Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with grandfather Boaventura Ignacio do Valle

[Becky Mendonca]

Hi Cheri,

Ok, I figured that's what I need do. You know how it goes... down another
rabbit hole x10...

Thanks!
Becky


On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 1:32 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Hi Becky,
>
> You can't tell from the baptism. You'll have to pull the parents' marriage
> to see if they are related and needed a dispensation. The grandfathers
> could be the same person or even cousins with the same name. Or the priest
> had too much eggnog. LOL
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 12:25 PM Becky Mendonca 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1870-1892/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1870-1892_item1/P273.html
>>
>>
>> No. 43
>> Are the grandfathers Boaventura Ignacio doValle 2 different people, or
>> are they 1 in the same?
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] help with grandfather Boaventura Ignacio do Valle

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http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1870-1892/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1870-1892_item1/P273.html


No. 43
Are the grandfathers Boaventura Ignacio doValle 2 different people, or are
they 1 in the same?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] One Word Escapes Me...

[Becky Mendonca]

Intiada= stepdaughter

On Mar 1, 2017 10:39 PM, "Sue Q"  wrote:

> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-
> SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1736-1749/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1736-1749_item1/P352.html
>
> The record is the bottom one for Mateus and on the 8th line down it says
> the godparents are Manuel de Bettencourt and his intiada... or infiada? I
> can't figure out that word and am wondering if anyone can help.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hello :) New here and a little lost (Researching husband's family)

[Becky Mendonca]

Samantha,
If you share his name and or the relatives names, someone in this group may
already have information on them. Happens all the time!

On Dec 4, 2016 2:37 PM, "Samantha B"  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I'm building my husband's family tree on ancestry.com. His maternal grand
> parents arrived in the US from the Azores in 1908. I have the ship name and
> passenger list from Ellis Island but I'm struggling to work out how to get
> more information about them from the Azores.
>
> Currently I'm slowly looking through the passports but I don't even know
> how long before sailing they would have registered for passports. I've also
> joined http://www.portugueseancestry.com/ as it seems one of the family
> trees there has the surnames involved (just waiting on my login details
> atm).
>
> Any other suggestions for research will be most gratefully appreciated.
> All I have are the grandparents birth dates (no specific location in the
> Azores), US arrival ship and date and US death dates. We've done an
> ancestry.com DNA test but, it seems, without more information I can't
> really start researching the Azores matches.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio Inacio Do Vale Born-7 July 1923 in Castelo Branco, Faial, Died-12 May 2013 Freemaont, Calif

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Does anyone have this person in their tree??

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of child ?

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I see Carolina

On Sep 23, 2016 11:13 AM, "Maria Lima"  wrote:

> Top right page
>
> Could this name be Catarina(?)
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
> VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1703-1713/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1703-1713_item1/P12.html
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> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] writing on back of old photo

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Not at all. I believe it is Berkeley or Oakland. This is where my husbands
portuguese relatives immigrated to, eventually some went to San Jose

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:53 PM, linda  wrote:

> Wow!!
>
> I hope you don't mind another question: do you know where and/or when the
> picture was taken? My sister was wondering, and I can't guess with much
> confidence from the clues in the photo (maybe 1940's/1950's Bay Area/
> SoCal???)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] writing on back of old photo

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Thank you Linda!! I was close, lol

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> Hi Becky,
>
> I emailed copies of the photos to my mom (85 in May!) who is bilingual in
> English and Portuguese and who taught herself to read and write Portuguese
> (she's awesome :)
>
> This is her interpretation:
>
> "Este é meu retrato"  (This is my picture.  In other words, this is a
> picture of me) "que tirei no meu" yard (my Mom thinks she's trying to
> write "yard" in English and is spelling it how it sounded to her, "yarne")
> "atras faço vinha" (behind-- the house, that is; in other
> words, in the back yard-- I make a vineyard).  "uma velha"  (an old lady).
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> This is a picture of me taken in my yard. In back, I make a vineyard.
> [signed] an old lady
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] margin notes for Margarida- born 25 Nov 1887 Castelo Branco, Faial- daughter of Manuel Ignacio do Valle and Maria Emelia

