Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Simmons = What in Portugese?

[Jason Fraga]

Simoes?


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On Nov 14, 2013, at 2:46 PM, New Bedford Simmons  or Faial / Pico Simoes 
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> Is Simmons an authentic Portugese name?
> If not what would be the translation of this Americanized last name?
>  
> Suggestions appreciated.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese

[Jason Fraga]

David, the Azorean accent is quite a bit different than the mainland accent. 
Here in Massachusetts, there's a distinct difference in accent between 
Portuguese-speaking people in New Bedford (largely Azorean) and Ludlow, which 
is just 90 miles inland (largely mainlanders).

I went into a butcher shop in Ludlow, which is the next town over from where I 
live. Asked the butcher for chourico, and proceeded to get a lecture from him 
in from of the other customers on how to pronounce it. I almost hit him off the 
head with it.

You've stumbled onto one difference: r's in the Azorean dialect sound much 
harder- like d's.

Hope that helps,

Jay 

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On Jul 12, 2013, at 4:10 PM, David Perry  wrote:

> I'm starting to learn Portuguese and everything I see and hear doesn't sound 
> at all like what I remember as a child while listening to my born in Sao 
> Miguel father talking to his relatives and neighbors, all of whom spoke only 
> Portuguese.  For instance, I specifically remember very well two words:  
> "legs" which my father pronounced pad-nish (doesn't sound at all like what I 
> see in a dictionary - pernas) and chourico which my father pronounced 
> shoo-dees.  How different is the Sao Miguel Portuguese from Lisbon 
> Portuguese?  Are there a few general rules I can follow such as "r's sound 
> like d's" or "drop the ending vowel" as in the two examples above?
> David  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trouble Finding Achada Couples Marriages 1850-1860

[Jason Fraga]

Island Routes, 

I'm going to have to check my tree. I have heavy, heavy, heavy Pacheco's from 
the Salga/Achada/Achadinha area there in the Nordeste. 

I'm intrigued!

Jay

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On Feb 5, 2013, at 9:56 PM, JR  wrote:

> I never did look in Fenais da Ajuda for your ancestors (no film available), 
> but if memory serves, I believe Shirley Allegre did. It has finally dawned on 
> me that your ancestors may have married in Salga, which is in between Fenais 
> and Achada. You can see this practice in some records where people who were 
> from far-apart villages sometimes married in a village between the two home 
> villages. Of course, the usual practice was to marry in the village of the 
> bride. But there are a lot of Melos or Cabral de Melos in Achada, so I think 
> that is where your Melo ancestors are from.
> 
> JR
> 
> On Tuesday, February 5, 2013 2:27:30 PM UTC-5, IslandRoutes wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't posted here in awhile as I have really worked on my Azorean lines 
>> in a couple of years.  But, now the records for my village, Achada, are 
>> online, I've been at it again. I've been working on my Pacheco-de Mello's 
>> exclusively.  I've redone some work I did years ago, pieced it together with 
>> information from other researchers, and worked back to the 1600s.
>> 
>> I'm now going back to find some marriages I could not find originally in the 
>> period 1850-1860.  It seems during this period very few marriages occurred 
>> in Achada.  Maybe 3 or 4 a year.  It's left me with a problem.  I cannot 
>> find the marriages for family members during those years.  I know they were 
>> in the area as they have children there a couple years later.  I also see 
>> one of my ancestors as a witness on some of the marriage records.
>> 
>> But, I still do not have a marriage for my great great grandparents, Anna 
>> Jacinta de Mello and Jacinto Pacheco.  It's possible Anna and Jacinto were 
>> married in his village, Fenais de Vera Cruz (i.e. Ajuda) But, Anna had some 
>> siblings and cousins and I don't see marriages for them either.  I do know 
>> that Anna was born in Achada in 1835.  I know she had her son, Manoel, in 
>> Achada in 1863.  So, I think I've established where she should have been.
>> 
>> So my question is where did they go?  Were they not married?  Were they 
>> married in another church in a nearby village?  I understand Achada is a 
>> small village, but it appears these people were living there.  Did something 
>> happen where they could not marry in the church in Achada for a few years?  
>> Has anyone else worked in the Achada records and faced the same problem and 
>> found the marriages elsewhere?  Any ideas on where I should look next?  I 
>> will try Fenais da Vera Cruz again once those records are online.  
>> 
>> Sorry...a lot of questions :)  It is a mystery to me I'd like to solve!  
>> Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] LEWIS as a surname from Portugal

[Jason Fraga]

Betty, I have a number of Lewis cousins that are from the Azores. The name was 
changed from Luiz. 

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts 

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On Jan 25, 2012, at 4:45 AM, bbffrrpp  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> The other day I was doing a look-up in census records for another
> researcher.   They were looking for a William LEWIS in Bristol County,
> Massachusetts.It could have been anywhere in the 1880 to 1920
> timeframe. I was surprised when I saw in the 1900 census that
> there were 10  Joseph LEWIS' and 10 Mary LEWIS'  listed, with most
> born in Portugual, Azores, Madeira.
> 
> I hadn't thought of LEWIS as a Portuguese surname. One of my
> ancestors was a LEWIS and he was from England, and it is popular
> there.   And LEWIS is a popular name in Wales.
> 
> FYI: I just saw the other discussion in the Group this morning,
> and I can mention something. My step-son sometimes travels to
> Europe for his job,  and last fall he called to ask about his Azorean
> ancestors. I don't remember the exact details, but the summary is
> that, IF he could say that his grandparents were born in the Azores,
> he could travel to some of the countries in Europe without a
> passport   (perhaps Portugal?). But, I had done basic research on
> his father's family-tree,  and it was the step-son's great-
> grandparents who were born in the Azores.So, that didn't
> count. His father's father was born in Massachusetts.
> 
> Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)
> 
> 
> 
> (I've posted before about the  Antonio PACHECO, b1885 near Ponta
> Delgada, Sao Miguel, and Elsie MOURA, b~1892 probably in Sao
> Miguel.Both arrived separately ~1905, and married in Cambridge, MA
> in 1911.I was told that the father, Francisco MOURA, might have
> originated in Santa Maria.Tony's father was Joao PACHECO.)
> 
> (I've never had the time to attempt to find the ships they traveled
> on.I also have not had the time to try to find out whether "Frank"
> MOURA came to the US  when his wife and children came to MA ~1910.
> He could have been killed at sea as a Whaler,  or the couple
> separated.)
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

[Jason Fraga]

That was it!!!  Molho Cru

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On Aug 29, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Steve Gomes  wrote:

> Yes. Thank you for that information.  My parents always called it, "Molho Cru"
> 
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Jason Fraga  
> wrote:
> Bacalhau doesn't have to be salted to be 'bacalhau'.  Bacalhau is "Cod".  It 
> can be fresh or salted.  With regard to the cold dish that Steve was speaking 
> of, my relatives really do (did) refer to it as just bacalhau.  The 
> equivalent scenario in English I suppose would be to call "Fettuccine 
> Alfredo" simply, "Pasta". 
>  
> I just called my Grandmother to ask what the specialized name of the dish was 
> (beyond bacalhau), and it translates as "Cold Sauce".  She couldn't spell the 
> second part of it, but Molho is definitely the first word.  That lends a bit 
> of creedence to what Eric's saying below about Molho Escabeche, although the 
> second word didn't sound exactly like escabeche. 
>  
> We're talking about the same thing here though, as far as the cold dish with 
> cod, onions, and vinegar.
>  
>  
> Respectfully,
>  
> Jay Fraga
> Massachusetts
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: eric edgar
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 2:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
> 
> Bacalhau is the salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An 
> accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of the year.
>  
> The Molho Escabeche  can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated 
> bacalau, raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or grilled.
>  
>  
> Eric Edgar
> 
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM,  wrote:
> Yes, that is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name.
> Sherry
>  
> In a message dated 8/26/2011 10:13:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
> jay_fr...@applimetrix.com writes:
> Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out there.
> 
> Jay Fraga
> Massachusetts
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Steve Gomes" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe
> 
> 
> My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish,
> vinegar, raw onions, and saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
> family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
> it is a dish my grandmother made up.
> 
> steve.go...@gmail.com
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

[Jason Fraga]

Bacalhau doesn't have to be salted to be 'bacalhau'.  Bacalhau is "Cod".  It 
can be fresh or salted.  With regard to the cold dish that Steve was speaking 
of, my relatives really do (did) refer to it as just bacalhau.  The equivalent 
scenario in English I suppose would be to call "Fettuccine Alfredo" simply, 
"Pasta".  

I just called my Grandmother to ask what the specialized name of the dish was 
(beyond bacalhau), and it translates as "Cold Sauce".  She couldn't spell the 
second part of it, but Molho is definitely the first word.  That lends a bit of 
creedence to what Eric's saying below about Molho Escabeche, although the 
second word didn't sound exactly like escabeche.  

We're talking about the same thing here though, as far as the cold dish with 
cod, onions, and vinegar.


Respectfully, 

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts


  - Original Message - 
  From: eric edgar 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 2:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe


  Bacalhau is the salted codfish. There are hundreds of recipes for it. An 
accomplished Portuguese chef knows 365 recipes, one for everyday of the year.

  The Molho Escabeche  can be used on any fish, whether it's rehydrated 
bacalau, raw fresh fish, fried fish, baked broiled or grilled.


  Eric Edgar


  On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM,  wrote:

Yes, that is what it is called! I remember it now that I see the name. 
Sherry

In a message dated 8/26/2011 10:13:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
jay_fr...@applimetrix.com writes:
  Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out 
there.

  Jay Fraga
  Massachusetts


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  From: "Steve Gomes" 
  To: 
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe


  My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish,
  vinegar, raw onions, and saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
  family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
  it is a dish my grandmother made up.

  steve.go...@gmail.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe

[Jason Fraga]

Steve, that'd be bacalhau.  There are heated and cold variations out there.

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts


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From: "Steve Gomes" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] cold fish recipe


My mother and ava used to make a cold fish dish of white fish,
vinegar, raw onions, and saffron.  Has anyone else had that in their
family?  i cant find it on the Internet anywhere.  I am wondering if
it is a dish my grandmother made up.

steve.go...@gmail.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called "Rosas do Egipto" ["Rosas do Egito"] or Egyptian Roses?

[Jason Fraga]

MM.. malassadas!

We were just at the Feast of the Blessed Sacrament in New Bedford a week 
ago, and I ate my fill of them.  I live 90 miles inland from NB, and while 
there are Portuguese bakeries around here, they are run by mainlanders.  The 
mainland old timers in this area will tell you that malassadas and filhos 
are one in the same thing, but my taste buds disagree.  Filhos, at least 
around here, are thinner and much more dense than malassadas.  Malassadas 
tend to be thicker and airy (and much more satisfying).  I don't think it's 
my island bias speaking here- my wife, who is italian, much prefers 
malassadas to filhos.


