Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Have you uploaded your DNA results to GEDMatch.com?

[luiznoia .]

I have uploaded my data to Gedmatch.


Eric Edgar


On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 1:07 AM,  wrote:

> Hi Marilyn,
>
> I'm still learning about it, too, but know enough to explain it.
>
> Basically, you get your autosomal test done, which you did, and download
> the files for each of your kits.
> Then you go to the gedmatch.com website and create an account.
> Right away you upload these files which contain the "raw data" and right
> away you can start looking at all the various ways to view your ethnic
> identity, plus you can compare right away your results to another person or
> to your own kits you administer.
>
> Once enough time has allowed them to process your uploaded data, such as
> two days, then you can compare your test kit results to everyone else in
> their database. You no longer need to know in advance their kit numbers. It
> just searches and finds the results for you.
>
> But studying and digesting these results is what I'm just getting into
> more now. Interpreting the data comes with practice. For instance, Antonio
> Faria has been comparing his results with amazing conclusions that I am
> still trying to figure out for myself.
>
> So it's very simple to do, but then you have to play around with it to get
> the most out of it.
>
> Boa noite,
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> =
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>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Have you uploaded your DNA results
> to GEDMatch.com?
> From: Marilyn Thompson 
> Date: Mon, August 11, 2014 11:20 pm
> To: Cheri Mello 
>
> Ok so somewhere along the line I missed out about this GEDMatch.com site.
> Can someone explain to me what it is? I am guessing  the purpose of it is
> to find DNA matches.
>
> I would really like to know more about it. I have read the posts connected
> to this Have you uploaded your DNA results to GEDMatch.com? to be
> interested in it.
> I have access to 4 kits - 2 Portuguese and 2 non.
>
> Marilyn
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Fernandes Baleeiro (Surname unknown)

[luiznoia .]

I'm thinking it's likely a Jose or Joao etc, Fernandes, Baleeiro.

His alcunha or even occupation as a whaler.

You can find the Baleerio in Bahia records, but not until the 1890s.

Maybe some background on where the information came from would help here.


Eric Edgar


On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:46 AM,  wrote:

> Hello Albert,
>
> Fernandes is a surname. Maybe his name was Fernando?
>
> Or maybe you are missing his given name and Fernandes Baleeiro is the
> compound surname.
>
> Your information about him coming from Graciosa matches what I know about
> people named Baleeiro. They are found elsewhere in small numbers, so can
> easily be found passing through Faial, Pico Terceira, Sao Jorge, etc.
>
> No need to travel to Faial for research when they put those records online
> this past year or so.
> The government site is called CCA and it's quoted all the time, nearly
> every day on this list. Look through past messages for the URL.
>
> Unfortunately, your lack of more information is a huge barrier to making
> further progress. I don't know this person. It seems to me you will have to
> find him in Bahia records to learn who he married, and most of all the
> names of his parents. Then you work back in time from there.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> =
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>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Fernandes Baleeiro (Surname
> unknown)
> From: Albert Figueras 
> Date: Tue, August 12, 2014 6:03 am
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> Dear all,
>
> We are trying to find some information on a man named Fernandes Baleeiro
> from Faial and Graciosa. As far as we know, he emigrated from Faial to
> Bahia (Brazil) in 1726.
>
> I'm aware that the information is scarce, but perhaps you could gide us on
> how to begin or where could we try to ask or search before going directly
> to Faial and spend som,e days there.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Albert Figueras
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] UPEC Death Claims Registers on Ancestry

[luiznoia .]

Bob,

Kathy said in the first message that they are included in another
source:  *California,
Death and Burial Records from Select Counties, 1873-1987*

http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8835


Eric


On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:

> Thanks for the council numbers! That's a big help!
>
> Mary
>
>
> On Thursday, August 7, 2014, luiznoia .  wrote:
>
>> The deceased council number is the only clue to their location.
>>
>> Here are the council numbers for the time period this book covers.
>>
>>
>> There may be more than this but the 1929 newspaper this is extracted from
>> has only 1 page on the UMASS site
>>
>> Page is attached in PDF
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>> UPEC - *Uniao Portuguesa do Estado da California est 1880*
>>
>> *Number   Location*
>>
>> *1--San Leandro*
>>
>> *2--Hollister*
>>
>> *3--Hayward- *
>>
>> *4---Petaluma*
>>
>> *5---Centerville*
>>
>> *6---Mendocino*
>>
>> *7---East Oakland*
>>
>> *8---Pleasanton*
>>
>>  *9--Milpitas*
>>
>> *10---Mission San Jose*
>>
>> *11---Sacramento*
>>
>> *12---Watsonville*
>>
>>  *13--- West Oakland*
>>
>> *14---Sausalito*
>>
>> *15---San Francisco*
>>
>> *16---Alvarado*
>>
>>  *17---Half Moon Bay*
>>
>> *18---Benicia*
>>
>> *19---San Rafael*
>>
>> *20--- Concord*
>>
>>  *21---Selma*
>>
>> *22---Hanford*
>>
>> *23---Fresno*
>>
>> *24---Stockton*
>>
>> *25---Oakland*
>>
>> *26---Pinole*
>>
>> *27---San Pablo*
>>
>> *28---Santa Clara*
>>
>> *29---Merced*
>>
>> *30---San Francisco*
>>
>> *31---Santa Cruz*
>>
>> *32---San Jose*
>>
>> *33---Danville*
>>
>>  *34---Yreka*
>>
>> *35---Pescadero*
>>
>> *36---Freeport*
>>
>> *37---Monterey*
>>
>> *38---Sebastapol*
>>
>> *39---Salinas*
>>
>> *40---Sacramento*
>>
>> *41---Ashland*
>>
>> *42---San Luis Obispo*
>>
>> *43---Wilmington*
>>
>> *44---Ventura*
>>
>> *45---Novato*
>>
>> *46---Mountain View*
>>
>> *47---Rio Vista*
>>
>> *48---Fairfield*
>>
>> *49---San Mateo*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 1:23 PM, IslandRoutes <
>> insearchofthehumanspi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the tip, Kathy!  I noticed something that people should be
>>> aware of when searching these records.  In the County or Organizaiton field
>>> it says "Portuguese Union of California".  So, if you tried to search this
>>> database with a city or county name you will probably get no results.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 7, 2014 6:46:17 AM UTC-7, Kathy Cardoza wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I just discovered something you all may or may not know and I wanted to
>>>> pass it along... The UPEC (Portuguese Union of California) Death Claims
>>>> Registers are on Ancestry! If you search for them in the Card Catalog, you
>>>> will NOT find them. They are included in another source:  California,
>>>> Death and Burial Records from Select Counties, 1873-1987
>>>>
>>>> Part of the notes on this source say:
>>>>
>>>> This collection includes a variety of records from the counties of
>>>> Butte, Colusa, El Dorado, Fresno, Santa Clara, Stanislaus, Sutter, and
>>>> Yolo, as well as the Portuguese Union of California. Included you'll find:
>>>>
>>>>- death certificates, returns, and registers
>>>>- burial permits
>>>>- indexes to death records and obituaries
>>>>- death benefit claim registers (Portuguese Union of California)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> These Death Claims Registers do include Alameda County.  I have found 3
>>>> of my great grandfathers who died in Alameda County!
>>>>
>>>> So, enjoy!
>>>>
>>>> Good luck and happy hunting!
>>>> Kathy
>>>>  ~~~
>>>> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
>>>>
>>>> Climb my Family Tree:
>>>&g

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: AUSENTE meaning

[luiznoia .]

My great grandmother was married at 13 to a 35 yr old in 1909 with her
mother as a witness in  Stockton CA

Eric Edgar


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Here's an interesting table of current age of consent to marry in the
> United States.  In Massachusetts, a 12 year old female can marry a 14 year
> old male with parental consent.  Wow! http://goo.gl/LelCSU
>
> I had a female cousin who married in the 1980s at the age of 15 (with
> parental consent).  There's a whole story behind that!
>
> Research wise, I think the youngest female I have found was my mother's
> grandma.  She was 14 at marriage in 1893 and 15 when her first child was
> born.  I can't remember any males younger that 18.  This is in American
> research however.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism translation of Francisco - Cedros, Flores

[luiznoia .]

I recall the Sousa was part of the maternos on Caetano's baptism

Eric


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Shirley Allegre 
wrote:

>  This is how I read it:
>
> Francisco  First of the name.
> 21 June 1865,  (date baptised)
> Church:  Nossa Senhora do Pilar, of Cedros, Village Santa Cruz, Flores
> born 8:00 at night, on 17 March 1865
> PARENTS
> Jose de Souza, native same place  X  Maria Joaquina, native this freguesia.
> received this freguesia (married there?),  residents Rua do Boeiro?
> PATERNAL
> Ignacio Jose X Maria Joaquina
> MATERNAL
> Francisco Jose dos Santos X Catharina dos Santos
> GODPARENTS
> Manoel Vicente, single
> and Anna de Jesus, single.
>
> I hope that someone else will chime in with more info than I could pick
> out.
>
> Shirley in CA
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* rml...@gmail.com
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 03, 2014 6:51 PM
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism translation of Francisco - Cedros,
> Flores
>
>  Francisco is #3, Lower left.
>
> Need translation of Baptism entry:
>
> http://goo.gl/hkiKh0
>
> Bob
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Posting Family Tree on Family Tree DNA

[luiznoia .]

