Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Carreiro was from St Miguel and born 1889, cannot find any records. Any suggestions?

['cmurray56' via Azores Genealogy]

sorry i couldnt help Ron  , good luck with youre search  

On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 1:32:48 AM UTC+10, Ron Carreiro wrote:
>
>
>
> Thank you for the response,
> I have learned the following, Manuel was born Nov. 19, 1889, died 1959, 
> arrived U.S on ship Canopio Aug 11 1912. He was born in Agua Retorta, Azores
> He was married to Rose/Rosa Cabral on Nov 25 1911, She was born in 1888 in 
> Agua Retorta St Miguel and died in MA in 1966 She arrived US July 28 1916 
> on ship cretic  or oretic
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cheri Mello >
> To: Azores Genealogy >
> Sent: Tue, Jun 12, 2018 12:53 pm
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Carreiro was from St Miguel and 
> born 1889, cannot find any records. Any suggestions?
>
> Ron C,
>
> There are about 70 freguesias (villages) on Sao Miguel island and all of 
> them will have a Manuel born in 1889 to a Carreiro family. For Sao Miguel 
> island, you need to find the freguesia. So you need to exhaust all records 
> in America. What research have you done on your Manuel in America? Here's a 
> how-to of suggestions on getting started: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar 
> Good luck, Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 6:03 AM, 'Ron Carreiro' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Looking for records on Manuel J. Carreiro
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Carreiro was from St Miguel and born 1889, cannot find any records. Any suggestions?

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On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 2:38:51 AM UTC+10, Ron Carreiro wrote:
>
> Looking for records on Manuel J. Carreiro
>
> Hi Ron ,  I have a record of  a person called Manuel Carreiro from Sao 
Miguel , but the birth date does not match the one you have.

This Manuel Carreiro i have has been traced from Sao Miguel to Australia 
aboard the ship called the 'Water Lily'  . This ship left the Azores and 
went straight to Australia .
Manuel Carreiro that i have travelled on that ship under that name. In 
Australia he used  The surname Muniz and Carreiro , on his marriage 
certificate his name is written Muniz then crossed out and written as 
Carreiro.  He died in Creswick Victoria and is buried there , D 1882  aged 
55yrs.  

The birth date that you have is different to this Manuel Carreiro but i 
thought i should give you this information just incase  it might be 
connected to the family member you are looking for. 
Good Luck in youre search 


Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888

Surname: MUNIZ
Given Names: Manuel Carreiro
Event: D
Spouse Surname/Father: Francisco Carri
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Maria REA
Age: 55
Sex: 
Birth Place: 
Death Place: CRESWICK
Year: 1882
Reg Number: 8319
Denomination: 
Parish: 
Fiche: 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA where do I start ?

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Hi Cheri  , 
 Thankyou for youre reply and explaining the way it works and where to find 
it .  Im gratefull for youre help 
Best Wishes 
Chris Murray   

On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 1:25:18 AM UTC+10, Cheri Mello wrote:

> Hi Chris M,
>
> I have never heard of the company that you mention.
>
> If you do an Internet search on Family Tree DNA, it will come up. Or you 
> can just go to your address bar and type: www.familytreedna.com or if 
> that's too long, www.ftdna.com will redirect you to the 
> www.familytreedna.com site.
>
> Scroll down and where it says "Search for a Surname" type: azores
>
> Which test depends of your goal. If you want to trace just your Silva 
> line, for example, you would need to find a male Silva relative to take a 
> Y-DNA test.
>
> If you don't really have a particular goal, you can do a broad overview on 
> ALL your lines. It goes back about 200 years from the birth of the testee. 
> This is Family Tree DNA's Family Finder test.
>
> If your father or any of his siblings are alive, test them. You want to 
> test the oldest generation. If your father nor none of his siblings are 
> alive, test yourself.
>
> Family Finder is $99 USD + $9.95 postage anywhere in the world. 
>
> Cheri Mello
> Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
> Azores DNA Project
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 5:29 AM, 'cmurray56' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri  ,   Is the Family Tree DNA  you mention   the  'Family Search 
>> DNA"?   Can you please tell me where to find the Family Tree DNA?  My 
>> Portuguese ancestry comes from my fathers side, I am a female ,  what sort 
>> of tests should I be looking at ordering please.  Our relative came from 
>> the Azores
>> Best Wishes
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 2:46:36 PM UTC+10, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Family Tree DNA is where most Portuguese people test. Rick was 
>>> mistaken when he said that there weren't quite 932 member. Maybe only 5 are 
>>> overlaps. There are around 930 different members.
>>>
>>> We learn to read records here:
>>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/HowTo_Part_3a.html#reading
>>>
>>> And here:
>>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/examples.html
>>>
>>> And here:
>>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/paleography.html
>>>
>>> And here:
>>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/portuguese_word_list1.html
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA where do I start ?

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Hi Cheri  ,   Is the Family Tree DNA  you mention   the  'Family Search 
DNA"?   Can you please tell me where to find the Family Tree DNA?  My 
Portuguese ancestry comes from my fathers side, I am a female ,  what sort 
of tests should I be looking at ordering please.  Our relative came from 
the Azores
Best Wishes
Chris

On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 2:46:36 PM UTC+10, Cheri Mello wrote:

> Yes, Family Tree DNA is where most Portuguese people test. Rick was 
> mistaken when he said that there weren't quite 932 member. Maybe only 5 are 
> overlaps. There are around 930 different members.
>
> We learn to read records here:
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/HowTo_Part_3a.html#reading
>
> And here:
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/examples.html
>
> And here:
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/paleography.html
>
> And here:
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/portuguese_word_list1.html
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA tests

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Hi Cheri,Thankyou so much for youre reply to my post on the DNA tests.. 
I really appreciate your help and advice
Best Wishes
Chris Murray


































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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Emigration from Azores to Australia

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 Hi JR   ,  I have one answer from the Ancestry boards and im posting it 
for you,  maybe it will help, I cant confirm it is youre Jose.
Best Wishes 
Chris.  
<http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?o=-10&m=&p=localities.oceania.australia.vic.general>
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Jose de Sousa Dourado 
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Posted: 28 Oct 2014 10:28PM 
Classification: Query 
Surnames: 
help needed please for the following person, I am trying to help a person 
trace his ancestors trail in Victoria Australia. I have very little 
information on the person we are looking for but anything at all we would 
be gratefull for. the man we are looking for came from the Azores Isles in 
Portugal to Victoria approx. 1853. He was a miner then returned to the 
Azores. 