Jay





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To: 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dessert called "Rosas do Egipto" ["Rosas 
do Egito"] or Egyptian Roses?



Katharine if you go on line and do a search of Malassada they have a few 
different site that show different variation. 
http://www.mahalo.com/how-to-make-malasadas/

Ed





On Aug 14, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Katharine wrote:


Muito obrigada para todos!!!  (Thank you very much, everyone)

The novel I'm translating takes place in Nordeste, São Miguel,
although as someone whose father was ¾ Florentino, I appreciate
Debbie's information as well, from a personal viewpoint -- since I
know so little re my family's hidden Portuguese ancestry (such a huge,
forbidden secret), and this adds another clue to my search for my own
destroyed roots.  Also, I find it interesting how some traditions are
universal throughout the Azorean archipelago, while others can be
unique even within a region of just one island!

The fried-in-oil dough described by Gayle, Margaret, Cheri, Linda and
Donna is surely what the novelist is referring to.

Allegedly, "malassadas" in the eastern Azorean islands are the same as
what are called "filhós" in the central and western groups.  Is that
correct?

I also sent an email with this inquiry to an immigrant friend
originally from near Nordeste, and he said his mother loved them, made
them, and used a dough-cutter to give them their characteristic
shape.  I replied a little while ago asking if that was a rosette
shape, since I've yet to find any pictures of "Rosas do Egipto"
online, but have yet to receive a reply.  Will keep you posted if I
learn more.

I left my native Bay Area for back East long ago (long before I knew
of my Portuguese heritage).  Where we live in the diaspora, I
literally do not know a single Azorean-American -- NOT ONE :-(   If,
like some of you lucky ones, I lived near a Portuguese bakery, I'd be
one of their steadiest customers -- and probably one of their plumpest
ones as well!!!

Katharine.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Asking for a "blessing"

[Jason Fraga]

Tremendous! Thanks very much-

Jay


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  Pai, sua benção!  Father, your blessings! etc.


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  Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2011 10:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Asking for a "blessing"


  Sorry, all- I sent this from a different email address a few minutes ago and 
I think it bounced due to lack of permission to post.  This address should work.


  I know that in the old country, my Azorean relatives would honor the custom 
of asking for the blessing of their elders.  My "Uncle" Tony (who is actually 
my Grandmother's brother) told me a funny story about attending family 
functions and funerals where my Great Grandfather upon entering a room would 
see all of the old and imposing "Aunts" lined up.  My Vavoo would get serious 
and tell Uncle Tony (with emphasis), "Now, you go up right away to them and ask 
for their blessing; I don't want any trouble".  I always laugh, because I can 
picture my Vavoo saying that.  And from family stories that were passed down, 
you sure didn't want to mess with the old aunts in my family.

  So, on the subject of the blessing, do any of you know how it actually goes 
em Portugues, and a rough translation?  I was thinking that it would be nice to 
teach to my kids for the next time that we see Uncle Tony.

  Thanks in advance, 

  Jay
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Asking for a "blessing"

[Jason Fraga]

Sorry, all- I sent this from a different email address a few minutes ago and I 
think it bounced due to lack of permission to post.  This address should work.


I know that in the old country, my Azorean relatives would honor the custom of 
asking for the blessing of their elders.  My "Uncle" Tony (who is actually my 
Grandmother's brother) told me a funny story about attending family functions 
and funerals where my Great Grandfather upon entering a room would see all of 
the old and imposing "Aunts" lined up.  My Vavoo would get serious and tell 
Uncle Tony (with emphasis), "Now, you go up right away to them and ask for 
their blessing; I don't want any trouble".  I always laugh, because I can 
picture my Vavoo saying that.  And from family stories that were passed down, 
you sure didn't want to mess with the old aunts in my family.

So, on the subject of the blessing, do any of you know how it actually goes em 
Portugues, and a rough translation?  I was thinking that it would be nice to 
teach to my kids for the next time that we see Uncle Tony.

Thanks in advance, 

Jay

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching ancestors - da Rosa (Roza), Furtado de Mendonca, de Avelar, Pereira de Avila, Bettencourt, Conceicao...

[Jason Fraga]

I would venture a guess that most of us have a "Conceicao" in the family- 
that's not typically a "last name" as we have them here.  It's given to 
females.  Other examples of that would be "de Jesus".





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To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching ancestors - da Rosa (Roza), 
Furtado de Mendonca, de Avelar, Pereira de Avila, Bettencourt, Conceicao...



Suzanne,
My grandmother has da Conceicao in her family, but I don't yet know more 
than that.

Diane

Sent from my rotary phone

On Apr 21, 2011, at 12:40 PM, sdarosa  wrote:


Hello, I haven't posted to the group in a long time and was wondering
if anyone has connections to some of the families in my line listed in
the research below. \
Surnames are:
da Rosa, da Roza, Furtado deMendonça, de Avelar, de Ávila, da
Conceição, Pereira de Ávila, Pereira de Ávila Bettencourt,  de Jesus,
Pereira Pires, Pereira Machado, Leal, Gomes de Brito, Delfina,
Silveira, da Cunha, Pereira Cardoso,
From: Sao Jorge - Velas/Rosais/Norte Gde/Urzelina

Suzanne

THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS FROM SAO JORGE MICROFILMED RECORDS OF
SIBLINGS, PARENTS, GRAND & GRGRAND PARENTS OF JOSEPH (JOSE) da ROSA:
Ancestors of José da Rosa

Generation No. 1

1. José da Rosa, born 29 Setembro 1836 in Velas, São
Jorge. He was the son of 2. José da Rosa Furtado de
Mendonça and 3. Vitorina Claudia de Avelar.

Generation No. 2

2. José da Rosa Furtado de Mendonça, born 4
Fevereiro 1800 in Velas, São Jorge. He was the son of
4. António Pereira de Ávila and 5. Rosa da Conceição.
He married 3. Vitorina Claudia de Avelar 23 Setembro
1820 in Velas, São Jorge.
3. Vitorina Claudia de Avelar, born 21 Abril 1801 in
Urzelina, São Jorge. She was the daughter of 6.
incógnito and 7. incógnita.

Children of José de Mendonça and Vitorina de Avelar
are:
i. Ana, born 24 Junho 1821 in Velas, São Jorge.
ii. Maria, born 25 Novembro 1823 in Velas, São
Jorge.
iii. Rosa, born 27 Março 1826 in Velas, São Jorge.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting story with recipes.

[Jason Fraga]

Quick question on the pronounciation of "Sopas".  I totally didn't make this 
connection until a few minutes ago, and I've been reading this thread for days. 
  I remember my Great Grandparents and Grandparents talking about something 
that sounded (in their accents) "Soup-esh" or "Soup-age".  Same stuff?


  
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

  Diane,

  It depends.

  The sopas served at the Portuguese halls in California are served either 
with the broth and bread in one pot and the meat and cabbage in the other pot 
(and then you put it together yourself on your plate) or sometimes it's broth 
and cabbage in one pot and the meat in the other or sometimes it's all put 
together in one big pot.  I just plop it on my plate.  It all goes to the same 
place - my stomach!  LOL

  Cheri Mello
  Listowner, Azores-Gen
  Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
Tainhas, Achada 



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting story with recipes.

[Jason Fraga]

I've yet to see kale soup around here (Massachusetts) that has eggs in it.  The 
recipes handed down from my Grandparents on both sides were devoid of it.  
Haven't seen eggs in any of the restaurant versions around here either.

There's a definite difference in mainland Portuguese versus Azorean kale soup 
though.  Mainland tends to mash their potatoes into the soup, and the Azorean 
version is much more chunky through and through.  I'm much more of a fan of the 
Azorean style :)  

  - Original Message - 
  From: lharrah...@aol.com 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting story with recipes.


  My mother made kale/collard soup frequently.  I recall she sometimes added 
beans, carrots, potatoes but never eggs.  This is the first time I ever heard 
about the eggs.  Are eggs the most common way to make the soup?  Did the 
recipes vary from island to island? 

  Laura


  In a message dated 2/13/2011 10:24:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
d...@wwdb.org writes:
Thank you!  All I remember is a big soup pot and eggs.  When I asked a 
cousin many years later, they thought Great-Grandmother must have been making 
kale soup.  The recipes for kale soup I found did not include eggs so this 
recipe was interesting.  Unfortunately none of Great-grandmother's recipes were 
passed down to my generation.


 
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

  Diane,

  It depends.

  The sopas served at the Portuguese halls in California are served either 
with the broth and bread in one pot and the meat and cabbage in the other pot 
(and then you put it together yourself on your plate) or sometimes it's broth 
and cabbage in one pot and the meat in the other or sometimes it's all put 
together in one big pot.  I just plop it on my plate.  It all goes to the same 
place - my stomach!  LOL

  Cheri Mello
  Listowner, Azores-Gen
  Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
Tainhas, Achada 



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Defraga family

[Jason Fraga]

Debby, I know some Stoughton Fraga's.  I'll ask them if they know anything-

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts



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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Debby
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 1:19 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Defraga family

I am looking for any information on Antonio Defraga

Antonio Defraga

B: 8 Feb 1924 in Azores, Portugal
D:  22 May 1994 in Stoughton ,Mass.
married  Lourdes Carmo Lima in  the Azores Portugal B: 27 Feb 1926 in
Flores, Azores, Portugal D: 27 Sep 1992  Stoughton Massachusetts
 they came to the US abt 1969 into Boston Mass then went to California
to stay with Tonie's brother Joseph Defraga .

Tony and Lourdes had 2 sons
Helder Edwardo Lima. de Fraga and Paul George Lima de Fraga

both born in the Azores islands
I am doing a family chart for my Grandson who is also the Grandson of
Helder E. Fraga B: 22 July 1950 in Azores Islands Portugal. Any help
at all would be very much appreciated.
PS I have contacted Helder E. Fraga but he doesn't know a lot about
his family roots.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naturalization questions

[Jason Fraga]

Tremendous!  That's about as direct a response possible.  Thank you!

Jay


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  From: Judi Phillips 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 3:54 PM
  Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naturalization questions


  Jay,
  If they exist, they should be in the regional national archives at the 
Frederick C Murphy Federal Center, 380 Trapelo Rd., Waltham, MA.
  The phone is 781/663-0130 and email waltham.archi...@nara.gov.  You can also 
search  online at www.archives.gov/northeast/boston.  certificate number is on 
the index, so you may be able to find out on the phone.  The cost for the 
documents is somewhere around $ 7 - 10.00.
   