I've been trying to upload my Gedcoms for over a week,. Every attempt has
turned up a warning that it is down for maintanence.

Eric Edgar


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 6:29 PM, helen kerner  wrote:

>
> What is pretty sad is that people like you are telling people like me to
> post it for your convenience.
>
> We do have other responsibilities that you are unaware of and posting the
> gedcom isn't at the top of the list for me.  This would be an ideal world
> if we all had the time to post them at your timing for your convenience so
> that you could be more calm.  But, this isn't an ideal world.
>
> Be glad that the 68 people that you refer to in this email got tested and
> gave you an opportunity to vent over ???
>
> Perhaps a new vent might be to worry about everyone on this list that
> hasn't been tested.  Now, wouldn't that be sad?
>
> Take a deep breath and know that gedcoms will be coming.  I will post mine
> when I am ready.  No sooner and no later.
>
> Best,
> helen cunha kerner
>
>
>   On Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:52 PM, "rml...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
>
>
> I checked my FTDNA account of which I have 171 matches in the Azores
> project. Of that 171 only 68(40%) people have uploaded a gedcom.
> That's pretty sad that if you take the time to submit a sample that you
> can't take the time to submit a gedcom.
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:48:39 PM UTC-7, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:
>
> *One of the most frustration things in Genetic Genealogy is having a match
> with a person and not being able to look for a common connection because no
> tree is posted on Family Tree DNA and all efforts to contact the match are
> fruitless. I have two 2nd Cousin matches and have tried numerous times and
> have had no response from them.*
>
> *When you post a tree on Family Tree DNA who can see it. If you believe
> that it is available to every and anyone who wants to look at it you are
> mistaken. The only person that can see the tree is someone that has a match
> with you or the project administrator.  Another misconception on posting a
> tree on Family Tree DNA is that all your information is made available Only
> the basic information is posted such as Name, birth date and place, and
> death date and place. That is not much information but it is enough to find
> a common match. The other thing people are reluctant to display is any
> information on living persons. It is a matter of personal preference but
> anyone that knows how to use the inter net can find that information if
> they want. Any match with me can look at my GEDCOM on Family Tree DNA and
> see my birthday and place.*
>
> *If you have not posted your Family Tree Please Consider it even a partial
> tree is better than no tree.*
>
> *If you need help any of the Family Tree DNA Azores Project administrators
> can and most gladly assist any Azores DNA Project members.*
>
> *Rick*
>
>
> *Family Tree DNA Co-AdministratorAzores DNA Project*
>
> *Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators*
> *All unpaid volunteers *
> *Cheri Mello - gfsche...@gmail.com *
> *Rick Pimentel - rickredle...@gmail.com *
> *Nancy Jean Baptista - fishsongf...@hotmail.com*
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Barreled through my brick wall, now what?

[luiznoia .]

Jose Ignacio de Medeiros  resident of Lomba de Feteira Grande( 35 yrs)and
Ana Rosa de Jesus (18 yrs)

his parents: Manuel Ignacio de Medeiros ( native of the freguisia of Nossa
Senhora do Rosario, Achadinha) and Maria Francisca Resendes (native  of
this parish)

Her parents Joao Cabral and Ludovina Rosa ( natives of this parish)

This record is very clear. When I have trouble with the quality, I drop the
image into Microsoft Paint or Photoshop, then adjust the contasts, or
whatever neede to clear it up.

Eric Edgar


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Nicole R,
>
> You can find ALL the kids of a particular couple (the kids' baptisms and
> marriage).  It will strengthen your reading of the records.  It will also
> build your database so when you get a DNA match, you'll have a starting
> point to connect your DNA match to.
>
> You didn't mention a place for your ancestors, but at the bottom you
> mention Achada and Santana.  Achada has some of the worst records on Sao
> Miguel.  I think the only records worse than part of Achada is Santa Maria
> island.
>
> There is a partial index for Achada marriages.  It starts at the beginning
> (1680s) and goes to about 1730s if I remember correctly.  I have a copy and
> I typed it up in Excel.  Once you get to that time period and you're still
> in Achada (start hoping they came from somewhere else), send me an email
> and I'll send you the Excel file.
>
> It's going to be a bit of a struggle.  I think I found an ancestor about
> the 1820s in Achada and most of her ancestors were from there.  It was
> hard.  I had to ask a lot of people to verify what I was reading.  On the
> plus side, if you can read the stuff coming out of Achada, you'll be able
> to read anything.
>
> I know this isn't what you wanted to hear.  I know of no other sources for
> Achada.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: The Hawaii Sugar Contract System

[luiznoia .]

These are the films for the Portuguese consulate record of arriving
passengers:


Records for *Film 1031748: *

   1. 1.Passaporte de viajante, 1924-1939
  - Portugal. Consulado (Honolulu)
  - Hawaii. Collector of Customs
   2. 2.Certificados de inscricão consular, 1929-1939
  - Portugal. Consulado (Honolulu)
  - Hawaii. Collector of Customs
   3.

*Film 1017125:  *
   4. 1.Ship passenger lists, 1878-1913
  - Portugal. Consulado Geral (Honolulu)
   5.

There are also these Index films:

ndex (Portuguese) 1878-1900 Abelairas - Frietas, Maria Violanta deFamily
History LibraryUnited States & Canada Film1002634
 Index
(Portuguese) 1878-1900 Frietas, Marques - Ricardo, Roza de JesusFamily
History LibraryUnited States & Canada Film1002635
 Index
(Portuguese) 1878-1900 Rigo (Rego), Manoel de - Za's, Antonio VarquezFamily
History LibraryUnited States & Canada Film1002636




Eric Edgar


On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:37 AM, rachel disano 
wrote:

>
> 
> i found this record in my search
>
>
> On Friday, July 18, 2014 10:32:00 PM UTC-3, IslandRoutes wrote:
>>
>> Someone asked a question about this, but I can't find the post.  I
>> researched this extensively when I wrote my research guide (an ebook) on
>> Portuguese immigration to Hawaii during the sugar plantation era.
>>
>> A Hawaiian sugar plantation owner would fill out an order for labor, much
>> like they would supplies.  In Pau Hana, it gives a list that looks
>> something like
>> 10 boxes of nails
>> 10 bags of flour
>> 50 boards
>> 10 Portuguese
>> 5 Filipinos
>> 3 Japanese
>>
>> Yes, they wrote out the nationality of the laborers they wanted and how
>> many right on their supply list.
>>
>> In the Azores or Madeira, the person (or couple, married women signed
>> contracts too) met with the agents from Hawaii.  They signed their
>> contract.  They applied for a passport and arrangements were made for
>> passage.
>>
>> All Portuguese who came over was processed through the Portuguese
>> Consulate in Honolulu.  It was at this time that they learned what sugar
>> plantation they would be sent to.  I am not sure if they had much say in
>> the matter, for instance, if they already had family working on a
>> plantation on one island.  I don't think so.  My feeling is after they
>> finished their contract, they would move.  But, they did not split up
>> husbands, wives, and their children (children also worked in the fields at
>> certains times of the year).  Remember that the clever American businessmen
>> were trying to populate the islands with what they saw as "suitable"
>> immigrants (meaning, not Asian), so bringing over whole families was
>> encouraged.
>>
>> The Portuguese Consulate records are probably the most overlooked records
>> available for Hawaii researchers.  I think they are called Portuguese
>> Consulado General em Hawaii (or something very similar).  The LDS Church
>> has microfilmed the entire collection.  Why they don't give much details
>> (early entries only have names and dates), they tell you who in the family
>> group actually set foot in Hawaii.  This could be important to people
>> trying to prove if a family member died aboard the ship or if babies were
>> born on the ship.
>>
>> The contract itself has very little information.  However, when a person
>> completed their contract, the plantation manager made a note at the bottom
>> with the name of the plantation and the date the contract was completed.
>> They also signed it.  It is a shame that their was no effort to preserve
>> these records.  They would answer that all important question of "which
>> sugar plantation did my ancestor live and work on".  I have copies of
>> Jozimas and Maria de Braga's contracts because Jozimas saved them and then
>> someone had sense to pass them down through the line until they got to my
>> cousin.  And, luckily, she is researching the family tree and saw how
>> important they are.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Correia Borba born 7 July 1875 on Pico to California married Lemos

[luiznoia .]

I have come across a confusion with Pico as an origin a few times now.

Although the census show Pico, and the family lore says from Pico, it has
turned out to be Pico da Pedra in Ribeira Grande , Sao Miguel.

Eric Edgar


On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Edna Epps  wrote:

> Antonio, I am wondering if the "family records" could mean Piedade rather
> than Pico?   My Lemos family is from Sao Jorge.  I have just started
> looking at this Borba line so really just posted my note to see if someone
> else may have something that might help me.;)  Thanks for your input.
>
> Edna (dave-e...@comcast.net
> Oh, that men would give thanks to the LORD for His goodness, and for His
> wonderful works to the children of men!
> Psalm 107:21
>
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 7:59 PM, A Faria  wrote:
>
>
> Hi Cheri
>
> That is a surname very rarely found on Pico I have one in one of my line's
> in the early 1700's from Piedade it is found much more frequently in Sao
> Jorge.
>
> Antonio
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 20, 2014 9:54:39 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Repost for Edna Lemos Epps,dave-edna at comcast.net
>>
>> I don't suppose anyone has a connection with a Joseph Coreia Borba dob
>> 7-7-1875 in Pico?  I don't know village.  He came to USA in 1891 and
>> settled in Northern California, Yreka or Hawkinsville area in Siskiyou,
>> County.  He married a Emilia Rose Lemos there in 1910.  Emilia is a sister
>> to my Grandfather George Lemos.  Just curious as I see the Borba name on
>> here.
>>   ♥Edna Lemos Epps
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Correia Borba born 7 July 1875 on Pico to California married Lemos

[luiznoia .]

