[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading 1716 Altares marriage record of Pedro Cota and Angela de Sao Mateus

[William Seidler]

Hi Doreen,

I see the groom's name just a couple lines below the blurry damage.  The 
last three words on the line is:  "Pedro Cotta filho".  The next line 
continues with Roque? Martins? and his wife Maria Cotta, both deceased; 
with Angela de São Mateus, daughter of Baltazar? Martins? deceased, and his 
wife Beatriz de Mello?

I hope this helps some, but I am certain about much of it, hence the 
question marks.

Bill Seidler

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 11:30:34 AM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote:
>
> Please help me read this record. I’m struggling with the priest fancy 
> handwriting. I have been trying to read several pages of these marriage 
> records and on this one I can not eve find the groom’s name or his 
> information. I see something about a Maria Francisca? I see maybe Angela de 
> Sao Mateus. The record is on the right side of the page.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P12.html
>
> Thank you, Doreen Caetano
>
>  
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another set of eyes needed

[William Seidler]

I agree with Cheri on the dates.  Dois ends with an "s" and this seems to 
end with an "e".  Baptism date is definitely the 16th but spelled 
("desaceis" instead of dezaseis)

The father is José (old sp=Joze) Teixeira (abbr Txr.a) Nunes and the mother 
is Barbara Maria.  The names are a bit clearer on Manuel's baptism that I 
posted yesterday on your other post.

Bill Seidler


On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 12:02:31 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I believe she was born the 12th (doze - he runs it together with the "a" 
> and misspells doze. Ten (dez) is only 3 letters.
> [image: image.png]
>
> I think she was baptized on the 16th (dezeseis, but misspelled). 
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 11:39 AM Marilyn Thompson  > wrote:
>
>> I will learn to check my email before I start looking. Thank you Bill for 
>> the link. I did find it myself, yay for me. Can you tell me what her 
>> birthdate is?
>> I thought it was 2 Apr 1840 or 10 Apr 1840. What is her baptism date is 
>> it the 18th?
>>
>> Are the paternal grandparents Joao or Jose __ Nunes and Barbara 
>> Maria?   bottom left
>>
>>
>>  
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1840-1848/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1840-1848_item1/P9.html
>>   
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 9:41 AM Maria Lima > > wrote:
>>
>>> You’re correct she was 22 and was baptized in that parish.  The husband 
>>> was widowed.  You probably saw that already.  
>>> Maria Elena
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 15, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Marilyn Thompson >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I am look for Marianna Jose's age/birthdate and place.
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1860-1869/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1860-1869_item1/P26.html
>>>  
>>> Top right. 
>>> Am I reading this right that she was 22 at the time of the marriage? I 
>>> have not found her baptismal record yet. 
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> Marilyn T
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another set of eyes needed

[William Seidler]

Here is the baptism, bottom left 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1840-1848/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1840-1848_item1/P9.html

Bill Seidler

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism Margarida Rosa

[William Seidler]

Yes it is the right one.  Both have Margarida's parents listed as Antonio 
Machado de Aguiar from Topo and Maria Silveira (de Avila) from Norte 
Pequeno.

Here is Manuel's baptism: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1780-1793/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1780-1793_item1/P116.html
 (right 
center)

Bill Seidler

On Monday, July 15, 2019 at 6:16:12 PM UTC-7, Marilyn Thompson wrote:
>
>  Margarida's birthday was listed on her marriage as 13 October 1790. I 
> need someone to look at this one and tell me if this is the right one.
>
> Bottom right corner.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1787-1792/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1787-1792_item1/P64.html
>   
>
> On their marriage it has his birthday at 8 Oct 1790, but I am not finding 
> it.
> Here is a link to their marriage. Top left
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1796-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1796-1828_item1/P174.html
>   
>
> I have looked in both Topo and Ribeira Seca for both of them
> Thank you
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Obit margin help Joam Pimentel quemado

[William Seidler]

Here is the second Joao's first marriage in 1765:  
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-C-1742-1767/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-C-1742-1767_item1/P93.html

Here is the first Joao's first marriage in 1728. 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-C-1675-1801/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-C-1675-1801_item1/P86.html
  
I read his parents as Baltazar Pimentel and his wife Maria Rosa de 
Freitas.  He is marrying Esperança Rosa, daughter of Manuel Martins and 
Esperança George.

Bill Seidler


On Monday, July 15, 2019 at 12:42:05 PM UTC-7, William Seidler wrote:
>
> Hi Janet,
>
> I am sorry I neglected to post the link for his second marriage, but glad 
> that you found it anyway.
>
> I don't see Joao's parents listed in the marriage to Maria de Almeida.  He 
> is widower of Esperança George (I think).  You would have to find his first 
> marriage to get his parents' names.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Monday, July 15, 2019 at 10:20:33 AM UTC-7, Janet Carminati wrote:
>>
>> Thank you all for the insights and help! 
>>
>> William - i believe below is the second marriage to Mariana de Freitas 
>> you are referring to.  I have not found his first marriage yet but believe 
>> they had at least one child, Antonio from other records I have come across. 
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-C-1767-1833/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-C-1767-1833_item1/P98.html
>>  
>>
>> Bill - I have found his birth record in S. Pedro of Ponte Delgado, Flores 
>> below and he was born Oct 31, 1739, so not near Palm Sunday. 
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1727-1757/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1727-1757_item1/P54.html
>>  
>>
>> His parents are Joao Pimentel and Maria de Almeide? (abbreviated to 
>> Almda) and their marriage record is: 
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-C-1675-1801/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-C-1675-1801_item1/P90.html
>>  
>> I cannot make out the parent(s) listed for João - might end in George - 
>> can anyone decipher that name? 
>>
>> Thanks again, 
>> Janet 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Obit margin help Joam Pimentel quemado

[William Seidler]

Hi Janet,

I am sorry I neglected to post the link for his second marriage, but glad 
that you found it anyway.

