RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: oliver/oliveira
I live nearby the Riverside cemetery. It is the West Coast cemetery for servicemen. Many veterans who passed away in Southern California are buried in the Riverside National Cemetery. Debbie Wolgemuth Riverside, CA Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 18:15:20 -0800 From: annaoliverreal...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: oliver/oliveira This is him he was buried at Riverside Cemetery. On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 6:00:27 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:No, that ZIP code belongs to East Los Angeles. You can go here and click on the Cities by ZIP Code and enter the ZIP code to find the corresponding city. https://tools.usps.com/go/ZipLookupAction!input.action On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Anna Oliver annaoliv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, is this Manuel Oliver Sr that passed away in Norwalk Ca? Thanks,Anna On Sunday, January 30, 2011 at 8:53:41 AM UTC-8, Janis Davis wrote:My father was the youngest of seven children. They father was naturalized in 1896 and the name was changed from Oliveira to Oliver. I am trying to find two of his brothers or relatives of them from the west coast. Antone Joaquim Oliver born 6/20/1905 in New Bedford Mass-Death 2/18/1972-lasts resisdence 90022 Los Angeles Manuel Joaquim Oliver- mets him once back in the 1970. My father called in Scottie. Born 2/25/1910 in New Bedford, Mass. Death 2/2/1989. I do know that he his buried at Riverside National Cenetary. I am trying to find out all informtion about them. A obit would be nice. Where came i send for them. All information is apprciated. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dias/ Silviera / Henriques / Fraga 1800 - present
My Azorean relatives came from Flores and settled in Merced. Many of their neighbors were Azorean Portuguese farming alfalfa, sweet potatoes, tomatoes, peaches, apricots, almonds and walnuts. My Grandmother's Lineage My ggf, Francisco Jorge/George, immigrated from the Azores (Flores) in 1889 and moved to the Merced area. He helped build the roads to Yosemite and brought gold down from the hills back to Merced. He then worked in various farmhand jobs, saving money to buy a farm in Merced (west of Merced, toward El Nido, a small farming community). In 1905 he brought his bride, Leopoldina Freitas (also from Flores), to California and married her in Fresno with her cousins in attendance. They sold the first farm and purchased their final farm of 40 acres off Franklin Road (north of Merced and bordering Atwater near where Castle AFB would eventually be) in the Buhach Colony. The Buhach Colony had a LARGE group of Portuguese farming families in the area. The local Catholic Church was in the Buhach Colony. That Catholic Church was where we went for the annual Pentecost celebration and sopas meal. The Buhach Colony surrounds Highway 99 from Franklin to Buhach Roads. My Grandfather's Lineage We do not have as much information about this side of the family with surnames of Enos, Silviera and Rodrigues, as my father met finally met his father as an adult. The Enos (my ggf) family were farmers and lived in the Buhach Colony too. His wife was Maria Silviera (my ggm)and I don't know much about them or exactly what island they came from. The Rodrigues side I haven't discovered much about as my ggf was Manuel Rodrigues (a very common name) and he died in the flu epidemic of 1917/18 right after my grandfather was born. Don't know how Manuel's family immigrated to California, but wonder if they came through Hawaii, as one of my uncles has strong Asian characteristics in his eyes. Debbie Rodrigues Wolgemuth Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 09:05:33 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dias/ Silviera/ Henriques/ Fraga 1800 - present From: noblankt...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com John, Post what you have on the Central Valley folks. My mom's family settled from Modesto and Ceres down to Atwater, I've researched many families from that area, Eric Edgar On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 9:35 AM, john kracha jkk...@gmail.com wrote: It appears that ancestors originated in area of Cedres, Flores, Azores and settled in Central Valley of California. Mostly near Modesto. Since Cedros is relatively small, there is some historical connection still remaining. Can you help fill in? The google sites that I have researched do not identify paternal/ maternal lines. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA will give you a $10 off if you upload your Gedcom
Can you create a Gedcom off of your information in www.Ancestry.com? Debbie Rodrigues Wolgemuth From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:20:22 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree DNA will give you a $10 off if you upload your Gedcom To: Azores@googlegroups.com For those who have tested with Family Tree DNA and not yet uploaded their Gedcom, FTDNA will give you a $10 off coupon towards the purchase of a future test (or upgrade) if you upload your Gedcom. They must have heard us admins complain about the lack of Gedcoms, so they have resorted to bribery! LOL Please upload your Gedcom if you have not done so! -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder and Fitting the Pieces together
Thanks Cheri for all your help. My DNA kit came this week, completed it and mailed it off. I'm looking forward to seeing the results and who it connects me to in the Azores group. Debbie Rodrigues Wolgemuth Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 14:42:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder and Fitting the Pieces together From: dvco...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Cheri, Thank you for helping to make the Family Finder DNA test clear. You have explained it very well. Dave On 8/1/13, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Just so the wrong impression isn't being made here I initially ordered a DNA test on my dad back in December of 2005. The only type of DNA tests available at that time were Y-DNA and mtDNA. I did Y-DNA 37 marker (the most markers at that time) on my dad for his Portuguese line (he's half). I got the results back in January of 2006. Although he had a zillion 12 marker matches (more anthropological in nature) and some 25 marker matches, he had none at the 37 marker level. Not knowing how many thousands of families settled the Azores and how long it will take to find a male descendant from each family to test, I knew it'll take a while to make matches on this ONE line. Yes, Y-DNA is only the one line: my dad's father's father's father's line (top of my dad's pedigree). Autosomal DNA (Family Finder) was around in 2005/2006, but it's uses were not well known or well refined. It took the geneticists some time to work it all out. It finally became available for consumers to purchase in the spring of 2010. I sat on the fence and watched what happened with other admins and DNA junkies first. Then I ordered additional DNA testing on my dad - Family Finder. His results came in on February 16, 2011. As I mentioned, my dad is half Portuguese. So it wasn't too hard to tell his American half from his Portuguese half. His American matches had surnames like Bolton, Damron, Daugherty, and Smith. His Portuguese matches had surnames like Mello, Souza, Medeiros, Oliveira, etc. Today is August 1, 2013. About 2.5 years after I first ordered Family Finder on my dad and the piece are really falling into place. Yes, Shirley Allegre and I figured out our connection on paper years ago. So when she tested her DNA, it made sense. But what to do with those who were stuck in the late 1800s or early 1900s and couldn't go back any further? So as the Family Finder portion of the Azores DNA project builds (now at 242 people testing), it's really starting to come together. Not only am I able to piece together the outside of the jigsaw puzzle, but I'm filling in the insides. And I'm starting to pull in my dad's matches who are stuck in the late 1800s or early 1900s! These matches are going to have some lopsided trees for awhile, but at least they are starting to get somewhere! -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Writing the family history