 I took a search through the Portuguese newspaper database and found a  a
Uniao Portuguesa,  1898 obit listed for a Maria , daughter of Manuel Correa
de Borba and Maria Candias of Boeiro, Sao Jorge. This is a small village
around

Topo.

 I followed the John C Borba to his death listing: *BORBA   JOHN   C   1879
  10   18   TEXEIRA  MALE   RE   SANTA CLARA   1962   07   14
571282553   82  *



I went to the CCA site for Topo baptisms :
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P238.html

This is for :* Joao born 18 Oct 1879 and baptized 1 Nov 1879,  legitimate
son of Manuel Correa de Borba and Maria Candidais , paternos Alexandre
Correa and Maria Isabel...*

*.maternos, Antonio Ignacio Texeira and Rozalina Candida*



An exact match on birthdate and on mother's and father's surnames. The
Borba will likely turn up as the family of Maria Isabel

I think this is the origin and it's a matter of poking around the Topo
baptisms to find Joseph's record.


Eric Edgar



On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:44 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> The  11 Apr 1898 ship manifest shows at line 25, Joao Correia Borba 18
> yrs, 2 months old is sailing from St George to  Provincetown, Mass, landing
> May 3rd.
>
> His destination is California where is to meet his brother Jose de Borba
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:39 AM, luiznoia . 
> wrote:
>
>> I think I've found a brother or cousin to help on searching Joseph's
>> origin.
>>
>> The Siskiyou county marriage book shows John Borba marries Evalina Bell
>> next to Joseph and Emiliy's entry
>>
>> The WW1 draft shows he is John "C" Borba , Evelina as wife.
>>
>> The 1910 census for Yreka shows him as John C Barber, and that he arrived
>> in 1891, the same year that Joseph lists as his arrival
>>
>> Find a Grave entry
>> http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=12937309
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:13 AM, luiznoia . 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have come across a confusion with Pico as an origin a few times now.
>>>
>>> Although the census show Pico, and the family lore says from Pico, it
>>> has turned out to be Pico da Pedra in Ribeira Grande , Sao Miguel.
>>>
>>> Eric Edgar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Edna Epps 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Antonio, I am wondering if the "family records" could mean Piedade
>>>> rather than Pico?   My Lemos family is from Sao Jorge.  I have just started
>>>> looking at this Borba line so really just posted my note to see if someone
>>>> else may have something that might help me.;)  Thanks for your input.
>>>>
>>>> Edna (dave-e...@comcast.net
>>>> Oh, that men would give thanks to the LORD for His goodness, and
>>>> for His wonderful works to the children of men!
>>>> Psalm 107:21
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 21, 2014, at 7:59 PM, A Faria  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Cheri
>>>>
>>>> That is a surname very rarely found on Pico I have one in one of my
>>>> line's in the early 1700's from Piedade it is found much more frequently in
>>>> Sao Jorge.
>>>>
>>>> Antonio
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, July 20, 2014 9:54:39 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Repost for Edna Lemos Epps,dave-edna at comcast.net
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't suppose anyone has a connection with a Joseph Coreia Borba dob
>>>>> 7-7-1875 in Pico?  I don't know village.  He came to USA in 1891 and
>>>>> settled in Northern California, Yreka or Hawkinsville area in Siskiyou,
>>>>> County.  He married a Emilia Rose Lemos there in 1910.  Emilia is a sister
>>>>> to my Grandfather George Lemos.  Just curious as I see the Borba name on
>>>>> here.
>>>>>   ♥Edna Lemos Epps
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Correia Borba born 7 July 1875 on Pico to California married Lemos

[luiznoia .]

This link is of interest because you had Piedade, Pico as a possible origin
for this family. The link for Seraphim here doesn't seem to relate to the
Borba line, but does show that the mother Jacintha Rosa

is from Piedade, Pico

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P17.html


Eric Edgar


On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 3:11 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

>  I took a search through the Portuguese newspaper database and found a  a
> Uniao Portuguesa,  1898 obit listed for a Maria , daughter of Manuel Correa
> de Borba and Maria Candias of Boeiro, Sao Jorge. This is a small village
> around
>
> Topo.
>
>  I followed the John C Borba to his death listing: *BORBA   JOHN   C
> 1879   10   18   TEXEIRA  MALE   RE   SANTA CLARA   1962   07   14
> 571282553   82  *
>
>
>
> I went to the CCA site for Topo baptisms :
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P238.html
>
> This is for :* Joao born 18 Oct 1879 and baptized 1 Nov 1879,  legitimate
> son of Manuel Correa de Borba and Maria Candidais , paternos Alexandre
> Correa and Maria Isabel...*
>
> *.maternos, Antonio Ignacio Texeira and Rozalina Candida*
>
>
>
> An exact match on birthdate and on mother's and father's surnames. The
> Borba will likely turn up as the family of Maria Isabel
>
> I think this is the origin and it's a matter of poking around the Topo
> baptisms to find Joseph's record.
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:44 AM, luiznoia . 
> wrote:
>
>> The  11 Apr 1898 ship manifest shows at line 25, Joao Correia Borba 18
>> yrs, 2 months old is sailing from St George to  Provincetown, Mass, landing
>> May 3rd.
>>
>> His destination is California where is to meet his brother Jose de Borba
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:39 AM, luiznoia . 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think I've found a brother or cousin to help on searching Joseph's
>>> origin.
>>>
>>> The Siskiyou county marriage book shows John Borba marries Evalina Bell
>>> next to Joseph and Emiliy's entry
>>>
>>> The WW1 draft shows he is John "C" Borba , Evelina as wife.
>>>
>>> The 1910 census for Yreka shows him as John C Barber, and that he
>>> arrived in 1891, the same year that Joseph lists as his arrival
>>>
>>> Find a Grave entry
>>> http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=12937309
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Edgar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:13 AM, luiznoia . 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have come across a confusion with Pico as an origin a few times now.
>>>>
>>>> Although the census show Pico, and the family lore says from Pico, it
>>>> has turned out to be Pico da Pedra in Ribeira Grande , Sao Miguel.
>>>>
>>>> Eric Edgar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Edna Epps 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Antonio, I am wondering if the "family records" could mean Piedade
>>>>> rather than Pico?   My Lemos family is from Sao Jorge.  I have just 
>>>>> started
>>>>> looking at this Borba line so really just posted my note to see if someone
>>>>> else may have something that might help me.;)  Thanks for your input.
>>>>>
>>>>> Edna (dave-e...@comcast.net
>>>>> Oh, that men would give thanks to the LORD for His goodness, and
>>>>> for His wonderful works to the children of men!
>>>>> Psalm 107:21
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 21, 2014, at 7:59 PM, A Faria  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Cheri
>>>>>
>>>>> That is a surname very rarely found on Pico I have one in one of my
>>>>> line's in the early 1700's from Piedade it is found much more frequently 
>>>>> in
>>>>> Sao Jorge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Antonio
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, July 20, 2014 9:54:39 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Repost for Edna Lemos Epps,dave-edna at comcast.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't suppose anyone has a connection with a Joseph Coreia Borba
>>>>>> dob 7-7-1875 in Pico? 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Correia Borba born 7 July 1875 on Pico to California married Lemos

[luiznoia .]

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D_mo
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D_dy
<http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/php/sql-a.php?server=1&db=vitalsearchca&pos=0&sql_query=SELECT+Last_Name%2CFirst_Name%2CMiddle_Name%2CB_yr%2CB_mo%2CB_dy%2CMothers_Last_Name%2CFathers_Last_Name%2CSex%2CBp%2CCounty_of_Death%2CD_yr%2CD_mo%2CD_dy%2CSS_Number%2CAge%2Cidno+from+cadeaths_ygen00+where+1+and+Last_Name+like+%22borba%22+and+First_Name+like+%22manuel%22+and+D_yr+like+%221947%22+and+Sex+like+%22male%22&sql_order=+order+by+D_dy+ASC&table=cadeaths_ygen00>
SS_Number
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Age
<http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/php/sql-a.php?server=1&db=vitalsearchca&pos=0&sql_query=SELECT+Last_Name%2CFirst_Name%2CMiddle_Name%2CB_yr%2CB_mo%2CB_dy%2CMothers_Last_Name%2CFathers_Last_Name%2CSex%2CBp%2CCounty_of_Death%2CD_yr%2CD_mo%2CD_dy%2CSS_Number%2CAge%2Cidno+from+cadeaths_ygen00+where+1+and+Last_Name+like+%22borba%22+and+First_Name+like+%22manuel%22+and+D_yr+like+%221947%22+and+Sex+like+%22male%22&sql_order=+order+by+Age+ASC&table=cadeaths_ygen00>
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 BORBA  MANUEL1879  01  21  MALE  RE  SANTA CLARA  1947  04  25
 68


On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 3:36 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> This link is of interest because you had Piedade, Pico as a possible
> origin for this family. The link for Seraphim here doesn't seem to relate
> to the Borba line, but does show that the mother Jacintha Rosa
>
> is from Piedade, Pico
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879_item1/P17.html
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 3:11 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>
>>  I took a search through the Portuguese newspaper database and found a  a
>> Uniao Portuguesa,  1898 obit listed for a Maria , daughter of Manuel Correa
>> de Borba and Maria Candias of Boeiro, Sao Jorge. This is a small village
>> around
>>
>> Topo.
>>
>>  I followed the John C Borba to his death listing: *BORBA   JOHN   C
>> 1879   10   18   TEXEIRA  MALE   RE   SANTA CLARA   1962   07   14
>> 571282553   82  *
>>
>>
>>
>> I went to the CCA site for Topo baptisms :
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1870-1879/SJR-CH-TO

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Correia Borba born 7 July 1875 on Pico to California married Lemos

[luiznoia .]