I don't see Joao's parents listed in the marriage to Maria de Almeida.  He 
is widower of Esperança George (I think).  You would have to find his first 
marriage to get his parents' names.

Bill Seidler

On Monday, July 15, 2019 at 10:20:33 AM UTC-7, Janet Carminati wrote:
>
> Thank you all for the insights and help! 
>
> William - i believe below is the second marriage to Mariana de Freitas you 
> are referring to.  I have not found his first marriage yet but believe they 
> had at least one child, Antonio from other records I have come across. 
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-C-1767-1833/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-C-1767-1833_item1/P98.html
>  
>
> Bill - I have found his birth record in S. Pedro of Ponte Delgado, Flores 
> below and he was born Oct 31, 1739, so not near Palm Sunday. 
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1727-1757/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1727-1757_item1/P54.html
>  
>
> His parents are Joao Pimentel and Maria de Almeide? (abbreviated to Almda) 
> and their marriage record is: 
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-C-1675-1801/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-C-1675-1801_item1/P90.html
>  
> I cannot make out the parent(s) listed for João - might end in George - 
> can anyone decipher that name? 
>
> Thanks again, 
> Janet 
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Obit margin help Joam Pimentel quemado

[William Seidler]

Here is the second marriage of the same João Pimentel.  This one says he is 
natural of São Pedro, Ponta Delagda, Flores, just as you had indicated.  
Either I misread the birthplace in his obit or the priest was mistaken.

Bill Seidler

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 12:42:47 PM UTC-7, Janet Carminati wrote:
>
> Hello all, 
> Could anyone assist with this Obit record - specifically what is written 
> in the margin under Joam Pimentel?  His name in other records is usually 
> Joam Pimentel quemado and quemado is never capitalized - does that signify 
> anything?  Additionally can someone confirm he was born in Flores, church 
> of S Pedro (in agreement with other records)?  Finally who is Anna de 
> Freitas mentioned towards the bottom? 
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-O-1784-1802/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-O-1784-1802_item1/P103.html
>  
>
> Thank you for any help! 
> Janet 
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Obit margin help Joam Pimentel quemado

[William Seidler]

The margin note looks like it might be dos Ramos (written mor like raMos).  
Was he born near a Palm Sunday?  In the text though it does say queimado 
just as you said other records give.  I believe he is 54 years old (more or 
less) and it say he is natural and resident of this parish of Nossa Senhora 
dos Remidios in Fajazinha.  I can't make everything out but I think on line 
6 it gives his testementeiro (executor of his will or estate?) his wife 
Mariana de Freitas and later makes reference to something for the soul of 
his first wife Anna de Freitas.

Hopefully this helps and that someone better corrects any mistakes I may 
have made.

Bill Seidler

On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 12:42:47 PM UTC-7, Janet Carminati wrote:
>
> Hello all, 
> Could anyone assist with this Obit record - specifically what is written 
> in the margin under Joam Pimentel?  His name in other records is usually 
> Joam Pimentel quemado and quemado is never capitalized - does that signify 
> anything?  Additionally can someone confirm he was born in Flores, church 
> of S Pedro (in agreement with other records)?  Finally who is Anna de 
> Freitas mentioned towards the bottom? 
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-O-1784-1802/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-O-1784-1802_item1/P103.html
>  
>
> Thank you for any help! 
> Janet 
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help

[William Seidler]

Gordon,

Both of these are for someone with the first name Gaspar.  

The first can be found here 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-B-1584-1591/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-B-1584-1591_item1/P83.html
 and 
I believe it is the 1590 baptism of Gaspar, son of Antonio Lucas and Maria 
Luisa.

The second is a 1639 obituary of Gaspar Lucas (likely the same person in 
the above baptism) and can be found here 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-O-1607-1651/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-O-1607-1651_item1/P79.html.
  
These are from the frequesia of Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras on Terceira 
Island.

Is that something you are looking for?

Bill Seidler

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 10:26:00 AM UTC-7, gs...@centurylink.net wrote:
>
> Can someone translate these two documents for me? Gaspar is my paternal 
> Granmothers maiden name.
>
> Gordon
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro Sao Jorge

[William Seidler]

Yes there was definitely some moving around.  My wife's 3d great 
grandfather was born in Praia, Graciosa; showed up in Matriz de Sao 
Sebastiao, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel where he married a woman from Santo 
Amaro, Sao Jorge.  The couple had their first child in Praia, Graciosa, a 
few months later, then their second and third in Urzelina, Sao Jorge.  I 
then lost track of him, but his wife died in Urzelina in 1901 and her obit 
said she was still married.