Cheri, Thank you for mentioning Joseph-Machado disease and its concentration on Flores. I read about the symptoms on the internet and I believe that my grandmother had Joseph-Macado, although she just called it ataxia. I'm thinking that her father (born on Flores, Azores) had it also as his legs went out in his 80's and then he was bedridden. My grandmother used to go walking in the neighborhood for exercise, but when she was in her 80's people starting calling the police thinking that she was drunk, who then called my father (a civic leader in town). Several of these calls and my father convinced her to walk only within her retirement complex. Interesting that my great grandmother (maiden name: Freitas) also born on Flores, did not have ataxia. Of their three children, my grandmother was the only one to have ataxia. From reading online, there is also a presence of Joseph-Machado on São Miguel island. There is no cure for Joseph-Machado disease, but symptoms can be treated. But DNA testing is available to see if you have the markers for Joseph-Machado Disease (The genetic test for MJD (SCA3) is highly accurate. Those individuals who are at risk for MJD (i.e. have an affected parent) but do not have any symptoms can undergo presymptomatic testing to determine whether they carry the disease allele (and thus will later develop the disease). Obtaining presymptomatic testing is a highly personal decision that at-risk individuals should make only after fully considering the potential pros and cons.) National Ataxia Foundation (NAF) 2600 Fernbrook Lane North Suite 119 Minneapolis, MN 55447-4752 n...@ataxia.org http://www.ataxia.org Tel: 763-553-0020 Fax: 763-553-0167 http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/machado_joseph/detail_machado_joseph.htm Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 01:46:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Writing the family history To: azores@googlegroups.com I think diabetes is much higher than Joseph-Machado disease. I think Joseph-Machado an autoimmune disease. It's more concentrated possibly on Flores, but less that 1%. That I know. I remember taking a genetics class in college and I chose diabetes and it was higher in certain populations (including Portuguese). It's been so long ago that I don't remember the source though. I'm sure there probably a couple of other diseases too. The Azoreans (and probably Madeirans and Cape Verdeans) probably have some that are somewhat inbred due to the intermarriage since we are all come from isolated islands. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] History of the Azores
Celeste, Excellent observations! I am also in the midst of reading Home is an Island which is an easy read. Hope to finish it this summer! Debbie Wolgemuth Riverside, California Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:21:19 -0700 From: ccgran...@yahoo.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] History of the Azores To: azores@googlegroups.com I have just finished reading Dark Stones by Dias de Melo. I am currently reading Home is an Island by Alfred Lewis and both of these books have given me more understanding of what life was like for those that lived in the Azore Islands at the time my grandparents (and before their time) came to the USA. Because I lived in their home and listened to the stores told about their life before they immigrated, I thought I had a pretty clear picture of what that life was like. In 1989, I visited the continent where my grandfather was born and the village where was born where they received electricity in 1980. I saw things I had no idea existed; and, things were more modern than when my grandfather lived there. Although Terceira is more updated (I think the airbase has made for that change), from my first trip to Porto Judeu where my grandmother was born in 1999 and subsequent visits until 2009, I still saw bread being baked in what looked like a fireplace behind a house and stayed in hotels that had no heat in the rooms. In the winter of 2003, I thought I would freeze. The temperature was about what we have here in Hayward; however, with no heat in the room, tile floors, and cement walls, I truly got a feel for what my ancestors felt in their little villages with few things we take for granted. These 2 books have given me a sense of what the poor had to put up with. I got the feeling that if one person had 2 trees in a certain orchard, they felt superior to someone who had no trees. If a child learned to read, he was looked upon as someone who was showing off; and, there have always been bullies who taunted those who tried to better themselves. Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Pereira Rosa Vicente- Sao Miguel
http://www.researchjournal.yourislandroutes.com/2011/08/announcement-portuguese-hawaiian-memories-is-back-in-print/ Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA From: carab...@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:25:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Pereira Rosa Vicente- Sao Miguel To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi Rosemarie, Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. I asked my friend about the Portuguese Hawaiian Memories she said she had never heard of the book. I don't know anyone with that book. Do you have it or know of someone who does? Thanks so much for your help. Sherry In a message dated 3/30/2012 11:50:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rcap...@redshift.com writes: Sherry, I am not at home right now so can't check but have they looked in the book Portuguese Hawaiian Memories by Freitas?? If they have a bio in there it might give you the village along with the Island name. Rosemarie They lived on Maui. Francisco died in Lahaina, Maui on 18 July 1938. Sherry -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lomba, Flores marriage records
John, Please on pass on my information to whoever is organizing Amigos das Flores in Fresno. My sister lives in Clovis and I live in Southern California. We might like to attend. Debbie wolgemuthwolgemut...@msn.com Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:09:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lomba, Flores marriage records From: gfsjo...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com CC: alcid...@sbcglobal.net Duane, The fire theory was my cousin's. (I actually don't remember the cousin who told me). You say that pages appeared to have been torn out. That might indicate that someone in the past who had access to the parish registers was trying to cover up an embarassing illegitmate birth to protect the family honor At this point, who knows.. Given that Lomba is such a small place, there's a very good chance that we're related! Several of my Lomba cousins have immigrated to the US. Some live in the Fresno California area, Some live in the Stoughton Mass area. If you live in Califonia, You might be interested in coming this fall to Amigos das Flores in Fresno on Saturday September 29. It's sort of a Flores reunion I am copying Alcidia Gomes. the orgsnizer of this event. John Vasconcelos. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Duane dua...