My experience earlier today looking at the NEPS site is that there are
hundreds of Borba's found. Correia is less common.

Eric Edgar


On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:05 PM, A Faria  wrote:

> Hi Edna
>
> Piedade is a freguesia on the island of Pico that is where my one ancestor
> with the surname Borba was from. Borba is frequently found on the island of
> Sao Jorge I have met several people from Calheta Sao Jorge with the surname
> Borba If you look on NEPS for Ribeira Seca Sao Jorge you will see several
> examples of Borba's in the 1800's but not on Pico. It is possible Joseph
> Coreia Borba was born on Pico but my hunch is his line traces to Sao Jorge
> and in Calheta you will find various Borba lines. I also remember hearing
> old timers talk about when it was required to have a passport to travel
> between Pico and Sao Jorge but not so between Pico and Faial my
> understanding travel was somewhat closely watched between islands for a
> period of time and not really encouraged. Perhaps someone more
> knowledgeable on this subject would care to comment.
>
> Antonio
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 7:54:59 AM UTC-7, dave-edna wrote:
>
>> Antonio, I am wondering if the "family records" could mean Piedade rather
>> than Pico?   My Lemos family is from Sao Jorge.  I have just started
>> looking at this Borba line so really just posted my note to see if someone
>> else may have something that might help me.;)  Thanks for your input.
>>
>> Edna (dave...@comcast.net
>> Oh, that men would give thanks to the LORD for His goodness, and for His
>> wonderful works to the children of men!
>> Psalm 107:21
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2014, at 7:59 PM, A Faria  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Cheri
>>
>> That is a surname very rarely found on Pico I have one in one of my
>> line's in the early 1700's from Piedade it is found much more frequently in
>> Sao Jorge.
>>
>> Antonio
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 20, 2014 9:54:39 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Repost for Edna Lemos Epps,dave-edna at comcast.net
>>>
>>> I don't suppose anyone has a connection with a Joseph Coreia Borba dob
>>> 7-7-1875 in Pico?  I don't know village.  He came to USA in 1891 and
>>> settled in Northern California, Yreka or Hawkinsville area in Siskiyou,
>>> County.  He married a Emilia Rose Lemos there in 1910.  Emilia is a sister
>>> to my Grandfather George Lemos.  Just curious as I see the Borba name on
>>> here.
>>>   ♥Edna Lemos Epps
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Awaiting results for Batch 575

[luiznoia .]

I just spoke with FTDNA, concerning their email that they were sending me a
new vial for collection. I had already sent that back on 6 July, so was
concerned.

I was told batch 575 may be 4-6 weeks off, but had a priority placed on it
that may speed it up.

Eric Edgar


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> I can txt you kit numbers if you need them
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Marilyn Thompson 
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>> I actually have 2 tests. William Western Thompson and James A Miller
>> incase you need to know names.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
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>>> I'm on hold with them now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
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>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Interpretation of surname LIMA

[luiznoia .]

Lima also  refers to limestone.

 Like  a place name, such as Ponta do Lima. Limestone Point

Eric Edgar


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> Hello, Barbara,
>
> I don't have the same document as Antonio, but I fully support his answer.
> The only correction I'd like to make is that Limia/Lima is not a land, but
> a river. There's a land in Spain called "Xinzo de Limia", but there's also
> a "Ponte de Lima". Your surname can descend from this guy's family or
> simply from others that lived in one of these towns.
>
> João Ventura
> http://
>
>
> On Sunday, 20 July 2014 22:42:28 UTC+2, A Faria wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Barbara
>>
>> According to a book I have on the Noble families of Portugal . The first
>> person recorded with the surname Lima was D. Joao Fernandes de Lima,(the
>> good). He was from the land of Limia(Lima) in Galicia. Lima is also the
>> Portuguese word for Lime.
>>
>> Antonio
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 20, 2014 11:15:52 AM UTC-7, Barbara Bluhm wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, does anyone have an interpretation of the surname Lima or da
>>> Lima? A person has told me that Lima means wood? Responses appreciated,
>>> Thanks, Barbara
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Awaiting results for Batch 575

[luiznoia .]

Yes,

I'm in 575. I was sent a new sample collection kit 2 weeks ago.

Eric Edgar


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> I guess I am just impatient it seems like it said the results would be
> done in 1 to 2 weeks several weeks ago. I must have been really under 2
> weeks ago.
>
> Does anyone else have results for familyfinder in batch 575?
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Translation for Maria

[luiznoia .]

Bob,

The father is just Manuel Jose, no - da Silva it's sua mulher

No father's or mother's parents listed, just godparents.




"Maria daughter of Manuel Jose and his wife Maria Joseffa

(moradores no lugar de rua  da Ponta Negras na freguesia de Santa
Barbara da Ribeiras)

this is their address - they are from and live on ???road in the village of
Ponta Negras in the freguesia of Santa Barbara of Ribeiras, Pico

born 23 June 1842 baptized on the 30th day of this month

for Padrinhos (godparents) are Jose and Maria( foi de) ( represented  as?)
Antonio Jorge

and his  wife Josefa Isabel".

Eric Edgar


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>  Hi I am looking for help on reading the baptism of Maria from what I can
> read is parents are Manoel Jose da Silva and Maria Josefa, I know that the
> year is 1842 and this is based off CCA page.
> It starts on the page 14 bottom and goes to the next page top right
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1841-1856/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1841-1856_item1/P16.html
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1841-1856/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1841-1856_item1/P17.html
>
> I am able to read or what I think I can understand is that she was born in
> June of 1842 at the village of Santa Barbara dos or of Ribeiras Pico.  I
> see which is what I want to confirm that parents are Manoel Jose da Silva
> and Maria Josefa.   The father parents are Antoino Jose da Sliva and Josefa
> and I cannot understand the rest.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you
> *Bob Camacho*
> Researching the Island of Terceira for
> da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera
> Researching the Island of Graciosa for
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> Researching the Island of Madeira for
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores to California

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Here is a 1924 film of the California Cotton Mills in the Fruitvale
district of Oakland. This was the largest mill east of the Mississippi. It
is similar to many in Massachucetts that also had a large Portuguese
workforce. Mygg-grandfather worked in the Lowell mills as a weaver before
coming back to California in 1899.

You may see some of you ancestors at work here. The spooling room was women
and girls. Men worked hauling bales and and in the weaving room.

Eric Edgar

http://youtu.be/-mRBv6cXCZY









On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 10:20 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
> Portuguese workers at the California Cotton Mills, Fruitvale 1895
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
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>> She meant "spooler."
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaii, Massachusettes, or Brazil

[luiznoia .]

Here is a great book on the subject of plantation conditions

*Pau Hana: Plantation Life and Labor in Hawaii, 1835-1920*

 By *Ronald T. Takak*

You can find it easily on Amazon.


