through the records in Flamengos and think that Joao may have been the son of 
> Bernardo Cardoso, but I need to prove this.
> 
> ANY guidance, tips, or help reading the last few childrens baptisms would 
> mean alot to me! The son Manuel born 1756 has alot of names mentioned in his 
> baptism: even a few Cardoso's, but I cannot quite make out what their 
> relationships are.
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Jeremy G. BC
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Sorry I didn't answer yesterday Liz Didn't get to my email! Yes, that's 
exactly what I meant! 

Thank you E for the great article which explains this so well! 

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Liz Migliori  wrote:
> 
> Wait, who got around to it in the 60's
> Do you mean that your mother was born here
> Married gfather in 1916.   Then he got his citizenship but she did not 
> automatically become citizen again???
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 10:53 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The same thing happened to my grandma who married her dear "greenhorn" (she 
>> told me people called him that) in 1916. Her got his citizenship in the 20's 
>> but she remained an alien for decades Don't have it here but I think she 
>> finally got around to it in the 1960s. 
>> 
>> Susan 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Liz Migliori  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thx for this info Cheri.  Confirms for me. Whenever I tell relatives that 
>>> my gram lost her citizenship they don't believe me.   She used to get so 
>>> mad if anyone called her a greenhorn.  She made grandpa get his 
>>> citizenship.   
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Before 1920, women didn't naturalize on their own. No women's rights. If 
>>>> the husband naturalized, then she was considered naturalized. If a woman 
>>>> (being a U.S. Citizen) married an alien, she lost her American citizenship 
>>>> too (before 1920 and women's rights).
>>>> 
>>>> 1926 - maybe it's her, maybe it's not. Women could use her maiden name or 
>>>> her husband's name. In my research, I've seen women use their husband's 
>>>> name in America. Get her death and see if she was a citizen. Look at the 
>>>> censuses and see if she was a citizen. 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:32 AM, George Medeiros 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> When a married woman became a citizen of the U.S. from the azores
>>>>> from 1900- 1950 does the naturalization record use their own surname or 
>>>>> their husband's ? Does anyone know ?  I found a naturalization record 
>>>>> from 1926 of a woman with my grandmother's name which looks like her 
>>>>> handwriting but has her family name not her husband's surname.
>>>>> I do not know if she ever became a citizen but this record might be her. 
>>>>> George
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>>>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization Records in the United States

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

The same thing happened to my grandma who married her dear "greenhorn" (she 
told me people called him that) in 1916. Her got his citizenship in the 20's 
but she remained an alien for decades Don't have it here but I think she 
finally got around to it in the 1960s. 

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Liz Migliori  wrote:
> 
> Thx for this info Cheri.  Confirms for me. Whenever I tell relatives that my 
> gram lost her citizenship they don't believe me.   She used to get so mad if 
> anyone called her a greenhorn.  She made grandpa get his citizenship.   
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> 
>> Before 1920, women didn't naturalize on their own. No women's rights. If the 
>> husband naturalized, then she was considered naturalized. If a woman (being 
>> a U.S. Citizen) married an alien, she lost her American citizenship too 
>> (before 1920 and women's rights).
>> 
>> 1926 - maybe it's her, maybe it's not. Women could use her maiden name or 
>> her husband's name. In my research, I've seen women use their husband's name 
>> in America. Get her death and see if she was a citizen. Look at the censuses 
>> and see if she was a citizen. 
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:32 AM, George Medeiros  
>>> wrote:
>>> When a married woman became a citizen of the U.S. from the azores
>>> from 1900- 1950 does the naturalization record use their own surname or 
>>> their husband's ? Does anyone know ?  I found a naturalization record from 
>>> 1926 of a woman with my grandmother's name which looks like her handwriting 
>>> but has her family name not her husband's surname.
>>> I do not know if she ever became a citizen but this record might be her. 
>>> George
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> --
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Catholic Church Records

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Might take a century prima Rosemarie!! Kathy Cardoza and I copied ours with our 
cameras ( I think it was cameras not phones way back when). 
I started to make a document with my many relatives, and Kathy's and included 
the records I could see before and after ours (I know crazy) But they just 
seemed so precious. Another unfinished project Sigh. I think we might have 
had to sIgn a paper sAying we were only looking for family.. ?? Or maybe that 
was another place, lol. 

Those were the days!

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> I know, Robert. I've gone and even though they didn't have a machine that 
> would copy what you found, you could at lease search. They really need to 
> have the records digitized and put online but who knows if that will ever 
> happen! 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 10:37 PM, robertjm  
>> wrote:
>> Years ago you used to be able to make an appointment and go to the San 
>> Francisco Arch Diocese's archives, in Menlo Park where you could pour 
>> through their microfilm to your heart's content.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, they changed that rule. I'm hoping they change it once again. 
>> But, I'm not holding my breath till I see a notification.
>> 
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Travel to Pico in August

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Thank you for this Thomás! 
When I get ready to hopefully go again in a few years, I'm checking with you 
for an update on the best way to get there!! 
Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2017, at 3:29 AM, Tomas Leal  wrote:
> 
> The flight from Oakland to Terceira is, technically, a charter flight 
> ticketed by Azores Airlines (the "new" identity of SATA International) but 
> managed and operated by a private company. I took this flight last summer and 
> it was wonderful. However, SATA has sometimes cancelled this flight and 
> rebooked passengers from San Francisco or Oakland to Boston for the regular 
> Azores Airlines flight to the islands, either Ponta Delgada, São Miguel, or 
> Lajes, Terceira. Be on the alert. My assumption is such a change occurs when 
> there are too few passengers for the charter flight to break even for SATA.
> 
> Regardless, you definitely should book your ticket entirely to Pico (PIX) 
> through SATA so that you are completely covered on each leg of the journey. 
> SATA has code-share arrangements with Virgin America and JetBlue from SFO to 
> BOS and then to PIX through either PDL or TER. I would attempt the through 
> flight first before considering the ferry from Terceira to Pico. Reason: One 
> ticket through SATA protects you against cancellations, delays, or 
> who-knows-what because SATA then accommodates you with hotel and meal 
> vouchers and retickets you for the next flight. If you piece-meal your 
> transit any other way and happen to miss a connection, it's your problem.
> 
> July and August are the highest demand months for travel to and from the 
> Azores. If you are going, get your tickets NOW, if you can. The fares will be 
> at their highest, unfortunately. The Oakland flight might well be sold out 
> already. That's just how it is during high season. The later you go in 
> August, the lower the fare; a return in September is cheaper than in August. 
> This is because the demand shifts.
> 
> However, you might want to spend a day or three either in Ponta Delgada or 
> Angra, both to adjust to the time difference and for the adding sightseeing. 
> As for ferry service, you can get information at 
> https://www.atlanticoline.pt/p/p/ There are two high-speed catamaran ferries 
> now running, cutting the transit time considerably. Seats on the ferries are 
> generally easy to get up to the departure time. Useful to know: There is a 
> significant discount for passengers over 65. As a foreigner, you must present 
> a passport to verify your age; a driver's license or anything else is likely 
> to be refused because it is not an internationally-recognized item. The ferry 
> ride can be lovely. From Terceira, there is regular service from Praia de 
> Vitória to Santa Cruz, Graciosa, to Velas, São Jorge, to São Roque, Pico. 
> There is occasional service from Angra as well. The Atlântico line has 
> information on all the routes. The new ferries, however, are enclosed and not 
> open as the older Santorini was, so the ride is not at open-sea feeling as 
> before. Still, the boats come close enough to the islands that you can see 
> things otherwise missed by airplane.
> 
> Where in Pico would you be staying? I'm in Santo Amaro the whole summer. It 
> would be wonderful to meet a fellow list-member in person!
> 
> Tomás Leal
> 
> 
>> On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 11:40:26 PM UTC, "E" Sharp wrote:
>> A relative has invited my husband and I to their home in Pico the beginning 
>> of August. We would leave out of Oakland to Terceira, I guess.  How does one 
>> get from Terceira to Pico? Are the flights usually full this time of year 
>> Oakland to Terceira in August? 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> "E" 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to Pico in August

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

II haven't done this but know others that have taken some other carrier like 
Virgin to Boston and then take Azores/SATA to Sao Miguel... Then do an inter 
island from Sao Miguel to Pico etc.  I just watched Ron de Silva on Facebook do 
this. He was going to Flores and weather conditions there delayed him a day 
once he got to Sao Miguel. 

I'm thinking of doing that next time I go. Or I'm even thinking of taking some 
other airline to Portugal and then flying back to the Azores. I see that 
Ryanair is going to the Azores now but have not heard of anyone going. The 
reason I'm thinking of trying to minimize my time with SATA is that I've had 
more delays  Hours to overnights! Than I have had regular flights. 