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Well, that would help..thanks.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1870-1892/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1870-1892_item1/P351.html

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> Becky, you didn't send the link to the document.
>
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> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Becky Mendonca <azbun...@gmail.com>
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>> Hi all-
>>
>> I can't read the margin notes upper right hand side for Margarida. Any
>> help welcome.
>> Thank-you!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] margin notes for Margarida- born 25 Nov 1887 Castelo Branco, Faial- daughter of Manuel Ignacio do Valle and Maria Emelia

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Hi all-

I can't read the margin notes upper right hand side for Margarida. Any help
welcome.
Thank-you!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Capelo Obit

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Ok, sorry, I read the bottom one.

On Jul 26, 2016 6:48 PM, "Sean Andrade"  wrote:

> Yes, third one down
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Capelo Obit

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Hi Sean,

I actually see Antonia Maria, was married to Manuel da Silva Rosa.. See if
others concur.

On Jul 26, 2016 6:16 PM, "Sean Andrade"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I need help with names for this obit for Maria on the bottom right:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836_item1/P25.html
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> I can't tell if it is Maria Garcia or Maria Goularte
>
> And I cant make out the Second name for her husband Antonio __ Serpa
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[AZORES-Genealogy] father of the groom- Francisco Dutra de Mendonca

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http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-C-1711-1809/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-C-1711-1809_item1/P172.html

Rt side on the bottom...can anyone make out his first name??


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel da Silva- help with margin notes on baptismal record

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Ah, thank-you Cheri!
On Jun 29, 2016 10:59 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Died in the freguesia of Castelo Branco, council of Horta on the 9 of
> November 1938, record number 265, page 134. I think the rest says they
> wrote the note 14 Nov 1938.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel da Silva- help with margin notes on baptismal record

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http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1832-1860/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1832-1860_item1/P284.html

Top right hand side. I think it's saying that Manuel died in Nov 1938, but
not sure of the rest...any help welcome.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Island hopping trip

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My husband and I are going July 10. Flying into Punta del Gado on Sao
Miguel. There are also non stops to Terceira from Boston. We are flying
Sata. We will take a boat between Sao George, to Pico and to Faial. Sao
George to Terceira is a quick flight!
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> I have a family members who wants to leave from Boston and want to visit
> these islands:  Sao Miguel or Terceira (depends on where the Boston flight
> goes into , Santa Maria, Flores and possibly Pico.  They asked me about
> travel between the islands. I have no idea. I know you can fly from
> Terceira to Sao Miguel as I have done this but I don't know about
> inter-island flights/ships to get to the others.  Do they all have
> airports?  I am also trying to find a package that would take them to
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Cousin

[Becky Mendonca]

For the newbies, including me. What is cMs?? I'll probably hit my forehead
when I read it, lol.
On Jun 14, 2016 2:12 PM, "Rosemarie Capodicci"  wrote:

> Wow, that's not very many cMs in common. I've had a few around 100 and
> connected but William was over 300 with me, my brother, my 1st and two
> 2nds! It's been great talking to him.
>
>
> Rosemarie
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> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 1:36 PM,  wrote:
>
>> That's great Rosemarie.  I have only one match over 100cM and that is
>> only 120.  I do have one known third cousin (we have a common set of Great
>> Great Grandparents) among my matches but we only share 33 cM.  Our
>> predicted range was 3rd to 5th cousins.
>>
>> Bill
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Very Faded Marriage Record for Capelo

[Becky Mendonca]

I see 13 Feb 1775

Bride and parents are from Cedros
On May 11, 2016 5:58 PM, "Rosemarie Capodicci"  wrote:

> Sean, I see Manuel Silveira Duarte son of Manuel Duarte and his wife Anna
> Maria. Marie Clara looks like the last name is Noia, if you look at his "R"
> in da Rosa and his "N" down at the bottom for Natural, hers looks like
> Noia. Maria Clara's dad is Manuel da Rosa, dead and Rosa Maria.
>
> I don't know the date, someone else may have that.
>
> Rosemarie
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> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Sean Andrade 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Here is a marriage record for I believe Manual Silveria Duarte and Maria
>> Clara Rosa on the bottom right and going onto the next page:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816_item1/P79.html
>>
>> I believe the year is 1775 if anyone can confirm.
>>
>> I am having trouble with the names of the parents.
>>
>> For Manuel it looks like the Dad is Manuel  and I can not make
>> out the mother
>> For Maria Clara it looks like Manuel da Rosa? And I don't see the mothers
>> name at all.
>>
>> These records always start off with the date and where the record is, but
>> then there are a lot of words I dont understand before they get to the
>> names of the family.
>>
>> If there is any pertinent information that anyone can decipher please let
>> me know because it might help me understand other records as well.
>>
>> Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth Record Capelo

[Becky Mendonca]

That's what I see also..
On May 10, 2016 6:08 PM, "Sean Andrade"  wrote:

> I actually think I found the correct one here for Jose on the bottom left:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760_item1/P194.html
>
> Does it say his parents are from the same parish of Capelo and is this
> 1756?
>
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-7, Sean Andrade wrote:
>>
>> Here is another birth record on the right in the middle for Jose:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P49.html
>>
>> I can read the dads name but am having issues with the mothers name.
>> According to his marriage record I have the mother for him as Theresa Rosa
>> da Silveira, but the name in this record does not look like Theresa Rosa.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 8:22:43 AM UTC-7, Júlio wrote:
>>>
>>> hello
>>> This can help you
>>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=capelo;lang=pt;p=antonio+goulart+do;n=souto;oc=1
>>>
>>> terça-feira, 10 de Maio de 2016 às 01:21:26 UTC, Sean Andrade escreveu:

 Hi,

 It has been a while since I was looking into my genealogy. I would like
 some help with the birth record on the bottom right for Ignacia:
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P20.html

 I have trouble with the years but I think it's 1762 or 1763. Any
 confirmation would be great.

 I would also like confirmation of the mothers name as Maria Gularte de
 Fariana?

 Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth Record Capelo

[Becky Mendonca]

It's Luzia Pereira
On May 10, 2016 5:21 PM, "Sean Andrade"  wrote:

> Here is another birth record on the right in the middle for Jose:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P49.html
>
> I can read the dads name but am having issues with the mothers name.
> According to his marriage record I have the mother for him as Theresa Rosa
> da Silveira, but the name in this record does not look like Theresa Rosa.
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 8:22:43 AM UTC-7, Júlio wrote:
>>
>> hello
>> This can help you
>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=capelo;lang=pt;p=antonio+goulart+do;n=souto;oc=1
>>
>> terça-feira, 10 de Maio de 2016 às 01:21:26 UTC, Sean Andrade escreveu:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It has been a while since I was looking into my genealogy. I would like
>>> some help with the birth record on the bottom right for Ignacia:
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P20.html
>>>
>>> I have trouble with the years but I think it's 1762 or 1763. Any
>>> confirmation would be great.
>>>
>>> I would also like confirmation of the mothers name as Maria Gularte de
>>> Fariana?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading name of child on record - Felicianna?

[Becky Mendonca]

I see Mirinhianna...
On May 7, 2016 4:02 PM, "Cathy Bourgeois" 
wrote:

> Is the name of the child Felicianna?  Bottom right.  Looks like too many
> letters, so what is this name?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1740-1752/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1740-1752_item1/P6.html
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>
> Thanks,
> Cathy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Carvalho b. 11 May 1874 Ajuda Bretanha and Antonia da Conceicao Travassos b. abt 1872 Ajuda Bretanha

[Becky Mendonca]