Eric


On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:

> Thanks Melody!!
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Dano  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for reposting the original document, Eric. I had saved it to my
>> last computer, but, lost it when it crashed. Apart from the history it
>> covers, its got great stories from the immigrant perspective.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 8:24:40 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote:
>>
>>> Eliseu,
>>>
>>> Here is the original document attached.
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Tanya Smith 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a copy of my 2nd great grandfathers Honolulu plantation work
>>>> contract from 1883 - he ended up on the island of Kauai, I don't know how
>>>> if this was by choice or designation.  - 9 USD per month for 1 year - Not
>>>> sure the equivalent to the current Azores currency at that time. Anyone?
>>>>
>>>> Tanya
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:54 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The following is from an Azores Government publication concerning the
>>>>> Hawaiian migration.
>>>>>
>>>>>  "The Portuguese migration to Hawaii was fueled by poor economic
>>>>> conditions in the mother country, and
>>>>> particularly in Madeira. The production and export of fine wines had
>>>>> been for many years the mainstay of the
>>>>> Madeiran economy. During the 1850's, however, the vineyards were laid
>>>>> waste by a blight that crippled the wine
>>>>> industry for decades. Unemployment and hunger followed the destruction
>>>>> of the vineyards. As conditions worsened,
>>>>> Madeirans looked for a better way of life in Brazil, the United States
>>>>> and Hawaii.
>>>>>
>>>>> During this same period, the Kingdom of Hawaii was in need of laborers
>>>>> for her sugar plantations. The large scale
>>>>> cultivation of sugar depended upon a continuous supply of inexpensive
>>>>> labor. The demand for plantation
>>>>> workers increased after Hawaii concluded a Reciprocity Treaty with the
>>>>> United States in 1876, which facilitated the
>>>>> exportation of Hawaiian sugar. The dramatic decline of the Hawaiian
>>>>> population had caused planters and government
>>>>> officials to look abroad for suitable immigrants to work the land and
>>>>> increase the population of the Kingdom. Several
>>>>> thousand Chinese emigrated to Hawaii during the 1860's and 1870's. Yet
>>>>> the Chinese seldom brought their families,
>>>>> and distinct cultural differences between the Chinese and other
>>>>> residents of Hawaii caused many of the latter to
>>>>> demand an end to the large scale importation of workers from China.
>>>>>
>>>>> In 1876, *Mr. Jacintho Pereira,* a Portuguese citizen and proprietor
>>>>> of a successful dry goods store in Honolulu,
>>>>> came forward with an interesting idea. Pereira suggested that the
>>>>> Hawaiian government investigate the possibility of
>>>>> solving Hawaii's labor and population problems by encouraging the
>>>>> immigration of Portuguese from Madeira. The
>>>>> government contacted *Dr. William Hillebrand* who was living at that
>>>>> time in Funchal. Hillbrand acted as Hawaii's
>>>>> agent, and carried out all of the details required to place the first
>>>>> contingent of Portuguese immigrants aboard the
>>>>> Priscilla."
>>>>>
>>>>> *1853* Census shows 87 Portuguese in Hawaii.
>>>>>
>>>>> *1876* Jacinto Perreira, a Portuguese merchant residing in Hawaii
>>>>> recommends to the Kingdom the immigration of
>>>>>   Portuguese to Hawaii to help solve the labor problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> *1877* The St. Antonio Society, a Portuguese benevolent association,
>>>>> is established in Honolulu.
>>>>>
>>>>> *1878* Census shows more than 400 Portuguese in Hawaii.
>>>>&

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] someone on Flores?

[luiznoia .]

Cheryl,

I don't have any family project, just the databases I've saved from helping
other Flores descendents, and my own families. I've shared all I have on
your branch earlier. I forget if your branch was connected to Ernie Avellar
from Hayward.

Eric


On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Cheryl Lawrence 
wrote:

> Edgar, I have Avellar relatives from Santa Cruz, Flores. Would love to
> join the family project!
> - Cheryl
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:02 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> I keep several databases of Flores families. I'd be interested. I have
>> two different Avellar/Avelar family projects.
>>
>> I worked on your Caetano de Freitas family line last year
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:47 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Am I correct in remembering that there is someone on this list who lives
>>> on Flores? If so I would love to meet up with them. I am there now, until
>>> July 21. I'll be in Santa Cruz tonight and tomorrow (July 14/15) and then
>>> Lajes until July 21. I can be reached at spp1...@gmail.com or my phone
>>> here: 918 913 272
>>>
>>> I just photographed all the graves I could find for Freitas and
>>> Avelar/Avellar in the Santa Cruz cemetery. Might be useful to someone
>>> besides me?
>>>
>>> Obrigado!
>>>
>>> Steve Peters
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaii, Massachusettes, or Brazil

[luiznoia .]

Even better,

Here is a scanned copy free!

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=LD94ovK6Ej0C&oi=fnd&pg=PR9&dq=portuguese+kauai&ots=ytj9itz0Yd&sig=eyNUoOBov9jqhgIVMFGIeKTt5Js#v=onepage&q=portuguese%20kauai&f=false




On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:11 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> Here is a great book on the subject of plantation conditions
>
> *Pau Hana: Plantation Life and Labor in Hawaii, 1835-1920*
>
>  By *Ronald T. Takak*
>
> You can find it easily on Amazon.
>
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Pam Santos 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Melody!!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Dano  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for reposting the original document, Eric. I had saved it to my
>>> last computer, but, lost it when it crashed. Apart from the history it
>>> covers, its got great stories from the immigrant perspective.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 8:24:40 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eliseu,
>>>>
>>>> Here is the original document attached.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Tanya Smith 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a copy of my 2nd great grandfathers Honolulu plantation work
>>>>> contract from 1883 - he ended up on the island of Kauai, I don't know how
>>>>> if this was by choice or designation.  - 9 USD per month for 1 year - Not
>>>>> sure the equivalent to the current Azores currency at that time. Anyone?
>>>>>
>>>>> Tanya
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:54 AM, luiznoia . 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The following is from an Azores Government publication concerning the
>>>>>> Hawaiian migration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  "The Portuguese migration to Hawaii was fueled by poor economic
>>>>>> conditions in the mother country, and
>>>>>> particularly in Madeira. The production and export of fine wines had
>>>>>> been for many years the mainstay of the
>>>>>> Madeiran economy. During the 1850's, however, the vineyards were laid
>>>>>> waste by a blight that crippled the wine
>>>>>> industry for decades. Unemployment and hunger followed the
>>>>>> destruction of the vineyards. As conditions worsened,
>>>>>> Madeirans looked for a better way of life in Brazil, the United
>>>>>> States and Hawaii.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> During this same period, the Kingdom of Hawaii was in need of
>>>>>> laborers for her sugar plantations. The large scale
>>>>>> cultivation of sugar depended upon a continuous supply of inexpensive
>>>>>> labor. The demand for plantation
>>>>>> workers increased after Hawaii concluded a Reciprocity Treaty with
>>>>>> the United States in 1876, which facilitated the
>>>>>> exportation of Hawaiian sugar. The dramatic decline of the Hawaiian
>>>>>> population had caused planters and government
>>>>>> officials to look abroad for suitable immigrants to work the land and
>>>>>> increase the population of the Kingdom. Several
>>>>>> thousand Chinese emigrated to Hawaii during the 1860's and 1870's.
>>>>>> Yet the Chinese seldom brought their families,
>>>>>> and distinct cultural differences between the Chinese and other
>>>>>> residents of Hawaii caused many of the latter to
>>>>>> demand an end to the large scale importation of workers from China.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In 1876, *Mr. Jacintho Pereira,* a Portuguese citizen and proprietor
>>>>>> of a successful dry goods store in Honolulu,
>>>>>> came forward with an interesting idea. Pereira suggested that the
>>>>>> Hawaiian government investigate the possibility of
>>>>>> solving Hawaii's labor and population problems by encouraging the
>>>>>> immigration of Portuguese from Madeira. The
>>>>>> government contacted *Dr. William Hillebrand* who was living at that
>>>>>> time in Funchal. Hillbrand acted as Hawaii's
>>>>>> agent, and carried out all of the details required to place the first
>>>>>> contingen

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores to California

[luiznoia .]

 Here  are links to Robert Santos's excellent study and stories on the
migrations. You might find your immigrant ancestors' story here. I did!

 Robert L. Santos
California State University, Stanislaus
Librarian/Archivis
Azoreans to California: A History of Migration and Settlement



http://wwwlibrary.csustan.edu/bsantos/azorean.html


Stories of California Azorean Immigrants*An Anthology of Personal Life
Sketches*



http://wwwlibrary.csustan.edu/bsantos/sketches.html




Eric Edgar


On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:33 PM, A Faria  wrote:

> Initially what brought an influx to California was the Gold Rush. Sea
> Captains and the crews were abandoning whaling ships in the San Francisco
> Harbor to go panning for gold starting in 1849. Most Portuguese however
> quickly turned their interest to the farmland particularly the dairy
> industry initially. I believe it started in Marin County and the East Bay
> area then they moved into the Sacramento Valley and San Joaquin Valley
> because of cheaper farmland. There are many examples particularly of those
> that arrived at the turn of the century of creating substantial wealth in
> farming. There still are about 1,000 Portuguese families involved in the
> dairy industry in California most trace to the islands of Terceira and Sao
> Jorge but there are also some from the islands of Pico, Faial and Flores
> and Sao Miguel I personally have never met a dairyman in California from
> the islands of Santa Maria, Corvo or Graciosa although I'm sure there are
> some.
>
> On a personal note my maternal grandmother was from a family of twelve, 10
> of her siblings immigrated to the US all to Bristol, Rhode Island first,
> five moved on to California because of interest in farming  5 remained in
> Rhode Island, their surnames were Brum Cardoso, anyway the immigration laws
> became very restrictive in the 1920's  because of that my grandmother and
> her twin sister the two remaining youngest siblings never made it to the US
> they were planning on eventually making their way to California.
>
> Antonio
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 2:08:17 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Diane,
>>
>> In my research it seems like families went to the east coast for
>> factories and mill work and to the west coast for dairy and agriculture.
>> I'm sure others may have other scenarios.
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaii, Massachusettes, or Brazil

[luiznoia .]

The following is from an Azores Government publication concerning the
Hawaiian migration.

 "The Portuguese migration to Hawaii was fueled by poor economic conditions
in the mother country, and
particularly in Madeira. The production and export of fine wines had been
for many years the mainstay of the
Madeiran economy. During the 1850's, however, the vineyards were laid waste
by a blight that crippled the wine
industry for decades. Unemployment and hunger followed the destruction of
the vineyards. As conditions worsened,
Madeirans looked for a better way of life in Brazil, the United States and
Hawaii.