  Good luck,
  Judi

   

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  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naturalization questions
  Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 14:11:44 -0400


  Hi Folks,

  I've attached an image of a record that I recently found regarding my Great 
Great Grandfather.  Prior to the discovery of this record, my family was not 
aware that he ever made it to this country from Corvo.  We (incorrectly) 
believed that my Great Grandfather (his son) along with his brothers and 
sisters were the first in the line to set foot here, as we have clear 
documentation of all of that.  My Dad thought he had the foggy recollection of 
hearing that my Great Great Grandfather was a harpooner on a whaleboat, which 
now has the rest of the researchers in my family curious. 

  The discovery of this record leads me to believe that he had to have jumped 
ship here, as I can find no legitimate manifests that show him immigrating here 
at any point.  The whaling angle and jumping ship makes perfect sense given New 
Bedford's history as a whaling center, and the Yankee Fleet's propensity to 
pick up islanders under the cover of the night.  What we do know for sure is 
that he died on Corvo in the early 1920's, so he obviously went back there at 
some point and stayed put.  

  Since I have this document, he must have filed a longer petition to be 
granted citizenship, no?  Might those records still be stored somewhere?

  Thanks in advance,

  Jay Fraga
  Massachusetts

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]Portuguese wine

[Jason Fraga]

Just wanted to put my two cents in here by mentioning Madeiran Wine.  It's an 
appertiff, very strong, and thick.  I always get some at the Feast of the 
Blessed Sacrament in New Bedford.  Whatever is left after the Feast has to be 
sent back to Madeira- it's very regulated.  It also has some neat history with 
regards to this country.  Our forefathers celebrated the signing of the 
Declaration of Independence by drinking Madeiran Wine.

It packs quite the buzz!

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts



  - Original Message - 
  From: nancy jean baptiste 
  To: azores group 
  Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:49 PM
  Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy]Portuguese wine


  Also, a good wine from Pico is the Friar Gigante.Lajido is the wine that was 
sent to the Czar's and kings at the time it was in full production and you can 
still buy it on Pico. Very good honey colored wine. I wish we could buy Pico or 
Portuguese wines in Arkansas!
   
  Nancy
   

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  From: danandma...@comcast.net
  To: azores@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]Portuguese wine


  It is a dessert liqueur.  Not wine.
   
  As for Azorean table wines, there is one from Pico called Basalto that is a 
very nice red. Otherwise, seek wines from the mainland (Douro, Alentejo, Dao 
regions).
   
  Summer is ideal for vinhos verdes. Some are produced rather cheaply and 
over-carbonated (Gatao, Lagosta, and Mateus are in this category). Really nice 
one, not expensive, served very cold is Casal Garcia. Probably the best quality 
vinho verde is Palacio da Brejoeira. You'll pay a little more but it is great 
quality.
   
  Here in Nashville, it has taken us a while to educate various wine stores to 
get these wines in but they are finally catching on and everyone is happier. 
   
  Maria Moore
   

  - Original Message -
  From: "Cheri Mello" 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 5:52:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]Portuguese wine

  Linda,

  Maracuja is a dessert wine.  It's made from passion fruit, I believe.

  Cheri




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Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cacciola and such

[Jason Fraga]

I remember my Grandmother and Great Grandparents making Cacoila quite a bit 
back in the day.  I'm 38 now, so this was when I was around 10 and younger.  

Neat fact:  In New Bedford, MA- if you go to the end of the point in Clark's 
Cove, there's a park called the Fort Taber - Fort Rodman Park.  There's a very 
nice kids playground there that has a large outdoor snackbar.  They serve 
Cacoila sandwiches, Linguica, Chourico, and all kinds of Portuguese dishes.  
New Bedford is heavily Azorean, so all of that food is cooked with an Azorean 
rather than mainland flair.

I live about 100 miles inland from New Bedford (my parents and grandparents 
grew up there), but when we visit, it always flips me out that there's a place 
that serves all of that food at a playground, of all places.  It's really neat.

Jay


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  To: azores 
  Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:33 PM
  Subject: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cacciola and such


  Thanks, Jay. I think I will make this for our family 4th of July party. 
Doesn't look too difficult... 

  I did search the spelling Cacoila on Ancestry and 2 came up. One in Brockton 
and one in NJ but it was US Public Records so not much info there. 

  "E" 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cacciola and such

[Jason Fraga]

Here's a quick hit of info on it.  Spelling is actually "Caçoila", which I'm 
not sure bears any heritage from Italy.  


http://www.portuguesecooking.com/recipes/main_dishes/cacoila


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To: 
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 12:27 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cacciola and such


Made a giant pot of cacciola and had the family in to celebrate!  Very
not fair to share with all of us!!

Which brings up the question, any ideas where/when cacciola came from.
 Was it first a part of a religious celebration of our ancestors as I
know when one goes to festas you usually have this delicious treat.

And since this perked the genealogist interest in me, I decided to see
if any of our ancestors used this as their last name, since they were
sometimes so creative with their last names, and I checked it out on
Ancestry; believe it or not it is a very much Italian surname!

"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1902 Heading on Ponta Delgada Passport Records?

[Jason Fraga]

Honestly, the *EASIEST* way to do this is to first try to get your hand on the 
ship's manifest for your Grandfather.  Ancestry.com has a search function that 
helps to narrow manifests down by name to make them easier to spot.  Once you 
get a hold of that, life becomes much easier when looking for the passaporte.  
The manifest will have the date the ship arrived here in the US as well as when 
it left the Azores.  Typically, I've found that my ancestors filled out their 
passaporte requests anywhere from a week to a month before they set sail from 
the Azores.

Hope this helps,

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts

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  From: jojo8...@comcast.net 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1902 Heading on Ponta Delgada Passport 
Records?


  Honora

  The site is http://pg.gov.pt/drac/cca/ig/passaportes/default.aspx?  Click on 
passaportes and then click on the years that you think are correct. There is no 
easy way to do this. You have to look at all the names and years. I'd start 
with 1908 and then check 1907 and 1909. It's much easier if you have a better 
idea of when they arrived because you can narrow the search. If you want some 
help searching send me their names (use my e-mail address) and where they lived 
in the U.S. Maybe the passenger lists from one of the genealogy sites will give 
you more information.


   Good luck.  


   Joanne


  - Original Message -
  From: "honora402" 
  To: "Azores Genealogy" 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:17:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1902 Heading on Ponta Delgada Passport  
Records?

  Forgive me for just jumping in here - but how does one find passport
  lists from Ponta Delgado? My grandfather came from there - not sure of
  the exact year, around 1908.  does anyone have any suggestions-
  thanks, Ellen

  On Apr 20, 7:49 am, Terri  wrote:
  > I was looking at the headings on the Passport Records and could not
  > make out the word between 'occupacao' and 'destinos' at the top of the
  > page.  It looks like it starts with the letter 'L' . What is it and
  > what does it mean?
  > Thank you
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] How do you spell Alexander in Portuguese

[Jason Fraga]

Alexandre, as far as I know-

 

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Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 8:08 PM
To: azores
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] How do you spell Alexander in Portuguese

 

Anyone know if the Portuguese spelling is Alexander or would it be something
else? 

Thank you. 
"E" 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Returning to the Azores & Passports

[Jason Fraga]

Jesse, that does look like a Passport photo-


- Original Message - 
From: "Jesse Pacheco" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:52 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Returning to the Azores & Passports


I have a picture of my great great grandfather, Jose da Costa, which has
always been strange to me because it is a professional portrait, but it
stands alone. There is no matching one of his wife, none of his
children, and it looks like it was taken between the 1930 and 1950? I
know that's a broad range.

This is the photo:
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/7365/redalbum0012.jpg

Based on his age, it is most likely his parents, who I know little
about, would have died during that time frame. Did people return to the
island (in this case, Sao Miguel) for funerals, or for anything? I know
that some did but was this common?

Is it possible that this is a passport photo that he had taken when
returning to the island for a funeral? Ancestry.com doesn't seem to have
any databases that would contain the information for this time period,
so is there anything I can do to verify this aside from asking relatives?

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rosetta Stone

[Jason Fraga]

Marek, the last time I checked, they didn't offer Continental Portuguese.  I
called and asked about it and the woman essentially told me to not hold my
breath waiting for one.  They do have Brazilian Portuguese, but that's not
quite the same.

 

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From: Marek Delacroix [mailto:marekdelacr...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:53 PM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rosetta Stone

 

Has anyone used the Rosetta Stone program to learn a language???

 

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Fw: [AZORES-Genealogy] Correia & Tavares, Sao Miguel

[Jason Fraga]

Don, Correia and Pacheco are two heavy names in my family tree.  They're 
heavily intertwined in the case of my family- a lot of them married each other, 
and it seems like both extended families (large families) came over a the same 
time and settled pretty much side by side on South First Street in New Bedford 
at the turn of the century (1900).

My Pacheco's and Correia's were all from Salga, in the Nordeste of Sao Miguel.  
We may be talking about two completely different groups of Correia's and 
Pacheco's, but to see you mention them in the same breath was an eyebrow raiser 
for me.

Are you directly descended from Manuel Correia Tavares, ie: is he a 
xGrandparent of yours?



Jay Fraga
Massachusetts



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From: Cheri Mello 
To: Azores Genealogy 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:48 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Correia & Tavares, Sao Miguel


Repost for Don Correia, Drtire at aol.com

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Significance of the surname "Jacob" in either Corvo or Flores?

[Jason Fraga]

That certainly would make a heck of a lot of sense.  I'll have to see if I
can push my line past the early 1600's to see if it pans out.

 

Thank you for the detailed explanation and the examples!

 

Jay Fraga

 

 

 

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From: John Vasconcelos [mailto:gfsjo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:30 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Significance of the surname "Jacob" in
either Corvo or Flores?

 

Jason,
I would be willing to bet that if you could trace your Fraga line back far
enough, you would  eventually come to a "Jacob de Fraga". On Flores (and by
extention on Corvo since there is a lot of intermarriage between the two
islands) there have been several instances of using what is normally a first
name as a "surname".

 I can cite a specific example from the book "Familias ds Ihla das Flores"
by Francisco Antonio Nunes Pimentel Gomes. In one family he traces, a
Nicolau de Fraga married to Maria Furtada has a son Manuel Francisco
Nicolau, who in turn has a son Francisco Antonio de Fraga, who in turn has a
son Manuel Francisco Nicolau. I could cite several other examples.  In some
cases the "new surname" sticks.  In other cases it alternates by generation
or unpredictably.