Bill Seidler

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Can't make out this word, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[William Seidler]

I think that is alfiate; a tailor or suitmaker

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Cruz Graciosa 1741 obit for Susana Vieira

[William Seidler]

Thank you Margaret.  I was curious because I'm not used to seeing margin 
notes on obitos; this is the only one in this image.  I do see the age give 
in several records on this image, but at least two do not give the age.  

On the second on the right for Maria Picança, does it say 105 years old?

Bill

On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 8:08:47 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> No age on the record or for this time period.  
>
> Here's what I see."Em este aqui estao hirada [fiada?] pello procurador dos 
> Reziduos.  Interpreting "In this one here, it was erected {or owed} to the 
> Residual/Waste Attorney.
>
> It would mean the grave was to the credit of the Residuals Attorney's 
>
> Margaret
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 1:06 AM William Seidler  > wrote:
>
>> Second Obito on left is for Susan Vieira, widow of Manuel Luis on 21 Aug 
>> 1741.  Can anyone make out what the margin note is saying?  How about her 
>> age?
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-O-1731-1746/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-O-1731-1746_item1/P36.html
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Bill Seidler
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Cruz Graciosa 1741 obit for Susana Vieira

[William Seidler]

Second Obito on left is for Susan Vieira, widow of Manuel Luis on 21 Aug 
1741.  Can anyone make out what the margin note is saying?  How about her 
age?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-O-1731-1746/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-O-1731-1746_item1/P36.html

Thanks for any help.
Bill Seidler

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with short form of surnames

[William Seidler]

Yes I believe you are correct for P.o (Pedro) and frz (Fernandes); miz is 
Martins.

Bill Seidler


On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 12:39:38 AM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Hi there,
> I've checked the list of short forms for names but was not successful with 
> these names. First record, I think the father's first name is Pedro  (Po) 
> and everyone's last name, except the godmother, is Fernandes. I cannot 
> figure out what the godmother's last name is, it looks like Miz. 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625_item1/P48.html
>
> TIA
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name

[William Seidler]

I've never seen that but apparently the colon goes between compound 
surnames: Gonçalves:Ferreira (groom), Gonçalves:Ferreira (groom's father), 
then I believe Gonçalves:Fialho for the bride's father.

Bill Seidler 

On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 11:43:55 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I noticed the priest/scribe did that after all 4 parents names. Maybe 
> someone else who researches your freguesia knows.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:59 AM > 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks. Now I do not feel so bad about not being able to make it out. I 
>> wondered about the colon too. The first letter looks like the f in Ferreira 
>> earlier in the record but then it does not follow the same pattern for 
>> Ferreira and that would give the groom and bride the same family names. 
>> Maybe Faria but maybe it starts with a T instead…then it could be ? Thanks 
>> again. Doreen
>>
>>  
>>
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>>
>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent: *Sunday, June 16, 2019 10:42 AM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name
>>
>>  
>>
>> Yes, Goncalves is abbreviated. But I don't know what's up with the colon 
>> and the hyphenated word that comes next. After that word, it says he is 
>> already dead.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:32 AM > 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have most of this record already but can not make out the father of the 
>> bride’s last name I have Domingos Goncalves ?
>>
>> The record is on the bottom of the left side. 
>>
>> Thanks Doreen Caetano
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P99.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Valadao, Flores (need help reading)

[William Seidler]

Hi Sam,

The mother looks like Francisca dos Santos to me.  I guess that your right 
about Valedão because I can't think of what else V.am could be (any 
suggestions?)  I have several Valedão ancestors on Terceira bur I've never 
seen the abbreviation.  I see the date 11 Mar 1790 as you do.  I think the 
godparents are Manuel and Maria, children of Antonio de Freitas and his 
wife Maria de São Pedro. I do not see grandparents listed as they are 
usually not given during this earlier era.

Bill Seidler

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 4:10:09 PM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LAJESDASFLORES-B-1779-1793/FLR-LF-LAJESDASFLORES-B-1779-1793_item1/P91.html
>
>  
>
> Top Right:  Is it Maria daughter of Jose Caetano Valadao and Francisca?  
> Does it show grandparents?  Born 11 March 1790?
>
>  
>
> Thanks,
>
>  
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ernesto do Canto Index

[William Seidler]

It's there.  Click on the Sao Miguel Index sub-menu instead of just Sao 
Miguel 

On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 8:53:02 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Terri,
>
> Hmmm, I followed your instructios and this is at the bottom of the page. I 
> don't see any index listed here:
> [image: image.png]
>
> I tried the refresh in case my pages were cached. That didn't work. I'll 
> ask Kathy when I see her in about 10 days.  Thanks, Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 6:27 AM Terri Santos  > wrote:
>
>> Its there Cheri. When you go to the GenWeb site... indexes... choose Sao 
>> Miguel island...scroll right to the bottom if that page and the Sao Pedro 
>> index i worked on is there. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism

[William Seidler]

CCA is fine.  Doreen's link is missing the end.  Here is the link:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P19.html




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cannot make out names in this Altares baptism.