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the reply, John. Lomba seems to be crawling with Mendonca's, which is the line I am tracing. I noticed that the records don't go back very far there, so I am not surprised that there might have been a fire. In the book I was referring to in the original post, it seems like maybe the pages were ripped out. Very sad... On Monday, March 12, 2012 11:47:58 PM UTC-7, John Vasconcelos wrote: Duane, My father was born in Lomba and I experienced that same problem with those records. According to a cousin who was also born in Lomba, many records are missing She thinks there might have been some records lost in a fire. The situation is particularly bad in my paternal grandmother's line which I've only been able to trace back five generations. John Vasconcelos On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Duane wrote: I'm looking for a marriage record in the Lomba freguesia of Flores, and in searching the CCA site for 1860-1874, it seems the records for at least 1865-1873 have gone missing? Or perhaps they never existed because a church burned down or something? I can't see a note in the book which explains the sitution, and I also looked at the baptisms, and didn't see a bunch of marriages appear there, although I didn't do a record by record search. Does anyone happen to know what may have happened to these records? TIA -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: American counter name to Azorian
Different Leopoldina's. Mine: Leopoldina Lucindo Freitas, Born 1884 in Faja Grande, Flores, Died and Buried in Merced and not Turlock. I wouldn't be surprised to see that we're relatedFaja Grande isn't that large. My great grandfather was Francisco Jose Jorge Born 1871 in Faja Grande, Flores. His father was Antonio Jose Jorge Born 1827 in Flores. You can send me more Jorge information to wolgemut...@msn.com. Perhaps we can compare and see where the family connection is. Thank you so much! Debbie Rodrigues Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:34:39 -0800 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: American counter name to Azorian From: katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Wow, Debbie!!! My great-uncle John's wife, born Leopoldina Fagundes in 1881 in California -- daughter of Francisco and Virginia, immigrants from the Azores, though on which island as yet unknown to me -- was listed in one of the US Census enumerations with the first name Lena, although she later switched to Pauline. I'm uncertain where she died, although she's buried in Turlock, and in the 1930 Census her widower and two of their children were all living in Merced County. Any chance she's the same Leopoldina as yours? Also, did we already establish our being related? My father's maternal grandmother was born Isabel T. Jorge in Ponta da Fajã Grande, Flores, in 1854. I can send you her baptismal info privately, if you wish. Katharine. On Jan 30, 4:40 pm, Debra Wolgemuth wolgemut...@msn.com wrote: While living in America, my great grandmother (Ava), Leopoldina always went by Lena and great grandfather (Voo), Francisco went by Frank. Debbie Rodrigues Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] American counter name to Azorian
While living in America, my great grandmother (Ava), Leopoldina always went by Lena and great grandfather (Voo), Francisco went by Frank. Debbie Rodrigues Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:38:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] American counter name to Azorian From: pat.mccoy1...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com CC: pat.mccoy1...@gmail.com I've seen Ermelinda Americanized to Emily. Now I'm curious about how other names were Americanized. Pat McCoy == On 1/30/12, Ginny mioakha...@aol.com wrote: Would the name Irma be Americanize from Ema? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California
My great grandfather, Francisco George (Jorge) immigrated from the Azores in 1889 and entered the US through Boston. Today we think that Ellis Island and NYC was the typical entrance to the US from the Atlantic, but it wasn't always so. Ellis Island began as the main East immigrant entrance point on January 1, 1892. Francisco returned to the Azores around 1905 to bring his bride, Lepoldina (Lena) Freitas, to the US. Lepoldina's entry is listed in the Ellis Island records. Family stories are that Lena was also accompanied by another female because it wasn't proper for a woman to travel alone, assuming she needed supervision. Francisco and Lepoldina were married in Fresno, CA within a few weeks of arriving on the West Coast by train. Then they settled and built up a farm in Merced, CA. The train route to California was on a northern route because there is no complete southern passenger route to California. The way to travel west by train still uses the scenic northern route. Many eastern cities connect to the huge Chicago hub, where you can continue west, or travel down to the southern states. From Chicago you travel west to Martinez, CA on the California Zephyr. Then you have to catch the San Joaquin train south to Stockton, Modesto, Denair/Turlock, Merced, Madera, Fresno, Hanford, Corcoran, Wasco and Bakersfield. Many Portuguese settled in these cities along the San Joaquin train route. There is a southern train route to California which takes you to Union Station in downtown Los Angeles. To get to the San Joaquin Valley, you have to board an Amtrak bus from Los Angeles, over the Grapevine (mountain range), and to Bakersfield. In Bakersfield, you then get on the San Joaquin train to all points north. When our ancestors immigrated from the East Coast there wasn't a bus line from LA to Bakersfield, so they definitely used the northern route. It currently takes 3 days of train travel from Boston, MA to Bakersfield, CA. With potentially slower train routes 100 years ago, I wonder how many days it took to travel from the East to West Coasts? The only thing I could find online was that it took 1 week to travel from Omaha, NE to San Francisco @ $65 for an adult. Based on this, perhaps it took 2 weeks to travel from Boston to California? Also, the northern route (California Zephyr) uses most of the train lines laid by the 1st Transcontinential Railroad that we all learned about in elementary history. Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown island) Immigrated to: Merced, CA Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:07:45 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California From: lseven...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Does anyone have any idea how most of the Azoreans traveled to California? I assume they took a boat from the Azores (there was no other way off before air planes LOL), but did they complete the trip around So. America and up to California by boat or did they disembark in New York/Boston and travel by land to California? I've been trying to find a passenger list with my grandfather/great-grandmother on it but haven't had any success. Lorinda Baker Sevenans (my grand-father Joseph Lewis (Luiz) grew up in Fairfield, CA) -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean names in Cambridge, MA, USA
My great-grandmother was also named Leopoldina. Once she came to the US in the early 1900's, all of her legal documents used the name Lena. Debbie Wolgemuth (951) 756-4240 * Riverside Youth Theatre cell Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:02:11 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean names in Cambridge, MA, USA From: katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Does anyone know if Pauline was a common (or standard) Anglicization for Leopoldina? I ask because those were my great-uncle's wife's names (also Lena, for one US Census enumeration). Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do Egito] or Egyptian Roses?