It's luck of the draw with Sata!!

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 6:37 PM, nancy jean baptiste  
> wrote:
> 
> Shouldn't be any problem getting to Pico in August andyou can book with SATA 
> through to Pico.
> 
> 
> Nancy Jean
> 
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
> Mello 
> Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 7:52:00 PM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to Pico in August
>  
> I think you can get from Terceira to Pico by either boat or plane. SATA is 
> the inter-island carrier. There's some talk of them striking though.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:40 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>> A relative has invited my husband and I to their home in Pico the beginning 
>> of August. We would leave out of Oakland to Terceira, I guess.  How does one 
>> get from Terceira to Pico? Are the flights usually full this time of year 
>> Oakland to Terceira in August? 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> "E" 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel taxi driver

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

We have enjoyed Gary Travassos on three visits He knocks himself out to 
show you the sights!

https://www.azoreantours.com

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2017, at 6:54 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
> 
> Thank you.  Sounds fun for them. 
> 
> "E"
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 20, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, just go to the praça of taxis, go up to the front of the line, and say 
>> "Do you speak English?" If that taxi driver doesn't, he'll ask the others. 
>> Or have them show a piece of paper that says "Queremos ir a Furnas."
>> 
>> But there's more to it than that. I believe you have to go there early in 
>> the morning to have your meal cooked then go back 8 hours later when it is 
>> done to eat it. Furnas is pretty far from Ponta Delgada.
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 6:31 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
>>> They have their flight all booked. I just thought they would like to go to 
>>> Furnas while in Sao Miguel and take a taxi trip.
>>> 
>>> "E"
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 20, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
 
 Umm, they'd call up a travel agent and book a flight to PDL. LOL Unless 
 they were doing a cruise. The cruise lines pull into port and take a day 
 trip there. Do a search for: cruise to azores. I see Princess Cruises and 
 Royal Caribbean.
 
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
 Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 6:15 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
> How would my friends get to Furnas?? They are not Portuguese..
> 
> "E"
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 20, 2017, at 6:13 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> 
>> Manuel, Jose, Francisco, Antonio, Joao..they are all taxi drivers!
>> 
>> They cook the food in the ground at Furnas. It's not a tour. Maybe the 
>> tea factory has tours.
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 6:05 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
>>> What is the name of the Taxi driver in Sal Miguel and what is the place 
>>> on the tour where the make the food in the ground??? There??
>>> 
>>> "E"
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 20, 2017, at 2:43 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
  wrote:
 
 Lent and Easter were "closed" seasons in the church. That meant that 
 except for special circumstances, e.g. the bride was pregnant, the 
 groom was going off to war and wanted to marry the woman who could 
 potentially be carrying his child, etc, etc, marriages were not 
 performed. I remember that as an altar boy before Vatican II, I would 
 note that marriages in the Lenten and Advent seasons were very quiet, 
 low-keyed affairs. I knew of one case where the bride and groom had to 
 apply to the Bishop for permission to marry in Advent; he was about to 
 go off to war. Permission was granted. 
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 John
 
 
 On Saturday, May 20, 2017 4:18 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores 
 Genealogy  wrote:
 
 
 Does anyone here have the vaguest notion as to why hardly anyone in 
 the Azores got married in March?
 Just curious...
 
 Jeremy
 -- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
 Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
 an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
 
 
 -- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
 Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
 an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
>>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
>> an email to azores+unsub

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Empty March

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I don't really know either but just feel that Cheri is right with it being 
Lent. I feel like even I learned that in Catholic school when I was young 
People waited until after Easter. My grandma used to also say that most did not 
marry in August because that was the month of "sorrows". This just came to me 
and wonder if anyone else heard of this. My grandparents did get married in 
August:)

Susan Vargas Murphy 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2017, at 10:19 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone here have the vaguest notion as to why hardly anyone in the 
> Azores got married in March?
> Just curious...
> 
> Jeremy
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA Project News email

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I don't remember one and also checked my trash and don't see one.

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 10, 2017, at 10:29 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Did any existing FTDNA customers get the email that I sent through the FTDNA 
> system regarding the DNA Project? It basically reminded people to upload 
> their Gedcom, the project was growing, the conference in Salt Lake. And maybe 
> a couple of other things.
> 
> FTDNA said it went out. The few people I've asked said they didn't get it. So 
> I need more than a few to tell me that they didn't get it.  Thanks! Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Corvo surnames: de Avelar (Avellar), Vallentine.

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Great news Sarah! 
I have used a terrific guide on Sao Miguel on three trips... Gary Travassos... 
With limited time he can get you where you need to go. 
http://www.azoreantours.com

Have a wonderful time!

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Sarah Avellar  wrote:
> 
> Thanks! Found the book by Francisco Gomes with Flores and Corvo church 
> records and trying to learn to read Portuguese. We have 3 days on Flores, 
> hope we get to Corvo, and 1 on Sao Miguel.
> 
>> On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 1:09:40 AM UTC-4, Susan Vargas Murphy wrote:
>> Hi Sarah,
>> 
>> We went to Flores in 2014 and used Silvio Medina for a full day tour on 
>> Flores. There were 8 of us, including 4 teens/children. He was very  good 
>> and I would recommend doing something like this. He knows everything about 
>> the island and speaks English very well. 
>> 
>> His company is Tours of Flores and there are reviews on Trip advisor but I 
>> just looked and some people mention a Marco. Maybe he has involved someone 
>> else in his business.
>> 
>> Sadly we could not go to Corvo as the weather was not good and the boats 
>> were not running on the day we had saved for this. 
>> 
>> Flores is beautiful and not as touched with the modern world as some of the 
>> other islands. Very quiet there. I hope you consider spending a little 
>> time on one of the other islands. Sao Miguel is quite spectacular. 
>> 
>> Here is the Flores guide:
>> 
>> https://toursofflores.com/contact/
>> 
>> You are in for a treat!
>> 
>> Susan Vargas Murphy 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Sarah Avellar  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Researching husband's ancestors on Corvo with surnames: de Avelar 
>>> (Avellar), Vallentine. Both families came to CA in 1880 - 1901. Also 
>>> planning a trip to Flores and Corvo soon. Any suggestions? 
>>> I don't read Portuguese and I find the hand-written parish records too 
>>> difficult to decipher. I do have a Portuguese dictionary. Are there other 
>>> sources of birth, death, marriage information? Any English translations? 
>>> Thanks!
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com.
>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help w/margin translation Santa Barbara, Santa Maria

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Rick,
I'm so totally out of practice so not sure why I looked:) but I took the 
writing to say venti de Agosto? I never get do do das dos in my head so you may 
be right:)

It says he died in the place of Ribeira of some name I can't read (I've never 
researched here) in parish of Santa Barbara.

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>  wrote:
> 
> I see the written  “venti deis”  which is the day he died the date 22 Aug 
> 1952 is at the bottom which is the date the note was written.
>  
> Rick
>  
> From: aportugee via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 1:46 PM
> To: 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help w/margin translation Santa Barbara, 
> Santa Maria
>  
> That’s two that have said it is the 20th when he died.  Can anyone else 
> weight in on the place of death?  Is it Santa Barbara or Bermuda?
>  
> Thanks, Susan, Rick and Cheri for your help!
>  
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>  
> From: 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy
> Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 10:41 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help w/margin translation Santa Barbara, 
> Santa Maria
>  
> I think he died on 20th though?
>  
> Susan 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 6, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is a note concerning his death. I can make out  No 103 and a date 22 Aug 
> 1952
>  
> Rick
>  
> From: aportugee via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 12:55 PM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help w/margin translation Santa Barbara, Santa 
> Maria
>  
> Hello;  Can someone please take a look at this side margin note and see if 
> they can decipher it for me?  I think it might include his obit date.  It’s 
> Manoel, bottom right, I think it says #26.  I’ve been able to get all the 
> pertinent information from the body of the document but; haven’t a clue what 
> the margin note is about.  Thanks in advance..
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P117.html
>  
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>  
>  
> 
> Virus-free. www.avast.com
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>  
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help w/margin translation Santa Barbara, Santa Maria

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I think he died on 20th though?