[William Seidler]

The mother is Rosa Joaquina as Cheri said.  I can't explain why I typed 
Jacinta (misremembered while typing?)

Bill Seidler

On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 1:07:09 PM UTC-7, William Seidler wrote:
>
> It appears the couple married two months later after getting the 
> dispensation (3d to 4th degree consanguinity) that probably held their 
> marriage up.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-C-1822-1849/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-C-1822-1849_item1/P33.html
>  (right 
> side)
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 1:00:30 PM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote:
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>  
>>
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>>
>> *From: *William Seidler
>> *Sent: *Thursday, June 13, 2019 12:58 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cannot make out names in this Altares 
>> baptism.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I think the father is Antonio Jacinto Fernandes, single; and the mother 
>> is Rosa Jacinta, single, daughter of  Jacinto do Couto and his wife 
>> Joaquina Maria (I think also from Biscoitos)
>>
>>  
>>
>> The godfather is Manuel do Couto, brother of the mother.  Madrinha is 
>> Barbara de Jesus (Vieira or Viuva).
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 11:45:03 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Father: Antonio do Couto. Single, from Biscoitos.
>>
>> Mom: Rosa Joaquina, single, daughter of Jacinto do Scribble Scrabble and 
>> his wife, Joaquina (?) Maria, native of Biscoitos and parishioners of Sao 
>> Roque.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Gods: Manuel do Couto, brother da Something of the baptized (I want to 
>> say father? but it almost looks like mother - the dad is the Couto), and 
>> Barbara de Jesus Vieira.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 8:59 AM  wrote:
>>
>> I need help reading the names in this baptism record
>>
>> I think it says Manuel, son of Antonio??? From Biscoitos, and Maria 
>> Lourenca from Biscoitos?. Is it saying they are single? Is it listing her 
>> parents? In the area of the godparents is it referring to a brother? Top 
>> right side of the page. Help Thanks again. Doreen Caetano
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P16.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cannot make out names in this Altares baptism.

[William Seidler]

It appears the couple married two months later after getting the 
dispensation (3d to 4th degree consanguinity) that probably held their 
marriage up.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-C-1822-1849/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-C-1822-1849_item1/P33.html
 (right 
side)

Bill Seidler

On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 1:00:30 PM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote:
>
> Thank you
>
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>  
>
> *From: *William Seidler 
> *Sent: *Thursday, June 13, 2019 12:58 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cannot make out names in this Altares 
> baptism.
>
>  
>
> I think the father is Antonio Jacinto Fernandes, single; and the mother is 
> Rosa Jacinta, single, daughter of  Jacinto do Couto and his wife Joaquina 
> Maria (I think also from Biscoitos)
>
>  
>
> The godfather is Manuel do Couto, brother of the mother.  Madrinha is 
> Barbara de Jesus (Vieira or Viuva).
>
>  
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 11:45:03 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Father: Antonio do Couto. Single, from Biscoitos.
>
> Mom: Rosa Joaquina, single, daughter of Jacinto do Scribble Scrabble and 
> his wife, Joaquina (?) Maria, native of Biscoitos and parishioners of Sao 
> Roque.
>
>  
>
> Gods: Manuel do Couto, brother da Something of the baptized (I want to say 
> father? but it almost looks like mother - the dad is the Couto), and 
> Barbara de Jesus Vieira.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 8:59 AM  wrote:
>
> I need help reading the names in this baptism record
>
> I think it says Manuel, son of Antonio??? From Biscoitos, and Maria 
> Lourenca from Biscoitos?. Is it saying they are single? Is it listing her 
> parents? In the area of the godparents is it referring to a brother? Top 
> right side of the page. Help Thanks again. Doreen Caetano
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P16.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cannot make out names in this Altares baptism.

[William Seidler]

I think the father is Antonio Jacinto Fernandes, single; and the mother is 
Rosa Jacinta, single, daughter of  Jacinto do Couto and his wife Joaquina 
Maria (I think also from Biscoitos)

The godfather is Manuel do Couto, brother of the mother.  Madrinha is 
Barbara de Jesus (Vieira or Viuva).

Bill Seidler

On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 11:45:03 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Father: Antonio do Couto. Single, from Biscoitos.
> Mom: Rosa Joaquina, single, daughter of Jacinto do Scribble Scrabble and 
> his wife, Joaquina (?) Maria, native of Biscoitos and parishioners of Sao 
> Roque.
>
> Gods: Manuel do Couto, brother da Something of the baptized (I want to say 
> father? but it almost looks like mother - the dad is the Couto), and 
> Barbara de Jesus Vieira.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 8:59 AM > wrote:
>
>> I need help reading the names in this baptism record
>>
>> I think it says Manuel, son of Antonio??? From Biscoitos, and Maria 
>> Lourenca from Biscoitos?. Is it saying they are single? Is it listing her 
>> parents? In the area of the godparents is it referring to a brother? Top 
>> right side of the page. Help Thanks again. Doreen Caetano
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P16.html
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Advice

[William Seidler]

Brian--
If that is the right couple and their daughter Maria, I found Maria Dias on 
the Urzelina Confessional Rois labeled 1929-1931-1933 on the 
SaoJorgeGenealogy.org site.  Look on page 35, entry 228.  It has Maria Dias 
and two children (Elena and Laurentino).  I believe Maria's father is on 
page 37 item 248 listed as Manuel Jorge, his wife Josefa Victorina (her 
name lined out and scrawled with "America") and 6 kids.  The  Jaime Soares 
de Noronha your have on your tree as Laurentino's father is on page 10 
entry 39 with his other kids.  All of these are from the year 1929 part of 
this document.