Rosettes are so easy to make with a rosette iron (http://www.sugarcraft.com/catalog/cooky/rosette.htm). The batter is mixed up quickly, much like a pancake batter. You heat up the frying oil. You select the metal rosette attachment you want (flower, holiday shape, etc.) and screw it onto the angled handle. Dip the rosette attachment in the hot oil, then in the batter and back into the oil. The rosette batter will slip off the metal iron quickly. Take the rosette out when it is a light golden brown and place on a paper towel to cool. Dust with powdered sugar. The rosettes are very light and melt in your mouth when you eat them. Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:46:59 -0700 From: hker...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do Egito] or Egyptian Roses? To: azores@googlegroups.com Maria Natalia, The last time I had rosas (that's what I grew up calling them) was when I went to a bridal shower last year. Most of the guests were Azorean from the various islands and they were happy to see the delicious and beautiful rosas there. The iron that I have is similar to the one in the link that I sent but I remember my Mom using one with a straight handle. I remember something happened to that one but since I was young I don't remember what it was. The one with the straight handle was one that my Grandmother brought from the Azores. When I was young I remember going to meet an aunt who had recently arrived from Santa Maria and she showed my Mom the rosa iron that she brought. This same aunt made the rosas for my sister's wedding. Some day I will experiment and make a small batch. helen santa maria From: mnk kamis...@comcast.net To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, August 15, 2011 7:57:16 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do Egito] or Egyptian Roses? Helen, I also have my mother's 'iron' for making the rosettes. Although I have never tried making them, I sure enjoyed eating them when I was a child. Maria Natalia On Aug 15, 9:15 am, Edward Rodrigues edward.s.rodrig...@att.net wrote: Katharine if you go on line and do a search of Malassada they have a few different site that show different variation. http://www.mahalo.com/how-to-make-malasadas/ Ed On Aug 14, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Katharine wrote: Muito obrigada para todos!!! (Thank you very much, everyone) The novel I'm translating takes place in Nordeste, São Miguel, although as someone whose father was ¾ Florentino, I appreciate Debbie's information as well, from a personal viewpoint -- since I know so little re my family's hidden Portuguese ancestry (such a huge, forbidden secret), and this adds another clue to my search for my own destroyed roots. Also, I find it interesting how some traditions are universal throughout the Azorean archipelago, while others can be unique even within a region of just one island! The fried-in-oil dough described by Gayle, Margaret, Cheri, Linda and Donna is surely what the novelist is referring to. Allegedly, malassadas in the eastern Azorean islands are the same as what are called filhós in the central and western groups. Is that correct? I also sent an email with this inquiry to an immigrant friend originally from near Nordeste, and he said his mother loved them, made them, and used a dough-cutter to give them their characteristic shape. I replied a little while ago asking if that was a rosette shape, since I've yet to find any pictures of Rosas do Egipto online, but have yet to receive a reply. Will keep you posted if I learn more. I left my native Bay Area for back East long ago (long before I knew of my Portuguese heritage). Where we live in the diaspora, I literally do not know a single Azorean-American -- NOT ONE :-( If, like some of you lucky ones, I lived near a Portuguese bakery, I'd be one of their steadiest customers -- and probably one of their plumpest ones as well!!! Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do Egito] or Egyptian Roses?
Katherine, My relatives from Flores always had a FILHOS FEAST on Ash Wednesday. We'd meet at the family ranch, have filhos hot out of the frying pan...drizzled with butter, then ate with either jam or a dusting of sugar and a slice of cheddar cheese. It's a tradition that I've continued making for my family, but they don't get excited about them like I do. Actually they call them lead hockey pucks...more for me...LOL! I make a huge batch and freeze the majority of what we don't eat. When I want a filhos for breakfast, I take one out of the freezer, microwave it a bit (experiment with your microwave and start at 20 second intervals so you don't over cook it), then add butter and your favorite topping. They taste greasy and hot, just like Ava and Granny Marie made them on Ash Wednesday! Last year I broke my wrist and was unable to make (knead the dough) for my annual filhos feast. Someone recommended the Portuguese Bakery, 2082 El Camino Real, Santa Clara, CA 408-984-2234. I ordered several dozen and they arrived the next week. They went into the freezer and we enjoyed them for several weeks. Their website says that they make daily filhos, but people recommend arriving at 9 am to get fresh ones...they tend to sell out quickly. They also sell 9 flavors of biscoitos, sweet bread, lemony rice pudding, and on the last Saturday of the month serve sopas (pot roast cabbage over bread with mint). If you live in the Bay Area, check them out! Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:44:23 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called Rosas do Egipto [Rosas do Egito] or Egyptian Roses? From: katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Obrigada, Gayle! It sounds rather like the Portuguese recipe above. Does your cookbook mention anything about oleo (frying in oil)? To me they sound sort of like the pre-Lenten treats called filhós or malassadas, dependking on the part of the Azores one's in. The strange thing is that the novel I'm translating mentions them being made for feeding folks doing a matança (ritual hog-killing) in Nordeste, São Miguel, during Advent (pre-Xmas), not Lent. Somehow I had the impression that traditionally filhós or malassadas weren't made other times of year. If anyone knows, I'd appreciate learning more. Katharine. = = = = = = = = = = Rosas do Egito, by Ana Maria Albuquerque Taveira (who's had recipes online for over a decade in various formats -- I first encountered her on a Geocities website ca. 2000): http://cybercook.terra.com.br/rosas-do-egito-ii-na-comunidade.html?codigo=14468 Ingredientes - 500 g de farinha - açúcar a gosto - raspas de 1 limão - leite o suficiente Modo de Preparo Misture bem todos os ingredientes da massa, adicionando o leite até o ponto da massa. Numa panela, aqueça o óleo até ferver. Depois, coloque a forma de rosa dentro para aquecer bem. Em seguida, mergulhe a forma na massa e retorne ao óleo, deixando fritar até a massa soltar da forma. Coloque numa travessa e polvilhe com canela e açúcar. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] San Francisco Newspaper for 1945
San Francisco Examiner The San Francisco Chronicle Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:53:41 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] San Francisco Newspaper for 1945 To: Azores@googlegroups.com What is the name (or names) of a San Francisco newspaper from 1945? I searched Newspaper Archives (their S.Fran. papers don't go to 1945) and I only found 1 on Ancestry (Alta California something, which didn't go to 1945 either). Thanks, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Christmas Day in the Azores