During this same period, the Kingdom of Hawaii was in need of laborers for
her sugar plantations. The large scale
cultivation of sugar depended upon a continuous supply of inexpensive
labor. The demand for plantation
workers increased after Hawaii concluded a Reciprocity Treaty with the
United States in 1876, which facilitated the
exportation of Hawaiian sugar. The dramatic decline of the Hawaiian
population had caused planters and government
officials to look abroad for suitable immigrants to work the land and
increase the population of the Kingdom. Several
thousand Chinese emigrated to Hawaii during the 1860's and 1870's. Yet the
Chinese seldom brought their families,
and distinct cultural differences between the Chinese and other residents
of Hawaii caused many of the latter to
demand an end to the large scale importation of workers from China.

In 1876, *Mr. Jacintho Pereira,* a Portuguese citizen and proprietor of a
successful dry goods store in Honolulu,
came forward with an interesting idea. Pereira suggested that the Hawaiian
government investigate the possibility of
solving Hawaii's labor and population problems by encouraging the
immigration of Portuguese from Madeira. The
government contacted *Dr. William Hillebrand* who was living at that time
in Funchal. Hillbrand acted as Hawaii's
agent, and carried out all of the details required to place the first
contingent of Portuguese immigrants aboard the
Priscilla."

*1853* Census shows 87 Portuguese in Hawaii.

*1876* Jacinto Perreira, a Portuguese merchant residing in Hawaii
recommends to the Kingdom the immigration of
  Portuguese to Hawaii to help solve the labor problems.

*1877* The St. Antonio Society, a Portuguese benevolent association, is
established in Honolulu.

*1878* Census shows more than 400 Portuguese in Hawaii.

*1878* The ship Priscilla arrives in Honolulu harbor on September 30. 1878
with the first major contingent of Portuguese
   immigrants to Hawaii (about 120 men, women and children).

*1879* The ship Ravenscrag arrives in Honolulu harbor on August 23, 1879
with the second large group of Portuguese
  settlers in Hawaii (419 men, women and children). These settlers
brought with them the Portuguese braguinha,
  the instrument that became the 'ukulele.

*1882* The Government of Hawaii signs an immigration treaty with Portugal.

*1893* Portuguese support the establishment of the Hawaiian Republic.

*1900* Portuguese population numbers 18,272, approximately 12% of the total
population of the Hawaiian Islands.

*1900* to Period of Portuguese migration from the plantations to Honolulu
and other towns.

*1913* The Ascot arrives in Honolulu harbor with 1,283 Portuguese
immigrants aboard. This ship is usually considered
   the last of the 29 immigrant ships.


*   Ships bearing Portuguese Settlers
to Hawaii, 1878-1913*

1. September 30, 1878 Ship Priscilla (German bark) arrived 116 days out
from Funchal, Madeira, with 80 men, 40 women, 60 children.
Total 180. (Portuguese consular documents indicate approximately 120
passengers).

2. August 23, 1879 Ship Ravenscrag (British) arrived 123 days out from
Madeira with 133 men, 110 women, 176 children. Total 419.
3. January 24, 1880

Ship High Flyer (British bark) arrived 99 days out from *St. Michael,
Azores,* with 109 men, 81 women, 147 children.
Total 337.

4. May 2, 1881 Ship High Flyer (British bark) arrived 130 days out from *St.
Michael, Azores*, with 173 men, 66 women, 113 children.
Total 352.

5. August 25, 1881 Ship Suffolk (British bark) arrived 102 days out from *St.
Michael, Azores*, with 206 men, 100 women, 182 children.
Total 488.

6. March 27, 1882 Ship Earl Delhausie (British bark) arrived 113 days out
from *St. Michael, Azores*, with 94 men, 82 women, 146
children. Total 322.

7. June 8, 1882 Steamship Monarch (British) arrived 57 days out from *St.
Michael, Azores*, with 202 men, 197 women, 458 children.
Total 857.

8. September 15, 1882 Steamship Hansa (British) arrived 70 days out from
*Azores*, with 307 men, 286 women, 584 children. Total 1177.

9. May 4, 1883 Steamship Abergeldie (British) arrived 62 days out from*
Azores*, with 264 men, 190 women, 484 children. Total
938.

10. July 9, 1883 Steamship Hankow (British) arrived 66 days out from *St.
Michael, Azores*, & Madeira with 427 men, 317 wo

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] manifest with lots of xxxxx s

[luiznoia .]

Barbara,

Each of the sets of check marks corresponds to a group of numbers above it.
In the first set it is dated 9-1 1941, the second is stamped May 4 1938.

This is the Immigration service going back to check the date of entry into
the US when citizenship process begins.


Eric Edgar




On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Barbara Bluhm  wrote:

> Hello, I am curious what all of the xx s mean on the attached
> manifest, I am interested with line 26. The ship Canopic sailed from San
> Miguel to Boston Feb 1905. I am familiar with Ellis Island manifests with
> an x that precedes the name of passenger, meaning passenger was held for
> medical reasons and name can again be found toward end- passengers
> detained. Any help would be appreciated, Barbara
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] someone on Flores?

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Steve,

I keep several databases of Flores families. I'd be interested. I have two
different Avellar/Avelar family projects.

I worked on your Caetano de Freitas family line last year

Eric Edgar


On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:47 AM,  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Am I correct in remembering that there is someone on this list who lives
> on Flores? If so I would love to meet up with them. I am there now, until
> July 21. I'll be in Santa Cruz tonight and tomorrow (July 14/15) and then
> Lajes until July 21. I can be reached at spp1...@gmail.com or my phone
> here: 918 913 272
>
> I just photographed all the graves I could find for Freitas and
> Avelar/Avellar in the Santa Cruz cemetery. Might be useful to someone
> besides me?
>
> Obrigado!
>
> Steve Peters
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A question about Pai Incognito

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Incognito do not neccesarily  mean unknown, it means anonymous, or a desire
to remain hidden  It is usually a good chance the mother knows who the
father was, and for a variety of reasons is not revealing it.

Besides pai incognito, I have also seen records listing pai incerto-- of an
uncertain father. With so many of our ancestors leaving by ship when the
opportunity presented, there were  a variety of situations for priests to
deal with.




Eric Edgar


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> The only one I know was the female got pregnant (by her cousin) and they
> set up house while they waited 4 years for the dispensation to be granted.
>
> As for a general custom, I've never heard of anything like that in the
> Azores.  Maybe someone else has.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese and Azores genealogy on Facebook

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The Facebook groups have no real way of collaborating on research, but a
good place to post old family photos.

A lot of posts are along the lines of : " my grandfather was Joe Dias, do
you know where he's from?"

Expect to have a mountain of Portuguese and Brazilian spam start filling up
your inbox. Put a block on anything suffixed as .br, and except out anyone
you already have contact to.

Good for recruiting the more researchers to this group.


Eric Edgar


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 12:34 AM, João Ventura  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The group that Doug was referring to is actually:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/portuguesegenealogy/
>
> They're still small(ish) groups, the Portuguese one with 130 members and
> the Azores with 23 members. A bit far from the Portuguese language
> counterparts:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/origens.ghf/ (12.000+ members)
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/genealogiasdosacores/ (256 members)
>
> I'll add these two to the list of Facebook groups on tombo.pt:
> http://tombo.pt/content/grupos-e-redes-sociais
>
> Regards,
>
> João Ventura
> http://tombo.pt/en
>
> On Thursday, 10 July 2014 08:17:29 UTC+2, robertjm wrote:
>>
>> Hey everyone!!
>>
>> Here is the link that will take you directly to Nick's Facebook group:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/azoresgenealogy/
>>
>> Click the link above, and then log into Facebook if prompted. Once there
>> click the Join button, and it should send Nick a message requesting
>> membership.
>>
>> See everyone there!
>>
>> Robert Marshall
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 4:04:33 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:
>>>
>>> Nick Gombash has breathed new life into Portuguese and Azores genealogy
>>> on Facebook, in case you're interested.
>>> ...
>>> Doug da Rocha Holmes
>>> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Avila Bettencourt, Sao Roque, Ilha Do Pico.