In my own family tree, I have a  3GGFAntonio de Freitas Eduardo (m 1782)
from Fajazinha Flores whose father was Eduardo de Freitas.  In present day
Fajazinha there is an Eduardo family who I'm sure I'm related to. In that
case, the Eduardo name "stuck". 

As to "why?" In the case of my "Freitas Eduardos", Freitas is a very common
Portuguese surname. I would bet that my ancestor wasn't the only "Antonio
Freitas" living in Fajazinha at the time. So my theory is that when there
were several people with the same name, the custom developed to distinguish
between them by their father's first name. Just my theory.

By the way, there area a lot of Fraga families on Corvo so my theory  would
seem to fit there.

John Vasconcelos 

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Jason Fraga 
wrote:

Does anyone know anything about this surname?  In my line, it first shows up
in 1767 with the Corvo birth of my 4XG Grandfather, Jose de Fraga Jacob.  It
does not show up in any of the three generations before him that we know of,
although Fraga certainly does.  He passes it on to his son (my 3XG
Grandfather) Antonio Jose de Fraga Jacob, who is born on Corvo in 1807.  

 

>From there, it seems like a coin flip- some of Antonio Jose's kids get the
"de Fraga Jacob" name, and some just get the straight "de Fraga" name.  My
2XG Grandfather Braz Jacinto de Fraga did not get it.   I'm interested in
Jacob for two reasons:  as always, I'd love to determine if living relatives
are out there, and I'd also like to know where it comes from and why.  

 

Useless info: my Great Grandfather got "Jacob" for a middle name, and nobody
in my family understood the significance of the name until I started doing
family research 3 years ago, as we didn't know any of these guys ever
existed.  Our knowledge stopped at my Great Grandfather, and we never even
knew which island he was from.  My nephew who was born 10 years ago also got
"Jacob" for a middle name in a nod to my Great Grandfather.  I think it's
neat that the name carried on into the modern day even if we had no idea
that it really had some family significance way back.  

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Jay Fraga

Massachusetts

 

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Significance of the surname "Jacob" in either Corvo or Flores?

[Jason Fraga]

Does anyone know anything about this surname?  In my line, it first shows up in 
1767 with the Corvo birth of my 4XG Grandfather, Jose de Fraga Jacob.  It does 
not show up in any of the three generations before him that we know of, 
although Fraga certainly does.  He passes it on to his son (my 3XG Grandfather) 
Antonio Jose de Fraga Jacob, who is born on Corvo in 1807.  

>From there, it seems like a coin flip- some of Antonio Jose's kids get the "de 
>Fraga Jacob" name, and some just get the straight "de Fraga" name.  My 2XG 
>Grandfather Braz Jacinto de Fraga did not get it.   I'm interested in Jacob 
>for two reasons:  as always, I'd love to determine if living relatives are out 
>there, and I'd also like to know where it comes from and why.  

Useless info: my Great Grandfather got "Jacob" for a middle name, and nobody in 
my family understood the significance of the name until I started doing family 
research 3 years ago, as we didn't know any of these guys ever existed.  Our 
knowledge stopped at my Great Grandfather, and we never even knew which island 
he was from.  My nephew who was born 10 years ago also got "Jacob" for a middle 
name in a nod to my Great Grandfather.  I think it's neat that the name carried 
on into the modern day even if we had no idea that it really had some family 
significance way back.  

Thanks in advance,

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madruga family

[Jason Fraga]

John, thank you VERY much for taking the time to look up that information
for me!  It is very much appreciated!

 

Best wishes and thanks,

 

Jay Fraga

 

 

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From: marra...@cs.com [mailto:marra...@cs.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:33 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madruga family

 

In a message dated 11/11/2009 3:37:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jay_fr...@applimetrix.com writes: 



Please forgive me for hijacking this thread… I’ve just “returned to the
living” after getting out of bed for the first time since last Friday with
the dreaded H1N1.  This message was the first thing that I saw when opening
up email.  It’s also the first time I’ve seen mention of Genealogias das
Quatro Ilhas being used for research since it became available at the end of
the summer.  



I’ve not been fortunate enough to be in a position to purchase the set.  Is
there any similar info (to what is below for the Madruga family) for the
Fraga family?  My Fraga’s are from Corvo, and I’ve seen many that are from
Flores as well.  I’ve long suspected a common link somewhere way down the
line, and that Fraga’s on both islands share a common ancestor way back.  I
was curious if anyone had the volumes and could take a peek.  It would be
greatly appreciated!

  

Jay Fraga

Massachusetts




There are 4 separate Fraga lines in Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas: Faial,
Pico, Flores, Corvo, Jorge Forjaz and António Ornelas Mendes,
Dislivro-Histórica, Lisbon: 2009. :

António de Fraga, married to Isabel Rodrigues, was a native of Braga. He
went to Flores between 1508-1510 in the colonization organized by Pedro da
Fonseca. In the same company went his brother Pedro de Fraga, married to
Margarida Rodrigues and her brothers Miguel and  Álvaro Rodrigues.

Francisco de Fraga lived in Flores and was married to Lucrécia Privado.

José de Fraga and his wife Isabel de Freitas lived in Fajã Grande, Flores,
circa 1750.

Isabel de Fraga was born about 1690 and died in Matriz-Horta on 6 Sep 1762;
She married  Manuel Luís who was born in Flamengos and died in Matriz on 9
Oct 1757.

John Miranda Raposo

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madruga family

[Jason Fraga]

Please forgive me for hijacking this thread… I’ve just “returned to the
living” after getting out of bed for the first time since last Friday with
the dreaded H1N1.  This message was the first thing that I saw when opening
up email.  It’s also the first time I’ve seen mention of Genealogias das
Quatro Ilhas being used for research since it became available at the end of
the summer.  

 

I’ve not been fortunate enough to be in a position to purchase the set.  Is
there any similar info (to what is below for the Madruga family) for the
Fraga family?  My Fraga’s are from Corvo, and I’ve seen many that are from
Flores as well.  I’ve long suspected a common link somewhere way down the
line, and that Fraga’s on both islands share a common ancestor way back.  I
was curious if anyone had the volumes and could take a peek.  It would be
greatly appreciated!

 

Jay Fraga

Massachusetts

 

 

 

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From: marra...@cs.com [mailto:marra...@cs.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:24 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madruga family

 

In a message dated 11/11/2009 1:07:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
vchris1...@yahoo.com writes: 



Hello Maggie,
  
I was told my Becky Madruga that all the Madruga's are related.  I have
relatives here in San Diego but have not yet done that line.  I know Becky
has done her line back to 1700's. Manoel Goularte Gracia Madruga born about
1700 in Sao Matheus, Pico, Acores is Generation 1.  From there it goes to
Generation 7 and lots of names.  I can contact Becky Madruga and give her
your email address if you would like more information on that line. Let me
know. Vivian


All of the Madrugas descend from André Gonçalves Madruga, the elder, born in
Faial (see Maldonado, Fénix Angrence, Parte Genealógica, p.201) and died in
Angra (Sé) on 15-11-1558 (Idem.) Frutuoso says he lived between S. Mateus
and Negrito. He married Isabel Dias Rodovalho, daughter of Diogo Vaz
Rodovalho, who lived in Viana do Alentejo and died between 1512 and 1523 and
Maria Esteves Cansado, who died between 1523 and 1527. See also Genealogias
da Ilha Terceira: (Rodovalho: §1 Nº5, (Forjaz and Mendes,
Dislivro-Histórica, Lisbon: 2007)

The above is from Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas: Faial, Pico, Flores, Corvo,
Jorge Forjaz and António Ornelas Mendes, Dislivro-Histórica, Lisbon: 2009.  

I hope this helps.

John Miranda Raposo

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Return permit

[Jason Fraga]

Hi Calvena-

 

Not sure?  I do have relatives in the Antioch area.  I only became aware of
them in the past year, so Siskiyou is certainly a possibility.

 

Jay

 

 

 

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From: calvena ainsworth [mailto:tahoet...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 8:02 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Return permit

 

Hi Jason...Are you by any chance related to the Fragas that settled in
Siskiyou county CA?  Marek


Calvena Ainsworth
 



 
> From: jay_fr...@applimetrix.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Return permit
> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:48:33 -0400
> 
> 
> I got lucky on this one- it was in a handful of family papers that were 
> passed to me last summer. I've not been able to find a copy of it anywhere

> else, which makes me glad that somebody hung onto it!
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: ""E" Sharp" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 2:34 PM
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Return permit
> 
> 
> 
> Jay,
> 
> Thanks for the reply. It is really cool to see the actual document,
> which included a picture, also. Did you send for this or were you one
> of the lucky ones whose family kept these papers?
> 
> "E"
> 
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Jason Fraga 
> wrote:
> > I believe that the attached document is a "predecessor" to the one you 
> > guys
> > are talking about. This was issued to my Great Great Grandfather in 
> > 1922...
> > two years before a Reentry permit was created...
> >
> > Jay Fraga
> 
> 
> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Return permit

[Jason Fraga]

I got lucky on this one-  it was in a handful of family papers that were 
passed to me last summer.  I've not been able to find a copy of it anywhere 
else, which makes me glad that somebody hung onto it!

Jay



- Original Message - 
From: ""E" Sharp" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 2:34 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Return permit



Jay,

Thanks for the reply.  It is really cool to see the actual document,
which included a picture, also.  Did you send for this or were you one
of the lucky ones whose family kept these papers?

"E"

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Jason Fraga 
wrote:
> I believe that the attached document is a "predecessor" to the one you 
> guys
> are talking about. This was issued to my Great Great Grandfather in 
> 1922...
> two years before a Reentry permit was created...
>
> Jay Fraga



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Anglicization of name: Custodio

[Jason Fraga]

Ben, I'm not sure there is one.  I know Custodio's here in the Northeast, and 
they've not changed the name.

Jay Fraga


  - Original Message - 
  From: Benjamin George 
  To: Azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 2:36 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Anglicization of name: Custodio


  All,

  What is the anglicized version of the name Custodio?  

  Thanks,

  Ben

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRUM in Fayal, azores

[Jason Fraga]

Carmen,

My Great Great Grandfather was Joseph (I'm assuming Jose) Sylveira Brown, born 
October 1860 somewhere in the Azores.  I don't know which island, and I've not 
seen anything but the anglocized version of his name.  He married my GG 
Grandmother, Serafina Thomas (b-31 Jan 1867 Corvo, d-18 November 1935 New 
Bedford) and they lived in New Bedford.

I'm assuming his last name has to be Brum, but I'm kind of stumped on where 
exactly he was at before he showed up in New Bedford.  Censuses list his 
immigration year around 1878, but I've never seen a manifest with him on it. 