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is a note concerning his death. I can make out  No 103 and a date 22 Aug 
> 1952
>  
> Rick
>  
> From: aportugee via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 12:55 PM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help w/margin translation Santa Barbara, Santa 
> Maria
>  
> Hello;  Can someone please take a look at this side margin note and see if 
> they can decipher it for me?  I think it might include his obit date.  It’s 
> Manoel, bottom right, I think it says #26.  I’ve been able to get all the 
> pertinent information from the body of the document but; haven’t a clue what 
> the margin note is about.  Thanks in advance..
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P117.html
>  
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>  
>  
> 
> Virus-free. www.avast.com
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

John Thank you for this! Very fascinating!
Susan Vargas Murphy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2017, at 7:40 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Margaret,
> 
> This is from an article I wrote many years ago.
> 
> Yankee Azoreans
>  
>  
> John Miranda Raposo
>  
>  
> This is not a work about the thousands of immigrants who have come to New 
> England from the nine islands of the Azores. Rather, this work is primarily 
> concerned with the descendants of Thomas Hickling, a Boston Yankee who 
> settled on São Miguel and became the patriarch of a large clan on both sides 
> of the Atlantic.
>  
> Thomas Hickling was born in Boston on 21-2-1744 into the prosperous merchant 
> family of  William Hickling of Nottingham, England and Sarah Townsend Sale. 
> At the age of eighteen, his father arranged an apprenticeship for him with 
> the prosperous Green brothers and in 1764 he married their sister, Sarah 
> Emily Green, fifteen years his senior, in Boston's old Trinity Church.[1] 
> There is some speculation that it was a marriage of convenience, arranged 
> either for social or economic reasons, or both. In any event Hickling 
> fulfilled his marital duty becoming the father of two children by his first 
> wife. Catherine Green Hickling was born in Salem in 1768 and William Green 
> Hickling was born in 1765. Their father soon left his family and located to 
> the Caribbean where he traded in molasses which he shipped back to his 
> father's distillery in Boston.[2] He must have been an enterprising sort, for 
> he perceived the commercial possibilities in the Azores because in 1769 be 
> was living in Ponta Delgada. Thomas Hickling never returned to America and 
> never lived anywhere else.
>  
> He became one of the principal developers of the orange trade, the export of 
> oranges to England, which became the basis for the colossal fortunes of many 
> of São Miguel's socially prominent families and paid for the construction of 
> many a palácio, those grand manor houses with their lovely English and French 
> gardens still seen throughout the island. In 1820 Hickling exported nearly 
> 5,700 crates or oranges and 2,000 crates of lemons from Ponta Delgada. But 
> the firm of his sons-in-law Ivens & Burnett exported over 11,000 crates.[3] 
> At the height of the orange age 93% of the oranges produced in São Miguel 
> were exported.  But the Hicklings and many other "gentlemen farmers" were 
> brought to financial ruin at the end of the century when the orange trade 
> came to an end, victim of a blight that first attacked the orange groves in 
> 1834, again in 1860 and finally destroyed the remaining groves at the end of 
> the century. The financial ruin resulted in a reduced standard of living for 
> these "gentlemen farmers", many of whom could no longer afford the upkeep on 
> their  lovely homes and gardens. Many can still be seen in the suburbs 
> surrounding Ponta Delgada and Lagoa,  their dilapidated state a silent 
> witness to both the greatness and the misery of the age.[4]
>  
> News traveled slowly and it must have been months before Hickling learned 
> that Sarah Green, the wife he had last seen twelve years earlier, had died in 
> Boston in May of 1774. He could not have mourned her death very much for not 
> long after, in February 1778,  the young widower married Suzanne Sarah Falder 
> of Philadelphia, fifteen years his junior. It must have been love at first 
> sight since the young Sarah just happened to be passing through Ponta Delgada 
> in the company of her father, Thomas Falder. Between the time of their 
> marriage and 1808 they produced 16 children, all born in São Miguel, 
> including two sets of twins.[5] Thus, came into being the first generation of 
> Yankee Azoreans.
>  
> Throughout his lifetime on São Miguel, the Protestant Hickling was very 
> ecumenical; whenever a Protestant minister was unavailable at the frequent 
> arrivals of new Hicklings, he had them baptized in the Catholic Church.[6]
>  
> In 1776 Thomas Hickling was appointed American Vice Consul in Ponta Delgada, 
> a post he held until his death some fifty years later. Hickling became 
> socially prominent and popular for his sincerity and friendliness. His 
> diplomatic and social positions on the island made him a natural good will 
> ambassador who often received and entertained visiting foreigners. Over the 
> years his business ventures made him a fabulously wealthy man and he built 
> three magnificent estates on the island. In 1792 he was living on Rua da 
> Misericórdia. His first manor house with a curved northern side and curved 
> outer steps leading to what must have been a magnificent lawn, was built in 
> Rosto do Cão in the parish of São Roque on the outskirts of Ponta Delgada.[7] 
>  In 1812 he began building the Palácio de São Pedro. Built in the Georgian 
> colonial style, it cost Hickling nearly $30,000.00, a huge fortune at the 
> time and it was considered the grande

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: ***UPEC ... early membership records now online***

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Caroline,

Your words are music to our ears:) So nice to know that our efforts helped 
someone!

Susan Vargas Murphy 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> So glad you were able to find something, Caroline! More people need to check 
> out those records, a gold mine for sure! Kathy and Susan put in a lot of time 
> and effort so that we wouldn't have to order the microfilm and just have it 
> at our fingertips! 
> 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 8:49 PM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:
>> I'm so glad you found something helpful!
>> 
>> Kathy
>> Sent from my iPad
>> ~~~
>> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/
>> ~~~
>> 
>> 
>> > On Apr 24, 2017, at 8:39 PM, Caroline Gomes  wrote:
>> >
>> > Today was the first time I thought of looking at these records for my 
>> > husband's side of the family and I was able to find info that had been 
>> > hiding from me.
>> >
>> > I just had to know where to look!
>> >
>> > Thank you!
>> > Caroline
>> 
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Corvo surnames: de Avelar (Avellar), Vallentine.

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Sarah,

We went to Flores in 2014 and used Silvio Medina for a full day tour on Flores. 
There were 8 of us, including 4 teens/children. He was very  good and I would 
recommend doing something like this. He knows everything about the island and 
speaks English very well. 

His company is Tours of Flores and there are reviews on Trip advisor but I just 
looked and some people mention a Marco. Maybe he has involved someone else in 
his business.

Sadly we could not go to Corvo as the weather was not good and the boats were 
not running on the day we had saved for this. 

Flores is beautiful and not as touched with the modern world as some of the 
other islands. Very quiet there. I hope you consider spending a little time 
on one of the other islands. Sao Miguel is quite spectacular. 

Here is the Flores guide:

https://toursofflores.com/contact/

You are in for a treat!

Susan Vargas Murphy 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 19, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Sarah Avellar  wrote:
> 
> Researching husband's ancestors on Corvo with surnames: de Avelar (Avellar), 
> Vallentine. Both families came to CA in 1880 - 1901. Also planning a trip to 
> Flores and Corvo soon. Any suggestions? 
> I don't read Portuguese and I find the hand-written parish records too 
> difficult to decipher. I do have a Portuguese dictionary. Are there other 
> sources of birth, death, marriage information? Any English translations? 
> Thanks!
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I thought John said he wanted to find a place for them AFTER you took them to 
Salt Lake?

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 6, 2017, at 9:35 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> I offered to take them to Salt Lake for John. Salt Lake can microfilm or 
> digitize them and make them available to anyone, anywhere in the world with a 
> computer. However, John would rather that they go to the Freitas or Tulare 
> library as he has discussed.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 9:16 AM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> Doreen,
>> 
>> Thanks for sharing. I've been to the Tulare library and know how it works. 
>> (But, others on this list might not.)  I was only giving John more options 
>> in case his first plan didn't pan out. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 8:54 AM,  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Tulare City Library actual has a Genealogy room that is staffed with 
>>> volunteers.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy
>>> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 7:11 PM
>>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> John,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Tulare does have a good genealogy section for their library. So, does the 
>>> downtown Fresno County Library with it's California section (although I had 
>>> heard that it might move or maybe has moved to the new, larger Woodward 
>>> Park Library. ) Just another option if the others don't pan out. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gayle
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 1:55 PM, John Vasconcelos  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Great idea Cheri, we need to figure out how to get them to you. Susan, I 
>>> was thinking about maybe donating them to the Freitas Library (after Cheri 
>>> gets them filmed), but after what you said, maybe I can donate them to a 
>>> Kings County historical organization of some type so it would be available 
>>> locally. I recall that Arlene Vierra Marcoux (who was born in the Hanford 
>>> Area), published her family genealogy and donated a copy to the Turlare 
>>> County Library which apparantly agreed to take that into their collection.. 
>>> I found Arlene's mother in the SPRSI books I have. So I'll copy her and get 
>>> her input.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>> 
>>> John, I think you should give them to me so I can take them to Salt Lake to 
>>> be filmed. Then they will have world wide distribution.
>>> 
>>> Cheri
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 6:32 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I have been wondering the same thing John! I would not give them to these 
>>> organizations that have taken in the SPRSI and the others (Luso and 
>>> PFSA) I just don't think they will be interested in sharing the 
>>> information with people who are searching. This is just my intuition, not 
>>> based on any inquiry. I did try to find info on one of the men's groups 
>>> once and the person I talked to was not cooperative.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I have thought about the Freitas Library as I think they allow others to 
>>> look at them (I know Kathy Cardoza went there many years ago and got access 
>>> to UPEC) 
>>> 
>>> I have also thought about the Portuguese History Museum in San Jose but 
>>> don't know exactly what their focus is.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I'm leaning on giving what I have to the Museum of Local History in Mission 
>>> San Jose as I like the idea of keeping them within the community where 
>>> these women lived and think that those who are really interested will 
>>&g