JOES de SOUSA DOURADO b Ponta Garca Azores Islands Portugal 
overseas from Portugal approx. 1853 - 1863. 
Thankyou 
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Re: Jose de Sousa Dourado 
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Posted: 28 Oct 2014 11:59PM 
Classification: Query 
Surnames: 
Could this be his return?
No further detail - this from Outward Victorian Shipping from Public 
Records Victoria.
Family Name Given Name Age Ship Name Month Year Destination Film_Mth 
Film_Yr Page 
DOURADO JOSEDES 30 GREAT BRITAIN JUL 1873 LIVERPOOL JUL 1873 006 

   




On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:03:27 AM UTC+11, JR wrote:

> Thank you Maria, Chris , Robyn, Cheri and Eliseu for the very interesting 
> information. To be clear the people that went to Australia are not my 
> ancestors or my wife's. We have a side connection to Jose and Joao de Sousa 
> Dourado. So, according to the information received to date, Jose de Sousa 
> Dourado is the only one that profited from this specific venture. He either 
> returned in April 8, 1862- the year of the second certification, or he 
> ventured out again. Jose never married and lived with his sister Jacinta in 
> Ponta Garca. My wife's grandfather looked after them when they got older 
> and came into some inheritance.
>
> Jose de Sousa Dourado was born in Ponta Garca, Concelho of Vila Franca do 
> Campo, 18 Sep 1828;
> Joao de Sousa Dourado, brother, and co-venturer of said Jose was born same 
> place, 22 Sep 1832;
> Jacinta de Sousa Dourado, sister of said two, was born same place, 14 Jun 
> 1841.
>
> They are children of Antonio de Sousa Dourado and Vitoria Felicia married 
> in Ponta Garca 12 Jul 1824. Said Antonio was born in Porto Formoso abt 1798 
> (if I recall correctly the records are poor condition in the 1798 period) 
> and is the son of Jose de Sousa Dourado and Francisca Inacia de Jesus. They 
> settled in Ponta Garca where Vitoria Inacia if from. 
>
> Maria Elena, there are many Limas in Ponta Garca and Vila Franca, where 
> are yours from?
>
> JR
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 12:11:09 AM UTC-4, Maria wrote:
>>
>> JR:
>>
>> Sorry- the other link I sent had the first 50 names- here's a LINK  with 
>> all the names
>>
>>
>>
>> http://prov.vic.gov.au/search_results?searchid=23&format=freetext&FamilyName=&GivenName=&Ship=Water+lily&Month=0&Monthto=0&Year=0&Yearto=0&SearchSortField1=&SearchSortField2=&SearchRecords=4000&x=27&y=13
>>
>>
>>
>> Maria Elena 
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 10:42 PM, JR  wrote:
>>
>> I am aware of the mass migrations of emigrants from Azores to Brazil and 
>> USA, and to lesser extent other places. Does anyone know if there was 
>> migration to Australia and when?  
&g

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Emigration from Azores to Australia

['cmurray56' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Maria, so pleased to hear from you .  Im still looking for my 
Francisco,  I wish he would appear on a ship.   This would really make a 
great movie
Best Wishes take care my friend
Chris

On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:00:46 AM UTC+11, Maria wrote:

> Chris- yr email made me smile- yes we still searching and isn't it 
> amazing- all of a sudden there's more answers jeep coming.  From  Eliseu's 
> email I learned it was an expedition!  I have to look at the names I've 
> found since I was searching the de lima's because I since have found 
> Furtado's and that name is on the list.  Also need to go to newspaper 
> articles and see what it says about Antonio dosReis because he's linked in 
> with the2 JJ DE LIMA's. This us the stuff for a big movie like the old 
> movie Hawaii- or Roots!!
>
> Take care my friend and kindred in Australia:)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 28, 2014, at 4:05 AM, "'cmurray56' via Azores Genealogy" <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>
> Hi Maria ,  so good to see you are still working on the family,   long 
> time since you sent me the Water Lily passenger list ,  take care 
> Best Wishes 
> Chris
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:52:59 PM UTC+11, Maria wrote:
>
>> Wow!  I am amazed to learn my husbands gr gr grandfather went in the 
>> Water Lily as part of an EXPEDITION  to Australia.  I always wondered how 
>> he and his 2 sons and his brother in law and many other azoreans left the 
>> Azores to go to the Goldfields. I wondered how all that came about because 
>> it had to cost big bucks to be outfitted to go to the goldfields in 
>> Australia.   How can I get more information?  
>>
>> For years I've researched  Antonio Jose de Lima and his two sons who were 
>> on that ship, the Water Lily.  The sons names were Jacinto Jose de  Lima 
>> and Jose Jacinto de Lima.  Antonio's friend named Jacinto Jose Borges was 
>> also on the ship.  He was the godfather to the two sons of Antonio and was 
>> actually his brother in law (married Antonio's wife's sister, Francisca.  
>>
>> I searched the Creswick and Clunes Register in Australia  and found the 2 
>> "boys" listed many times mostly for court cases.  I searched for the names 
>> JJ DE LIMA.  There they were.   The minors took each other to court for 
>> anything little thing.I sent away to Public Records Office Victoria and 
>> received copies of each article where they were mentioned.  This gave me a 
>> lot of insight into their lives, comings and goings.   I received a lot of 
>> help from people on the Rootsweb Goldfields List.  
>>
>> I learned the Two sons became partners in the Humbug Hill Sluicing 
>> Company there in Victoria.  One of them (Jacinto) married an English girl 
>> named  Charlotte Staley but she died within 10 months of the marriage.  I 
>> received  a photo of her grave stone where his name is mentioned. 
>>  Charlotte owned a fruit store there on Albert Street and I have an 
>> advertisement where Jacinto was selling the store and their furnishings 
>> from their upstairs apartment after she died because he was returning to 
>> the Azores.
>>
>> According to our  family stories, they did make money and I believe they 
>> became property owners there in Ponta Delgada.  After Jacinto returned to 
>> the Azores, he married his cousin/niece, Maria Adelaide Da Silva but then 
>>  HE DIED WITHIN 3 months of that marriage.  He sired a son who was given 
>> the exact name as his father.  Fast forward many years later when I was 
>> cleaning out my mother in law's house upon her death- and I found a 32 page 
>> autobiography of Jacinto (the son)  where he described his disappointment 
>> in that his father died and he was not introduced to society as might have 
>> been had he lived.  His mother remarried a man whom  he abhorred and 
>> wouldn't mention it and according to family story, the stepfather 
>> squandered the money.He was also very hurt that his mother sold all the 
>> properties that were his inheritance.  
>>
>> I have photos of the mother  and her sisters and one could see from their 
>> clothing and hair styles and jewelry that they had some wealth.  
>>
>> I've wondered many times about how they were able to go to Australia and 
>> set up business and become part owners in the Sluicing company.  One of the 
>> articles does mentions a Jacinto Dos Reis.  
>>
>> I would like to know more about how the expedition came about; how it was 
>> financed.  They travelled to Australia as "Unass