Ginger, Epiphany: a Christian festival, observed on January 6, commemorating the manifestation of Christ to the gentiles in the persons of the Magi; Twelfth-day. For some cultures, epiphany is as important as our traditional Christmas Day. Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:04:46 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Christmas Day in the Azores From: webspi...@myway.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Hello Group, In reading some of the archived posts, I have discovered that in 1975 Christmas Day was celebrated on January 6th in the Azores. Does anyone know how long that practice continued? The reason I ask is that there is a problem with my paternal Grandfather's USA Marriage Record. He stated that he was born on Christmas Day 1882 and that he was 21 years old. The clerk wrote down his birthday as 25 December 1882. My Grandmother stated she was 20 years old and her birthday was 3 November 1882. So, if he was born the 25th of December that would actually make him slightly younger than his wife. I'm wondering if he may have really been born on 6 January 1882, in which case he would have been 21 at the time they married on 24 July 1903. Although he always celebrated his birthday on the 25th of December, if he was told he was 'born on Christmas Day' it would explain the conflict on his marriage record. Was the tradition of celebrating Christmas on the 6th of January in the Azores still in effect in 1882? Thanks for your help. Ginger -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria
Linda, My cousin worked for a physician in the Bay Area and he treated many Azorean Portuguese patients. Once he found that my cousin was Azorean Portuguese, the doctor noted to my cousin that there were several physical problems to look for because of the family interbreeding on the small islands. I googled this topic and found the following illnesses related to Azorean Portuguese: Azorean Disease (Machado-Joseph Disease, Joseph Disease, Spinocerebelllar ataxia type III) http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/96243/azorean_disease_the_plight_of_portuguese.html?cat=70, http://www.novelguide.com/a/discover/gegd_0002_0001_0/gegd_0002_0001_0_00053.html Bipolar / Schizophrenia research project in the Azores http://www.usc.edu/dept/pubrel/trojan_family/winter07/island.html My great-grandfather and my grandmother had ataxia type III. It manifested itself when they were in their late 70's. My grandmother was picked up by the police several times when walking for exercise because they received calls that a drunk woman was walking on the streets. She wasn't drunk but just started losing control of her limbs. My father begged her to stop and eventually she quit walking on the streets and just around her retirement complex. Eventually my ggfather and grandmother were bedridden in their 80's when their legs totally gave out. There is family lore of a Freitas brother of my great-grandmother who was mentally ill. I haven't been able to find any references to him in the US census records yet. He immigrated from the Flores island and lived with a variety of Californian relatives from time to time. He burned down a home that he lived in. I know an Azorean Portuguese descendant who has been in a California mental institution for almost 20 years with bipolar/schizophrenia. I have been noting disease trends in my genealogy research. There is alcoholism on my mother's side of the family and I've traced back its roots to the mid-1800's. On my husband's side of the family, I've noted the generic trend of certain relatives having a bicuspid heart valve. I think that it is an important aspect of genealogy research that can be helpful to descendants reviewing our genealogy records. Linda, you don't have to worry about having an opinion about Azorean family intermarriages and illness. It is a reality. Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA From: patli...@verizon.net To: azores@googlegroups.com CC: man...@netsite.com.br Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:23:49 -0400 I believe most of us are cousins by interrelated marriages. As you had once told me the first Furtado to come to the island of Sao Miguel had brought down that name through the male and female lines. As I told Pat Girard I don't believe there are dead ends. I have cousins married within my parents lines together and within their own lines together. I look back and see the same names in both my father's lines that's in my mother's lines, why is that. I also think it's another reason why children didn't survive because of the same blood lines. Sorry, but that's what I believe. You have Furtado and de Sousa from Ribeira Grande as I do and we aren't related there? My mothers father's maternal side, Rosa (possibly a name dropped) came down from the Travossos/Cabral/Velho line. Linda -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Manoel Cesar Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:06 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria Linda, One must be careful about surnames in Azores. They come from the parents, from the father or the mother; come from paternal or maternal grand-fathers or grand-mothers, or even from great grandparents. And, also important, sometimes, not so often, they are simply adopted, with no connections to the original surmanes of the family. In this case concerning Jorge Velho married to Africa Anes, the surname Velho was adopted. Frutuoso says that Jorge Velho was nephew of the King of Fez, and he was baptized at the presence of the Prince (Infante) D. Henrique, took the christian forename Jorge and has honored Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) with the surname Velho. Catarina Nunes Velho married to Jorge Furtado was from the true Velho's, connected to the family of Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) who was sent to Azores in 1444 by Prince D. Henrique in order to colonize the islands of Santa Maria and São Miguel. Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) brought his nephews Pedro and Nuno, sons of his sister Violante Velho Cabral who was married to Diogo Gonçalves de Travassos. You and I do descend from Pedro, but not through the Furtado line, as far as know. Our common ancestors in this
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took
Bob, I grew up in Merced, CA and my great grandparents immigrated from the Azores. I was fortunate to have known them and they lived into my high school years. Francisco Jorge arrived in Boston, MA and traveled by train to Merced, CA in the late 1800's. Leopoldina Freitas arrived through NYC (Ellis Island) twenty years later as Francisco sent for her. He traveled with her and a traveling companion by train from NYC to Merced, CA. Merced has railroad passenger service through the Santa Fe Railroad. The route stops in Bakersfield to the south and does not continue to Los Angeles. The route does continue north to Martinez, CA and connects with railroads that went through major midwest cities (Chicago) and eventually to the East. Our relatives took this northern route Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 10:23:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took To: azores@googlegroups.com Bob, By point A to point B you are asking how he got from Providence, RI to Merced, CA? Probably train. I don't think train (choo choo train) manifests exist. And the migration was within the country, not people from outside the country. The government keeps track of the outsiders from other countries. I know of a few Mormon wagon trail lists that exist, but 1920 was probably too late for the wagon. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Information
Cheri, I had my son's DNA analyzed through www.ancestry.com since he's my only male living relative. I have the results (Haplogroup H and more details), but what do you do with the information beyond that. Is there an Azorean group where we can see if we match? Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting story with recipes.