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] My Thomas Jose & Barbara Caetana

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Wonderful prima!
Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2017, at 9:23 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> I just had to share my find of the year! While emailing Louie Avila last 
> week, he mentioned something about couples from Sao Jorge going to Terceira 
> to marry. Who knows really why but it happened. My Thomas Jose was from 
> Calheta, Sao Jorge and Barbara Caetana from Ribeira Seca, SJ. The marriage 
> records for both villages are there for the time period needed but I could 
> not find them. After Louie mentioned the possibility of Terceira, I checked 
> the Terceira marriage records PDF. Low and behold, there they were in 1754! I 
> know it is them because I did know Thomas' parents names. To make it even 
> better, Barbara's Mom is the sis of one of my greatgrandfathers! I already 
> had them in my database. So, don't give up, follow up every clue no matter 
> how suspect! Now I have four more generations in my tree. Some of them are 
> even mentioned in Notas Historicas which is about the village of Calheta. 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to Group Silva (Pico) and Avila (Sao Jorge) families

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Yes Kellie I would think you can get the marriage from Vital Statistics of 
Alameda County and once you do, and know the exact date then you could request 
a copy of the church marriage register, from St Patrick's in Menlo Park to see 
if it might give where they were from. Others might know if you can do this as 
I got all my information from then back in the time when I could personally 
look. The name of the person/priest who performed the ceremony should give a 
hint about in which parish they were married.

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 27, 2017, at 4:13 PM, Kellie Crnkovich  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Susan. I typed the census info in probably 10 or more years ago. I 
> had not been able to do any research for several years and just got back into 
> it so I don't know. I will change it. From the will I did get that it was 
> Manuel Pereira Silva which I had always assumed but family always just said 
> Perry. So that was good. I was hoping the Mission was better now when I had 
> tried years ago I could not get any info. 
> 
> I did find the index for marriage cert on Ancestry list wife M De N Avila 
> (Mariana) not spelled out
> Has number 4295 on the left side of the record and book N Page 431 in the 
> record. Can I get this from Alameda viral records?
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to Group Silva (Pico) and Avila (Sao Jorge) families

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Kellie,

I looked up your family from the info below because my family also comes from 
this area. I was wondering why you have “Emeryville” in your generated report 
for where he was in 1900? It looks to me that he was in Washington Township, 
Alameda County, California. I don’t know if you are familiar with this area or 
not. You say he died in “Alameda” California and there is an Alameda in 
California but that is a city and then there is Alameda County in which there 
was once Washington Township….a collection of small towns. Emeryville was not 
one of them.
There is a will listed on Ancestry for Manuel Perry/Pereira Silva and it says 
he lived in Newark, which was in Washington Township. The will says his wife 
was Mariana, 38, Anthony 21, Joseph, 15, Mary 10…..other parts of will, 
probably filed at a later time, make ages one year older. 

Hope this helps sort it out some…
Susan Vargas Murphy

> On Mar 25, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Kellie Crnkovich  
> wrote:
> 
> I found this group after joining the Azores FTDNA project I am in the process 
> of awaiting family finder results in next few weeks. As my mtDNA is not 
> Azores related since my mothers father was the line. He was born in Alameda 
> County, California his christened name Anthony Bernard Silva. His father 
> Manuel Perry Silva came to California in 1870 from the Azores (per Grandpa 
> from Pico) with 2 brothers (I believe Antone and Joseph per census records). 
> In 1890 a bride was sent from the Azores Marianna Avila (I have gotten many 
> generations of her Family). Years ago a cousin from Sao Jorge helped me with 
> her genealogy. I am stuck on Manuel though trying to find his correct Silva 
> family. Hoping family finder will help. Grandpa was older when my mom was 
> born and passed away when I was 7. I was very close with as he lived with us.
> 
> This is what I have.
> 193. MANUEL PERRY SILVA (Anthony's father) was born in July 1846, in Pico, 
> Azores, to Mr. Silva231 and Ms. Silva232. In 1870, aged about 23, he 
> immigrated to according to 1900 census came to U.S. in 1870. He was recorded 
> in the census in 1880, aged about 33, in Washington, Alameda, California, 
> USA. In 1900, aged about 53, he was a Listed as saloon keeper. Manuel was a 
> Farmer. He was recorded in the census in 1900, aged about 53, in Emeryville 
> city, Alameda, California, USA. Manuel died on 25 February 1917, aged 70, in 
> Alameda, CA. Manuel was buried in Holy Spirit Cemetery, 5250 Central Ave, 
> Fremont, CA. 
> 
> I would love to find more about his family and where they came from. I can't 
> wait to meet more Avila and Silva family out there. I also have a site at 
> MyHeritage.com that family can join in and add new info to the tree. 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Kellie
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hello Sam,
I checked carefully and she was not there.
Susan

> On Mar 19, 2017, at 5:19 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes only women. I will check for Rose Coelho (nee Fraga). 
> Susan 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 19, 2017, at 5:03 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy 
> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Susan;  The SPRSI was women only, right?  By chance does your book hold any 
>> record of my mom, Rose Coelho, nee Fraga?  I know my dad belonged to a 
>> fraternal organization but; not sure if my mom did or not.  I think, not.
>>  
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>  
>> From: 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 4:58 PM
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records
>>  
>> Celeste has UPPEC death records I believe.
>>  
>> I have the membership book from one councilvery small, #84 Warm Springs 
>> CA (now part of Fremont).
>>  
>> You could call the main office and see if they have contact info for the 
>> council that was located where your ancestor lived. SPRSI has been taken in 
>> by Luso-American Life Insurance Society, 7080 Donlon Way Suite 200,Dublin, Ca
>> Www.luso-American.org <http://www.luso-american.org/>
>> 877-525-LUSO 
>>  
>> I'd be interested to hear what you find out. 
>>  
>> I have a hunch each of the councils were not organized with what they did 
>> with their membership rosters. I am just guessing from my experience with 
>> #84. 
>>  
>> I took 84 membership book and their minutes to Salt Lake City and had them 
>> microfilmed some years back.
>>  
>> Susan Vargas Murphy
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 19, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Cheri Mello > <mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Celeste Perry had some, but I don't remember which ladies organization. 
>> Hopefully she'll answer soon.
>> 
>> On Mar 19, 2017 8:15 AM, "lisahbskt via Azores Genealogy" 
>> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> Does anyone know if and where any existing records for SPRSI might be found? 
>>  
>> My great grandmother Maria Azevedo Chipman was the state President at one 
>> time.
>>  
>> Thank you!
>>  
>> Lisa Caetano Harley
>> researching Pico & Sao Jorge
>>  
>>  
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon>
>>  Virus-free. www.avast.com 
>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link>
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Exactly!! That's why I've been giving this a lot of thought!! The Freitas 
Library was not helpful at all when Kathy needed some help on another matter a 
couple of years ago. They could have cared less about helping researchers.I 
say that because they would give her lip service when she approached them 
numerous times but NEVER get back to her:( 
Susan