Jay




  - Original Message - 
  From: carmen furtado 
  To: bellema...@gmail.com 
  Cc: Azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 2:45 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRUM in Fayal, azores


  "E"

  I found the manifest you are mentioning.

  I found John (Joao) living in Plymouth, Massachusetts on the 1900 and 1910 
censuses.  I find his two youngest children living with Joseph S. Luis and Mary 
Luis in Hanford, Kings, California on the 1920 census.  I think Mary is John's 
sister.

  I found that John's wife Priscilla died in childbirth on June 27, 1913 in 
Plymouth, Massachusetts.

  I can not understand why the manifest would have California and not 
Massachusetts on it.

  It looks as if he went to get Maria Pinheiro to bring her to California.

  Evidently he does have a California connection.

  Just found a Joao S Brown arriving in Boston on April 25, 1890 on the Sarah 
going to California.

  Do you think these two Joao's are one and the same? 

  Anybody have any Brum ancestors?

  Thankjs.

  Carmen

 




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  From: "bellema...@gmail.com" 
  To: Azores@googlegroups.com; carmen furtado 
  Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 1:38:59 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRUM in Fayal, azores

  Carmen, 

  I found a Joao S. Brum 41, under Nationality, it says U. S. A., sailing on 
the S. S. Cretic from Sao Miguel March 25, 1913, last permanent residence Pedro 
Miguel, Faial, , going to San Jose CA. It says his Certificate was taken in 
Monterey County, CA. What is strange it says he was born in Sao Miguel, but 
where it lists city or town, there is just a line there. The person next to him 
on the list is a Maria Pinheiro leaving her aunt Francisca Delfina,Pedro Miguel 
was bon in Pedro Miguel?? It think he went back and forth more than once. Will 
keep looking if you think this is him. 

  "E"

  

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Alfred & Amelia Viera Brooklyn New York

[Jason Fraga]

Steven, I'm good friends with some Benedetti's here in Massachusetts, and 
they are most definitely Italian, as is the name.


- Original Message - 
From: "Steven McNamara" 
To: "Azores Genealogy" 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 12:09 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alfred & Amelia Viera Brooklyn New York



I have found my long lost Great Grandparents-in-law.  I was able to
find the death record for Alfred Viera 8 June 1945 84 Roebling St.
Brooklyn NY.

Living in NYC for 17 years.  (I still can't find him on Ancestry for
the 1930 census)  Only 2 years at above address.  He was a retired
Mason.

Born 13 Nov. 1872 Fayal Portugal (still can't find that freguesia) :
(  His wife was Amelia A. (Silva) Viera.  The informant was his son in
law Joseph V. Paiva. The are buried at St. Johns cemetary in
Brooklyn.

It lists his parents on his death certificate as Joseph Viera and
Louisa Benedetti.  Has anyone ever heard of Bendetti as a last name?
Is this a Portuguese name?  It sounds more Italian to me.

It stated he had no SSN.  Does this mean he never became a citizen?

I did find a notice of his death on the Daira website with UMass.

Thanks for any information or suggestions are further searching.

Steven



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I could really use translation help on this one-

[Jason Fraga]

Outstanding.  I very much appreciate the help!  And thank you (all) also for 
the messages commentary on spouses that don't seem to last very long after the 
first one passes away.

Jay Fraga



  - Original Message - 
  From: Margaret Vicente 
  To: Azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:00 AM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I could really use translation help on this 
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  Hi Group, 

  The "BRAGA" was a ship...the letter was received in the mailbag carried by 
the ship.  The Braga belonged to the Fabre Line and lef NY for the Azores .

  Particular means "special" or "private" 
  Mala can be a bag or suitcase/briefcase or purse of any size.

  Cheers.


  On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:03 PM, IGGY1110  wrote:


I tried retyping it and used google translate. I'm sure someone who
knows Portuguese will eventually come solve the mystery but this is what
I got. I don't know if it's better or worse than yours:

By letter received by the particular bag of "Braga," known to have died
on the 8th of April on the island of Corvo, the sr. Braz Jicinto of
Fraga, pae of Mrs. Julia Maria Rita, wife of sr. José Coelho Rita of
Mrs. Clara MacDonald, Mrs. Anna Luiz Manuel Fraga and the city and srs.
And Jose Antonio Fraga, residents in the state California.
The extineto was quite elderly, and, death caused much grief to all the
inhabitants of that island, which was very estiniado.
All the bereaved families felt condolences sent.


Jason Fraga wrote:
> The attached picture is an obituary notice for my Great, Great
> Grandfather Braz de Fraga.  His death is a mystery for me, but he died
> a week or less after my Great Great Grandmother, which I always
> thought was weird.
>
> I just found this in the online archives of Diario de Noticias (which
> has been amazing, by the way).  I did run it through Babelfish, but
> that didn't quite work out.
>
> Any help would be appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jay Fraga
> Massachusetts
>
>
>
> >
>
> 
>




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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I could really use translation help on this one-

[Jason Fraga]

Thanks Kathy!  There was something in the beginning of the obit that mentioned 
"Braga", or what I thought looked like "Bullet of Braga".  I couldn't quite 
figure that out.  The rest looks perfect- nice job!

Thanks,

Jay


  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Cardoza 
  To: Azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:15 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I could really use translation help on this 
one-


  I'll take a stab at it .. 


  Known, by letter received, to have died on the 8th day of April on the island 
of Corvo, Mr. Braz Jacinto de Fraga, father of Mrs. Julia Maria Rita, wife of 
sr. Jose Coelho Rita, of Mrs. Clara MacDonald, Mrs. Anna Luiz and Manuel Fraga 
of the city and srs. Jose and Antonio Fraga, residents in the state of 
California.


  The deceased was quite old and his death caused much grief to all the 
inhabitants of that island, where he was highly esteemed.


  Any condolences to be sent to the bereaved families .


  I think that is a pretty decent translation. Maybe someone who knows better 
can be more precise?


  Hope it helps!


  Kathy
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  On Jun 25, 2009, at 8:34 AM, Jason Fraga wrote:


The attached picture is an obituary notice for my Great, Great Grandfather 
Braz de Fraga.  His death is a mystery for me, but he died a week or less after 
my Great Great Grandmother, which I always thought was weird.

I just found this in the online archives of Diario de Noticias (which has 
been amazing, by the way).  I did run it through Babelfish, but that didn't 
quite work out.

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts









  

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jacintho/Tarves/Teves

[Jason Fraga]

I'm inclined to agree on what it says, but I didn't want to influence you 
before you came up with something!


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  From: bellema...@gmail.com 
  To: azores 
  Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:51 AM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jacintho/Tarves/Teves


  Jay, 

  Thanks for th reply. With you info, I believe the concelho says Ponta Delg. 
ie Ponta Delgada. Hopefully, I will get more proficient at reading these. 

  "E"
  

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: First name Serafina - anyone aware of nicknames?

[Jason Fraga]

I appreciate all of the responses!  I guess I'll just roll with it and see 
if anything turns up at some point.

Jay



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From: "PatGirard" 
To: "Azores Genealogy" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:10 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: First name Serafina - anyone aware of 
nicknames?



My Grandmother's sister was named Serafina. But her English name was
Sarah, we called her Tia Sara. Hope this helps

Pat




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[AZORES-Genealogy] First name Serafina - anyone aware of nicknames?

[Jason Fraga]

My Great Great Grandmother was Serafina Thomas, born Feb 1867 in Corvo.  Her 
formal name on all documents that I have shows up as "Serafina", but I noticed 
that in the Portuguese-speaking newspaper article (Diario de Noticias- New 
Bedford) that listed her obituary, they had her name as "Luiza".  

I'm 100% sure that I'm not looking at a different person (ie: a step GG 
Grandmother, etc) and everyone who might know what the story was is long gone.  
Is anyone aware of the interchangeability of those two names?  I'm stumped.

Best regards,

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Salgadinho family

[Jason Fraga]

Mara, the only ship's manifest that I've been able to find after a quick 
search with the name "Salgadinho" on it at all lists Manuel Salgadinho as a 
reference for his sister, Maria A Machado, 29, who left Sao Miguel and 
arrived in Boston 28 Apr 1920 on the Canopic.

The town listed next to both of them is "Cabouco", which is just North of 
Lagoa, on the South Coast of the island.

Hope this helps,

Jay Fraga





- Original Message - 
From: "Mara" 
To: "Azores Genealogy" 
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:33 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Salgadinho family



Anyone with information on a  family surname Salgadinho?  I'm trying
to trace its origins in the island of Sao Miguel.  My father told us
my gg father moved to Ponta Delgada from Agua Retorta in Sao Miguel.

Thank you.




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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Salgadinho family

[Jason Fraga]

No, but that's an interesting name!  Perhaps from Salga, on the Northeast 
(Nordeste) coast of the island?  I have a LOT of family from that area: 
Pacheco's, Correia's, Souza's, and Arruda's.

I'll do some poking around on the name

Jay



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From: "Mara" 
To: "Azores Genealogy" 
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:33 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Salgadinho family



Anyone with information on a  family surname Salgadinho?  I'm trying
to trace its origins in the island of Sao Miguel.  My father told us
my gg father moved to Ponta Delgada from Agua Retorta in Sao Miguel.

Thank you.




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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Advice - Information on Immigration From Azores to...

[Jason Fraga]

The Vineyard is an island as well!  No matter-  stories can change a bit over 
the years.  


  - Original Message - 
  From: nancy jean baptiste 
  To: azores group 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:14 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Advice - Information on Immigration From 
Azores to...


  OOPS, I remember from reading about the sinking of the whale ship "Essex" 
that Nantucket was an island! I guess I just think all my ancestors could "walk 
on water"!
   
  Well, maybe she said Marthas Vinyard
   This story came from my 80 year old Mom about her grandfather.I wonder 
where he really did walk from?
   
  Nancy

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  From: jay_fr...@applimetrix.com
  To: Azores@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Advice - Information on Immigration From 
Azores to...
  Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:45:30 -0400



  I got a chuckle out of this!  SFSmith is correct- Nantucket is 30 miles off 
the coast of Massachusetts.  That'd be quite a walk (swim).

  For what it's worth, I do believe that Nantucket has an extensive Azorean 
info center in their library.  Nantucket and New Bedford were instrumental in 
the Yankee Whaling Industry at its' height.  

  Jay Fraga
  Massachusetts




- Original Message - 
From: ssmith9...@aol.com 
To: Azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:33 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Advice - Information on Immigration From 
Azores to...


There is no way anyone could walk from Nantucket to New Bedford.  Nantucket 
is an island in the middle of the ocean.  He must have taken some kind of boat.

SFSmith



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Advice - Information on Immigration From Azores to...