We pronounced it soap-age. We make it occasionally when all the family gets together in Central California. Add a piece of mint on top of the bread and meat. We eat it with a dill pickle. Yummy! Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA From: jay_fr...@applimetrix.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting story with recipes. Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:43:07 -0500 Quick question on the pronounciation of Sopas. I totally didn't make this connection until a few minutes ago, and I've been reading this thread for days. I remember my Great Grandparents and Grandparents talking about something that sounded (in their accents) Soup-esh or Soup-age. Same stuff? On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Diane, It depends. The sopas served at the Portuguese halls in California are served either with the broth and bread in one pot and the meat and cabbage in the other pot (and then you put it together yourself on your plate) or sometimes it's broth and cabbage in one pot and the meat in the other or sometimes it's all put together in one big pot. I just plop it on my plate. It all goes to the same place - my stomach! LOL Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] oliver/oliveira
Janis, The Los Angeles Times would cover East Los Angeles. You might also check papers from nearby surrounding cities, including Montebello and Alhambra. I lived in Whittier years ago and the Whittier Daily News did cover news from surrounding cities, including Norwalk. A Norwalk obituary might have been listed in the Los Angeles Times too. I live in Riverside and can easily stop by to take a picture at the Arlington National Cemetery in Riverside. Let me know the detailed information so I can stop by cemetery this week. Debbie Wolgemuth Riverside, California Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, January 30, 2011 4:16:17 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] oliver/oliveira Janis, Antone died in East Los Angeles. I don't know what the regional papers are for East LA. The Gale Publication Directory (I think) has them listed. I know any public library has the large book that lists newspapers in the United States. Since Antone died in L.A., I just thought I'd check the Times to see if he was there. Manuel died in Norwalk. I'm not sure if Whittier's Daily News picks up the Norwalk area. I can ask at the Portuguese hall in Artesia if anyone knows which paper covers Norwalk, since Norwalk is one city over from Artesia. Not everyone publishes an obituary. If you want a picture from Riverside National, my dad said he can do it between Feb. 14 - Feb 27. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azores (mode of travel)
My great grandmother traveled from the Azores to California, entered through Ellis Island and took the train across the country to California. My mother recalls that my great grandfather paid for a female traveling companion to escort Lena to California, because it was not proper for a lady to travel alone. Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA From: ja...@cdmmarketing.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azores (mode of travel) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:11:53 -0800 I don't know if most of them came via the east coast or not, but my great grandfather, Francisco Medeiros entered the US at Boston and then traveled by train to Calif. in about 1904. He came from Cedros, Faial. He established a ranch in the Briones Valley near Martinez, Ca with his father before sending for my great grandmother, my grandfather (who was 7) and his brother and sister in 1906. I found the ships records for them and it says that my g-grandmother was coming here to join her husband in Martinez, Contra Costa County, CA. I don't know exactly when they took the train to Calif but I don't think it was very long after they arrived. My grandfather had cousins who lived/live in Mass so they may have stayed and visited for a few weeks first. My grandfather told me that the train ride was a great adventure for him. I doubt my g-grandmother felt the same way though; riding a train all the way accross the US without a man and 3 small children in tow. I have such respect and awe for the bravery of these people coming here and all they had to endure to start a new life. Jacki Gentry Pittsburg, CA Surnames: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pereira, Pacheco, Machado, Azevedo Islands: Cedros, Faial and Faja de Cima, Sao Miguel From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of gracefalc...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 2:19 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azores (mode of travel) Before air travel and not counting those that sailed the whaling boats, when our Azorean ancestors traveled from the Azores to United States I am assuming most of them un boarded on the east coast (New Bedford, Boston, New York) and took a train to the west coast. (1) Were the train stations near the ports? (2) What routes did most of them take to get across the United States to get to their destinations. (3) Any thing else of interest you may have regarding this journey would be helpful. thank-you for your time. grace falcone Family names-Pacheco Santana, Moniz, Cabral, Carvalho, da Costa Canario, Vieira de Silva, Tavares, Arruda (villages-Furnas, Maia, Porto Formosa-Riberia Grande and Sao Pedro-Nordestinho, Sao Miguel, Azores) -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] U.S. Departure Records
Another excellent thing about passport applications is many include a picture. I have found pictures for several ancestors on their passport applications. A blessing to have for my genealogy files. It is amazing to look at one of them from taken in about 1920...I look exactly like that ancestor! Debbie Rodrigues Wolgemuth From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:26:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] U.S. Departure Records To: azores@googlegroups.com The only thing with the American passport applicationwhen the person applied, they assume you will be taking a trip. I'm looking at an American passport application from 1964. Different time periods will ask for different information. This one asks for approximate date of departure, port of departure, ship or airline, previous trips, business or pleasure, length of stay, countries visited, length of stay, and if you are planning any others. The renewal application was only 3 years later (and cost only $5 in 1967!) It asks if it's an organized tour, port of departure, ship or airline, approximate departure date, number of previous visits in the last 12 months, purpose of trip, length of stay, countries visited, and if you are planning any others. But that doesn't mean that my ancestor in 1964 and 1967 took a trip (although I know she did have one because I have a few photos with dates). I don't have her actual passport booklet either. I wonder what a current passport application says? My dad applied for his first one ever in his life about 3 years ago. He was thinking of going up to Canada. But he still hasn't planned that trip yet. Hmm, I wonder what he wrote on his application? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ellis Island records
From the Ellis Island website: Ellis Island was in operation from 01 Jan 1892 through 1954. I easily located my great grandmother's entrance through Ellis Island in about 1905. Couldn't locate my great grandfather's entrance until I realized that he entered the US before Ellis Island was in operation. There were several entry ports into the US. Boston (East Coast) and San Francisco (West Coast) were large entry ports used by many Azoreans to enter the US. I located my grandfather going directly from the Azores to Boston. The Ellis Island website notes this interesting information: A myth persists that government officials on Ellis Island compelled immigrants to take new names against their wishes.[24] In fact, no historical records bear this out. Federal immigration inspectors were under strict supervision and were more interested in preventing inadmissible aliens from entering the country (which they were held accountable for) than in assisting them in trivial personal matters such as altering their names. The inspectors used the passenger lists given to them by the steamship companies to process each foreigner. These were the sole immigration records for entering the country and were prepared not by the U.S. Bureau of Immigration but by steamship companies such as the Cunard Line, the White Star Line, the North German Lloyd Line, the Hamburg-Amerika Line, the Italian Steam Navigation Company, the Red Star Line, the Holland America Line, and the Austro-American Line.[25][26] The Americanization of many immigrant families' surnames was for the most part adopted by the family after the immigration process, or by the second or third generation of the family after some assimilation into American culture. However, many last names were altered slightly due to the disparity between English and other languages in the pronunciation of certain letters of the alphabet. My great grandfather entered as Francisco J. Jorge but within a few years of living in California, he changed his surname to George. His little way of assimiling into the American cultural landscape. Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:05:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ellis Island records To: azores@googlegroups.com Tomas, Are you 100% sure he did enter through Ellis? Ship captains interpreted instructions differently. Perhaps the ship your grandfather and his buddy was on did leave Faial. They were together on that ship. It docks in New York and the captain has only those exit the ship whose final destination was New York or nearby. If your grandfather was interested in New Bedford or Boston, the captain may have told those people to stay on the ship, as they would be counted in the final destination port. I think I got that information from John P. Colletta's They Came in Ships book. See if your local library has a copy. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] JORGE, SILVEIRA, FURTADO VA LADÃO families in Fajã Grande, Flores (specifically Ponta)