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Emigration from Azores to Australia

['cmurray56' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Maria ,  so good to see you are still working on the family,   long time 
since you sent me the Water Lily passenger list ,  take care 
Best Wishes 
Chris


On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:52:59 PM UTC+11, Maria wrote:

> Wow!  I am amazed to learn my husbands gr gr grandfather went in the Water 
> Lily as part of an EXPEDITION  to Australia.  I always wondered how he and 
> his 2 sons and his brother in law and many other azoreans left the Azores 
> to go to the Goldfields. I wondered how all that came about because it had 
> to cost big bucks to be outfitted to go to the goldfields in Australia.   
> How can I get more information?  
>
> For years I've researched  Antonio Jose de Lima and his two sons who were 
> on that ship, the Water Lily.  The sons names were Jacinto Jose de  Lima 
> and Jose Jacinto de Lima.  Antonio's friend named Jacinto Jose Borges was 
> also on the ship.  He was the godfather to the two sons of Antonio and was 
> actually his brother in law (married Antonio's wife's sister, Francisca.  
>
> I searched the Creswick and Clunes Register in Australia  and found the 2 
> "boys" listed many times mostly for court cases.  I searched for the names 
> JJ DE LIMA.  There they were.   The minors took each other to court for 
> anything little thing.I sent away to Public Records Office Victoria and 
> received copies of each article where they were mentioned.  This gave me a 
> lot of insight into their lives, comings and goings.   I received a lot of 
> help from people on the Rootsweb Goldfields List.  
>
> I learned the Two sons became partners in the Humbug Hill Sluicing Company 
> there in Victoria.  One of them (Jacinto) married an English girl named 
>  Charlotte Staley but she died within 10 months of the marriage.  I 
> received  a photo of her grave stone where his name is mentioned. 
>  Charlotte owned a fruit store there on Albert Street and I have an 
> advertisement where Jacinto was selling the store and their furnishings 
> from their upstairs apartment after she died because he was returning to 
> the Azores.
>
> According to our  family stories, they did make money and I believe they 
> became property owners there in Ponta Delgada.  After Jacinto returned to 
> the Azores, he married his cousin/niece, Maria Adelaide Da Silva but then 
>  HE DIED WITHIN 3 months of that marriage.  He sired a son who was given 
> the exact name as his father.  Fast forward many years later when I was 
> cleaning out my mother in law's house upon her death- and I found a 32 page 
> autobiography of Jacinto (the son)  where he described his disappointment 
> in that his father died and he was not introduced to society as might have 
> been had he lived.  His mother remarried a man whom  he abhorred and 
> wouldn't mention it and according to family story, the stepfather 
> squandered the money.He was also very hurt that his mother sold all the 
> properties that were his inheritance.  
>
> I have photos of the mother  and her sisters and one could see from their 
> clothing and hair styles and jewelry that they had some wealth.  
>
> I've wondered many times about how they were able to go to Australia and 
> set up business and become part owners in the Sluicing company.  One of the 
> articles does mentions a Jacinto Dos Reis.  
>
> I would like to know more about how the expedition came about; how it was 
> financed.  They travelled to Australia as "Unassisted" passengers, meaning 
> they paid their own passage.  
>
> Thank you for posting about the expedition and the ship and the names. 
>  Any information would be so welcomed.  
>
> Maria Elena 
>
> On Oct 25, 2014, at 11:29 PM, Robyn Horan > 
> wrote:
>
> Hi JR
>
> Some time ago Eliseu Manuel Pacheco da Silva posted this - 
>
> List of Azorean participants in an expedition to New Holland (Australia) 
> to look for Gold.
>
> They left S. Miguel in 28 July 1853 aboard the English boat “Water Lily”. 
> The trip took 108 days. They arrived on the 13th November. The expedition 
> landed in Geelong, main port of Por-Philip, a town as big as Ponta Delgada 
> in the 19th century. Then they took a ship to Melbourn and from there they 
> went to Fores Crick mines.
>
> The adventure was not profitable for them. The investors had a very big 
> loss.
>
> João de Sousa Dourado, from Ponta Graça, was one of the feww who profited 
> from. For a long period of time he received interest on the money he 
> invested there.
>
> Jacinto António dos Reis married there and succeded in Melbourn. They were 
> a well knownand very considered family there.
>
> Commander and ship owner was  Mr. John Busk (he had his wife and little 
> daughter on board).
>
> Crew members:
>
> -  William Percey Notprued Luck - Squire Midshipman, son of an 
> English millionaire
>
>
> -  2 pilots, one English, another American, a master Cook and 7 
> sailors
>
> Passengers were:
>
> From Faial da Terra:
>
> -  Joaquim Pereira
>
> -   Francis