[Jason Fraga]

I got a chuckle out of this!  SFSmith is correct- Nantucket is 30 miles off the 
coast of Massachusetts.  That'd be quite a walk (swim).

For what it's worth, I do believe that Nantucket has an extensive Azorean info 
center in their library.  Nantucket and New Bedford were instrumental in the 
Yankee Whaling Industry at its' height.  

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts




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  To: Azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:33 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Advice - Information on Immigration From 
Azores to...


  There is no way anyone could walk from Nantucket to New Bedford.  Nantucket 
is an island in the middle of the ocean.  He must have taken some kind of boat.

  SFSmith


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Roots in the Azores - Facebook Group

[Jason Fraga]

I'm in the "might as well" camp.  I use Facebook quite a bit, and it 
certainly is a very dynamic way to interact.



- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:19 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Roots in the Azores - Facebook Group



OK, I will admit my lack of Facebook knowledge.  Why does one need
Facebook when we have the Azores googlegroup?  Does it serve another
purpose?

"E"



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Comment on The book, AZores, Nine Islands, One History

[Jason Fraga]

+1 to what Eugenia and Guida said.  I know that my Pacheco family from Salga, 
in the Nordeste of Sao Miguel, at the very least, was essentially very poor and 
starving when they came here around 1909ish.  My father told me that he 
remembers my great grandfather filling trunks with medicine, blankets, etc as 
late as the mid 1960's and routinely sending them back to the island

Jay Fraga



  - Original Message - 
  From: Guida Leicester 
  To: Azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:58 AM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Comment on The book, AZores, Nine Islands, 
One History


How it is today on the Azores and how it was in the 1800s, are two very 
different stories.  I think the poverty and hunger was very bad. Portugal taxed 
the Azores highly, conscripted the young men into the military, and did not 
really support the Islands--just used them

It was, I imagine, more of a nightmare than a good dream.  Plus with 
the huge families crowded into small homes, wanderlust was big (I would have 
felt like, "Get me out of here!").  I bet cabin fever hit the young hard.  
Being on a small island can feel very claustropobic, no matter how beautiful 
the place--'let's go see the world and find more opportunity!'

That's my 2.5 cents worth, at least...
Guida

--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Mary Bordi  wrote:


  From: Mary Bordi 
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: The book, AZores, Nine Islands, One 
History
  To: Azores@googlegroups.com
  Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 9:01 PM




  On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:37 PM, celeste perry wrote:


Maybe it is just seeing what has happened here in the US that makes 
me think a young person might entertain the notion that living somewhere else 
might be the way to go. Older people that have lost their retirement might also 
be thinking the same thing.


  My daughter moved to Australia (from California). She has been able 
to purchase a home, has always had work. She did not see how she could purchase 
a home in California and figured if she was going to move far enough away that 
she'd need to get on a plane to come home she might as well go to Australia. At 
least they speak English.


  She is very happy there. (She is in Queensland, not Victoria where 
the devastating fires are.)


  I can see why our ancestors moved if the opportunity arose.


  Mary Bordi


   


  

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Providence, RI cemeteries...

[Jason Fraga]

Sam, do you have any of the lineage for Jose Manuel Fraga?  The highest
concentration of Azorean Fraga's seems to have been Flores, Corvo, and
Terceira (in that order).  Mine are all from Corvo- until 1610 at least.
Before that, they came over to Corvo from Flores.

Jay Fraga
Massachusetts

-Original Message-
From: EMIL [mailto:esilve...@cox.net] 
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 4:07 PM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: Sam Koester
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Providence, RI cemeteries...


Hi Sam and Pat,

Just as a point of interest Al "Butch' Rose is a 9th cousin of yours  Pat
and Also my 8th cousin once removed. So it seems that you Sam would also be
our Cousin.

Emil



 Sam Koester  wrote: 

=

Hi Pat;  I'm afraid I was just haystack searching.  My ggrandmother was Ana
Amelia (not sure if it was spelled with an A or an E) Silva married to Jose
Manuel Fraga.  They lived in East Providence and my cousin, Al Rose and I
have never found which island either of them were from.

Thanks for the reply and good luch in your search.

Sam in CA :-)



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Off Topic -- Culture help needed!

[Jason Fraga]

I always understood the Capote to be traditional Flemish (Belgian) dress. 
When the Azores were populated, that was one of the items the came along 
from the mainland and took on new life in the Islands.





- Original Message - 
From: "Susan Vargas Murphy" 
To: "Azores Genealogy" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 2:09 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Off Topic -- Culture help needed!



Hello Jenn,

One distinctive thing about women's dress in Faial is the
"capote"...from what I have read they were used until maybe 1930 and
Kathy Cardoza has a picture of that traditional costume taken in 1910

 http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/Faial/faial_photos2.html

Here is something that I saved that was posted by Cheryl Sabastiao
Watts in 2004

Joyce, The Capote in Terceira, Graciosa and Sao Jorge was called a
Manto.
The style came from Portugal.
The cloak was often a gift from ones Godparents to a girl when she
got
married and she kept it all of her life.
I guess  this would cover the users face and whole body and no one
would be
able to see a pretty face so other men would not be tempted to make
eye
contact just my opinion seeing she was already spoken for.
There were different styles on other islands and also navy blue in
color.
Boy I could sure use one on my bad hair days LOL

Cheryl Sebastiao Watts
- Original Message -
From: "Joyce House" To: 
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 10:44 AM
Subject: [AZORES] Capote e capello


> Does anyone know any history about the cloak and hood women used to wear
> on the Azore Islands during the 19th century up until around 1930.
>
> Also did all of the islands wear this garment?
>
> Joyce Bothello House

Back to me...I know it is associated with Faial especiallymaybe
others here would know exactly.

Also, Jennwhere is your Vargas family from on Faial?? Most of my
Vargas ancestry (and I have the surname on both sides as my maternal
grandmother was also a Vargas) is from the village of Castelo
Branco, Faial.
I also noted your "Plante" surnamemy husband has that on a French
Canadian line of his:)

Susan Vargas Murphy
Sacramento, CA

On Jan 26, 9:22�pm, "trailrunner...@gmail.com"
 wrote:
> Hi everyone, my name is Jenn Vargas and I've been with this group for
> about a year now, but I don't post much. �I need some help with some
> cultural information on the Azores. �I'm working on a class project
> (I'm a nutrition major) and it is creating a menu for 1 day. �The
> ethnicity I chose is Azorean since that's my background. �I need to
> promote it as well as make the menu. �I was wondering if anyone here
> could help me with a few things... I am interested in traditional
> Azorean clothing, especially for women, and traditional music and
> dance, especially from Faial. �I know this isn't genealogy, so feel
> free to email me off list at trailrunner...@gmail.com. �Thank you very
> much, this is greatly appreciated! :-)
>
> ~Jenn
>
> Researching: (from Faial) Vargas, Dutra-Dacosta, Medeiros, Ferreira,
> Augusta, and Mendes.
> �(from France) Ouellet/te, Plante


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: How to spell a portuguese surname

[Jason Fraga]

My Pavao family was known as Piva, Paiva, and Pavao here in the US.  

 

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From: Guida Leicester [mailto:chandler...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:33 PM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: How to spell a portuguese surname

 


Paiva maybe?

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Vivian Christy  wrote:


From: Vivian Christy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: How to spell a portuguese surname
To: "Azores Genealogy" 
Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 8:18 PM


Hello All,

 

I have a relative who's name I wrote down as:  Mary Pavo.  I spelled it the
way it sounded but now I am trying to find it in the records and am not sure
if the spelling is correct.  Can someone tell me if this is the correct
spelling for that name?  Thank you and any help is appreciated.  

 

Vivian (Silva) Christy









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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1800's Azores immigration and my Gregario/Gregorio relatives

[Jason Fraga]

Kathy, I think you'll find this link very informative in your search for why 
so many people left.

http://www.portugueseancestry.com/genealogy/html/azoreans.cfm




- Original Message - 
From: "Kathy" 
To: "Azores Genealogy" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:32 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1800's Azores immigration and my 
Gregario/Gregorio relatives



Am a little bit of a newer researcher in this link in my families
past, and am curious about something.  Why was there seemingly so much
Portuguese immigration in the 1800's?  I've seen a number of posts
from people regarding their ancestors coming from the Azores during
the 1800's, and one of my ancestors is included in that number.

His name was Joao Gregario(Gregorio) and from the tales that were
passed down he was a fisherman.  He had 2 known children at this
point:  Mary Augusta Fisher (my ancestor, she adopted this name
because her father was a fisherman) and Manuel Gregorio.  He was said
to have been born in the Azores, Flores.  He married Maria de Jesus
Salvador, sometime around the 1850's perhaps in Boston, MA.  His son
Manuel was born Aug 21 1883, in Boston, Massachusetts and daughter
Mary was born sometime around 1876 also in Boston, so his immigration
would have been sometime before 1876.

The information given to me regarding this families background is very
limited at this point, but what happened in the Azores that it would
seem so many left in the 1800's?

Would love to learn more about the history, so maybe I can learn more
about the reasons behind them coming over during this time period.

Thanks,
Kathy



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sad news in New England this morning: New Bedford Dragger Missing

[Jason Fraga]

The 71 foot New Bedford dragger "Costa and Corvo" went to the bottom 100 miles 
East of Cape Cod in the wee hours of this morning, presumably with it's 
Captain.  They haven't announced any names yet (and out of respect for the 
families I won't mention them), but this has generally been a boat with an 
all-Portuguese crew and an Azorean Captain.  Three crew members were able to be 
rescued by another fishing boat, and that's certainly a blessing.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2008/11/13/uscg_searches_for_fisherman_off_mass_coast/

This isn't the first time that vessel has been in the news- ten years ago she 
was dragging off Nantucket and accidentally found the wreck of the Atlantis.  
The Atlantis went to the bottom a year earlier taking its' Portuguese crew of 5 
with her and leaving no trace.

In terms of relevance to Azorean Genealogy, I think this reminds us that 
Americans of Azorean descent still ply the same waters that our ancestors once 
did, and still risk their lives daily to feed their families (and ours).  Vá 
com Deus.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Linguicia

[Jason Fraga]

In that vein, another outstanding outfit for Linguica and Chourico is Gaspar's 
out of the New Bedford, MA area.  All of our larger grocery stores here in 
Western Mass stock their stuff, and it's outstanding.  They ship worldwide as 
far as I know.

http://www.gasparssausage.com/




  - Original Message - 
  From: susan lucas 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 4:43 AM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Linguicia


  For those of us who are sausage making challenged I would suggest 
www.silvasausage.com . They provide a list of where their products are sold and 
it says if you call they will ship. I am lucky enough that my local grocer 
carries their linguica. So, if you are ever near San Martin stop at Rocca's 
Market, they have an old fashioned butcher counter in there.
   