Bill Seidler

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 3:30:36 PM UTC-7, Mary Bordi wrote:
>
> Brian—
>
> If she did not marry then the baptismal records may be there but hard to 
> find—if she used different “versions” of her name on the records. 
>
> If you are just going by the confession rolls, I don’t know how complete 
> they are or if everyone went to confession. ;)
>
> She could be there. Don’t assume that because you haven’t found her by the 
> name you know, she wasn’t there. Don’t give up!
>
> Mary
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Analytic Advantage  > wrote:
>
>> Its further complicated by the fact that she was never married and had 5 
>> children out of wedlock - so the records are very very hard to find
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 11 June 2019 12:54:45 UTC-5, Mary Bordi wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Analytic Advantage  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> > I don't have any information on them other than their names.  What 
>>> does that say? It's their names and the town but I'm having a hard time 
>>> reading it.  (if you dont mind)
>>>
>>> A quick recap of some of the info since the names are not exact—
>>>
>>> On 4 May 1903 Manuel Jorge married Josefa Victorina in the church of Sao 
>>> Mateus in Urzelina. They were both baptized and lived in the parish, in 
>>>  Ribeira de Nabo, part of Urzelina.
>>>
>>> His father was pai incognito (unknown). His mother was Josefa Dias.
>>>
>>> Her father was Manuel Victorino and her mother was Ana Joaquina. 
>>>
>>> Hope that helps. 
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
>>> PS I used the Sao Jorge Marriage index to find this
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>







 I don't have any information on them other than their names.  What does 
 that say? It's their names and the town but I'm having a hard time reading 
 it.  (if you dont mind)


 On Tuesday, 11 June 2019 11:54:38 UTC-5, Mary Bordi wrote:
>
> Could these be her parents? Or do you already have their marriage? 
> (Lefthand page)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1900-1911_item1/P18.html
>
> Mary
>
> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Analytic Advantage  
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all.  I've been pouring over Sao Jorge confession rolls, and I 
>> have a decent amount of information about my great grandmother.  
>> However, 
>> it appears she was born either on another island, or town (In case I 
>> overlooked it).  She did not appear on documents in Sao Jorge(Urzelina) 
>> until 1927, when she had a son.  Whats the best and most efficient way 
>> to 
>> begin tracking down what island she was born?
>>
>> Information: (some of this may be wrong)
>>
>> Maria De Lordes Dias
>> Born June 5? 1906, location unknown.  Death unknown (Urzelina)
>> Parents: Josefina & Manuel Jorge Dias, birth and death dates 
>> unknown.  Unable to find in Urzelina confession rolls.
>> Children:  Helena, Laurentino, Fernando Jorge, Raul (alive), Ilda 
>> Lucilla (alive)
>> Siblings (the weakest information): Manuel, Jose, Americo, Artesia
>> Moved to Urzelina in 1926/1927
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>> amazing.  I appreciate any response.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Advice

[William Seidler]

Hello Brian,

I think it likely Mary Bordi found the correct couple.  They had a daughter 
named Maria on 30 May 1904 that may be your Maria.  I've sent you an email 
about this also.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1900-1911_item1/P66.html
 
(Maria, right side).  

Bill Seidler

On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 10:54:45 AM UTC-7, Mary Bordi wrote:
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> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Analytic Advantage  > wrote:
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> > I don't have any information on them other than their names.  What does 
> that say? It's their names and the town but I'm having a hard time reading 
> it.  (if you dont mind)
>
> A quick recap of some of the info since the names are not exact—
>
> On 4 May 1903 Manuel Jorge married Josefa Victorina in the church of Sao 
> Mateus in Urzelina. They were both baptized and lived in the parish, in 
>  Ribeira de Nabo, part of Urzelina.
>
> His father was pai incognito (unknown). His mother was Josefa Dias.
>
> Her father was Manuel Victorino and her mother was Ana Joaquina. 
>
> Hope that helps. 
>
> Mary
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>> On Tuesday, 11 June 2019 11:54:38 UTC-5, Mary Bordi wrote:
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>>> Could these be her parents? Or do you already have their marriage? 
>>> (Lefthand page)
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>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1900-1911_item1/P18.html
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>>> On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, Analytic Advantage  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey all.  I've been pouring over Sao Jorge confession rolls, and I have 
 a decent amount of information about my great grandmother.  However, it 
 appears she was born either on another island, or town (In case I 
 overlooked it).  She did not appear on documents in Sao Jorge(Urzelina) 
 until 1927, when she had a son.  Whats the best and most efficient way to 
 begin tracking down what island she was born?