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: The Waterlily

['cmurray56' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Craig,  Alls well with me , hope it is with you as well.  Im still 
searching for my Francisco Joaquim Muniz.  I was given the ships passenger 
list from a good lady that is a member of this site,  her name is Maria 
Lima.  Her ancestors were on the Water Lily and settled in Creswick as gold 
miners and some are buried there.  Will send you a copy of the list from 
the Water Lily,  take care my friend.
Best Wishes 
Chris

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 3:03:30 PM UTC+11, Craig Plunkett wrote:

> Hi Chris 
> Long time no speak hope all is well, 
> I noticed you mentioned you had a copy of the passenger list for the 
> Water lily, 
> May I ask where it was acquired so I can get one as you may know my 
> Manuel is likely on that vessel. 
> Or may I bother you for a copy. 
>
> Thanks 
> Craig 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Emigration from Azores to Australia

['cmurray56' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi JR . 
 There was a ship called 'The Water Lily"  that departed the Azores  for 
Victoria Australia in the 1800's. 
 Many of the people from the Azores went hunting for gold in the gold rush 
in Victoria Australia. I am a decendant of one. 
  My GGG Grandfather came from the Azores to Australia and lived in the 
Ballarat region of Victoria.  He did not come on the Water Lily and im 
still searching for details of his arrival. I have his Australia marriage 
cert but no entry details.
 Maria Lima who is a member of this group , did have relations on the Water 
Lily and she kindly gave me a copy of the ships list.  I will post it as 
soon as I can find it,  with the hope that you may find a name on it of 
your ancestor.   Mariam Lima's ancestors lived in the region of Creswick 
and where miners,  they have their graves there and are registered.  If you 
can give me details of youre ancestor , I will go to the library and check 
the records to see if there are any for him.
Best Wishes
Chris   

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> I am aware of the mass migrations of emigrants from Azores to Brazil and 
> USA, and to lesser extent other places. Does anyone know if there was 
> migration to Australia and when?  
>
> JR
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Moniz Sao Roque

[cmurray56]

Thankyou so much Pam for youre help,   this information you have found will 
help me so much

On Friday, January 31, 2014 3:01:08 PM UTC+11, Pam Santos wrote:
>
> I think somebody was looking for a Joao Moniz in Sao Roque and I do not 
> remember the wifes name but this record was in Sao Miguel, Vila Franca do 
> Campo for a Joao Moniz Machado who was from Sao Roque below is the link
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1811-1814/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1811-1814_item1/P139.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: What is the CCA?

[cmurray56]

Thankyou so much Cheri for this information. I am still searching for my 3 
great grandpa Francisco Joaquim Muniz of Sao Roque.  I will find him one day

On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:06:25 AM UTC+11, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Repost for CMurray, cmurray56 at yahoo.com.au
>
> Can someone please let me know how i get to the CAA , i dont know what it 
> is and how to find it. Thankyou
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Topic. Differance in first names

[cmurray56]

Hi E,   Could you please tell me how to contact Joao Ventura that does
the record searches as i dont know where to? I was going to order the
LDS films but found out they are written in Portuguse which i cant
speak or read. We shared posts on th 5th May about Francisco Joaquim
Muniz b 1835 Sao Roque
Best Wishes
Chris

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> Richard and Chris,
>
> My relatives in Sweden have ordered films from the FHC and it takes a
> little longer and maybe a little more money to receive them but he has been
> able to access the films he was interested in about his/my family from
> Croatia/Italy. I believe you can order them online on the FHC site to be
> sent to the local FHC. However, remember that Joao Ventura can probably
> obtain this information ( him at a minimal charge and you don't pay until
> he finds them and I believe he has paypal now. Might be a lot less
> expensive alternative than ordering films and going to FHC to view them.
> Just a thought.
>
> "E"

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[AZORES-Genealogy] New Topic. Differance in first names

[cmurray56]

Could some one please advise me if the following two names can be
taken as the same meaning, or are they totally different names. I have
two marriage certificates one of each belonging to two brothers. Muniz
brothers from San Roque,  on their marriage certificates their fathers
first name is different, the mothers names are the same.  Their
fathers names are ' Jose'   and the other is  'Francisco'. do these
names have the same meaning? Or would they be two different people?
Best Wishes
Chris

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Books

[cmurray56]

Thankyou so much Bruce for your advice
Best Wishes
Chris

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores books

[cmurray56]

Hi Everyone, any body got any clues of how i can buy these books and
get them shipped to Australia. Amazon USA and Amazon UK dont  ship
much  to Australia. Cant find a way around this. Ancestry UK and
Ancestry.Com are the same, they wont ship to Australia.
Best Wishes
Chris

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Whalers Museum

[cmurray56]

Thankyou all for your replies. Sorry i didnt word my message right,
Yes i did mean was there a list for whalers leaving the Azores? Im
happy to look at any port that the boats went to as my relies could
have easily left Azores on whale boats to any port then got a ship to
Australia. Just cant find them in any ships records. We have six
family members looking for any details of their arrival for years now
with no success.
Best Wishes Chris

On May 15, 7:57 am, sdarosa  wrote:
> Here's the link to the search page
>
> http://www.newbedford-ma.gov/Library/Whaling/Whaling.html
>
> On May 13, 12:55 am, cmurray56  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi,  can you please help me with instructions on how i get to the site
> > for Whalers crews from Azores? Im still trying to find how Francisco J
> > Muniz and Manuel C Muniz got to Australia in the 1800's. It now
> > appears that they may not have been brothers or came from the same
> > Island. Sorry to get off the Williams thread but i had to ask where
> > this site can be found
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Whalers Museum

[cmurray56]

Hi,  can you please help me with instructions on how i get to the site
for Whalers crews from Azores? Im still trying to find how Francisco J
Muniz and Manuel C Muniz got to Australia in the 1800's. It now
appears that they may not have been brothers or came from the same
Island. Sorry to get off the Williams thread but i had to ask where
this site can be found
Best Wishes Chris

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Full Text of the book "The Azores: or Western Islands"

[cmurray56]

Hi Walter, I am very new to this site, i found this book on the
internet and thought it might be of use to someone. I dont know the
history of the writers from America,  re the Azores,  i have no idea
about their thoughts or what they write in their books.   Im sorry if
i upset you. I will not send any more Azores books or other
information i find  to this group , it may upset people and that is
not my intention. Im only trying to share what i find and find my
family history.
Chris