  Susan 





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  Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:55:29 -0800
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Azores@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Linguicia



  Hello Charlene,

  As Elaine stated you can google to find several recipes for Linguica. The 
Portuguese Hawaiian style and a variety from various regions of Portugal. I 
personally didn't like the Hawaiian version. Here are three I just found, one 
from northeast Portugal. Costco in San Marcos, CA was selling the Silva's brand 
until recently and I guess it wasn't a big seller for them. I tried promoting 
it everytime I was in there (LOL) hoping they wouldn't stop selling it but they 
did and now I'm almost out. Going to have to try them myself.

  My aunt just passed away and I am the one going through all her things. My 
grandfather was a chef as was several other Portuguese relatives so I'm hoping 
to find some of our Portuguese family recipes. I remember her telling me she 
had one for linguica. Anyway, for now hopefully the following will help.

  Michelle

  This one is from Montanhas:

  INGREDIENTS 
  2 pounds boneless pork 
  1/8 teaspoon cinnamon 
  1 tablespoon vinegar
  1 teaspoon salt 
  4 garlic cloves, mashed 
  1/4 teaspoon pepper 
  1/8 teaspoon cumin 
  1 teaspoon paprika 
   
  Trim excess fat from meat. Chop meat into 1/4 inch cubes. Set aside.
  Combine vinegar, garlic, cumin, cinnamon, salt, pepper and paprika in a large 
bowl. Add 2-1/2 cups water and mix thoroughly.

  Add meat, cover and refrigerate 2 days, stirring occasionally to blend 
flavors. 

  Drain liquid from meat and squeeze meat in dry towel to remove as much 
moisture as possible.

  Fry meat mixture in ungreased fry pan 8 minutes until lightly browned and 
crumbly. May be stuffed in clean casing for sausage or used in bulk.
   
  Homemade Linguica 
  Emeril Lagasse, 2001

  2 1/2 pounds pork butt, cut into 1/2-inch pieces 
  1 tablespoon minced garlic
  1 tablespoon salt
  2 tablespoons paprika
  1 teaspoon freshly ground white pepper
  1 teaspoon dried oregano or marjoram
  3/4 teaspoon sugar
  1/2 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper
  1/2 teaspoon crushed red pepper
  1 tablespoon red wine or apple cider vinegar
  1 teaspoon vegetable oil

  Combine the pork, garlic, salt, paprika, white pepper, oregano, sugar, black 
pepper and red pepper in a large bowl and mix well. Pass through a food grinder 
fitted with a coarse die. (Alternately, transfer in 2 batches to a food 
processor and process until finely ground.) Transfer to a large bowl, cover 
tightly with plastic wrap, and refrigerate overnight. Add the vinegar to the 
meat and stir well to combine. 

  To test the seasoning, heat the oil in a small skillet, and cook about 2 
teaspoons of the mixture. Adjust seasoning, to taste.

  Form the meat into patties. 

  Preheat a home smoker to 250 degrees F. Smoke the sausage for 1 1/2 hours. 
Remove from the smoker and use as desired.
   
  Portuguese tapas bar in San Francisco, near Fisherman's Wharf, in 1979

  It differs considerably from traditional linguica in that it calls for sherry 
(a Spanish wine) rather than vinegar, and its only spices are salt and paprika. 
The mix should be very coarsely-ground. We use a 3/4" plate on our grinder. As 
for the sherry, avoid cheap cooking brands. We favor Harvey's Bristol Cream, 
which is rich, sweet and full-bodied, but you can experiment with other types, 
although dry sherries give the sausage an unpleasant, flat taste. Or try a good 
Port, which will, at least, be Portuguese. Stuff into hog casings. When made 
with Harvey's Bristol Cream, the taste is unique and absolutely unforgettable.

  • Ground pork: 1 lb.
  • Coarse salt: 1/2 teaspoon
  • Dark sherry: 2 ounces
  • Paprika 1-1/8 tablespoon

   
  On 11/2/08, Charlene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

For some reason, I did not get the recipe even though I followed up
with an email. Things happen, good intentions get sidelined. Who
knows?

But I still need the recipe. So if anyone else has a linguicia recipe,
I would sure appreciate it! Out of over 400 lis

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TV star descendancy

[Jason Fraga]

MLB has quite a few Portuguese playing-  Dustin Pedroia of the Red Sox,
Jonny Gomes of the Tampa Bay Rays, and Mark Teixeira of the Angels are a few
that come to mind

Ex-Red Sox pitcher Brian Rose also- he's my cousin.







- Original Message - 
From: "Thomas da/de Costa Vasconcelos Rodrigues Gouveia Oliveira Cabral"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Azores Genealogy" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:02 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TV star descendancy



Not to mention that Shane Victorino of the Phillies (and my 6th
cousin) is also of Portuguese descent.

On Oct 21, 3:07 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've only heard Portuguese. I have never heard it stated as otherwise.
>
> Denise D'Antona
>
> In a message dated 10/21/2008 5:10:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> Brooke Burke on "Dancing with the Stars" ancestry is listed online as
> French/Irish paternal and Portuguese/Irish maternal. Is anyone aware of
> her
> Portuguese heritage? She was born in Hartford CT.
>
> "E"
>
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>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vavo ???

[Jason Fraga]

If we’re talking strictly pronunciation, I too, grew up calling my
Grandfather “Va-voo” and my Grandmother “Vaw-Vaw”.  Their family was from
Sao Miguel.

 

Jay Fraga

 

 

 

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From: Linda Norton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:41 PM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vavo ???

 

So spelling and pronouncing is different, correct? Can you spell how it
should sound for us. Also defining is different than what they were called.
Or did you call your grandmother or grandfather Avo? I always heard Avo when
they were talking about him or her or relating to them never when they would
called them by that name.

 

Linda

 

 

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From: Azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Carlos Lopes
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:23 PM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vavo ???

 

If you permit I will clarify this confusion about “vaw and vaw.”. Actually,
these words, shown here, are not spelled correctly, nor do they exist in
Portuguese. The right words to define grandfather and grandmother are: Avô,
for grandfather and Avó for grandmother. I may also mention that, at times,
some people interchangeably use the words Vavô for grandfather and Vavó for
grandmother.

Regards,

Carlos Lopes

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From: Azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Maggie Sutton
Sent: domingo, 26 de Outubro de 2008 14:54
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vavo ???

 

Sao Jorge also..  VawVaw ( just how it sounds, not accurate spelling, accent
on the second syllable).  In order to differentiate my two grandmothers, one
was very tiny so she was loving called "Little Vaw" - and no, we did not
call the other one "Big".  

My grandfather was Va-voo (just a sounding out).

 

Maggie

- Original Message - 

From: Sam Koester   

To: Azores@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:57 AM

Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vavo ???

 

John;  If it’s an “island thing” then it must cover Flores, Santa Maria and
Faial.  My Cordeiro, Soares, Coelho, Tavares do Rego line is from Santa
Maria and my Catherina Faria line is from Fayal.  I was taught to call both
maternal and paternal grandmothers, Vaw Vaw.  Go figure.  Sam :-)

 

From: Azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 9:41 PM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vavo ???

 

My parents were from Flores so it's possible it's an island thing.  At least
Sammy agrees with me.
John

-Original Message-
From: Linda Norton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 1:26 pm
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vavo ???

I just know I’m first generation here and my parents had taught my brother
and I to call my grandmother Vavo, one grandfather had passed away and the
other was in the old country and then passed when I was nine so I never had
to use Vavu. My cousins on the other hand who were first generation here as
well always called their grandparents Vavo and Vavu. As far as Avo or Avu, I
always thought it was used as the first person like; mia avo or mia avu.

 

I am spelling this the way it’s pronounced in English and not sure it’s
correctly spelled in Portuguese.

 

Could it be the different islands or the mainland that have different
dialects on it? I’ve found that different cities on just one island like Sao
Miguel had different pronunciations on words. My parents use to tell me that
Rabo de Peixe had a very sloppy dialect and that you could actually listen
to people and know exactly what city they were from. I can understand
everything, at least I thought until I heard someone from Lisboa, it was
harder for me to understand them.

 

Linda

 

 


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From:   Azores@googlegroups.com [
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 3:18 PM
To:   Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vavo ???

 

Vavo??  I am a little puzzled about how this term of endearment for
"grandmother" came into useage. My parents were both born in the Azores.
When refering to my grandmothers (who incidently, I never had the
opportunity to meet), the term they used was "Vaw Vaw"   derived from "A
Vaw" (the phonetic pronuciation) of the portuguese word for grandmother. Can
anyone enlighten me?

Incidently, my sister's grandchildren have come up with their own term of
endearment for her. They call her "Vaw Vee".
at the risk of further confusion, I think I'll stop there.
John Vasconcelos

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To:   Azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 9:33 am
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vavo

Laura,
What a hear

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TV star descendancy

[Jason Fraga]

I've seen her refer to herself as of Portuguese descent in the past  No 
info on specifics though..





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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: azores 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 4:26 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] TV star descendancy


  Brooke Burke on "Dancing with the Stars" ancestry is listed online as 
French/Irish paternal and Portuguese/Irish maternal. Is anyone aware of her 
Portuguese heritage? She was born in Hartford CT. 

  "E"
  

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Victorino

[Jason Fraga]

Guida, I'm fortunate to have one Grandmother still alive.  She's 82, and was 
born here in the US, but my Great Grandfather (her Dad) was born in Sao Miguel 
and came over as a youngster.  He always went back and forth throughout his 
adult life. 

I've talked to her quite a bit about the genealogy thing over the last two 
years since I got interested in it.  One day I was asking her what the deal was 
with two first cousins marrying each other in our family (I'm descended from 
them), and she responded with something my Great Grandfather told her:  "You 
never knew what the hell was going on in the Old Country, and you didn't ask- 
but there was always something going on".  

Another Great Grandfather of mine on my Mother's side would routinely disappear 
unannounced and it caused my Mom's Mom, her Mother, and her sisters tremendous 
hardship.  With this guy, I don't think the wanderlust ever went away- even 
when he made it to the US from Sao Miguel.  In what should have been an omen, 
he and my Great Grandmother were due to be married in New Bedford, and he 
"vanished" the night before.  Four years later he turned up claiming that he 
was walking past a bar down by the docks and was shanghaied (whacked over the 
head, knocked out, and woke up on a whaling ship).  He definitely ended up on a 
whaling ship, but my suspicion is that he willingly signed on.  