 Information: (some of this may be wrong)

 Maria De Lordes Dias
 Born June 5? 1906, location unknown.  Death unknown (Urzelina)
 Parents: Josefina & Manuel Jorge Dias, birth and death dates unknown.  
 Unable to find in Urzelina confession rolls.
 Children:  Helena, Laurentino, Fernando Jorge, Raul (alive), Ilda 
 Lucilla (alive)
 Siblings (the weakest information): Manuel, Jose, Americo, Artesia
 Moved to Urzelina in 1926/1927

 This is the biggest fish in my pond, so ANY information would be 
 amazing.  I appreciate any response.

 - Brian 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help Costa Pimental families

[William Seidler]

Below is my take on the parent and grandparent names for Ermalinda, José, 
and two named João.  I see no indication that they are related to each 
other or the family you seek.  The link you provided to a record for 
"Conceição" has no Conceição that I can see on that page.  The closest I 
see is an exposto (male foundling) named Cornelio.


Hermalinda (sp?) Born 18 Jul 1867 and baptized on 21 July 1867

Father: Francisco Jose de Machado, natural of Santo Antonio, Magdalena, 
Island of Pico

Mother: Maria de Jesus, natural of this parish. Parents married in this 
parish where they live.

Paternal grandparents: Manuel Gonçalves Ferreira and Maria? Eulalia?

Maternal grandparents: João José da Costa and Maria de Jesus

 

José: Born 20 Nov 1869 and baptized on 25 Nov 1869

Father: José Francisco Abreu 

Mother: Rita Thomasia; both parents natural of this parish where they live 
and were married.

Paternal grandparents: Francisco Antonio Abreu and Maria de Jesus

Maternal grandparents: José Noresio? de Simas and Maria Thomasia

 

1st João: Born 21 Oct 1871 and baptized on 25 Oct 1871

Father: José Caetano Simião

Mother: Anna de Jesus Carvalho; both parents natural of this parish

Paternal Grandparents: Manuel Caetano Simião and Anna Emilia

Maternal Grandparents: João Furtado Carvalho and Ignacia de Jesus

 

2nd João: Born 15 Nov 1871 and baptized on 19 Nov 1871.

Father: Antonio Caetano Noia

Mother: Rosa de Jesus; both parents natural of this parish

Paternal grandparents: José Caetano Noia e Maria de Jesus

Maternal grandparents: José Coelho Salvador and Margarida de Jesus


I hope you find some help in this.  Hopefully following Cheri's advice you 
can find a more definitive record connection.


Bill Seidler

On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 11:23:40 AM UTC-7, Janet Carminati wrote:
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> Hello Cheri, 
> Thanks for the advice on how to work backwards. I don’t have any 
> information on their marriages (except those that married in CA) so might 
> be at a dead end but will keep at it!  Could you please let me know what 
> the parent and grandparents names are in the 3 records as I can’t make them 
> out?   
> Thanks again, 
> Janet

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help

[William Seidler]

I believe Sam has it all correct.  The word is Freguesa (sp?) which 
parishioner.  It also says she died without sacraments because she drowned 
in the ocean.

Bill Seidler

On Friday, May 31, 2019 at 5:17:17 PM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
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> Liz;  Here’s my go at it:
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> On the 7th day of the month of February of the year 1832 present life 
> passed away Umbelina Rosa, married with Antonio Correa Soares (Figuera? I 
> think this might be freguisia or something like that – meaning member of 
> the church) of this Santa Cruz of the age of 37 years with sacraments for 
> the dead  
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> Buried on day 8 of this month in this church.  That’s the important stuff 
> and I can really figure out the rest.  The side note just means she was 
> married to Antonio Correa Soares when she died.
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> I have a lot of Soares in my lines but; not from Santa Cruz.
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> *From: *Elizabeth Migliori 
> *Sent: *Friday, May 31, 2019 4:35 PM
> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help
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> Could someone please translate the death on bottom left side.
>
> Does the 2 names in the column on the right mean that both died on same 
> day?
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> Thank You 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa 1840 baptism.

[William Seidler]

I think you're right.  At least the end of the name seems clear.  Thank you 
both.

Bill

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:48:46 AM UTC-7, JR wrote:

> Yes, I agree, Marianno it is.
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> JR
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> On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 12:10:56 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
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>> Marianno?
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 8:45 PM William Seidler  
>> wrote:
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>>> I am hoping someone can make out the child''s name.  The bleed through 
>>> from the opposite page is too disruptive for me.
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>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1833-1841/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1833-1841_item1/P123.html
>>>  (top 
>>> right)
>>>
>>> I can see that he is a son of my wife's ancestor Antonio Jose Cordeiro 
>>> and his second wife Maria Joaquina.  Paternal grandparents Manuel Jose 
>>> Cordeiro and Antonia and maternal of Francisco Nunes and Anna Maria.  He 
>>> was born on 4 Oct 1840 and baptized on the 11th of the same month.  I just 
>>> can't settle on the child's first name.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Bill Seidler
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[AZORES-Genealogy] São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa 1840 baptism.

[William Seidler]

I am hoping someone can make out the child''s name.  The bleed through from 
the opposite page is too disruptive for me.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1833-1841/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1833-1841_item1/P123.html
 (top 
right)

I can see that he is a son of my wife's ancestor Antonio Jose Cordeiro and 
his second wife Maria Joaquina.  Paternal grandparents Manuel Jose Cordeiro 
and Antonia and maternal of Francisco Nunes and Anna Maria.  He was born on 
4 Oct 1840 and baptized on the 11th of the same month.  I just can't settle 
on the child's first name.