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> Gee, I may be wrong...but isn't Walter F Walker most unkind to the Azores  
> in his comments.  In fact, most American writers were not kind if seemed to  
> me.  
>
> In a message dated 4/4/2011 6:33:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
>
> cmurra...@yahoo.com.au writes:
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> Walter  Fredrick Walker  

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Muniz family in Australia

[cmurray56]

Hi Maria,
Thanks so much for taking the time to lookup my family.
Yes i can get access to PROV , it will be a day trip for me. I have
many times accessed their web site and cant find much on the Muniz
family. I think when i go there i will have a better chance of finding
information. They have staff that will help you for one hour, they
know where to look.
Best Wishes
Chris

On Mar 31, 10:43 am, Maria Lima  wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Next week I will go to Family History Center where I have A few microfilms 
> from  Rosto de Cao, Sao Roque area in search for your ancestors
>
> Did you have either parents name?  
>
> I noticed FrNcisco Joaquim was born in 1838- same year as J J de Lima and 
> your other brother was 1837 and my other ancestor was 1836 so these two sets 
> of brothers were same age, traveled on same ship.  Had to have known each 
> other.  
>
> Have you access to look at the actual microfiche from which names of  
> passengers were copied?  I think they are at PROV.  
>
>   Also, you would think  they had to have some $ to make that journey.  I 
> wonder if your ancestors traveled with parents.  I noticed  the Lima "boys" 
> traveled with father and "godfather".  
>
> I checked copies of newspaper clippings that I received years ago in search 
> for the names of your ancestor but no  mention of your ancestors.     If I 
> cannot fi d them in microfilm, maybe someone on List in the Dartmouth F H C 
> will do a look up.
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Mar 30, 2011, at 3:06 AM, chris murray  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Maria E,
> >  These are the details of the Muniz brothers that left the Azores for 
> > Australia and stayed to build their families.  They are the passengers on 
> > the 'Water Lily
>
> > FRANCISCO JOAQUIM MUNIZ  b 1838,   Sao Roque,Sao Miguel  d  1899  
> > Smythesdale, Victoria, Australia
>
> > Manuel Carreiro Muniz b 1837 ? Sao Roque,Sao Miguel   d  1882 in 
> > Creswick,Victoria,Australia
>
> > Best Wishes
> > Chris
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Muniz brothers from Sao Roque,Mi ? Azores.

[cmurray56]

Hi Maria E,  the two Muniz brothers parents were;
FRANCISCO CARREIRO MUNIZ b 1803   Sao Roque,Sao Miguel
MARIA JOAQUINA REA b 1803 Sao Pedro,Azores
Best Wishes
Chris

On Mar 24, 7:35 am, Maria Lima  wrote:
> Chris:
>
> My husband also had two brothers that were on the Water Lily in 1853 from
> Azores to Australia. They were gold miners in the Crestwick area.  They were
> teen agers also and through researching, I learned they went with their
> father and the father's brother in law.  The names were Jacintho Jose de
> Lima and Jose Jacintho de Lima.  The father was Antonio Jose de Lima and his
> brother in law was J. Borges.
>
> That ship arriving in October (I think) was full of people from the Azores,
> judging from the Portuguese names.  Who knows that our ancestors might have
> known and worked together.  the Lima's were partners in The Humbug Hill
> Sluicing Company.  I don't know what happened to the company.  Both brothers
> returned to the Azores.  One of them married an English girl, Charlotte
> Staley who had an 8 year old son who had passed away.  They were married
> less than a year when Charlotte also died and he buried her in the same
> site; I have picture of the gravestone.  Charlotte was a fruitier and owned
> a store on Albert Street.  Jacintho advertised sale of the store in the
> Crestwick and Clunes Register and Advertiser selling the store and
> belongings and returned to the Azores after her death.
>
> Maybe, we will find some connection.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Maria Elena (Lima)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 8:49 AM, cmurray56  wrote:
> > Please help, i dont know how to find records of people leaving Sao
> > Roque in 1850's.  How do i find these records?
> > Francisco Joaquim Muniz b 1838 Sao Roque
> > d 1899 Smythesdale,victoria,australia
> > Manuel Carreio Muniz b 1827 Sao Roque, d 1882 Creswick, victoria,
> > austrralia
>
> > Parents of the above are;
> > Francisco Carreio Muniz b 1803 Sao,Roque
> > Maria Joaquina b 1803 Sao Pedro
>
> > All the records in Australia are spelt MUNIZ.
> > Thanks
> > Chris
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores, full text of "Archivo do Acores"

[cmurray56]

Hi Maria,  most people that disembarked in Geelong as did our
families, walked to the Goldfields it was a walk of a couple of
hundred miles. My other ancestors that arrived in Geelong in 1854
walked to Smythesdale and had no family there to meet them.  It seems
to me that it depended on what year the ships arrived to what new
found gold field our ancestors walked to. There is a website that has
every single published newspaper in Australia, from every state and
territory, the way to get to it is just google   "Trove" . another
site is "Picture Australia" it has the earliest photo's of Australia.
Many gold mines, workers huts, shops, streets etc.  For Cemetery look
up , eg; photo's , headstones etc. the web site is 'Australian
Cemetery's' . There is also a group called  'RAOK'  Random Acts Of
Kindness,   it is a group of people that will go to cemetery's that
are in their area and will take a photo of a grave and send it to you
via email it is a free service. So we will have to keep checking the
Australia cemetery's site to see if we can find our people. There
should be people in the Creswick, Clunes, Bendigo areas that will do,
RAOK
Best Wishes
Chris