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2017, at 8:11 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Someone will put them away, then there will be a new committee the next year 
> and they will move the books and the following year someone else will move 
> the books, then the next committee will not know what to do with such "old" 
> things and through them away. You just don't know what decision that someone 
> will make. And if you go to ask to view them? They won't know who's on first.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 8:04 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Because that group joined Luso, it could make sense that they MIGHT want to 
>> have the old books.  However, I don't know if they are interested so maybe 
>> something like the Freitas Library would make sense.
>> Celeste
>> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 3/19/17, John Vasconcelos  wrote:
>> 
>>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records
>>  To: "azores" 
>>  Date: Sunday, March 19, 2017, 5:58 PM
>> 
>>  Susan and Celeste,
>>  My aunt, Maria E. Vasconcelos
>>  Sousa was a member and for many years, an officer of Council
>>  42 of the SRPSI in Hanford from at least 1916, until her
>>  death in 1957. I have some two of her minutes books: one
>>  from 1916 to 1924  and the other from 1934 to 1941.
>>  Wondering to which organization I should donate them to,
>>  John Vasconcelos
>> 
>>  On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at
>>  5:37 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>  The death records for the Union Portuguese Protetorda do
>>  Estado do California (not sure of spelling) is the fraternal
>>  organization (U.P.P.E.C.) and was the only organization I
>>  put into a database.  I think the S.P.R.S.I. joined
>>  Luso.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   The U.P.P.E.C., the U.P.E.C., the I.D.E.S. and I think one
>>  other organization became P.F.S.A. (Portuguese Fraternal
>>  Society of America.)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  The one time I attempted to look at the S.P.R.S.I.,
>>  (probably 20 years ago) I was told the "old"
>>  records were somewhere in their basement and they could not
>>  locate them.
>> 
>>  Celeste
>> 
>>  Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  -- --
>> 
>>  On Sun, 3/19/17, Cheri Mello
>>  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records
>> 
>>   To: azores@googlegroups.com
>> 
>>   Date: Sunday, March 19, 2017, 4:15 PM
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   Celeste Perry had some,
>> 
>>   but I don't remember which ladies organization.
>> 
>>   Hopefully she'll answer soon.
>> 
>>   On Mar 19, 2017 8:15
>> 
>>   AM, "lisahbskt via Azores Genealogy" 
>> 
>>   wrote:
>> 
>>   Does anyone know if and
>> 
>>   where any existing records for SPRSI might be found?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   My great grandmother Maria Azevedo Chipman was the
>> 
>>   state President at one time.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   Thank you!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   Lisa Caetano Harley
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   researching Pico & Sao Jorge
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   --
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   You received this message because you are subscribed to
>>  the
>> 
>>   Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving
>>  emails
>> 
>>   from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@
>> 
>>   googlegroups.com.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/
>> 
>>   group/azores.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   --
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   You received this message because you are subscribed to
>>  the
>> 
>>   Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving
>>  emails
>> 
>>   from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@
>>  googlegroups.com.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/
>>  group/azores.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  --
>> 
>>  You received this message because you are subscribed to the
>>  Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> 
>>  To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
>>  from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@
>>  googlegroups.com.
>> 
>>  Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/
>>  group/azores.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  --
>> 
>>  You received this message because you are subscribed to the
>>  Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Great idea Cheri!
Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2017, at 7:24 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> John, I think you should give them to me so I can take them to Salt Lake to 
> be filmed. Then they will have world wide distribution.
> 
> Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 6:32 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> I have been wondering the same thing John! I would not give them to these 
>> organizations that have taken in the SPRSI and the others (Luso and 
>> PFSA) I just don't think they will be interested in sharing the 
>> information with people who are searching. This is just my intuition, not 
>> based on any inquiry. I did try to find info on one of the men's groups once 
>> and the person I talked to was not cooperative.
>> 
>> I have thought about the Freitas Library as I think they allow others to 
>> look at them (I know Kathy Cardoza went there many years ago and got access 
>> to UPEC) 
>> I have also thought about the Portuguese History Museum in San Jose but 
>> don't know exactly what their focus is.
>> 
>> I'm leaning on giving what I have to the Museum of Local History in Mission 
>> San Jose as I like the idea of keeping them within the community where these 
>> women lived and think that those who are really interested will probably 
>> access their collection. 
>> 
>> I was responsible for my mom's cousin who died last year at age 95. She had 
>> all the scrap books and the flag used in parades and the regalia that they 
>> wore at meetings. I have already given them the flag and am making 
>> arrangements right now to give the regalia. I hope to give the books also 
>> but am not quite ready to give them up;)
>> 
>> I am concerned for the legacy of the books... That is why I bothered to 
>> carry them to Salt Lake to be microfilmed. That makes me feel good to know 
>> if someone really searches, they will find them! 
>> 
>> Susan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 19, 2017, at 5:58 PM, John Vasconcelos  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Susan and Celeste,
>>> My aunt, Maria E. Vasconcelos Sousa was a member and for many years, an 
>>> officer of Council 42 of the SRPSI in Hanford from at least 1916, until her 
>>> death in 1957. I have some two of her minutes books: one from 1916 to 1924  
>>> and the other from 1934 to 1941. Wondering to which organization I should 
>>> donate them to,
>>> John Vasconcelos 
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 5:37 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The death records for the Union Portuguese Protetorda do Estado do 
>>>> California (not sure of spelling) is the fraternal organization 
>>>> (U.P.P.E.C.) and was the only organization I put into a database.  I think 
>>>> the S.P.R.S.I. joined Luso.
>>>> 
>>>>  The U.P.P.E.C., the U.P.E.C., the I.D.E.S. and I think one other 
>>>> organization became P.F.S.A. (Portuguese Fraternal Society of America.)
>>>> 
>>>> The one time I attempted to look at the S.P.R.S.I., (probably 20 years 
>>>> ago) I was told the "old" records were somewhere in their basement and 
>>>> they could not locate them.
>>>> Celeste
>>>> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, 3/19/17, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records
>>>>  To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>>>  Date: Sunday, March 19, 2017, 4:15 PM
>>>> 
>>>>  Celeste Perry had some,
>>>>  but I don't remember which ladies organization.
>>>>  Hopefully she'll answer soon.
>>>>  On Mar 19, 2017 8:15
>>>>  AM, "lisahbskt via Azores Genealogy" 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>  Does anyone know if and
>>>>  where any existing records for SPRSI might be found?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  My great grandmother Maria Azevedo Chipman was the
>>>>  state President at one time.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  Thank you!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi John,

I have been wondering the same thing John! I would not give them to these 
organizations that have taken in the SPRSI and the others (Luso and PFSA) I 
just don't think they will be interested in sharing the information with people 
who are searching. This is just my intuition, not based on any inquiry. I did 
try to find info on one of the men's groups once and the person I talked to was 
not cooperative.

I have thought about the Freitas Library as I think they allow others to look 
at them (I know Kathy Cardoza went there many years ago and got access to UPEC) 
I have also thought about the Portuguese History Museum in San Jose but don't 
know exactly what their focus is.

I'm leaning on giving what I have to the Museum of Local History in Mission San 
Jose as I like the idea of keeping them within the community where these women 
lived and think that those who are really interested will probably access their 
collection. 

I was responsible for my mom's cousin who died last year at age 95. She had all 
the scrap books and the flag used in parades and the regalia that they wore at 
meetings. I have already given them the flag and am making arrangements right 
now to give the regalia. I hope to give the books also but am not quite ready 
to give them up;)

I am concerned for the legacy of the books... That is why I bothered to carry 
them to Salt Lake to be microfilmed. That makes me feel good to know if someone 
really searches, they will find them! 

Susan

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2017, at 5:58 PM, John Vasconcelos  wrote:
> 
> Susan and Celeste,
> My aunt, Maria E. Vasconcelos Sousa was a member and for many years, an 
> officer of Council 42 of the SRPSI in Hanford from at least 1916, until her 
> death in 1957. I have some two of her minutes books: one from 1916 to 1924  
> and the other from 1934 to 1941. Wondering to which organization I should 
> donate them to,
> John Vasconcelos 
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 5:37 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The death records for the Union Portuguese Protetorda do Estado do 
>> California (not sure of spelling) is the fraternal organization (U.P.P.E.C.) 
>> and was the only organization I put into a database.  I think the S.P.R.S.I. 
>> joined Luso.
>> 
>>  The U.P.P.E.C., the U.P.E.C., the I.D.E.S. and I think one other 
>> organization became P.F.S.A. (Portuguese Fraternal Society of America.)
>> 
>> The one time I attempted to look at the S.P.R.S.I., (probably 20 years ago) 
>> I was told the "old" records were somewhere in their basement and they could 
>> not locate them.
>> Celeste
>> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 3/19/17, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> 
>>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records
>>  To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>  Date: Sunday, March 19, 2017, 4:15 PM
>> 
>>  Celeste Perry had some,
>>  but I don't remember which ladies organization.
>>  Hopefully she'll answer soon.
>>  On Mar 19, 2017 8:15
>>  AM, "lisahbskt via Azores Genealogy" 
>>  wrote:
>>  Does anyone know if and
>>  where any existing records for SPRSI might be found?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  My great grandmother Maria Azevedo Chipman was the
>>  state President at one time.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Thank you!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Lisa Caetano Harley
>> 
>>  researching Pico & Sao Jorge
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  --
>> 
>>  You received this message because you are subscribed to the
>>  Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> 
>>  To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
>>  from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@
>>  googlegroups.com.
>> 
>>  Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/
>>  group/azores.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  --
>> 
>>  You received this message because you are subscribed to the
>>  Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> 
>>  To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
>>  from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> 
>>  Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/g

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

CeleseI think maybe the S.E.S also joined P.F.S.A.?

