[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name patterns in genealogy programs

2019-03-02 Thread Thea
Hi Sam,

I use Family Tree Maker and about a year ago decided to change out all the 
de/da/do's in my program.  Right now I can't recall how I did it (then), 
but you can go to the person (by clicking the name and making it blue in 
the center of the screen OR by going to the left side of FTM and find your 
person alphabetically under the surnames that begin with de/da/do).  Now, 
look over to the right and see the person's name and click it in the box. 
 Click on the 'edit' pencil and up pops a box with three boxes in it (Given 
Name, Surname and Suffix).  I then put the de/da/do at the end of the 
'Given Name' box and erase it in the 'surname' box.  Then click 'OK.'  Hope 
this is clear.  It isn't as hard as my ramblings make it appear.

Good Luck,
Thea Norum



On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 3:02:17 PM UTC-8, Sam Koester wrote:
>
> Hi all;  I’ve been trying to see if I can follow Cheri’s procedure in my 
> familytreemaker program.  That is First name/names followed by de/da/do and 
> surname only in surname field.  So far, I only see one space for inputting 
> the name and it is for the full name.  Am I missing something?  Is there a 
> work around?
>
>  
>
> Thanks all,
>
>  
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with parents' names, Rabo de Peixe, Sao Miguel

2019-02-13 Thread Thea
Hi Cheri and JR,
Thanks for the comments.  Yes, I am happy to have these records and we are 
lucky that they are this clear from the early 1600s. JR thanks for adding 
the padrinhos for me.  Those names are familiar to me in my other 
lines/families in this area, especially Joao Lopes.  
Thea


On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 6:19:20 PM UTC-8, JR wrote:
>
> Rabo de Peixe is the freguesia next to Calhetas, and Calhetas was 
> considered part of Rabo de Peixe freguesia at one time. You will not find 
> records older than 1796 for baptisms, 1836 for marriages. Calhetas must 
> have begun almost the same time as Rabo de Peixe because it is often 
> referenced in the old Ribeira Grande and Rabo de Peixe records. It is 
> possible that you may find some links to Ribeira Grande, Estrela, and to 
> lesser extent, maybe Ponta Delgada also. Really, I know we want more, but 
> it is blessing to have anything in the 1600's at all.
>
> Padrinhos, o Padre, Joao Lopes da Vila (perhaps Ribeira Grande?), and 
> Izabel Alvres, mulher de Antonio Alvares das Calhetas
>
> JR
>
> On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 12:25:10 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Thea,
>> The older Calhetas records may be housed in the next freguesia over. I 
>> don't have those notes in front of me, but I bet one of the Ribeira Grande 
>> researchers on this list knows off the top of their head.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 9:09 AM Thea  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Cheri, 
>>>
>>> Thanks for the response.  I would have never picked up on Calhetas in 
>>> the record, yet when looking at it now, it's quite clear.  I went into 
>>> Tombo quickly and they don't start records in Calhetas until 1837, way 
>>> after I need those records.  The record I was working on is 1608.  I was 
>>> sort of happy not to have to look further back, as I have so much more to 
>>> look into.  :)
>>> Again thanks,
>>> Thea
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 9:27:36 AM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Thea,
>>>>
>>>> Although it's abbreviated, I believe you are correct. Manuel Gonçalves 
>>>> das Calhetas and Isabel Vieira. 
>>>>
>>>> Go to the Azores GenWeb here (make sure you bookmark this one; Rootsweb 
>>>> had issues and one site is very old): 
>>>> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ 
>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.worldgenweb.org%2Fazrwgw%2F=D=1=AFQjCNHqtwy8V8iSzf1REbBI5TLOxzpaOQ>
>>>> Then look for the Maps button, pick Sao Miguel, and you will find a 
>>>> Calhetas in Ribeira Grande. So the dad was from a different freguesia.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 9:12 AM Thea  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1605-1623/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1605-1623_item1/P17.html
>>>>>  
>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fculturacores.azores.gov.pt%2Fbiblioteca_digital%2FSMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1605-1623%2FSMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1605-1623_item1%2FP17.html=D=1=AFQjCNHWg8lN87GcTbC04wvuzf4anmbxrQ>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joao is on the bottom left 
>>>>>
>>>>> bpt. 3 Mar 1608 in Bom Jesus, Rabo de Peixe, Sao Miguel
>>>>> I need help with his parents' names
>>>>> Manuel ?  (I want it to be Gonsalves)  and what does it say after that?
>>>>> Isabel ? (I want it to be Viera)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your help.
>>>>> Thea Norum
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with parents' names, Rabo de Peixe, Sao Miguel