Thank you,
Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with cause of death - Domingos do Rego

[William Seidler]

I don't think that is "hu", but rather "em" (with interference from the "f" 
in "afogado" on the line above.

I thinks it says ...morreu afogado e não consta aparacer (actually looks 
like "apareller"?) mais ?? fiz este assento em quinze do dito mez era 
freguese deste matriz"

I think it says he was not seen again.  Hopefully this lame attempt doesn't 
get the real Portuguese speakers (such as my wife) laughing too much.

Bill 

On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 4:17:41 PM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
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> Thanks Bill. What about after that, do you see anything about his body not 
> being recovered? I think I see the word hú and quinze but can't make out 
> the words before and after those.
>
> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 18:33, William Seidler  > wrote:
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>> I believe it says he was on a fishing boat (barco pescaria) from Nordeste 
>> that overturned (revirou?) and he died by drowning (afogado).  
>>
>> Bill Seidler
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>> On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 12:43:51 PM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> I need some help with the cause of death for Domingos do Rego (3rd 
>>> record). After the sentence "marido de Clara de Fonseca", it says something 
>>> about how he died. I can make out some of it " vindo um 
>>> .barco..revirou, e morreo afogado e não conta aparecer 
>>> mais (?)" This is my 7th great uncle. Many of my ancestors died at sea, 
>>> including my grandfather but this is the first time I see it in a death 
>>> record.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-O-1686-1731/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-O-1686-1731_item1/P119.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with cause of death - Domingos do Rego

[William Seidler]

I believe it says he was on a fishing boat (barco pescaria) from Nordeste 
that overturned (revirou?) and he died by drowning (afogado).  

Bill Seidler

On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 12:43:51 PM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> I need some help with the cause of death for Domingos do Rego (3rd 
> record). After the sentence "marido de Clara de Fonseca", it says something 
> about how he died. I can make out some of it " vindo um 
> .barco..revirou, e morreo afogado e não conta aparecer 
> mais (?)" This is my 7th great uncle. Many of my ancestors died at sea, 
> including my grandfather but this is the first time I see it in a death 
> record.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-O-1686-1731/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-O-1686-1731_item1/P119.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Roadblocks in my tree (Cordeiro, Dias, Sequeira) Sao Jorge, Graciosa, maybe Pico

[William Seidler]

I just checked Zulmira's baptism which says her father is natural of 
Almagreira, Ilha do Pico (Not Santa Maria).  This agrees with the marriage 
that Rosemarie found because Almagreira is a locality within the parish of 
Lajes.  This is different than the Almagreira on Santa Maria which is a 
parish.

Bill Seidler

On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 1:37:04 PM UTC-7, William Seidler wrote:
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> Hello,
>
>
> Antonio's first wife is Antonia de Jesus and she is your ancestor (mother 
> of Francisco).  She died 10 Sep 1833 and Antonio married at least once more 
> after that.  Here is their marriage:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825_item1/P81.html
>
> Do you have a source for Francisco José Cordeiro dying in 1887?  On Maria 
> Isabel's obit in 1901 it says she is married to him.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911_item1/P14.html
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 8:31:13 AM UTC-7, Analytic Advantage wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> After 4 years of working on my tree, I've hit some major roadblocks.  Is 
>> it worth hiring a genealogist?  My Portuguese is terrible and I live in 
>> Mexico.
>>
>> These are the spots I'm stuck.  ANY information is eagerly accepted.  
>>
>>
>> 1. 
>>
>> Antonio Jose Cordeiro, Matriz Graciosa (my 
>> great-great-great-great-grandfather)
>> Wife I: Unknown
>> Wife II: Unknown
>> Son: Francisco Jose Baptista Cordeiro (1828 - 1887) with first wife, 
>> Francisco wife: Maria Isabel Cordeiro.  They end up in Urzelina (SJ) in 
>> 1852 ish
>> Profession: Carpenter
>>
>> 2. 
>>
>> Joao Severino Sequiera & Maria Severino da Mota Sequeira
>> Born Almagreira, 
>> <https://www.myheritage.com/pedigree-map/253835631?place=Almagreira%2C+Azores%2C+Portugal&individualId=151&perimeter=e>
>>  Santa 
>> Maria
>> Daughter:  Zulmira Bernardete (Married name Cordeiro), born 1892 in 
>> Urzelina
>>
>> I have Zulmiras children and descendants but anything about her parents, 
>> siblings, aunts, uncles...anything really
>>
>> 3.
>>
>> Maria De Lordes Dias
>> Born 1895, Urzelina (I'm not sure if this is correct)
>> Parents: Manuel Jorge Dias and Josefina Dias, unknown birthplace 
>> (probably sao jorge, graciosa or Pico).
>>
>> I would also gladly welcome any old photos of Urzelina, the people that 
>> lived there .. really anything.  I've been able to locate ancestors etc in 
>> group ohotos, so you never know.
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Roadblocks in my tree (Cordeiro, Dias, Sequeira) Sao Jorge, Graciosa, maybe Pico

[William Seidler]