On Mar 29, 11:30 am, Maria Lima  wrote:
> Hi, Chris,
>
> I just realized fm your post,  that you did, in fact find your ancestors on 
> the Water Lily. WOW!  So they probably knew each other.  There had to be some 
> serious planning and money to leave the Azores for the Goldfields.  As I 
> recall, they arrived in Melbourne and had to get transport to goldfields.  
> They must have had some contact with someone in Australia that took them to 
> Creswick area.  (why not Bendigo?)
>
> I found  the 2 Lima brothers through the Creswick and Clunes advertiser and 
> Reporter.  That was several yrs ago; last week when I got your email, I went 
> back and it's more complicated now.  it looks like Rootsweb has taken over-  
> when u enter in the name into the Creswick and Clunes site, it takes u to a 
> Rootsweb page.    Because the 2 Lima brothers were listed 18 times in the 
> newspaper, -the miners took each other to court for any reason- I was able to 
> write and even call and got copies of the newspaper articles each time they 
> appeared with all the detail.   That was a great day when I got that package 
> with all those articles.  There were court cases where Jacintho was in a 
> fight with another guy over turning on the water race. There were ads- 
> especially sad when Jacintho advertised sale of His deceased wife's 
> fruit/confectionery store as he was leaving country.  I felt he was broken 
> and "going home".     There was a wonderful lady fm the Goldfields List 
> (Brenda) who helped me and was an Angel helping me.  
>
> Give me the names of the ancestors again and I will see if they are mentioned 
> in any of the articles.
>
> It appears (fm your dates) that your ancestors remained in Australia, settled 
> and raised families and left a posterity- where do u tie in to them?  
>
> My husbands gr gr grandfathers returned to the Azorws.  I could not find them 
> leaving, though.  I also believe their father and his brother in law, j j 
> Borges, went to Hong Kong to buy the "water race" pipes they used at the 
> Humbughill Sluicing Company.
>
> It was through a member of this list, Shirley Allegre, that I learned that 
> when  the ancestor was being married in the Azores and the priest recorded he 
> was widower of Dona Carlota Augusta, buried in (?)Australia.  That was the 
> key that sent me to the goldfields.  Up to that time, it was just heresy from 
> my mother in law that there were 2 brothers who were goldminers in Australia. 
>  But she did not know anything else.
>
> I always wished I could find more on what role the father, Antonio Jose De 
> Lima and Jacintho Jose Borges played in setting up the sons in business.  I 
> know  Jose  spoke English and he is the one who married Charlotte Staley.  It 
> appeared her name was not Carlota Augusta, but Charlotte Staley.  Her first 
> husband could not be found in your Pioneer Index.
>
> Can u imagine that  these ancestors might have known each other and shared 
> those experiences.
>
> Warm regards,  
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Mar 28, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Manoel Cesar  wrote:
>
>
>
> > There´s another link for the Arquivo dos Açores online:
>
> >http://www.arquivodosacores.com/index.php
>
> > Manoel
>
> > 2011/3/28 cmurray56 :
> >> This book is now out of copyright, avaiable to all to read , copy,
> >> save etc.
>
> >>http://www.archive.org/stream/archivodosaores02cantgoog/archivodosaor...
>
> >> I cant read Portuguese but my ancestors left Azores on the ship &#

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores, full text of "Archivo do Acores"

[cmurray56]

Im Sorry that the web address didnt work on your computer, im trying
to add to this group by sending information that i find in Australia
Best Wishes
Chris  (Christine)

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> Can't do a thing with this address   Toni
>
> In a message dated 3/28/2011 12:26:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
>
> tish.me...@gmail.com writes:
>
> http://www.archive.org/stream/archivodosaores02cantgoog/archivodosaor...
> tgoog_djvu.txt

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores, full text of "Archivo do Acores"

[cmurray56]

Hi Manoel, thanks for your advice, i will try to see what i can do, to
the people that my forward web address didnt work im sorry, i was so
happy to find a book that you all could share, thanks again Manoel for
your reply
Best Wishes
Chris

On Mar 29, 10:21 am, Manoel Cesar  wrote:
> There´s another link for the Arquivo dos Açores online:
>
> http://www.arquivodosacores.com/index.php
>
> Manoel
>
> 2011/3/28 cmurray56 :
>
>
>
> > This book is now out of copyright, avaiable to all to read , copy,
> > save etc.
>
> >http://www.archive.org/stream/archivodosaores02cantgoog/archivodosaor...
>
> > I cant read Portuguese but my ancestors left Azores on the ship 'Water
> > Lily' 1853 for Australia, Many thanks to Maria Elna for sharing the
> > details with me last week, due to her kindness i have found this book
> > and will share with everyone. One day i may be able to get a
> > translation of it. I hope it is of help to you all that are looking
> > for answers, the site it comes from has many books that have many
> > subjects and all books are out of copyright and are free digital
> > copies
> > Best Wishes
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores, full text of "Archivo do Acores"

[cmurray56]

Hi Maria,  I have got some official govenrment details about your
family that lived in Victoria,Australia. They come off the "Digger
Disc's" , you know of the pioneer set of disc's as some kind Aussie
has sent you details. Im still learning how to go about finding my
family and more often i have alot of help from kind people, then again
people that have mastered the genealogy search can be a bit short
tempered with beginners like me. I have been doing this for only two
years..

DELIMA ANTONIO b 1883 father Antonio DELIMA mother Mary OSHANASSY
registration number 3213
DELIMA PETER MIRIAM b 1885 father Antonio DELIMA mother Mary OSHANASSY
registration number 14015
DELIMA MARY ANNE b 1887 father Antonio DELIMA  mother Mary OSHANASSY.
DELIMA ANTONIO b 1882  father Antonio DELIMA mother Mary OSHANASSY
registration number 515.
That is the list from the PIONEER INDEX, VICTORIA 1836-1888
I will send you the other index's soon
Best Wishes
Chris
PS just got some information sent to me today that links our family to
the ANESELMO family from the island of 'Sao Miguel Emerald Island of
the Azores Portugal'

On Mar 29, 9:52 am, Maria Lima  wrote:
> Thank you Chris
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Mar 28, 2011, at 4:53 AM, cmurray56  wrote:
>
>
>
> > This book is now out of copyright, avaiable to all to read , copy,
> > save etc.
>
> >http://www.archive.org/stream/archivodosaores02cantgoog/archivodosaor...
>
> > I cant read Portuguese but my ancestors left Azores on the ship 'Water
> > Lily' 1853 for Australia, Many thanks to Maria Elna for sharing the
> > details with me last week, due to her kindness i have found this book
> > and will share with everyone. One day i may be able to get a
> > translation of it. I hope it is of help to you all that are looking
> > for answers, the site it comes from has many books that have many
> > subjects and all books are out of copyright and are free digital
> > copies
> > Best Wishes
> > Chris
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores, full text of "Archivo do Acores"