2019-02-10 Thread Thea
Hi Cheri, 

Thanks for the response.  I would have never picked up on Calhetas in the 
record, yet when looking at it now, it's quite clear.  I went into Tombo 
quickly and they don't start records in Calhetas until 1837, way after I 
need those records.  The record I was working on is 1608.  I was sort of 
happy not to have to look further back, as I have so much more to look 
into.  :)
Again thanks,
Thea

On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 9:27:36 AM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Thea,
>
> Although it's abbreviated, I believe you are correct. Manuel Gonçalves das 
> Calhetas and Isabel Vieira. 
>
> Go to the Azores GenWeb here (make sure you bookmark this one; Rootsweb 
> had issues and one site is very old): http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ 
> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.worldgenweb.org%2Fazrwgw%2F=D=1=AFQjCNHqtwy8V8iSzf1REbBI5TLOxzpaOQ>
> Then look for the Maps button, pick Sao Miguel, and you will find a 
> Calhetas in Ribeira Grande. So the dad was from a different freguesia.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 9:12 AM Thea > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1605-1623/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1605-1623_item1/P17.html
>>  
>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fculturacores.azores.gov.pt%2Fbiblioteca_digital%2FSMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1605-1623%2FSMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1605-1623_item1%2FP17.html=D=1=AFQjCNHWg8lN87GcTbC04wvuzf4anmbxrQ>
>>
>> Joao is on the bottom left 
>>
>> bpt. 3 Mar 1608 in Bom Jesus, Rabo de Peixe, Sao Miguel
>> I need help with his parents' names
>> Manuel ?  (I want it to be Gonsalves)  and what does it say after that?
>> Isabel ? (I want it to be Viera)
>>
>> Thank you for your help.
>> Thea Norum
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with parents' names, Rabo de Peixe, Sao Miguel

2019-02-09 Thread Thea
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1605-1623/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1605-1623_item1/P17.html

Joao is on the bottom left 

bpt. 3 Mar 1608 in Bom Jesus, Rabo de Peixe, Sao Miguel
I need help with his parents' names
Manuel ?  (I want it to be Gonsalves)  and what does it say after that?
Isabel ? (I want it to be Viera)

Thank you for your help.
Thea Norum

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage record of Manuel (Faria) Cabral & Maria de Oliveira in Rabo de Peixe, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel

2017-04-22 Thread Thea
JR, you are so very kind to do all this work finding these folks.  I had 
been through these records, but had not found them (as I was NOT looking 
for this couple!).  I am off for a couple of weeks (camping in Yosemite!!), 
leaving shortly.  I will be getting back into this when I get home.  
Thank you so very much,
Thea

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 12:06:57 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
>
> Even though Andre Faria and Maria Oliveira were not married when they had 
> Maria [da Silva] de Oliveira in 1684, it bothered me that her marriage to 
> Manuel Cabral in 1703, indicated she was filha de Andre Faria e "*sua 
> mulher* Maria da Silva" Note the "su mulher". So I thought maybe they 
> married later. Sure enough, and this great luck for you, they married April 
> 5- 1887, three years after Maria was born. I will send you the info. 
>
> JR
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage record of Manuel (Faria) Cabral & Maria de Oliveira in Rabo de Peixe, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel

2017-04-20 Thread Thea
Hi JR and John Reposo & others too, 

It’s time to revisit Manuel Cabral & Maria de Oliveira, the mentioned 
parents of Joseph de Faria & Barbara Tavares, m. 20 Feb 1737.  I found NO 
births with with Cabral/deOliveira names on them.

You indicated that they were actually Manuel Cabral and Maria Farya, which 
I had also found and wrote seven children with them as parents (all born in 
Rabo de Peixe).

Maria: bpt. 29 Sep 1703 (lists dad as Manuel Cabral Velho).  If I have the 
same Maria Cabral,
   she was married to Tome Alvares, 19 Feb 1726, and her parents are 
listed as 
   Manuel Cabral pedreiro & Maria de Oliveira.
Twins: Manoel and Antonia: b.20 Feb 1705
Antonia: b.24 Feb 1707. Her marriage shows Manuel Cabral manuho (?) & Maria 
de Faria as
her parents, m.20 May 1709.
Felipa: b. 20 May 1709
Joseph: b. 4 May 1712. Parents are Manuel Cabral Maniche (?) & Maria de 
Faria.  If this is
my Joseph, he was 25 years old when he got married and his parents 
listed at his
wedding are Manuel Cabral & Maria de Oliveira.
Joachim: b.5 Sep 1714. Parents listed as Manuel Cabral Vehlo de Teve & 
Maria de Faria on
birth record!