Ok, thank you!
On Apr 28, 2016 12:43 PM, "Cheri Mello" <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry, Becky, I misspoke.
>
> The free autosomal transfer came through on the kit registered to your
> email on Feb. 15th. The mtDNA is due in a couple of weeks. MtDNA takes
> longer than autosomal.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Becky,
>>
>> The kit registered to your email address for a man came in Feb. 15th.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Becky Mendonca <azbun...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We're still waiting for our dna results...its been about 6 weeks
>>> now..can't wait.
>>> On Apr 28, 2016 11:56 AM, "Cheri Mello" <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, and I have another adoptee where endogamy is impacting the close
>>>> matches. We can't prove all families off of one. We need many people to
>>>> test and we need to look to see how endogamy (and how much endogamy)
>>>> impacts the various families that have tested thus far. We need more people
>>>> to DNA test to figure this all out. Hopefully your theory is correct.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Laura Flanagan <
>>>> lauraann0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cheri,
>>>>> I am working with a dna guru on this and we have triangulated 10 dna
>>>>> matches to this couple.  The strongest match shares 160 seg on one side,
>>>>> and a 61 cmg match on the other, along with 8 others.  This is a sure
>>>>> thing.  I am attaching a chart for you I have created regarding known
>>>>> Azorean cousins v. dna relationships.  As you get 4th and closer, you can
>>>>> see that endogomy does not impact the results as much as one may think!
>>>>> Laura
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Laura,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just beware because of our endogomy issue (intermarriage), what looks
>>>>>> like an 2rd-3rd cousin may be more like 3rd-4th cousin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joanne Mercier <
>>>>>> musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello cousin!
>>>>>>> what little I have I can gladly share but I have more ancestry than
>>>>>>> descendants for that branch of the family tree. It seems we are related
>>>>>>> through Manuel Medeiros Grota & Maria Francesca Moura - he is the 
>>>>>>> brother
>>>>>>> of my 2x great grandfather Antonio de Medeiros. I have very little info 
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> that line so maybe between us we can fill in some gaps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One piece of information I was told when I began my genealogical
>>>>>>> addiction about 15 years ago was that all the Medeiros Grota's from
>>>>>>> Bretanha are related so that has been a huge help. I'll gladly share 
>>>>>>> what I
>>>>>>> have on them if it will be a help to you. Just let me know!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Welcome to the family!
>>>>>>> *Joanne*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Joanne Medeiros Grota Mercier*
>>>>>>> Researching Bretanha (Medeiros Grota, Benevides, deSouza), Lagoa
>>>>>>> (Luiz, d'Oliveira Homem) and Rabo de Peixe (Martins Gouveia)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 28, 2016, Laura Flanagan <lau

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Carvalho b. 11 May 1874 Ajuda Bretanha and Antonia da Conceicao Travassos b. abt 1872 Ajuda Bretanha

[Becky Mendonca]

Yes..it was Feb! So hopefully it will be completed soon:)
On Apr 28, 2016 12:28 PM, "Cheri Mello" <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Becky,
>
> The kit registered to your email address for a man came in Feb. 15th.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Becky Mendonca <azbun...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We're still waiting for our dna results...its been about 6 weeks
>> now..can't wait.
>> On Apr 28, 2016 11:56 AM, "Cheri Mello" <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, and I have another adoptee where endogamy is impacting the close
>>> matches. We can't prove all families off of one. We need many people to
>>> test and we need to look to see how endogamy (and how much endogamy)
>>> impacts the various families that have tested thus far. We need more people
>>> to DNA test to figure this all out. Hopefully your theory is correct.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Laura Flanagan <lauraann0...@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cheri,
>>>> I am working with a dna guru on this and we have triangulated 10 dna
>>>> matches to this couple.  The strongest match shares 160 seg on one side,
>>>> and a 61 cmg match on the other, along with 8 others.  This is a sure
>>>> thing.  I am attaching a chart for you I have created regarding known
>>>> Azorean cousins v. dna relationships.  As you get 4th and closer, you can
>>>> see that endogomy does not impact the results as much as one may think!
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Laura,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just beware because of our endogomy issue (intermarriage), what looks
>>>>> like an 2rd-3rd cousin may be more like 3rd-4th cousin.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joanne Mercier <
>>>>> musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello cousin!
>>>>>> what little I have I can gladly share but I have more ancestry than
>>>>>> descendants for that branch of the family tree. It seems we are related
>>>>>> through Manuel Medeiros Grota & Maria Francesca Moura - he is the brother
>>>>>> of my 2x great grandfather Antonio de Medeiros. I have very little info 
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> that line so maybe between us we can fill in some gaps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One piece of information I was told when I began my genealogical
>>>>>> addiction about 15 years ago was that all the Medeiros Grota's from
>>>>>> Bretanha are related so that has been a huge help. I'll gladly share 
>>>>>> what I
>>>>>> have on them if it will be a help to you. Just let me know!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Welcome to the family!
>>>>>> *Joanne*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Joanne Medeiros Grota Mercier*
>>>>>> Researching Bretanha (Medeiros Grota, Benevides, deSouza), Lagoa
>>>>>> (Luiz, d'Oliveira Homem) and Rabo de Peixe (Martins Gouveia)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 28, 2016, Laura Flanagan <lauraann0...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, my dna results are indicating these folks were my 1st or 2nd
>>>>>>> great grandparents!  Fantastic lead, but I am having trouble identifying
>>>>>>> descendants.  Does anyone have this couple in their lines?  Descendant
>>>>>>> information would be greatly appreciated!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joao Carvalho b. 11 May 1874 Ajuda Bretanha, son of Francisco
>>>>>>> Carvalho and Francisca Thomasia
>>>>>>> (maternal grandparents:  Manuel Medeiros Grota and Maria Francisca /
>>>>>>> p