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http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html

Marriage Eduardo and Maria dos Anjos 1898


On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:02 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1890-1901/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1890-1901_item1/P178.html
>
> NAVARRO   HAZEL   VALENTE   1901   10   28   DASILVA   AVILA   FEMALE   RE
>   SANTA BARBARA   1993   05   24   545183154   91   8359522
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 6:42 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=pt;p=jose+de+avila;n=bettencourt
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:38 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>>
>>> This is the couple I researched before. It was for someone on this
>>> group, I recall.
>>>
>>>
>>> * SILVA   ANTONIO   AVILA   1886   01   04   BENTENCOURT   BENTENCOURT
>>> MALE   RE   SANTA BARBARA   1952   10   0766   1235925  *
>>>
>>> * SILVA   MARIE   AVILA   1888   07   01   VIERRA   PEMENTEL   FEMALE
>>> RE   SANTA BARBARA   1952   10   07  64   1235996 *
>>>
>>> They died the same day and have consecutive certificate numbers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The birth date seems to fit with the Antonio born in Pico, brother to
>>> Eduardo
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=jose;n=avila;oc=3
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=pt;p=jose+de;n=avila;oc=2
>>>
>>> *José Ávila   Casado a 29 de Abril de 1872com Laureana
>>> São José 1849*
>>>
>>> * tiveram*
>>>
>>>
>>> *Manuel ? 1872 *
>>>
>>> *José de Ávila Bettencourt 1875*
>>>
>>> *Eduardo 1880-1958first three born in
>>> Lajes*
>>>
>>>  *António ? 1886  born in Sao Roque*
>>>
>>> Can't figure why the Silva name appears.
>>>
>>> here is the marriage record from the San Luis Obispo Geneaological
>>> Society page
>>>
>>> *Pimentel, Maria V andBettencourt, Antonio A
>>>  married 24 Nov 1909*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Edgar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 2:07 PM, luiznoia . 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Cretic arriving 13 Nov 1912 . Fayal to Boston shows Eduardo Avila
>>>> from Sao Roque, Pico leaving his wife Maria dos Anjos de Conceiaco to join
>>>> his brother Manuel Sylvia Avila in New Bedford. He was born in Lajes, Pico
>>>>
>>>> THis matches this family group from The NEPS Lajes records:
>>>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=eduardo;n=avila
>>>>
>>>> Eduardo Ávila
>>>>
>>>> Nascido a 28 de Novembro de 1880 - Lajes do Pico
>>>>
>>>> Falecido a 21 de Abril de 1958 - Lajes do Pico
>>>>
>>>> Com a idade de 77 anos
>>>>
>>>> Pais
>>>>
>>>> José Ávila 1845
>>>> Laureana São José 1849
>>>>
>>>> Casamentos e filhos
>>>>
>>>> Casado a 9 de Maio de 1898 com Maria Anjos 1876, tiveram:
>>>>
>>>> Manuel ? 1899
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Canopic arriving at Boston on 14 Apr 1917 shows Jose and Isaura
>>>> Avila leaving their mother, Maria A Avila in Sao Roque, Pico, and joinging
>>>> their father Eduardo Avila in Los Alamos, Santa Barbara, CA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:50 AM, luiznoia . 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have researched Avila families from Pico on the Central Coast of
>>>>> California before.
>>>>>
>>>>> I cannot make sense of your questions. Please list the family group
>>>>> you have the most documented facts about, then on one line each, the 
>>>>> people
>>>>> associated with that group.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lose the attachments, if you downloaded them from a " Family Crest "
>>>>> site they may be virus ridden.
>>>>>
>>>>> A search through the NEPS site for Sao Roque freguisia show only one
>>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Avila Bettencourt, Sao Roque, Ilha Do Pico.

[luiznoia .]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1890-1901/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1890-1901_item1/P178.html

NAVARRO   HAZEL   VALENTE   1901   10   28   DASILVA   AVILA   FEMALE   RE
  SANTA BARBARA   1993   05   24   545183154   91   8359522


On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 6:42 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

>
> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=pt;p=jose+de+avila;n=bettencourt
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:38 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>
>> This is the couple I researched before. It was for someone on this group,
>> I recall.
>>
>>
>> * SILVA   ANTONIO   AVILA   1886   01   04   BENTENCOURT   BENTENCOURT
>> MALE   RE   SANTA BARBARA   1952   10   0766   1235925  *
>>
>> * SILVA   MARIE   AVILA   1888   07   01   VIERRA   PEMENTEL   FEMALE
>>   RE   SANTA BARBARA   1952   10   07  64   1235996 *
>>
>> They died the same day and have consecutive certificate numbers.
>>
>>
>>
>> The birth date seems to fit with the Antonio born in Pico, brother to
>> Eduardo
>>
>>
>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=jose;n=avila;oc=3
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=pt;p=jose+de;n=avila;oc=2
>>
>> *José Ávila   Casado a 29 de Abril de 1872com Laureana
>> São José 1849*
>>
>> * tiveram*
>>
>>
>> *Manuel ? 1872 *
>>
>> *José de Ávila Bettencourt 1875*
>>
>> *Eduardo 1880-1958first three born in
>> Lajes*
>>
>>  *António ? 1886  born in Sao Roque*
>>
>> Can't figure why the Silva name appears.
>>
>> here is the marriage record from the San Luis Obispo Geneaological
>> Society page
>>
>> *Pimentel, Maria V andBettencourt, Antonio A
>>  married 24 Nov 1909*
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 2:07 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>>
>>> The Cretic arriving 13 Nov 1912 . Fayal to Boston shows Eduardo Avila
>>> from Sao Roque, Pico leaving his wife Maria dos Anjos de Conceiaco to join
>>> his brother Manuel Sylvia Avila in New Bedford. He was born in Lajes, Pico
>>>
>>> THis matches this family group from The NEPS Lajes records:
>>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=eduardo;n=avila
>>>
>>> Eduardo Ávila
>>>
>>> Nascido a 28 de Novembro de 1880 - Lajes do Pico
>>>
>>> Falecido a 21 de Abril de 1958 - Lajes do Pico
>>>
>>> Com a idade de 77 anos
>>>
>>> Pais
>>>
>>> José Ávila 1845
>>> Laureana São José 1849
>>>
>>> Casamentos e filhos
>>>
>>> Casado a 9 de Maio de 1898 com Maria Anjos 1876, tiveram:
>>>
>>> Manuel ? 1899
>>>
>>>
>>> The Canopic arriving at Boston on 14 Apr 1917 shows Jose and Isaura
>>> Avila leaving their mother, Maria A Avila in Sao Roque, Pico, and joinging
>>> their father Eduardo Avila in Los Alamos, Santa Barbara, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:50 AM, luiznoia . 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have researched Avila families from Pico on the Central Coast of
>>>> California before.
>>>>
>>>> I cannot make sense of your questions. Please list the family group you
>>>> have the most documented facts about, then on one line each, the people
>>>> associated with that group.
>>>>
>>>> Lose the attachments, if you downloaded them from a " Family Crest "
>>>> site they may be virus ridden.
>>>>
>>>> A search through the NEPS site for Sao Roque freguisia show only one
>>>> person with a given name of Eduardo de Avila b. 1880, and died there in
>>>> 1958. He has a brother Antonio b. 1886 no further info, and no Bettencourt
>>>> connections
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eric Edgar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Portugues Silva <
>>>> portugues@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Olá ..Fellow Azoreans...LOOK FOR THESE FAMILIES~AVILA BETTENCOURT OR
>>>>> AVILA, BETTENCOURT.
>>>>>
>>>>> My grandfather Antonio Avila Bettencourt and his Br

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Avila Bettencourt, Sao Roque, Ilha Do Pico.

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http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=pt;p=jose+de+avila;n=bettencourt



On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:38 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> This is the couple I researched before. It was for someone on this group,
> I recall.
>
>
> * SILVA   ANTONIO   AVILA   1886   01   04   BENTENCOURT   BENTENCOURT
> MALE   RE   SANTA BARBARA   1952   10   0766   1235925  *
>
> * SILVA   MARIE   AVILA   1888   07   01   VIERRA   PEMENTEL   FEMALE
>   RE   SANTA BARBARA   1952   10   07  64   1235996 *
>
> They died the same day and have consecutive certificate numbers.
>
>
>
> The birth date seems to fit with the Antonio born in Pico, brother to
> Eduardo
>
>
> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=jose;n=avila;oc=3
>
>
>
> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=pt;p=jose+de;n=avila;oc=2
>
> *José Ávila   Casado a 29 de Abril de 1872com Laureana São
> José 1849*
>
> * tiveram*
>
>
> *Manuel ? 1872 *
>
> *José de Ávila Bettencourt 1875*
>
> *Eduardo 1880-1958first three born in
> Lajes*
>
>  *António ? 1886  born in Sao Roque*
>
> Can't figure why the Silva name appears.
>
> here is the marriage record from the San Luis Obispo Geneaological Society
> page
>
> *Pimentel, Maria V andBettencourt, Antonio A
>  married 24 Nov 1909*
>
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 2:07 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>
>> The Cretic arriving 13 Nov 1912 . Fayal to Boston shows Eduardo Avila
>> from Sao Roque, Pico leaving his wife Maria dos Anjos de Conceiaco to join
>> his brother Manuel Sylvia Avila in New Bedford. He was born in Lajes, Pico
>>
>> THis matches this family group from The NEPS Lajes records:
>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=eduardo;n=avila
>>
>> Eduardo Ávila
>>
>> Nascido a 28 de Novembro de 1880 - Lajes do Pico
>>
>> Falecido a 21 de Abril de 1958 - Lajes do Pico
>>
>> Com a idade de 77 anos
>>
>> Pais
>>
>> José Ávila 1845
>> Laureana São José 1849
>>
>> Casamentos e filhos
>>
>> Casado a 9 de Maio de 1898 com Maria Anjos 1876, tiveram:
>>
>> Manuel ? 1899
>>
>>
>> The Canopic arriving at Boston on 14 Apr 1917 shows Jose and Isaura Avila
>> leaving their mother, Maria A Avila in Sao Roque, Pico, and joinging their
>> father Eduardo Avila in Los Alamos, Santa Barbara, CA
>>
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:50 AM, luiznoia . 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have researched Avila families from Pico on the Central Coast of
>>> California before.
>>>
>>> I cannot make sense of your questions. Please list the family group you
>>> have the most documented facts about, then on one line each, the people
>>> associated with that group.
>>>
>>> Lose the attachments, if you downloaded them from a " Family Crest "
>>> site they may be virus ridden.
>>>
>>> A search through the NEPS site for Sao Roque freguisia show only one
>>> person with a given name of Eduardo de Avila b. 1880, and died there in
>>> 1958. He has a brother Antonio b. 1886 no further info, and no Bettencourt
>>> connections
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Edgar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Portugues Silva <
>>> portugues@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Olá ..Fellow Azoreans...LOOK FOR THESE FAMILIES~AVILA BETTENCOURT OR
>>>> AVILA, BETTENCOURT.
>>>>
>>>> My grandfather Antonio Avila Bettencourt and his Brother Edwardo
>>>> (Edward, Edwin) HE went by Avila when he came to America.  There were 2
>>>> other brothers in that family too. Manuel and Jose. WE have no info on the
>>>> families of these 2 brother or when they passed away.  I'm really in need
>>>> of the info for my 3rd cousin Hazel, who is 90 y/o  (for her peace of mind)
>>>> and she has been looking for her aunts and uncles that were left behind.
>>>> CIRCA 1917.  That family had 9 children from Edwardo (Avila) Bettencourt
>>>> and Maria Da Silva. 4 boys and 5 girls.  4 children came to America 3 boys
>>>> and 1 girl and that girl is my 2nd cousin, my Grandfathers niece, Isaura
>>>> (Hazel), so 5 were left behind, 1 boy and 4 girls...there was a set of 
>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Avila Bettencourt, Sao Roque, Ilha Do Pico.