Susan

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2017, at 5:37 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The death records for the Union Portuguese Protetorda do Estado do California 
> (not sure of spelling) is the fraternal organization (U.P.P.E.C.) and was the 
> only organization I put into a database.  I think the S.P.R.S.I. joined Luso. 
> 
> The U.P.P.E.C., the U.P.E.C., the I.D.E.S. and I think one other organization 
> became P.F.S.A. (Portuguese Fraternal Society of America.)
> 
> The one time I attempted to look at the S.P.R.S.I., (probably 20 years ago) I 
> was told the "old" records were somewhere in their basement and they could 
> not locate them.
> Celeste
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
> 
> 
> On Sun, 3/19/17, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, March 19, 2017, 4:15 PM
> 
> Celeste Perry had some,
> but I don't remember which ladies organization.
> Hopefully she'll answer soon.
> On Mar 19, 2017 8:15
> AM, "lisahbskt via Azores Genealogy" 
> wrote:
> Does anyone know if and
> where any existing records for SPRSI might be found?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My great grandmother Maria Azevedo Chipman was the
> state President at one time.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lisa Caetano Harley
> 
> researching Pico & Sao Jorge
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the
> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
> from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@
> googlegroups.com.
> 
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/
> group/azores.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the
> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
> from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> 
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Yes only women. I will check for Rose Coelho (nee Fraga). 
Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2017, at 5:03 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Susan;  The SPRSI was women only, right?  By chance does your book hold any 
> record of my mom, Rose Coelho, nee Fraga?  I know my dad belonged to a 
> fraternal organization but; not sure if my mom did or not.  I think, not.
>  
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>  
> From: 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy
> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 4:58 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records
>  
> Celeste has UPPEC death records I believe.
>  
> I have the membership book from one councilvery small, #84 Warm Springs 
> CA (now part of Fremont).
>  
> You could call the main office and see if they have contact info for the 
> council that was located where your ancestor lived. SPRSI has been taken in 
> by Luso-American Life Insurance Society, 7080 Donlon Way Suite 200,Dublin, Ca
> Www.luso-American.org
> 877-525-LUSO 
>  
> I'd be interested to hear what you find out. 
>  
> I have a hunch each of the councils were not organized with what they did 
> with their membership rosters. I am just guessing from my experience with 
> #84. 
>  
> I took 84 membership book and their minutes to Salt Lake City and had them 
> microfilmed some years back.
>  
> Susan Vargas Murphy
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 19, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Celeste Perry had some, but I don't remember which ladies organization. 
> Hopefully she'll answer soon.
> 
> On Mar 19, 2017 8:15 AM, "lisahbskt via Azores Genealogy" 
>  wrote:
> Does anyone know if and where any existing records for SPRSI might be found?
>  
> My great grandmother Maria Azevedo Chipman was the state President at one 
> time.
>  
> Thank you!
>  
> Lisa Caetano Harley
> researching Pico & Sao Jorge
>  
>  
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
>  
> 
>   Virus-free. www.avast.com
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Celeste has UPPEC death records I believe.

I have the membership book from one councilvery small, #84 Warm Springs CA 
(now part of Fremont).

You could call the main office and see if they have contact info for the 
council that was located where your ancestor lived. SPRSI has been taken in by 
Luso-American Life Insurance Society, 7080 Donlon Way Suite 200,Dublin, Ca
Www.luso-American.org
877-525-LUSO 

I'd be interested to hear what you find out. 

I have a hunch each of the councils were not organized with what they did with 
their membership rosters. I am just guessing from my experience with #84. 

I took 84 membership book and their minutes to Salt Lake City and had them 
microfilmed some years back.

Susan Vargas Murphy


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Celeste Perry had some, but I don't remember which ladies organization. 
> Hopefully she'll answer soon.
> 
>> On Mar 19, 2017 8:15 AM, "lisahbskt via Azores Genealogy" 
>>  wrote:
>> Does anyone know if and where any existing records for SPRSI might be found?
>> 
>> My great grandmother Maria Azevedo Chipman was the state President at one 
>> time.
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> 
>> Lisa Caetano Harley
>> researching Pico & Sao Jorge
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Got my book

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Thanks Rosemarie…will go to the post office tomorrow!
Susan
> On Mar 16, 2017, at 9:58 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> Yes, we had to sign for the package. I think that's a good thing for them to 
> pay for to make sure that it arrived. 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com <mailto:rcap...@gmail.com>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 8:46 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
> I think mine arrived too! I have a notice that I got something book related 
> and have to sign for it? Did you have to sign? 
> Susan 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 16, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  <mailto:rcap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> ​Edna,isn't it great? I love mine and am still going over it page-by-page! I 
>> just hope I never see some of those crazy abbeviations in my research! ​
>> 
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com <mailto:rcap...@gmail.com>
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Edna Epps > <mailto:dave-e...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>   I got my book yesterday!
>> Edna Lemos Epps
>> dave-e...@comcast.net <mailto:dave-e...@comcast.net> Proverb 3:5-6
>> Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own 
>> understanding;
>> In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct  <>your paths.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Got my book

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I think mine arrived too! I have a notice that I got something book related and 
have to sign for it? Did you have to sign? 
Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> ​Edna,isn't it great? I love mine and am still going over it page-by-page! I 
> just hope I never see some of those crazy abbeviations in my research! ​
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Edna Epps  wrote:
>>   I got my book yesterday!
>> Edna Lemos Epps
>> dave-e...@comcast.netProverb 3:5-6
>> Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own 
>> understanding;
>> In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths.
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference, Salt Lake City, Utah, August 29-September 1, 2017 now open!

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I've cleared up that week and will be arriving on Tuesday. Excited!
Susan Vargas Murphy 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 8, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists)
> 
> The Portuguese Genealogy Conference and Research Trip has now been finalized.
> 
> Come join us in Salt Lake City, Utah from August 29-September 1st and explore 
> your ancestors with ancestors with us! We will have many classes, computer 
> labs, and lots of one-on-one and research time built in for you. You'll also 
> be able to network with other researchers and maybe even find out another 
> attendees is your cousin!
> 
> Once again, the Conference is hosted at the Salt Lake Plaza Hotel, next door 
> to the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. More information in the 
> registration packet can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: 
> https://goo.gl/ft7B97
> 
> Looking forward to seeing you in Salt Lake! Cheri Mello and Rosemarie 
> Capodicci
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ST Francis habits

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Gordon (and John too),
I  knew that I had saved some information about burials and went looking deep 
into my computer.So here is a posting from 13 years ago and low and behold….it 
was John who answered then:) Here is what he said way back when!  
Susan

From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES] Azorean Death Records
In a message dated 9/14/2004 3:30:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
 uberlin...@aol.com writes:
 On the death records it often describes what the person wearssometimes
 it says a black shroud, or a white shroud. But most often it says they wore 
 a habit of picotewhich I see means coarse clothand this habit will 
 be of "Sao Francisco" or "Nossa Senhora do Carmo" or of the "Irmadade do
 Carmo"Brotherhood of Carmo?
 Most of the people into the early 1800's were buried in the church. Do 
 you think they were buried in coffins?  Does anyone know the significance of
 these clothes they wore?

 Then it usually will say that they are accompanied by the Irmadade das
 AlmasBrotherhood of Souls and "o Colegio" and "Cruzes"..crosses?
 What does this mean.is this symbolic ...that they are joining other 
departed
 souls?? if so, then what are the Colegio and Cruzes?
 It will say that a family member is obligated to have said a certain 
 number of masses. Does this mean that the person left money for that to give 
to 
 the priest? Or does it mean that the person who is obligated should attend 
 that number of masses?  I ask this as so often it would say that they were 
 poor and did not leave a testament, but then there will be someone who is 
obigated to
 have the masses said.  Sometimes the masses are "rezadas" and sometimes 
 "oficial and I don't know what that means. I have seen a couple that say there 
was
 "cantoria"so I assume there was singing?  Almost ALWAYS they were 
 buried the next day after death. I have found very few exceptions to this and 
in 
 those cases, the person seemed to have accidental deaths and probably were not
 found right awayone had drowned and others were found on the rocks.