Katharine and Eric, My great grandfather was Francisco Jose Jorge (1871 - 1963) and he immigrated to the US in 1889 settling in Merced in the Buhach Colony. He was the son of Antonio Jose Jorge and Ana de Jesus. Francisco's daughter, Marie E George married Edwin W Rodrigues, grandson of Mary Silveira Matos Enos (1883-1978). The Jorge and Enos famlies were neighbors in the Buhach Colony. Edwin's father died in the Spanish flu epidemic (abt 1918) and was raised by his grandparents in Merced. I knew that the Jorge family was from Faja Grande, Flores from listening to conversations as a child. From census records, I assumed that Mary Silveira Matos Enos (1883-1978) and Joseph Enos (1877-1956) immigrated from another Azores island and not Flores. I can't read Portuguese, but I'd love to find out what the letters say. Debbie Wolgemuth Riverside, California Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 21:51:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] JORGE, SILVEIRA, FURTADO VALADÃO families in Fajã Grande, Flores (specifically Ponta) From: noblankt...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Katherine, I did a project for a George family in the Fremont Hayward area a few years ago and was never able to identify the immigrant ancestor. They were from the Azores and arrived before 1860. I'd be interested in a scan or copy as I have a dozen or more projects involving Flores families. Eric Edgar On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Katharine katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have info on ANTONIO JOSÉ JORGE and his wife ANNA LUÍZA of Ponta da Fajã Grande das Flores? They had (at least) two children who immigrated to Northern California, Frank A. George (b. ca. 1848, presumably as FRANCISCO JORGE ) and ISABEL THOMAZIA (b. ca. 1854). In addition, I have over old letters to Isabel in Portuguese from two nieces and a nephew of hers who stayed behind in Ponta da Fajã Grande: 7 are signed by MARIA MATEUS (or Matheus) SILVEIRA (1913-1938); 8 are signed by ANA FLORIPES (or Floripe or Fluripas) DA SILVEIRA (7 between 1917-1926, plus 1 undated); and, 1 is signed by MANUEL LUÍZ FURTADO (1936). Additionally, I have an undated letter from JOSÉ ANTÓNIO VALADÃO (possibly from Flores) and a 1921 letter from ISABEL FURTADO in Oakland, California. Does any recognize any of these names? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Borba
Adair, Have you tried FindaGrave.com online? I've located several relatives grave information on this site. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi Debbie Wolgemuth Riverside, California Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:23:49 + Subject: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Borba From: bellema...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Adair, I spoke with a very nice woman at the Western Sonoma County Historical Society and she found the following. She said they are buried at a little cemetery she thought was called Forest Lawn on the corner of Bodega Hwy but I have a feeling it is Sebastopol Memorial Lawn Cemetery as I cannot find a Forest Lawn Cemetery. I am not familiar with Sebastopol but she said if you get to Pleasant Hill you have gone too far. So I have called Sebastopol Memorial Lawn and waiting for them to call me back with exact dates of death for Jennie and Manuel. Manuel E. Borba 1851-1934 Jennie Borba 1856-1946 Wm. Sebastian Borba 1886-1971 Manuel I. Borba 1878-1977 The woman and the Western Sonoma County Historical Society started giving me info in obit but I'm sorry I could not write that fast but she did tell me the obits would have been in either the Santa Rosa Press Democrat or the Sebastopol paper. Also, she said someone in the office did a study of some of the people in the area and she said Borba was a familiar name in the area so you might want to give them a jingle to see what else they might have on the family. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lost and Found
Cheri, I live about 45 minutes from Hemet. Would you like me to drive to the cemetery sometime and take pictures of the headstones? It seems to be quite popular with my ancestors in the South (Georgia, Florida). Let me know the cemetery name and I'll stop by to take pictures and e-mail them to you. Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 21:47:50 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lost and Found To: Azores@googlegroups.com Story has it that my ancestors, who came to America had a total of 6 kids. Four of the boys lived to adulthood. One handwritten note exists from a daughter-in-law that states Baby girl born in RI (crossed out) Cal. passed away very little. - Baby boy born in RI was only a few days old. My great-grandma's will states that she had 3 living children (at the time of her will) and one son who died in 1965 and two other children who died in infancy. Six is the magic number. And my ancestors weren't in RI, they were in New Bedford, MA. I think that part of the story is mixed up. Dick Eastman put out a blurb last month from the Hemet-San Jacinto (CA) Genealogy Society. They are doing a centennial book. My ancestors settled and died there. So I got after my dad (age 76) to start writing. I called one of the contacts today about the submission and other particulars. She goes and pulls out her cemetery book. I didn't know that they had one. She says that George and Louise Mello are buried there (my grandparents). She said William Lois R. Mello are buried there (my aunt uncle). She said Manuel Gloria Mello are there (my greats - the ones from Ribeira das Tainhas). AND IN THAT PLOT IS ANOTHER MANUEL My dad got the cemetery records for me about a year ago. One thing about most workers - they give you what you asked for. He didn't ask for any lost Manuels. He only got his parents, grandparents, and aunt and uncle. No other Manuel. Now to figure out when this Manuel was born and died. Probably in the 19teens when some records were hit and miss. Pretty good though. I now have the name of one of the missing children! It only took 18 years for that one! LOL Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Spelling Standardization
www.ancestry.com has a way to list all the various spellings of the person in the record. You do have to select one name that is the preferred name. I've seen in old census records where people were listed with their initials, nicknames, first names, middle names and spelling errors in different census records. This is especially evident in my Southern ancestors in South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and Mississippi. Keeping track of all the various spellings helps the ancestry.com computer to search for all those varieties. Posting all the various name spellings has, more than once, helped me find an important additional record for my genealogy research. Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Spelling Standardization Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:28:07 -0400 Cheri is right about which program you use. When I do a file/data base and standardize names I create a fact recording exactly how the name was written in the record. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 5:10 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Spelling Standardization Hi Jesse, I guess it depends. Depending on your genealogy program, you might be able to store one as a main name and the other as a nickname and have both names come up. Cheri -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