Here is the marriage of Manuel Cabral de Teve & Maria de Farya, 27 Dec 1703:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759_item1/P15.html

This is a long and convoluted email.  But how do we say with certainty that 
these parents are the same people?  Is there another piece of paper in this 
long paper trail that says they they are the same people?  What I find so 
very interesting is that it states in his death record that he is the 
spouse of Maria de Oliveira (not Faria) at such a late period in his life.

At this point I have not found a de Oliveira in Maria de Farya’s parents 
names.  I have not gone further back on that side.  Why the confusion with 
the priest’s writing?

Thanks for pondering this.  I sure wish I could read Portuguese and 
possibly get more out of these records.
Thea Norum


On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 8:55:50 PM UTC-7, Thea wrote:
>
> Hello fellow sleuths,
>
> I am searching for the marriage record of Manuel (Faria) Cabral & Maria de 
> Oliveira in Rabo de Peixe, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel.  Here they are 
> mentioned in Joseph de Faria & Barbara Tavares’ marriage on 20 Feb 1737 
> (Manuel Faria & Maria de Oliveira are the parents of Joseph de Faria) — 
> left side.  
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759_item1/P200.html
>
> Well, I’ve poured through the marriage records for Rabo de Peixe and can’t 
> find them there or in many of the surrounding parishes (that does not mean 
> that the record is not there).  Could something else be written in this 
> document that might lead me to another parish?
>
> I also have them as a couple in Rabo de Peixe in their daughter, Maria’s 
> marriage to Tome Alvarez in Rabo de Peixie, 19 Feb 1726 right (right side). 
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759_item1/P117.html
>
> I have searched for the births of these children, Joseph de Faria and 
> Maria Cabral, and have not found them in Rabo de Peixe or surrounding 
> parishes.
>
> I found Manuel Cabral’s death record in Rabo de Peixe:  18 Sep 1755; +/- 
> 70 yrs old (right side)
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745-1758/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745-1758_item1/P89.html
> Yes, the above leads me to a birth of a Manuel (11 Dec 1680), but I cannot 
> go there without any other proof.
>
> The help I would like after looking at these records, are there any other 
> clues for finding a marriage record of Manuel Cabral and Maria de Oliveira 
> AND/OR are there any other clues where I might find the births of their two 
> children, Joseph de Maria and Maria Cabral.  
>
> Thank you so much, in advance, for looking at these records.
> Thea Norum
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage record of Manuel (Faria) Cabral & Maria de Oliveira in Rabo de Peixe, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel

2017-04-14 Thread Thea
John, this is exciting.  Thank  you fro replying.  I am on my way out of 
the house for a couple of days and will get back to you.  I had found this 
Manoel and Maria and their children and followed the line, but I finally 
decided it wasn't them for a couple of reason.  I will get my thoughts 
together and get back to you.  Speaking about Madeira, some of children or 
grandchildren went to Madeira.

Again, thanks for the help.
Thea

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:34:08 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759_item1/P15.html
>
> Dec 27- 1702, Manoel Cabral de Teve cc Maria de Farya. He is filho de 
> Manoel Cabral Velho and Barbara Ferreira; she is filha de Andre de Farya 
> and Maria da Sylva, todos desta freg. e nella moradores.
>
> JR
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:55:50 PM UTC-4, Thea wrote:
>>
>> Hello fellow sleuths,
>>
>> I am searching for the marriage record of Manuel (Faria) Cabral & Maria 
>> de Oliveira in Rabo de Peixe, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel.  Here they are 
>> mentioned in Joseph de Faria & Barbara Tavares’ marriage on 20 Feb 1737 
>> (Manuel Faria & Maria de Oliveira are the parents of Joseph de Faria) — 
>> left side.  
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759_item1/P200.html
>>
>> Well, I’ve poured through the marriage records for Rabo de Peixe and 
>> can’t find them there or in many of the surrounding parishes (that does not 
>> mean that the record is not there).  Could something else be written in 
>> this document that might lead me to another parish?
>>
>> I also have them as a couple in Rabo de Peixe in their daughter, Maria’s 
>> marriage to Tome Alvarez in Rabo de Peixie, 19 Feb 1726 right (right side). 
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759_item1/P117.html
>>
>> I have searched for the births of these children, Joseph de Faria and 
>> Maria Cabral, and have not found them in Rabo de Peixe or surrounding 
>> parishes.
>>
>> I found Manuel Cabral’s death record in Rabo de Peixe:  18 Sep 1755; +/- 
>> 70 yrs old (right side)
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745-1758/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745-1758_item1/P89.html
>> Yes, the above leads me to a birth of a Manuel (11 Dec 1680), but I 
>> cannot go there without any other proof.
>>
>> The help I would like after looking at these records, are there any other 
>> clues for finding a marriage record of Manuel Cabral and Maria de Oliveira 
>> AND/OR are there any other clues where I might find the births of their two 
>> children, Joseph de Maria and Maria Cabral.  
>>
>> Thank you so much, in advance, for looking at these records.
>> Thea Norum
>>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage record of Manuel (Faria) Cabral & Maria de Oliveira in Rabo de Peixe, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel

2017-04-14 Thread Thea


On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 8:55:50 PM UTC-7, Thea wrote:
>
> Hello fellow sleuths,
>
> I am searching for the marriage record of Manuel (Faria) Cabral & Maria de 
> Oliveira in Rabo de Peixe, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel.  Here they are 
> mentioned in Joseph de Faria & Barbara Tavares’ marriage on 20 Feb 1737 
> (Manuel Faria & Maria de Oliveira are the parents of Joseph de Faria) — 
> left side.  
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759_item1/P200.html
>
> Well, I’ve poured through the marriage records for Rabo de Peixe and can’t 
> find them there or in many of the surrounding parishes (that does not mean 
> that the record is not there).  Could something else be written in this 
> document that might lead me to another parish?
>
> I also have them as a couple in Rabo de Peixe in their daughter, Maria’s 
> marriage to Tome Alvarez in Rabo de Peixie, 19 Feb 1726 right (right side). 
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759_item1/P117.html
>
> I have searched for the births of these children, Joseph de Faria and 
> Maria Cabral, and have not found them in Rabo de Peixe or surrounding 
> parishes.
>
> I found Manuel Cabral’s death record in Rabo de Peixe:  18 Sep 1755; +/- 
> 70 yrs old (right side)
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745-1758/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745-1758_item1/P89.html
> Yes, the above leads me to a birth of a Manuel (11 Dec 1680), but I cannot 
> go there without any other proof.
>
> The help I would like after looking at these records, are there any other 
> clues for finding a marriage record of Manuel Cabral and Maria de Oliveira 
> AND/OR are there any other clues where I might find the births of their two 
> children, Joseph de Maria and Maria Cabral.  
>
> Thank you so much, in advance, for looking at these records.
> Thea Norum
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record of Manuel (Faria) Cabral & Maria de Oliveira in Rabo de Peixe, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel

2017-04-13 Thread Thea
Hello fellow sleuths,

I am searching for the marriage record of Manuel (Faria) Cabral & Maria de 
Oliveira in Rabo de Peixe, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel.  Here they are 
mentioned in Joseph de Faria & Barbara Tavares’ marriage on 20 Feb 1737 
(Manuel Faria & Maria de Oliveira are the parents of Joseph de Faria) — 
left side.  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759_item1/P200.html

Well, I’ve poured through the marriage records for Rabo de Peixe and can’t 
find them there or in many of the surrounding parishes (that does not mean 
that the record is not there).  Could something else be written in this 
document that might lead me to another parish?

I also have them as a couple in Rabo de Peixe in their daughter, Maria’s 
marriage to Tome Alvarez in Rabo de Peixie, 19 Feb 1726 right (right side). 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1700-1759_item1/P117.html

I have searched for the births of these children, Joseph de Faria and Maria 
Cabral, and have not found them in Rabo de Peixe or surrounding parishes.

I found Manuel Cabral’s death record in Rabo de Peixe:  18 Sep 1755; +/- 70 
yrs old (right side)
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745-1758/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-O-1745-1758_item1/P89.html
Yes, the above leads me to a birth of a Manuel (11 Dec 1680), but I cannot 
go there without any other proof.

The help I would like after looking at these records, are there any other 
clues for finding a marriage record of Manuel Cabral and Maria de Oliveira 
AND/OR are there any other clues where I might find the births of their two 
children, Joseph de Maria and Maria Cabral.  

Thank you so much, in advance, for looking at these records.
Thea Norum

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BOOK HAS ARRIVED

2017-04-10 Thread Thea Norum
I received the book today, ordered it February 17.  I thought it was never 
going to come.  What a surprise when the postman rang my doorbell today. 
 The one thing I find difficult is that the priests' writing in MY church 
books are not this neat.  It's fun to see how many abbreviations can be 
made for a Manuel!!  The book will be another key, of many, to trying to 
unlock these records.

Thea 

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 1:29:17 PM UTC-7, Maria wrote:
>
> I received the book yesterday. (ABREVIATURAS PALEOGRAFICAS PORTUGUESAS) . 
>
> Like you said, it was wrapped neatly and arrived in good condition.  Thank 
> you all who reassured each other  when you received your book.  Yay!   
>
>
> Maria Elena 

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