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Carvalho b. 11 May 1874 Ajuda Bretanha and Antonia da Conceicao Travassos b. abt 1872 Ajuda Bretanha

[Becky Mendonca]

We're still waiting for our dna results...its been about 6 weeks now..can't
wait.
On Apr 28, 2016 11:56 AM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Yeah, and I have another adoptee where endogamy is impacting the close
> matches. We can't prove all families off of one. We need many people to
> test and we need to look to see how endogamy (and how much endogamy)
> impacts the various families that have tested thus far. We need more people
> to DNA test to figure this all out. Hopefully your theory is correct.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Laura Flanagan 
> wrote:
>
>> Cheri,
>> I am working with a dna guru on this and we have triangulated 10 dna
>> matches to this couple.  The strongest match shares 160 seg on one side,
>> and a 61 cmg match on the other, along with 8 others.  This is a sure
>> thing.  I am attaching a chart for you I have created regarding known
>> Azorean cousins v. dna relationships.  As you get 4th and closer, you can
>> see that endogomy does not impact the results as much as one may think!
>> Laura
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Laura,
>>>
>>> Just beware because of our endogomy issue (intermarriage), what looks
>>> like an 2rd-3rd cousin may be more like 3rd-4th cousin.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joanne Mercier <
>>> musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hello cousin!
 what little I have I can gladly share but I have more ancestry than
 descendants for that branch of the family tree. It seems we are related
 through Manuel Medeiros Grota & Maria Francesca Moura - he is the brother
 of my 2x great grandfather Antonio de Medeiros. I have very little info on
 that line so maybe between us we can fill in some gaps.

 One piece of information I was told when I began my genealogical
 addiction about 15 years ago was that all the Medeiros Grota's from
 Bretanha are related so that has been a huge help. I'll gladly share what I
 have on them if it will be a help to you. Just let me know!

 Welcome to the family!
 *Joanne*

 *Joanne Medeiros Grota Mercier*
 Researching Bretanha (Medeiros Grota, Benevides, deSouza), Lagoa (Luiz,
 d'Oliveira Homem) and Rabo de Peixe (Martins Gouveia)



 On Thursday, April 28, 2016, Laura Flanagan 
 wrote:

> So, my dna results are indicating these folks were my 1st or 2nd great
> grandparents!  Fantastic lead, but I am having trouble identifying
> descendants.  Does anyone have this couple in their lines?  Descendant
> information would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Joao Carvalho b. 11 May 1874 Ajuda Bretanha, son of Francisco Carvalho
> and Francisca Thomasia
> (maternal grandparents:  Manuel Medeiros Grota and Maria Francisca /
> paternal grandparents:  Manuel Carvalho and Maria Rosa)
>
> married in Ajuda Bretanha on 6 Sep 1897 to
>
> Antonia da Conceicao Travassos, daughter of Luis Travassos b. 26 Feb
> 1833 Ajuda Bretanha and Francisca de Jesus b. abt 1835.
> (maternal grandparents:  Joao de Balhao (spelling?) and Maria Jacintha
> / paternal grandparents: Manuel Travassos and Maria Joaquina Carvalho)
>
> Joao and Antonia had the following children, all born in Ajuda
> Bretanha, (there are likely more born bet 1912 and 1920 that I have not 
> yet
> found):
>
> Manuel, b. 21 Jun 1898
> Maria, b. 15 Sep 1900
> Anibal, b. 5 Apr 1902
> Cecilia b. 11 Nov 1908, married Luis Arruda in Santa Clara, Ponta
> Delgada, on 3 Apr 1955
> Luis Carvalho, 14 Mar 1912, married someone in Bretanha on 14 Nov 1953
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Manuel de Vargas death record

[Becky Mendonca]

Eleanor,

No, that is also the death record I have for Catarina.. do you have her
parents??



On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 5:20 PM, 'Eleanor' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Manuel de Vargas and Catarina Pereira are in two lines of my tree, both
> through their daughter Ana Pereira de Vargas(1715 - 1796). So thank you,
> Becky for finding this record and JR for confirming the dates. I found the
> record below for Catarina Pereira, widow, but don't see her husband's name.
> Her age and residence on Ribeira do Cabo, where Ana and her husband,
> Francisco Furtado de Faria, also lived, lead me to believe  this is
> Manuel's wife. Have you found a better record for Catarina Pereira's death?
> Thanks. Eleanor Faria Dwyer
>
> middle left,
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1738-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1738-1791_item1/P17.html
>
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> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 23, 2016 6:20 PM
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Manuel de Vargas death record
>
> Left side, 2nd down...does this record say how old he was when he passed??
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1682-1737/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1682-1737_item1/P94.html
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> Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Manuel de Vargas death record

[Becky Mendonca]

I was afraid of thatI was hoping I just missed it because it was stated
differently
Thank you!
On Apr 23, 2016 6:57 PM, "Maria Lima" <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Becky; there's no age given
> Sorry.
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Apr 23, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Becky Mendonca <azbun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Left side, 2nd down...does this record say how old he was when he passed??
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1682-1737/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1682-1737_item1/P94.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Manuel de Vargas death record

[Becky Mendonca]

Left side, 2nd down...does this record say how old he was when he passed??

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1682-1737/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1682-1737_item1/P94.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is the feminine form of Simon?

[Becky Mendonca]

Would it be Simone?
On Apr 20, 2016 5:44 PM, "Sandra Perez"  wrote:

> Simona?
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[AZORES-Genealogy] help with record - Lourenco da Rosa death

[Becky Mendonca]

Does this record give anything other the death date and wife's name?? And
there are notes in the margin..are they pertinent?

Right lower side of page;

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1738-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1738-1791_item1/P114.html

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Lourenco da Rosa and Maria da Rosa- Capelo, Faial

[Becky Mendonca]

Looking for this couple from Capelo, probably born 1700-1710- they had a
daughter Catarina, born 5 Apr 1736 in Capelo, who married Manuel Dutra da
Rosa 9 May 1757 in Capelo.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] help reading surname

[Becky Mendonca]

Top right record- Can you take a look and tell me what Antonio's name is?
Is it an abbreviation?
Antonio ___ da Rosa

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1680-1692/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1680-1692_item1/P18.html

Thank you!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] can't find

[Becky Mendonca]

You want to go to page 280
On Mar 14, 2016 10:44 PM, "Elizabeth Migliori"  wrote:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1860-1891/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1860-1891_item1/P61.html
>
> So I'm confused.  pg 61
> Looking for October 27, 1887 and it seems to go from July to November
> ??
>
> I know it's there I found it once before.  perhaps I need to stop for the
> day???
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] When records end..

[Becky Mendonca]

Thank you.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Becky,
> It depends. If you are reading a record and it says someone was from
> another island or the continent, then you follow the paper trail and keep
> researching. If the records just end because you run out of records (they
> are missing, lost, whatever), well, that is what we call the "End of Line"
> ancestor. That ancestor is as far back as we can go on that line since no
> earlier records exist.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] When records end..