 I wonder how ALL these people could have been buried in the church??  I
 would think it would create quite an odor at times?  I have heard that in the
 Azores they used to put "lime" on the bodies to help the decomposition. 
 I know in the last century, when the burials were in cemeteries and no longer 
in 
 the churches, I have heard that they dug up the bodies after a certain number 
 of years? Maybe seven?  And then the bones are put in a bone collection 
 crypt??
 I know this is a macabre subject, but I have been working with these 
 records for so long that this questions keep cropping up!  I would appreciate
 anyones knowledge on this.
>From JOHN: 
> In another, more pious age, our Azorean ancestors worried a lot about 
> their
> eternal salvation and the peril to their immortal souls. Thus they usually
> engaged in pious acts and rituals in an attempt to mitigate the suffering 
> that a
> soul in purgatory would have to under go before achieving Paradise. Many 
> of the
> Villages had lay orders and brotherhoods. The "Carmos" and "Franciscanos"
> were the Franciscan and Carmelite lay orders. When their members died, 
> they were
> buried in the habits of Franciscan and Carmelites. Thus "foi enterrado no
> hábito de S. Francisco..." The brotherhoods, such as the Irmandade das 
> Almas, (The
> Brotherhood of the Poor Souls) existed so that the brotherhood arranged to
> (1) accompany the deceased to burial, (2) arrange for masses to be offered
> annually for the repose of deceased members and (3) living members would 
> pray for
> the repose of the deceased members. The Irmandade dos Caixões, (the 
> Brotherhood
> of the Coffins) was a predecessor to the "Benevolent Associations" whereby
> one prepaid one's funeral; i.e., you paid your annual dues and when you 
> died you
> were supplied with a coffin.
>
> As for the obligation of the family to have a certain number of masses
> offered for the repose of the deceased, that was a testamentary 
> obligation. In other
> words, the deceased left his estate to his children on condition that they
> arranged for a certain numbers of Masses to be offered for the repose of 
> the
> testator's soul. You can usually tell how well off someone was by the 
> number of
> Masses they arranged for themselves.
>
> The "Ofício" is the Office or Divine Liturgy, the prayers that every 
> priest
> is still required to say daily, morning, noon, evening and night. A priest
> could recite the Office for the Dead, or offer his daily office, for the 
> repose of
> the deceased.
>
> "Cantoria" would mean a sung high Mass (those of us born before Vatican II
> know what that means: the priest sang the Mass as opposed to mumbling it 
> in
> Latin).
>
> Until the time of the Marquês de Pombal, the deceased were interred 
> beneath
> the floors of the parish church. Prominent families had reserved graves; 
> thus
> s

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit (Graciosa -- da Silva) -- UPDATE

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

If the street name is changed, it's possible that someone would know about it 
locally. But no sense putting the horse before the cart.hopefully it will 
be on the map! 

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Donald Vasconcelos  wrote:
> 
> Ken,
> My cousin is currently in Terceira, and he is going over to Graciosa next 
> week. I will ask him to pick up a street map of the island for you. He knows 
> Graciosa very well since he has been going there since he was 8. He is now in 
> his 40's.
> My e-mail is dfvasc...@gmail.com
> Don Vasconcelos 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 11:04 AM, E. Sharp  wrote:
>> 
>> Don't be surprised if the street name is changed or is no longer there. 
>> 
>> "E"
>> 
>> Sent from my iphone
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "Azores Genealogy" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit (Graciosa -- da Silva) -- UPDATE

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Ken,

I think you have made some great decisions and are making wonderful progress!  
Sorry to scare you off of SATA but I have a feeling that the flight that you 
take from Terceira to Graciosa might be with SATA? I really am no expert at 
all, but I want to reassure you, if it is, that those inter island flights on 
SATA were very good!  The long flights to and from the US were the ones that 
with which we have had all the problems.

Really good idea to just try to have quality time on Graciosa!  I took a look 
at some of your records and just wanted to make sure you saw that they give the 
actual street on which your grandfather was born. Caminho das Fontes!  Maybe 
you will get even more clues in these records but this is a wonderful bit of 
information. You can certainly find that street and know you are walking in the 
footsteps of your ancestors!!

Very excited for you!

Susan Vargas Murphy

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 7:23 AM, Ken Waters  wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> Thanks so much for the replies and suggestions.  I combined all my comments 
> and updates into one e-mail in order to avoid posting too many individual 
> posts on the list.
> 
> Given the comments I saw on SATA it sounds like using TAP as proposed may be 
> a good choice. I think I'd like to pass on getting the "I survived SATA" 
> t-shirt (and the experience).  :-)
> 
> As I mentioned I found $82 Lisbon-Terceira.  I found Lisbon-Graciosa 
> (changing in Terceira) for $144.  I like the idea of taking one of the 
> ferries but from what I saw online and comments found it seems the service 
> can be irregular.  Indeed, online it looked like service was only once a 
> week, particularly during the off-season and I couldn't even find a schedule. 
>  Given all that I feel it might be safer to look at the Lisbon-Graciosa 
> flights.  Perhaps a longer stay could involve the ferry (I love the idea of 
> taking a boat for the scenic aspect) but not this time.
> 
> I took seriously the comments about strategy regarding one versus multiple 
> islands.  I'm pretty locked into no more than 4 days maximum and so I think 
> I'd like to take the tack of doing one island well and that one should be the 
> one where I might have the biggest bang in terms of family searching.  That 
> will allow enough time to thoroughly soak up the culture as well as search 
> for my possible da Silva relations in person and in records. 
> 
> I did take a look at AirBNB and was pleased to find a couple of facilities 
> that look very promising and at very reasonable rates.  I think I will 
> attempt to use one of them for the stay.
> 
> Now, shifting to the da Silva line, I want to thank those who sent promising 
> notes about da Silva/Silva connections in Graciosa:  Leonard, Sue Q, and Don. 
>  I would like to follow up with each of you.  I plan on doing some more 
> pre-trip legwork (including CCA research) to give me a better chance of 
> success on the island.  Along those lines, I started building a website 
> (http://www.familytreeaz.com/Working/daSilva_Graciosa/ 
> ) to help me keep 
> track of my da Silva family and the records found.  I've still got 4 more 
> that I need to find (please disregard those placeholder links for now) and 
> add to the website but do have 4 on there now.  I included both my digital 
> image excerpts of each record as well as the link to the specific page to 
> facilitate better analysis (including others on the same page).  I hope to 
> have the missing 4 up there by this evening. Much thanks to Edna Epps for 
> finding these records that would have probably taken me 10x the time to find. 
>  Here is the family group that I'm referring to:
> 
> PARENTS
> 
> Manuel da Silva, born 9 Oct 1806, Santa Cruz
> Louisa Candida, born 23 Jan 1799, Santa Cruz
> MARRIAGE: 9 Sept 1827, Santa Cruz
> 
> CHILDREN
> 
> Maria da Silva, born 21 June 1828, Santa Cruz
> Francisco da Silva, born 24 Aug 1831, Guadalupe
> Manuel da Silva, born 10 Oct 1837, Guadalupe
> Rita da Silva, born 20 Feb 1841, Guadalupe
> Joao da Silva, born 6 Dec 1845, Guadalupe --> migrated to Yreka CA
>  
> Joao da Silva is my great-grandfather.   Don Vasconcelos, if you are 
> agreeable I might like to look up your relative there, particularly if you 
> think she might be able to have some information that might help.  Do you 
> know if she speaks any English?  As I gain more information going through 
> these records including, hopefully, tie-ins to others who have Silva/da 
> Silva's in Graciosa I will post them to the list.
> 
> Again, thanks All for the great comments and suggestions!
> 
> Ken
> -- 
> Amateur Genetic Genealogist in Mesa, AZ
> Twitter: @FamilyTreeAZ
> Interests: DNA, Azores, San Francisco, early colonial America
> Blog: familytreeAZ.com
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] UPEC membership file question

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Emma Vargas is the beneficiary of the member that is on the page before Emma’s 
entry….Antonio D. Vargas. He is the member, the entry was made on Dec. 14, 
1902, Antonio is member # 40, age 28, married, a worker,  resident of Concord, 
he came from Sao Jorge. On the next page his entry information continues, Emma 
Vargas is his wife, a resident of Concord.  If you look other’s in the column 
are not all women, there is a man who is the father of a member, sometimes it 
might be a son, or daughter etc….or friend, whoever will get the money is the 
member dies. There were insurance policies associated with the membership. 

The other entry is for Joseph Garcia Rosa, age 33, date is Sept 5, 1910, he is 
a resident of Concord, he is from “Capella, Faial” maybe this is Capelo?  his 
beneficiary is Inacia Emilia Vargas, his mother, resident of Rebeira do Cabo, 
Faial. I don’t know what his occuption is. 