He would take off for a few years at a time for the rest of his life.  My 
Mother is convinced that he had kids everywhere that weren't with my Great 
Grandmother.  I know that some of my Grandmother's sisters never forgave him.  

Jay Fraga






  - Original Message - 
  From: Guida Leicester 
  To: Azores@googlegroups.com 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:23 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Victorino


Loretta,
The human interest element of our Island ancestors intrigues me more 
and more as I watch the posts go up with all the pai incognitos.  The lines and 
pedigrees on paper can get very confusing, but the multi-dimensional humans 
behind the lineage is what I want to learn more about.  

What motivated/drove these folks?  Hard work, no education, little 
support from the mainland government, boredon, island fever, boredom, what 
else/que mais?

Anecdotal stories/family legends like yours are what I want to 
hear/learn more from everyone.  Please forward me your family legends to : 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Obrigada, everyone!
Guida

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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Victorino
  To: Azores@googlegroups.com
  Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 9:18 AM


  Hi 
  Victorino is the middle name for my grandfather and uncles. My 
greatgrand mother came from Sao Jorge, she was never married and the rumor goes 
she had affairs wiith the man who lived on the hill across the road. On my 
uncles death cert someone gave the name Carreria. All were incognito.

  Loretta Aguiar Valdez


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Furtado family from Pedreira, Nordeste

[Jason Fraga]

Awfully sorry- I sent the wrong link.  Here's the one I was thinking of, but 
it doesn't have much more info than you already passed along:

http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/person.aspx?tid=1214324&pid=-1322017769




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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:04 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Furtado family from Pedreira, Nordeste


>
> Jude, I've come across them a million times in my search for my Pacheco's.
> That family is fairly well documented on Ancestry.com.
>
> This ought to be the motherload information-wise if we're talking about 
> the
> same people:
>
> http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/person.aspx?pid=-1971791188&tid=1214324&ssrc=
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jude 26" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Azores Genealogy" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:31 AM
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado family from Pedreira, Nordeste
>
>
>>
>> Hi everyone,  I am researching my grandmothers family.  Maria do
>> Rosario was born 11 Sept 1893 in Pedreira, Nordeste.  Her parents were
>> Jacintho Furtado and Maria dos Anjos and her grandparents were Manoel
>> Furtado and Jacintha Cabral, and Maria de Faria.  She married Antonio
>> Franco Pacheco from Pedreira on 8 Feb 1912 and came to Providence, RI
>> in 1917 with their 2 yr old son Manuel.  She lived in Warren, RI until
>> 1926 when they moved to Providence.  She died 16 Oct 1941.  She had a
>> brother John (Jacintho?).  I believe he was here also.  No one in the
>> family has any ideas.  I would appreciate any info anyone has.  Thanks
>> Judi
>>
>> >
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Furtado family from Pedreira, Nordeste

[Jason Fraga]

Jude, I've come across them a million times in my search for my Pacheco's. 
That family is fairly well documented on Ancestry.com.

This ought to be the motherload information-wise if we're talking about the 
same people:

http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/person.aspx?pid=-1971791188&tid=1214324&ssrc=





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From: "Jude 26" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Azores Genealogy" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:31 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado family from Pedreira, Nordeste


>
> Hi everyone,  I am researching my grandmothers family.  Maria do
> Rosario was born 11 Sept 1893 in Pedreira, Nordeste.  Her parents were
> Jacintho Furtado and Maria dos Anjos and her grandparents were Manoel
> Furtado and Jacintha Cabral, and Maria de Faria.  She married Antonio
> Franco Pacheco from Pedreira on 8 Feb 1912 and came to Providence, RI
> in 1917 with their 2 yr old son Manuel.  She lived in Warren, RI until
> 1926 when they moved to Providence.  She died 16 Oct 1941.  She had a
> brother John (Jacintho?).  I believe he was here also.  No one in the
> family has any ideas.  I would appreciate any info anyone has.  Thanks
> Judi
>
> > 


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean Customs/ Jewelry

[Jason Fraga]

This was interesting I just found the following here:

http://bestofbahia.talkspot.com/aspx/templates/tuleSunset.aspx?msgid=76099

"The Figa (fee-gah) is a symbol of one of the age-old myths of Africa, this 
clenched-fist good-luck charm came to Brazil with its XVII century slave trade. 
As its memories paled over generations, belief in its powers to increase 
warriors' fertility also faded, but until nowadays it is prized by brazilians 
for luck, prosperity, and protection. Ranging from delicate earrings to 
meter-tall sculptures, Brazil's attractive figa may be carved from wood or 
stone, crafted from plain or precious metals, and even set with gems. The figa 
can be made into jewelry or sculptures (produced from plain wood or precious 
metals and gems), but the figa is now used purely for luck. The figa tradition 
is that to obtain luck from this symbol the figa must be received as a gift. 
They can be found in Bahia today worn as necklace by bahianas to complement 
their wardrobe or mounted in the home of a schoolteacher."
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean Customs/ Jewelry

[Jason Fraga]

Although I'm the third generation born in the US since our family came over (it 
was all of my great grandparents that came from the Azores 100+ years ago, I 
guess old customs and superstitions die hard.  I remember my Mother talking 
about things like the "quebranto" and how you didn't mess around with things 
like that.  My parents don't speak Portuguese, and things like the quebranto 
and the evil eye were still things that they were aware of from the old timers. 
I guess it's not surprising that the jewelery to protect against things like 
that are still around.

Jay






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  From: Theresa Entin 
  To: Azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:29 AM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean Customs/ Jewelry


  Re: Figa

  I have a charm bracelet from the 1930's -1950's of my Jewish mother in laws.  
It has a gold figa on it along with other things, like my father in laws 
faternity pin, and a Jewish star.  

  My Portuguese mother had one in her jewelery box, that I now have.  I 
remember as a child seeing it in her drawer, but was not allowed to touch it.  
It seemed to have some sort of a secretive meaning at that time.Theresa
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Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 11:58 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean Customs/ Jewelry


Hi Sharon,

I was always told the hand was given to children to ward away evil spirits. 
  I have had one since childhood  as do my daughters and grandaughters. The set 
that I have has a star and a moon also. The story goes that most newborns are 
born with their thumb between their first two fingers to  ward   away any 
curses that might befall them. I bought my latest set in Sao Miguel when I 
visited last year although most Ouriversarios (Portuguese jewelry shops) will 
have them. There are several sizes and they are not very expensive. 

   Joanne

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  > 
  > My grandmother, born on Graciosa Island, always wore around her neck a 
  > gold Lady of Fatima holy medal, and a gold replica of a human forearm, 
  > (left hand as I recall) with a fisted hand showing the thumb tucked 
  > between the index and middle fingers. Can any of the Azores listers 
  > tell me what the Portuguese call that amulet? What is the 
  > significance of such an item in the Portuguese culture? Is it unique 
  > to the islanders? 
  > Thanks! 
  > Sharon 
  > 
  > 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 'Genealogias de São Miguel'

[Jason Fraga]

The Salga research so far is brutal. I've pretty much hit a dead end, both
on my Pacheco's and my Correia's!  



-Original Message-
From: mnk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:31 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 'Genealogias de São Miguel'


John,
What other families are in the Volume?  Where is Antao Pacheco from in
S. Miguel?  I would like a few details about what else is in this
book.
I may be interested depending on what is included.

Jay, How's the Salga research going?  Making any progress?
Maria Natalia
On Sep 3, 5:45 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 9/2/2008 8:36:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > I’m awfully interested in some info in the 'Genealogias de São Miguel'
> > book.  Pacheco is a major line in my family, and it’s listed in the
description
> > of that book as one of the principle families of Sao Miguel.  Can anyone
who
> > knows about the Pacheco’s give a synopsis of the name and its origins?
>
> >  I’d love to get my hands on the book, but the FHC in my area said they
didn’
> > t have it microfilmed in Salt Lake.
>
> >  Jay Fraga
>
> Jay:
>
> I have an extra copy of volume I of the Genealogias de S. Miguel e Santa
> Maria (hard copy with dust cover), revised by Dr. Hugo Moreira, and
published by
> the Sociedade Sebastião Afonso Chaves, Ponta Delgada: 1998.(668 pp.) It is
for
> sale for $115.00, post paid (media rate) within the US. The complete
> genealogies (7 volumes) were recently published on a subscription basis,
i.e. there
> were only 500 sets printed on a pre-paid subsciption basis. Volume I,
Chapter 2
> is titled "A Descendência de Antão Pacheco." I will sell volume I to the
first
> buyer. Anyone interested should e-mail me privately, not to the list.
>
> John Miranda Raposo    - Hide quoted text -
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[AZORES-Genealogy] 'Genealogias de São Miguel'

[Jason Fraga]

I’m awfully interested in some info in the 'Genealogias de São Miguel' book.
Pacheco is a major line in my family, and it’s listed in the description of
that book as one of the principle families of Sao Miguel.  Can anyone who
knows about the Pacheco’s give a synopsis of the name and its origins?

 

I’d love to get my hands on the book, but the FHC in my area said they
didn’t have it microfilmed in Salt Lake.

 

Jay Fraga

 

 

 

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From: mances [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:25 PM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Furtado's in Brazil

 

Hi Linda,

 

My greatgrandfather Francisco Furtado de Sousa was born in Livramento, and
his father, also named Francisco Furtado de Sousa, was from São Roque and he
was son of José Furtado [de Sousa], born in Vila Franca do Campo, and Rita
de Jesus [Vieira], born in Furnas.

We are surely connected through Rita de Jesus [Vieira]. Her father, Narciso
Vieira, was born in Ribeira Grande and is descendent of João Rebelo and
Maria Travassos, from Ribeirinha.

João Rebelo and Maria Travassos are your ancestors too, as told me John
Roias. This couple is found in the book 'Genealogias de São Miguel' by
Rodrigo Rodrigues, and they are a gateway to medieval times, going back to
the Travassos, Cabral and specially to the Velho's lineage well documented
in Portugal since the XIIth century.

 

Um abraço,

Manoel Cesar Furtado

 

 

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From: Linda Norton   

To: Azores@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 3:44 PM

Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Furtado's in Brazil

 

 

Hi,

 

The only person that I know that went to Sao Paulo, Brazil in the mid 1900’s
was my father’s first cousin, Maria de Sousa de Rocha ?de Dias. She actually
just passed away recently.

 

I do know that Manoel Cesar Furtado lives in Sao Paulo and he is from the
group. He was my real first connection when I first joined genealogy,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I don’t see him on much, but he was chock full of
information. His ggrandparents, Francisco de Sousa and Maria da Luz went to
Brazil in 1891. We are cousins because they were originally from Riberia
Grande where my family is from. 

 

Linda 





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