[Becky Mendonca]

Now that I am to the point on Faial where the records are running out..were
there records prior to that on the main island, or am I just done?? Where
or how do you search when this happens?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading record

[Becky Mendonca]

Yes, I've been searching for the marriage for Manuel Dutra da Rosa, who
died 4 July 1774,  and Catarina, who died 12 Jan 1769, find out who
Catarinas parents are. I was hoping the record in question matched...but
maybe not. I will keep at it. I don't give up

Thanks!
On Feb 22, 2016 8:14 PM, "JR"  wrote:

> If you ask me it looks like Fco da Roza e sua mer. Ma. da Roza. Because at
> first I thought it was Roza but could also be Pra. But the preposition 'da'
> is never in front of Pereira, so it has to a name that goes with the said
> prep. I studied it a bit, the first letter looks like his unique stylized R
> and z, so I would venture Roza.
>
> Have seen any people with these names before, or even alternates, meaning
> that this couple could have used other names?
>
> I am somewhat confused. You mean his name is not Jose Dutra Andrade? cc
> Catarina da Rosa? Is it Manuel Dutra Roza?
>
> JR
>
> On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 8:02:30 PM UTC-5, Becky M. wrote:
>>
>> Thank you JR. I do have 3 of their children, but none list
>> grandparents...I have Manuel Dutra da Rosa's parents, but not Catarina's. I
>> have looked for Catarinas baptismal record, but can't be sure which one is
>> hers unless I can match it to her marriage record...so on this one, I am
>> going in circles, lol...I have a possible death record which lists Manuel
>> as her husband, and approx age when she passed, but the are several
>> Catarinas during her approximate birth time. That's why I hoped someone
>> would be able to glean more from the marriage record to confirm her parents
>> names.
>> Thank you for all the suggestions!
>> Becky
>> On Feb 22, 2016 2:07 PM, "JR"  wrote:
>>
>>> And here is Roza, born- Oct 7- 1761. the father's name may be Jose
>>> Garcia Moutozo, and this is spelled out in this baptism and partly shown in
>>> the difficult marriage record- Mouto__? Likely the same name.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P13.html
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 3:46:38 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:

 This looks like it might be yours. Notice on side margin after Dutra is
 the prep 'da' which may be da Andrade as below.




 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760_item1/P213.html



 Maria, fa. de Jozeph Dutra de Andrade e sua mer. Catherina Roza da
 Sylv.ra freg.es
 
  desta
 da. mres. Sim.a Trindade do lugar da Cappelo desta Ilha do Fayal nasceo aos
 quatro dias de mez de Abril de 1759, bap- (7-4-1757), Pad- Bartholomeu G.ra
 (Gracia?)  fo. de Mel. Gra de Andrade e sua mer. Maria Gte (Goularte) de
 Faria e Anna Ma. da Sylv.ra fa. de Anto. Sylv.ra de Faria e sua mer. Luzia
 Sylv.ra todos freg. desta ditta par

 On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 3:12:25 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>
> I have a suggestion. Since you have quite a bit of info, including the
> date of May 9- 1757, why not go to baptisms and look for children of this
> couple in the first few years and you will likely get your answer.
>
> JR
>
> On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 7:15:46 AM UTC-5, Becky M. wrote:
>>
>> I was giving my history of family and names for my background...I am
>> asking for help reading this record, specifically the bride and grooms
>> names and their parents. I didn't want to be too wordy and list my entire
>> tree to go back that far, but did want to include where I started from. I
>> taught myself to read these records. I think in this record I am having
>> trouble with, I see the groom: _ Dutra, son of Jose Goularte or 
>> Garcia,
>> deceased, and his wife_ Maria Dutra, and Catarina da Rosa daughter of
>> Francisco da Rosa and his wife Maria da Can anyone correct what I
>> have if wrong, or fill in the blanks??
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Becky
>>
>> I don't see a question here. You talk about your husband being raised
>> by another family and you mention the mid-1800s. Then you post a record
>> from the mid 1700s. Somehow you are able to make your way back 250 years,
>> but I am not clear as to what you can and cannot read. You must be able 
>> to
>> read a lot to be back to the mid 1700s. What do you need help reading?
>> Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading record