Susan Vargas Murphy

> On Feb 28, 2017, at 5:57 PM, Sami  wrote:
> 
>  I am trying to find some ancestors and since this particular one farmed in 
> Concord with her husband, I thought I'd take a look at the membership files 
> for UPEC Concord. I have found two that could be my ancestor: #23 Emma 
> Vargas, and #85 Inacia Emilia Vargas. Could someone please take a look and 
> tell me why these women are noted in this book, i.e. the significance of the 
> entry and any other pertinent information? Thanks so much!  
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gn5xsv2h138r3pu/Concord__20.pdf?dl=0 
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Ok, I will elaborate, as Mary said, I was diplomatic and you will see that I 
was!!  I know this is not genealogy but it is entertaining I think:)

One funny story was the last time I went with my dad, when he was close to 80 
and hard of hearing (so I had to be the “I speak broken Portuguese”  
negotiator)…We sat ON the plane in Oakland for THREE hours for whoever knows 
what reason and consequently got to Terceira very late and missed our 
connecting flight to Faial. (Now mind you, they knew in Terceira that SO many 
on our flight were going on that flight to Faial, and heard that they left with 
only a handful of people,  but they took off without us anyway). So we ended up 
stranded in Terceira waiting for an afternoon flight. We were all in the same 
boat because we had come off the same fight but the people in charge said my 
dad and I  were at the end of the line because our luggage  had come off last!  
OK…..so then they said that our luggage would be going to Faial but we would 
NOT. You can get a visual of me and my cute dad running out on the field 
saying…don’t take our luggage!! They had mixed our luggage up as there was 
another Vargas pair on their way to Faial and thought it was their luggage.   
We had been at the airport for hours and, at that point, I broke down and cried 
because they said we would have to spend the night and we had reservations only 
in Faial. We had had NO sleep!  The sweet lady at the desk called someone and 
got us a hotel and arranged a taxi to take us there. But still we missed a day 
at our destination of Faial.  To be fair that was in about 1997.

Fast forward to just two years ago when we took my daughter’s family to the 
Azores. (it is my goal to try to take all my grandchildren when they are old 
enough). So we were all set to leave on the charter flight from Oakland on a 
Monday. I think it was about Thursday that we got a call that our plane was was 
having problems and they had to “rent” a plane and now we would be leaving on 
Sunday NOT Monday (what?? My grandsons were all in swim championships on Sunday 
and practically had to dry off and change in the car and dash to the airport)  
So…you can imagine, we had NO hotel reservations, so Sata put us up in a hotel 
in Terceira and also paid for our meals because we were a day early…. They also 
transported us to and from the hotel but we were made to wait in a ramshackle 
bus for a long time for them to fill the bus.  Well, it was great to get that 
extra day but little did know that the saga of SATA was not over:)

When we went to fly home two weeks later, we took off and had flown for close 
to an hour when an announcement came on that we were going back. We had not 
picked up altitude and I want you to know that it was SO SCARY and I’m sure a 
LOT of promesas and hail Mary’s were offered up! It felt like we were on the 
little Engine who could…..Not quite make it!!  We were all pretty frightened 
except my youngest grandson who just delighted to be going back!
Now they had to put us up again while the airplane was repaired. This ended up 
being a great experience as it was a festa weekend and most hotels were booked. 
So they sent us by taxi to Quinta do Martelo which is an agritourism place, in 
the countryside.  I slept that night in an old lava rock house and imagined I 
was back in time. The food was the best of our two weeks in the Azores…but I am 
not sure it was worth the frightening experience.  I have to tell you that I 
was still very nervous to get back on the SAME plane to go home the next day. 
But we all lived to tell the story and my only regret was that we did not buy 
those T Shirts that say “I Survived Sata” :)
So now you know the rest of the story and why, if I have the hoped for 
privilege of taking my last little family group (one grandson is only three)….I 
am planning to go to the mainland and then take TAP!! 

It’s an adventure!
Susan Vargas Murphy

> On Feb 26, 2017, at 1:53 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> I haven't flown SATA recently. Maybe I did about 10 years ago. They were fine 
> at the American airport and in the air. But when I landed over thereI 
> think they were all on lunch break. It took a very long time to get the 
> baggage. Other than that, I didn't have problems, but like I said, that was 
> 10 or more years ago.   Cheri
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://gro

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hello Ken,

Cheri mentioned SATA and I just want to say that I have had some issues with 
SATA as it is hard to explain but three of three 
times I have flown with them have had long delays, one overnight. I am not sure 
about TAP, but think that I want to try flying to the mainland and then taking 
TAP if I ever get to go again.

I have been to five of the nine islands and you are right, the others have more 
tourists but for good reason. Sao Miguel is particularly beautiful.  If you can 
at all afford more time, I would recommend including Sao Miguel. But with three 
days, you will have to arrive on Terciera…be lucky to get to Graciosa that day 
(seriously) and if you make it, then you will have one day in Graciosa (two 
nights) and will have to fly back to Terceira (I think) to fly back to the 
mainland. If that is all you can afford time wise, DO IT, rather than not go!  
If you do, you will be back for sure.  I may sound biased (haha) but i have 
been to Portugal, Spain (not Morocco) and the beauty of the Azores and 
excitement that I felt visiting the land of my ancestors surpassed anything in 
Spain and Portugal. I have not been to Graciosa, but imagine that it, like Sao 
Jorge and Flores that I have visited, is more untouched by the modern world. 

Unless you know of specific family ties, it will be hard to find the “da Silva” 
family as Silva is sort of like Smith here…probably the most common surname. 

Best of luck to you…you are in for a treat!

Susan Vargas Murphy  


> On Feb 25, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Ken Waters  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everybody,
> 
> I just booked a 2-week open trip to Spain and am hoping to include a swing 
> through the Azores out of Lisbon maybe for about 3 days. I have so many 
> questions, looking for advice from those who may have visited. First of all, 
> it would be wonderful to look up da Silva family on Graciosa. Is there anyone 
> on this list from the island who could maybe help me out? It looks like some 
> of the other islands are more of a magnet for tourists.  Any favorite islands 
> of the group?
> 
> Also is TAP out of Lisbon the best way to get there? A quick look found $82 
> RT fares Lisbon to Terceira.
> 
> I have no doubt 3 days is not enough time to enjoy the islands but I do have 
> to balance the time with other sites like Spain, mainland Portugal, and a 
> trip to Morocco.
> 
> If any of you know a good contact on Graciosa please let me know. Thanks!
> 
> Feel free to direct message me (or to the list if it's germane to others) if 
> you have any suggestions.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Ken
> 
> -- 
> Amateur Genetic Genealogist in Mesa, AZ
> Twitter: @FamilyTreeAZ
> Interests: DNA, Azores, San Francisco, early colonial America
> Blog: familytreeAZ.com
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores 
> .

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Abreviaturas Paleografias Portuguesas by Borges Nunes

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I ordered to alsoabout a week ago:)

Susan Vargas Murphy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Sue Q  wrote:
> 
> I managed to order it fairly easily and so will hope for the best in terms of 
> actually getting here. Good luck, Linda, in getting yours. Sue
> 
>> On Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-8, linda wrote:
>> 
>> In the last week there have been a few posts referring to Abreviaturas 
>> Paleografia by Borges Nunes.  I know quite a few, including myself, have a 
>> pdf of it and find it to be a valuable resource.  Unfortunately, obtaining a 
>> physical copy of the booklet has been a bit difficult.  When I made a 
>> concerted effort to find one a couple of years ago-- both online and through 
>> large independent or academic bookshops here-- I couldn't readily do it.  
>> Happily, about a week ago while researching something else, I found this 
>> source:
>> 
>> http://www.bulhosa.pt/livro/abreviaturas-paleograficas-portuguesas-borges-nunes/
>> 
>> Bulhosa is a well known Lisbon bookshop and they take PayPal, so I placed an 
>> order for it.  With shipping, the booklet cost a total of about 
>> $16.00-17.00.  A few days after placing the order, I received notice that 
>> one of the other books I ordered wasn't available, that amount was promptly 
>> refunded to my PayPal account.  They also informed me that Paleografias was 
>> in the process of being shipped, so that looks very promising.  Now, it just 
>> needs to make its way safely through the Portuguese and US postal systems!  
>> I'll update the group when I receive it.  They're sending it "International 
>> Economy" rate, so it's anyone's guess how long it will take to arrive. :) 
>> 
>> I thought I'd post in case others are also interested in buying the actual 
>> booklet.  The only difficulty might be navigating the website and reading 
>> the correspondence, as it is entirely in Portuguese.  But, it's all 
>> relatively straightforward and the interface with PayPal is easy (and in 
>> English).  Here's the notice that my book is in process of being shipped:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "Azores Genealogy" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Azores Genealogy" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.