Here is my Flores ancestry. It was a blessing to know my great grandparents as they lived into their late 80's/early 90's. They only spoke Portuguese, but were very loving to me. I think my relatives were a part of the Flores Drinking Society too. My grandmother and Ava loved drinking the Port wine while they were cooking a family celebration meal (soupas, filhos on Ash Wednesday). Occasionally I think they had too much of the Port wine and the tongues would get loose. I knew as a very young lady to exit the ranch house quickly when I started hearing English (generally swear words) because a fight between Granny and Ava was going to start. LOL My Flores ancestors: Me Debra Irene Rodrigues * 1958 Merced, CA - ... Father George Edwin Rodrigues * 1939 Merced, CA - 2003 Merced, CA Grandmother Marie Elaine George * 1912 Merced, CA - 2002 Merced, CA Paternal Great Grandparents Francisco Jose Jorge (later changed to George in the USA) 07 Dec 1871 Faja Grande, Azores - 12 Dec 1963 Merced, CA, USA (Note: Immigrated to Merced County, Early jobs: digging the roads into Yosemite National Park, working as a farmhand for 20 years before purchasing his own farm, Alfalfa Sweet Potato Farmer on Franklin Road next to the Santa Fe Railroad, Attended and Supported the Buhach Church) Leopoldina Lucindo Freitas 16 May 1884 Faja Grande, Flores, Azores - 19 Mar 1973 Merced, CA, USA (Note: Marriage to Francisco was delayed because of the death of her mother. Lena stayed to raise the younger children for several years. Francisco sent for Lena to marry her. She traveled with a female companion because it was not proper for a lady to travel alone. Cannot verify but we think that Francisco met her in New York City as she entered the USA through Ellis Island. Francisco, Lena and the companion traveled to Fresno where they stayed with a Freitas cousin until marrying a few weeks later at a Catholic Church in Fresno, CA.) Paternal Great Great Grandparents Antonio Jose Jorge * 1827 Flores, Azores - ? Ana de Jesus * 1843 Flores, Azores - ? Maternal Great Great Grandparents Jose L Henriques * 1852 Faja Grande, Flores, Azores - ? Maria Lucinda de Freitas * 1853 Loma Village, Flores, Azores - ? Debbie Rodrigues Wolgemuth Researching Jorge, Freitas, Rodrigues, Enos Flores, Azores, Portugal * Merced and the Bay Area in California Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:32:46 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society From: gfsjo...@gmail.com To: Azores@googlegroups.com I've become envious of the Ponta Garca Gang and the Cabral Travassos Country Club and their good fortune in finding cousins. So I hereby establish the Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society. We Flores people are not so fortunate as our more easterly cousins. Flores was subject to the plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors and their institutions. According to historical accounts, Flores was attacked by Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall. The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa Cruz, Flores who were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga, date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz, Flores. I would venture a guess that Marianna was related to Diogo das Chagas, whose mother was also a Fraga. Her parents were Domingos Fernandez and Catarina de Freitas. How about it, any cousins out there with these same ancestors? John Vasconcelos -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baganha, author Portuguese Emigration
http://socialsciences.academickeys.com/whoswho.php?dothis=displayfolk%5BIDX%5D=479979 Maria Ioannis Benis Baganha, Professor, University of Coimbra, Portugal Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Jorge, Freitas, Rodrigues, Enos From: rosecapr...@msn.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baganha, author Portuguese Emigration Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 19:20:57 -0600 From a book Portuguese Emigration to the United State, 1820-1930 by Maria Ioannis Benis Baganha in the Salt Lake City, Family History Library. From the title info and intro note this 1990 work was a revised version of her University of Pennsylvania,1988 Ph. D. Dissertation. Does anyone know where she might be now? (before I go on a chase through the collegate sources) She mentions the example (on page 34) of Frank M. Rosa of sending for six family members. I'm trying to connect for my Rosa family. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] looking for information on my g ggrandfather
Frank, I've discovered from connections on this list, that many of the Azoreans who came to Merced were from Flores, as were my great grandparents. Debbie Wolgemuth Researching: Jorge, Rodrigues, Enos who settled in Merced, CA Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:12:11 -0500 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] looking for information on my g ggrandfather From: fbartl...@wildblue.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Looking for information on my g ggrandfather and his brother. He and his brother immigrated to the US in the 1870's-1880's as a pre teen and his brother a teen as the story has been told. They came through Portsmouth, NH. My g grandfather was then adopted by a Bartlett family in NH and later moved on to the Boston area. Much is known about him from there on. But little mention of his past. We know his brother moved on very soon after arrival to Merced CA. They used an anglicized name something like Gerrivas, Gerevas. or possibly Gervasio. We know a sister joined the Uncle later on in the 1880's, but she went directly to Merced. I am trying to find the family name and the Azorean island of they're origin. Some had mentioned in the ancestry notes that it most likely was a western island of Sao Jorge, Pico, Faial, or Flores, since they supposedly arrived on a whaling vessel. Anyway a trip to the Azores is on my bucket list but I would like to have a little more info before I go. Thanks, Frank Bartlett -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Learning Portuguese
Many local community colleges in California offer Portuguese foreign language courses. Riverside Community College has a class offered for the spring semester. Debbie Wolgemuth Riverside, CA Researching Jorge, Rodrigues, Enos -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] santa maria land ownership
I believe that you can go to a Title Company and request a report showing the entire history of the property. We went to a bed and breakfast in California's wine country and they had did this and framed it. The title report went back to the Spanish who owned the land...interesting. Debbie Rodrigues Wolgemuth From: tish.me...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:18:06 -0800 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] santa maria land ownership To: Azores@googlegroups.com I have been talking to my cousin and she has told me the family story of how in 1910 when our great grandfather, Jose Soares de Figueiredo died, he left land that later became the US Air Force Base in Santa Maria. I wondered if there was a way to tell who owned that land prior to 1910 or of the sale of the land in 1910. Any suggestions?Tish -- sfig Researching Island: Santa Maria Freguesia: Santa Barbara -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Siblings of Grandparents / 1940 US Census
Thank you for the blessings of help in finding the holes to my Portuguese/Azores ancestors! I am trying to finish this project soon to send my 90+ year old Great Aunt, whose parents immigrated from Flores. Her memory is fading and it is difficult wading through what she can remember...a few knicknames of uncles, cousins (don't know how they are connected) and family lore (some uncle being killed by the Portuguese mafia thrown off a train near Bakersfield...was there such a thing?). My final project is to find out the names of the siblings of my great grandparents. Could the list members help me finish this information for my Aunty Anna's holiday gift? I would appreciate it greatly. Siblings of the Marriage Jose Lucindo de Freitas Henriques, age 22 years (son of Laureano Jose de Freitas Henriques and Ana Emilia de Freitas) married on 14 Feb 1874 to Maria Lucinda de Freitas, 21 years (daughter of Jose LKuis Silveira and Manana de Jesus), Page 231 1. Leopoldina Lucindo Freitas (born 16 May 1884 Faja Grande, Lajes, Azores, Portugal died 19 Mar 1973 Merced, Merced, California, USA) Siblings of the Marriage From the CCA Baptism Site, Faja Grande page 146, Francisco the legitimate son of Antion Jose Jorge and Anna de Jesus, Paternos: Jose Ignacio Jorge and Maria dos Santos, Maternos: Antonio de Freitas Fragueiro and Rita Loureana 1. Francisco Jose Jorge (born 07 Dec 1872 Faja Grande, Lajes, Azores, Portugal died 12 Dec 1963 Merced, Merced, California, USA) Also, does anyone know when the 1940 US census records will be released? Shouldn't it be in 2010 sometime? Thank you for all your help on the Azores Genealogy list. May you enjoy and cherish celebrating 2010 with your families! Debbie Rodrigues Wolgemuth Riverside, CA Researching: Jorge, Freitas, Rodrigues families -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