Hello,


Antonio's first wife is Antonia de Jesus and she is your ancestor (mother 
of Francisco).  She died 10 Sep 1833 and Antonio married at least once more 
after that.  Here is their marriage:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825_item1/P81.html

Do you have a source for Francisco José Cordeiro dying in 1887?  On Maria 
Isabel's obit in 1901 it says she is married to him.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911_item1/P14.html

Bill Seidler



On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 8:31:13 AM UTC-7, Analytic Advantage wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> After 4 years of working on my tree, I've hit some major roadblocks.  Is 
> it worth hiring a genealogist?  My Portuguese is terrible and I live in 
> Mexico.
>
> These are the spots I'm stuck.  ANY information is eagerly accepted.  
>
>
> 1. 
>
> Antonio Jose Cordeiro, Matriz Graciosa (my 
> great-great-great-great-grandfather)
> Wife I: Unknown
> Wife II: Unknown
> Son: Francisco Jose Baptista Cordeiro (1828 - 1887) with first wife, 
> Francisco wife: Maria Isabel Cordeiro.  They end up in Urzelina (SJ) in 
> 1852 ish
> Profession: Carpenter
>
> 2. 
>
> Joao Severino Sequiera & Maria Severino da Mota Sequeira
> Born Almagreira, 
> 
>  Santa 
> Maria
> Daughter:  Zulmira Bernardete (Married name Cordeiro), born 1892 in 
> Urzelina
>
> I have Zulmiras children and descendants but anything about her parents, 
> siblings, aunts, uncles...anything really
>
> 3.
>
> Maria De Lordes Dias
> Born 1895, Urzelina (I'm not sure if this is correct)
> Parents: Manuel Jorge Dias and Josefina Dias, unknown birthplace (probably 
> sao jorge, graciosa or Pico).
>
> I would also gladly welcome any old photos of Urzelina, the people that 
> lived there .. really anything.  I've been able to locate ancestors etc in 
> group ohotos, so you never know.
>
> Thanks!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side margin help please, Sao Pedro, Santa Maria

[William Seidler]

Here is his baptism.  The margin note on the next page that shows him 
marrying Ludovina de Lourdes Rezendes confirms it. (#31 bottom right)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P19.html

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 11:14:51 PM UTC-7, William Seidler wrote:
>
> It looks to me like José Ricardo, 33 years old, son of José Ricardo and 
> Maria José (?do Rego?) and that it took place on 23 Jun (presumably 1934) 
> and the note is dated 24 Jun 1934.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 9:37:09 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I think so. He was 33 years old. I'm not sure if it happened in 
>> 1934 or not.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 5:38 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can sks help me with the translation of the side note on this one.  
>>> Right side, bottom, Ludovina.  I think it is talking about who she married 
>>> and when?  
>>>
>>> Is that Jose Resendes?  Thanks in advance for any and all help.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P105.html
>>>
>>>  
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side margin help please, Sao Pedro, Santa Maria

[William Seidler]

It looks to me like José Ricardo, 33 years old, son of José Ricardo and 
Maria José (?do Rego?) and that it took place on 23 Jun (presumably 1934) 
and the note is dated 24 Jun 1934.

Bill Seidler

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 9:37:09 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Yeah, I think so. He was 33 years old. I'm not sure if it happened in 1934 
> or not.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 5:38 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Can sks help me with the translation of the side note on this one.  Right 
>> side, bottom, Ludovina.  I think it is talking about who she married and 
>> when?  
>>
>> Is that Jose Resendes?  Thanks in advance for any and all help.
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P105.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Beginning My Search

[William Seidler]

Just in case you still use this email address from 8 years ago,  I think I 
have found the connection to show that your great great grandfather 
Francisco P. Mello and my great grandfather Ventura P. Mello were 
brothers.  Please respond if you would like to compare notes.

Bill Seidler

On Friday, February 25, 2011 at 9:17:47 AM UTC-8, Edward Mello wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Judi Phillips  > wrote:
>
>> You need to find what village in Sao Miguel they are from.  It looks like 
>> they settled in the Cambridge, Ma. area from your tree.  I found an 
>> immigration record in 1916 for a Ventura P Mello coming to join his brother 
>> Francisco P Mello at 2360 Massachusetts Ave., N. Cambridge, MA.  If this is 
>> his brother, they were born in Rabo de Peixe, small village on the north 
>> coast of Sao Miguel in Ribeira Grande.  You can search the microfilms for 
>> Rabo de Peixe for Francisco P(Pacheco?) Mello's brith around 1871.  The 
>> marriage in the 1890's are not on film yet.  Good luck.
>> Judi
>>  
>> --
>>
>> Hi Judi,
>
> Thanks for the great information. I have a marriage record from my great 
> grandfather, Edward. It says his residence at the time of marriage is in 
> Cambridge at Alberta Terrace. I will have to research to see if that was on 
> Massachusetts Ave or if it is a street address in itself. I don't know that 
> my great grandfather still lived with his parents but I am sure there is a 
> good chance. The marriage was in 1915. I will have to try and see if my 
> family knew of a brother Ventura.
>
> Thanks again, I really appreciate your help. I have only been in the group 
> a few days and the members have been really incredible.
>
> Ed
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