[Becky Mendonca]

Thank you JR. I do have 3 of their children, but none list grandparents...I
have Manuel Dutra da Rosa's parents, but not Catarina's. I have looked for
Catarinas baptismal record, but can't be sure which one is hers unless I
can match it to her marriage record...so on this one, I am going in
circles, lol...I have a possible death record which lists Manuel as her
husband, and approx age when she passed, but the are several Catarinas
during her approximate birth time. That's why I hoped someone would be able
to glean more from the marriage record to confirm her parents names.
Thank you for all the suggestions!
Becky
On Feb 22, 2016 2:07 PM, "JR"  wrote:

> And here is Roza, born- Oct 7- 1761. the father's name may be Jose Garcia
> Moutozo, and this is spelled out in this baptism and partly shown in the
> difficult marriage record- Mouto__? Likely the same name.
>
> JR
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P13.html
>
> On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 3:46:38 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>>
>> This looks like it might be yours. Notice on side margin after Dutra is
>> the prep 'da' which may be da Andrade as below.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760_item1/P213.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Maria, fa. de Jozeph Dutra de Andrade e sua mer. Catherina Roza da
>> Sylv.ra freg.es
>> 
>>  desta
>> da. mres. Sim.a Trindade do lugar da Cappelo desta Ilha do Fayal nasceo aos
>> quatro dias de mez de Abril de 1759, bap- (7-4-1757), Pad- Bartholomeu G.ra
>> (Gracia?)  fo. de Mel. Gra de Andrade e sua mer. Maria Gte (Goularte) de
>> Faria e Anna Ma. da Sylv.ra fa. de Anto. Sylv.ra de Faria e sua mer. Luzia
>> Sylv.ra todos freg. desta ditta par
>>
>> On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 3:12:25 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a suggestion. Since you have quite a bit of info, including the
>>> date of May 9- 1757, why not go to baptisms and look for children of this
>>> couple in the first few years and you will likely get your answer.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 7:15:46 AM UTC-5, Becky M. wrote:

 I was giving my history of family and names for my background...I am
 asking for help reading this record, specifically the bride and grooms
 names and their parents. I didn't want to be too wordy and list my entire
 tree to go back that far, but did want to include where I started from. I
 taught myself to read these records. I think in this record I am having
 trouble with, I see the groom: _ Dutra, son of Jose Goularte or Garcia,
 deceased, and his wife_ Maria Dutra, and Catarina da Rosa daughter of
 Francisco da Rosa and his wife Maria da Can anyone correct what I
 have if wrong, or fill in the blanks??

 Thank you,
 Becky

 I don't see a question here. You talk about your husband being raised
 by another family and you mention the mid-1800s. Then you post a record
 from the mid 1700s. Somehow you are able to make your way back 250 years,
 but I am not clear as to what you can and cannot read. You must be able to
 read a lot to be back to the mid 1700s. What do you need help reading?
 Cheri

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading record

[Becky Mendonca]

I was giving my history of family and names for my background...I am asking
for help reading this record, specifically the bride and grooms names and
their parents. I didn't want to be too wordy and list my entire tree to go
back that far, but did want to include where I started from. I taught
myself to read these records. I think in this record I am having trouble
with, I see the groom: _ Dutra, son of Jose Goularte or Garcia,
deceased, and his wife_ Maria Dutra, and Catarina da Rosa daughter of
Francisco da Rosa and his wife Maria da Can anyone correct what I
have if wrong, or fill in the blanks??

Thank you,
Becky

I don't see a question here. You talk about your husband being raised by
another family and you mention the mid-1800s. Then you post a record from
the mid 1700s. Somehow you are able to make your way back 250 years, but I
am not clear as to what you can and cannot read. You must be able to read a
lot to be back to the mid 1700s. What do you need help reading?
Cheri

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