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her and shared 
> those experiences.
>
> Warm regards,  
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Mar 28, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Manoel Cesar  wrote:
>
>
>
> > There´s another link for the Arquivo dos Açores online:
>
> >http://www.arquivodosacores.com/index.php
>
> > Manoel
>
> > 2011/3/28 cmurray56 :
> >> This book is now out of copyright, avaiable to all to read , copy,
> >> save etc.
>
> >>http://www.archive.org/stream/archivodosaores02cantgoog/archivodosaor...
>
> >> I cant read Portuguese but my ancestors left Azores on the ship 'Water
> >> Lily' 1853 for Australia, Many thanks to Maria Elna for sharing the
> >> details with me last week, due to her kindness i have found this book
> >> and will share with everyone. One day i may be able to get a
> >> translation of it. I hope it is of help to you all that are looking
> >> for answers, the site it comes from has many books that have many
> >> subjects and all books are out of copyright and are free digital
> >> copies
> >> Best Wishes
> >> Chris
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores, full text of "Archivo do Acores"

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This book is now out of copyright, avaiable to all to read , copy,
save etc.

http://www.archive.org/stream/archivodosaores02cantgoog/archivodosaores02cantgoog_djvu.txt

I cant read Portuguese but my ancestors left Azores on the ship 'Water
Lily' 1853 for Australia, Many thanks to Maria Elna for sharing the
details with me last week, due to her kindness i have found this book
and will share with everyone. One day i may be able to get a
translation of it. I hope it is of help to you all that are looking
for answers, the site it comes from has many books that have many
subjects and all books are out of copyright and are free digital
copies
Best Wishes
Chris

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Muniz brothers from Sao Roque,Mi ? Azores.

[cmurray56]

Hi Maria, I cant thankyou enough for your reply. Its so great to
finaly find some details of the arrival of Portuguse people to
Australia. Francisco J Muniz was a store keeper and miner at
Smythesdale and i do know of members of the Muniz family buried at
Creswick. I do know that Francisco had shares in a gold mine. I do
know that Manuel Carreiro Muniz died in Creswick in 1882, his wife was
Louisa Sims. In April there is a gathering of Pioneer family
desendants at Smythesdale Botanical Gardens, it is to celebrate 150
years since families arrived and settled into the area. I hope to meet
up with people that may be related. I do know that there is a living
Muiz in the area who is a member of the historical society that will
be there on the day. I would like to contact you by email to compare
notes. Thankyou so much, Best Wishes
Chris

On Mar 24, 7:35 am, Maria Lima  wrote:
> Chris:
>
> My husband also had two brothers that were on the Water Lily in 1853 from
> Azores to Australia. They were gold miners in the Crestwick area.  They were
> teen agers also and through researching, I learned they went with their
> father and the father's brother in law.  The names were Jacintho Jose de
> Lima and Jose Jacintho de Lima.  The father was Antonio Jose de Lima and his
> brother in law was J. Borges.
>
> That ship arriving in October (I think) was full of people from the Azores,
> judging from the Portuguese names.  Who knows that our ancestors might have
> known and worked together.  the Lima's were partners in The Humbug Hill
> Sluicing Company.  I don't know what happened to the company.  Both brothers
> returned to the Azores.  One of them married an English girl, Charlotte
> Staley who had an 8 year old son who had passed away.  They were married
> less than a year when Charlotte also died and he buried her in the same
> site; I have picture of the gravestone.  Charlotte was a fruitier and owned
> a store on Albert Street.  Jacintho advertised sale of the store in the
> Crestwick and Clunes Register and Advertiser selling the store and
> belongings and returned to the Azores after her death.
>
> Maybe, we will find some connection.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Maria Elena (Lima)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 8:49 AM, cmurray56  wrote:
> > Please help, i dont know how to find records of people leaving Sao
> > Roque in 1850's.  How do i find these records?
> > Francisco Joaquim Muniz b 1838 Sao Roque
> > d 1899 Smythesdale,victoria,australia
> > Manuel Carreio Muniz b 1827 Sao Roque, d 1882 Creswick, victoria,
> > austrralia
>
> > Parents of the above are;
> > Francisco Carreio Muniz b 1803 Sao,Roque
> > Maria Joaquina b 1803 Sao Pedro
>
> > All the records in Australia are spelt MUNIZ.
> > Thanks
> > Chris
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Muniz brothers from Sao Roque,Mi ? Azores.

[cmurray56]

Thanks Cheri, I dont know which island just the details that i posted
and their parents details dont help either. Thanks for your
information
Best Wishes
Chris

On Mar 23, 3:54 am, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> Sao Roque on which island?  Some people may say Sao Roque referring to the
> church (there's one on Sao Miguel and Terceria) or to the freguesia of Sao
> Roque (on Pico).
>
> If it's Sao Roque the church in Rosto de Cao on S.Miguel, records leaving
> the port of Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel don't exist.
> If it's Sao Roque the church in Altares, records leaving the port of Angra
> on the island of Terceira do exist, but they are not online.  You will need
> someone to do a look up for you.
> If it's Sao Roque the church AND freguesia on Pico, they might have left the
> port of Horta on Faial.  They are not online and I'm not sure if they go
> back to the 1850s.  If they do, you will need someone to do a lookup for
> you.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
> Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Muniz brothers from Sao Roque,Mi ? Azores.

[cmurray56]

Please help, i dont know how to find records of people leaving Sao
Roque in 1850's.  How do i find these records?
Francisco Joaquim Muniz b 1838 Sao Roque
d 1899 Smythesdale,victoria,australia
Manuel Carreio Muniz b 1827 Sao Roque, d 1882 Creswick, victoria,
austrralia

Parents of the above are;
Francisco Carreio Muniz b 1803 Sao,Roque
Maria Joaquina b 1803 Sao Pedro

All the records in Australia are spelt MUNIZ.
Thanks
Chris

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[AZORES-Genealogy] CCA

[cmurray56]

Hi everyone,
Im very new to this site. Can you please tell me how i can access the
'CCA'  records?
Best Wishes
Chris

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Francisco J G Muniz

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Hi Linda, Thanks so much for your reply, Its realy great to meet you
all. I will have to send you a bit more detail of my family, there's
not much more , about six more people
Best Wishes
Chris

On Jan 18, 3:48 pm, "Linda Norton"  wrote:
> Thank you Bruce, I was going to say to Cheri, she must have overlooked that
> town in Sao Miguel. My ggrandfather Manuel de Andrade de Almedia Rodrigues
> was from there.
>
> Chris, I have de Sousa as well, but need to see if we are connected on that
> line. I will email you directly.
>
> My cousin Suzanne Carreiro is a de Sousa as well, she hasn't been on line,
> but I will reach out and see if she is connected on the Carreiro side. I
> also have a cousin Carlos Carreiro from Fall River, MA;  mother was
> Estrelinha and Evaristo Carreiro from Sao Miguel. They lived in Ponta
> Delgada, Sao Miguel.
>
>   _  
>
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Bruce A. Tavares
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 11:08 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco J G Muniz
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> There is also a village named Sao Roque on the Island of Sao Miguel, [St.
> Michael]. It is the next village east of the capital, [Ponta Delgada]. I've
> been to the beach in that village. Very nice!
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?rlz=1T4GWYE_enUS252US252
>  &um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Sao+Roque,+Portugal&gl=us&ei=TBczTf_9K4KC8gaQrrTYC­A
> &sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ8gEwAA>
> &q=sao+roque+sao+miguel&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Sao+Roque,+Portugal&gl=us&e­i
> =TBczTf_9K4KC8gaQrrTYCA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ8­g
> EwAA
>
> Take care,
>
> Bruce Tavares
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 01:08:07 -0800
> > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco J G Muniz
> > From: cmurra...@yahoo.com.au
> > To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> > Hi all this is my first post so please excuse any mistakes. I am
> > trying to trace my gg grandfathers family in Azores. Following is most
> > of the information i have, I i dont know when he got to Australia.
> > Help needed please to find out about his family.
>
> > FRANCISCO JOAQUIM MUNIZ b 1838 Sao Roque,Azores,Portugal, m AGNES
> > MIRK 1859 Smythesdale,Victoria Australia d 1899
> > Smythesdale,Victoria,Australia. They had 8 children
> > father of Francisco is; FRANCISCO CARREIRO MUNIZ b 1803 Sao
> > Roque,Azores. mother, MARIA JOAQUINA REA b 1803 Sao Pedro,Azores.
> > father of Francisco C ; FRANCISCO MUNIZ b Asturias,Spain
> > mother; FRANCISCA JACINTA DE SOUSA b 1780 Sao Pedro,Azores
>
> > I hope someone knows of this family and can help
> > Best Wishes
> > Chris
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Francisco J G Muniz

[cmurray56]

Hi Bruce , Thanks so much for your reply, i will be stdying the maps
because this is all new to me. It will take awhile but looks like i
will have heaps of help
Best Wishes
Chris

On Jan 17, 3:08 am, "Bruce  A. Tavares"  wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> There is also a village named Sao Roque on the Island of Sao Miguel, [St. 
> Michael]. It is the next village east of the capital, [Ponta Delgada]. I've 
> been to the beach in that village. Very nice!
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?rlz=1T4GWYE_enUS252US252&q=sao+roque+sao+...
>
> Take care,
>
> Bruce Tavares
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 01:08:07 -0800
> > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco J G Muniz
> > From: cmurra...@yahoo.com.au
> > To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> > Hi all this is my first post so please excuse any mistakes. I am
> > trying to trace my gg grandfathers family in Azores. Following is most
> > of the information i have, I i dont know when he got to Australia.
> > Help needed please to find out about his family.
>
> > FRANCISCO JOAQUIM MUNIZ b 1838 Sao Roque,Azores,Portugal, m AGNES
> > MIRK 1859 Smythesdale,Victoria Australia d 1899
> > Smythesdale,Victoria,Australia. They had 8 children
> > father of Francisco is; FRANCISCO CARREIRO MUNIZ b 1803 Sao
> > Roque,Azores. mother, MARIA JOAQUINA REA b 1803 Sao Pedro,Azores.
> > father of Francisco C ; FRANCISCO MUNIZ b Asturias,Spain
> > mother; FRANCISCA JACINTA DE SOUSA b 1780 Sao Pedro,Azores
>
> > I hope someone knows of this family and can help
> > Best Wishes
> > Chris
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Hi Cheri, Thanyou so much for your reply, i will look at the site that
you sent me
Best Wishes
Chris

On Jan 17, 2:13 am, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> Chris,
>
> The village of Sao Roque is on Pico island.  Unless this information refers
> to a church by the same name.  There is a village named Sao Pedro on Santa
> Maria island.  However, I think just about every island has a church named
> Sao Pedro.
>
> Actual Sao Roque records (for that village) are not yet online.  But there's
> a database and you will need to verify what you find with the 
> records:http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=pt Click
>  on
> the British flag and you can search.
>
> Nothing is online for the island of Santa Maria.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
> Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco J G Muniz

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Hi all this is my first post so please excuse any mistakes. I am
trying to trace my gg grandfathers family in Azores. Following is most
of the information i have, I i dont know when he got to Australia.
Help needed please to find out about his family.

FRANCISCO JOAQUIM MUNIZ  b 1838 Sao Roque,Azores,Portugal,  m AGNES
MIRK 1859 Smythesdale,Victoria Australia  d  1899
Smythesdale,Victoria,Australia. They had 8 children
father of Francisco is; FRANCISCO CARREIRO MUNIZ b 1803 Sao
Roque,Azores. mother, MARIA JOAQUINA REA b 1803 Sao Pedro,Azores.
father of Francisco C ; FRANCISCO MUNIZ b Asturias,Spain
mother; FRANCISCA JACINTA DE SOUSA b 1780 Sao Pedro,Azores

I hope someone knows of this family and can help
Best Wishes
Chris

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