[luiznoia .]

The Cretic arriving 13 Nov 1912 . Fayal to Boston shows Eduardo Avila from
Sao Roque, Pico leaving his wife Maria dos Anjos de Conceiaco to join his
brother Manuel Sylvia Avila in New Bedford. He was born in Lajes, Pico

THis matches this family group from The NEPS Lajes records:
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=eduardo;n=avila

Eduardo Ávila

Nascido a 28 de Novembro de 1880 - Lajes do Pico

Falecido a 21 de Abril de 1958 - Lajes do Pico

Com a idade de 77 anos

Pais

José Ávila 1845
Laureana São José 1849

Casamentos e filhos

Casado a 9 de Maio de 1898 com Maria Anjos 1876, tiveram:

Manuel ? 1899


The Canopic arriving at Boston on 14 Apr 1917 shows Jose and Isaura Avila
leaving their mother, Maria A Avila in Sao Roque, Pico, and joinging their
father Eduardo Avila in Los Alamos, Santa Barbara, CA


Eric



On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:50 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> I have researched Avila families from Pico on the Central Coast of
> California before.
>
> I cannot make sense of your questions. Please list the family group you
> have the most documented facts about, then on one line each, the people
> associated with that group.
>
> Lose the attachments, if you downloaded them from a " Family Crest " site
> they may be virus ridden.
>
> A search through the NEPS site for Sao Roque freguisia show only one
> person with a given name of Eduardo de Avila b. 1880, and died there in
> 1958. He has a brother Antonio b. 1886 no further info, and no Bettencourt
> connections
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Portugues Silva 
> wrote:
>
>> Olá ..Fellow Azoreans...LOOK FOR THESE FAMILIES~AVILA BETTENCOURT OR
>> AVILA, BETTENCOURT.
>>
>> My grandfather Antonio Avila Bettencourt and his Brother Edwardo (Edward,
>> Edwin) HE went by Avila when he came to America.  There were 2 other
>> brothers in that family too. Manuel and Jose. WE have no info on the
>> families of these 2 brother or when they passed away.  I'm really in need
>> of the info for my 3rd cousin Hazel, who is 90 y/o  (for her peace of mind)
>> and she has been looking for her aunts and uncles that were left behind.
>> CIRCA 1917.  That family had 9 children from Edwardo (Avila) Bettencourt
>> and Maria Da Silva. 4 boys and 5 girls.  4 children came to America 3 boys
>> and 1 girl and that girl is my 2nd cousin, my Grandfathers niece, Isaura
>> (Hazel), so 5 were left behind, 1 boy and 4 girls...there was a set of twins
>> in that too...don't know if it's 2 girls or 1 of each.PLUS Their mother Maria
>> and she passed sometime between 1917/1919). The Avila Bettencourt family
>> lived in the village of Sao Roque. (north east side of the island). This
>> family that came to America settled on the central coast of California, in
>> the counties of Northern Santa Barbara and South San Luis Obispo.  Any info
>> will surely help us find them and the families today. We greatly appreciate
>> ANY AVILA or BETTENCOURT info...because we are sure that maybe "their"
>> children might of came to america.  Thank You so very much for your help
>> and hopefully we will be able to find some info, ANYTHING...
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese community in Salem/Peabody Massachusetts late 1800's

[luiznoia .]

Barbara,

 one of the childrens birth records shows a different last name for  Rosa .

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12380-93975-70?cc=1536925
 Anthony-  Mothers last "Spinda", all others Thomas. Birth date matches
1900 census.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12149-82329-2?cc=1536925
Mary

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12149-78861-56?cc=1536925
 Thorny

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12319-280037-60?cc=1536925
Nellie



Eric Edgar



On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Barbara Ballantyne <
ballantyne.barb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am tracing the ancestry of Manuel Foster (b. 1860) and Rose Thomas (b.
> 1870) who came to Massachusetts from the Azores (possibly Graciosa) about
> 1882 and married in Salem in 1888. They later settled in Peabody. I am
> interested in the Portuguese community of this time period and hope to
> trace them back to their birthplaces. Any guidance would be appreciated.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flores

[luiznoia .]

Steve and I worked on this couple last year.

The Caetano de Freitas on the Pacific whaler is not his guy, but may be his
relative. There seem to be two "Caetano de Freitas" groups in Flores. One
centered in Lajes and Lomba, and the other on Santa Cruz


With all the resources available for Flores online or as ebook, I think you
will be able to do more research at home than on the island.


Eric


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:06 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:

>
> baptism, Santa Cruz das Flores 28 April 1845
>
> * Caetano de Freitas, *
>
> * child of *
>  *Joao de Freitas, and Catharina de Jesus*
>
> *paternos*
>
> *Manuel de Freitas, Maria Jose*
>
> *maternos*
>
> *Jose Pimentel, Maria de Jesus*
>
> *padrino - Jacinto de Mendonca*
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>> The records for Flores are held in the district archive. The district
>> archive for Flores is in Horta, on Faial.
>>
>> Records are organized by freguesia (village). So you need your freguesia
>> to begin searching.
>>
>> Cheri
>> On Jun 6, 2014 6:51 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> It turns out I will be traveling to the Azores for three weeks in July!
>>> I'll spend some time on São Miguel, Faial, Flores, and maybe Pico. I will
>>> be on Flores for the Festa do Emigrante. While I am there I'd like to do
>>> some family research. Does anyone know if there is an accessible archive on
>>> Flores? I am looking for birth records for my great-great-grandparents:
>>> Caetano Freitas (born 5 August, 1845) and Mary Isabel Avellar (born 7 Feb.
>>> 1855). They were married and died in California, so I don't expect to find
>>> anything on them after their birth. But it would be great if I could find
>>> their parents or other family members. No idea what freguesias they came
>>> from. I was always told they were from Pico, until a third cousin found a
>>> death record for Caetano in California that listed his place of birth as
>>> Flores, Azores.
>>>
>>> Obrigado,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] John Emmanuel Silva. Born 1837.

[luiznoia .]

Cari,

This is from B. Clay Shannon's book, Still casting Shadows.

http://books.google.com/books?id=4IK1oEBpfJMC&q=gorham#v=onepage&q=silva&f=false

I believe that while he has stated there is confusion about the John P
Silva also local, he has perpetuated the confusion by showing the
birthplace as Topo, Sao Jorge.

Eric


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:25 PM, crwalke...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Etta Bush is my great great grandma. She had a daughter (violet bush
> /1908-1995)  who was my great grandma and my grandmother was lois rickard.
>
> Cari Walker
>
> On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:48 PM, "luiznoia ."  wrote:
>
> This person is looking for the same family:
>
> > Still looking for ggrandfather John, up in Humbolt Co. CA. His
> > children; Anna Silva Rocha; Nellie (Etta) Silva Bush; Rosa Camille
> > Silva Look; Johnnie R Silva; Emma Silva Nelson ( my grandmother);
> > Alice Silva Cale; Mildred (Millie) Silva Cabral; Francis Silva. The
> > first child was born in Aug 1882 and the last July 1902 when his
> > mother died when he was a couple days old. Thier mother Mary Gorham
> > was wiyot Indian and English.
>
> No link on the post was active
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:44 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>
>> Half knowing who your looking for is knowing who they are not. This is
>> from Humboldt County Biographies, and should rule out this John Silva
>>
>> JOHN P. SILVA.--A native of the Azores Islands, where he was born on
>> February 25, 1855, in the city of Topo, St. George, John P. Silva is the
>> son of Joseph F., a farmer and native of that place, and Mary (San Jose)
>> Silva, both of whom died at their old home. Of the family of nine children,
>> John P. was the youngest, and grew up like other farmers' boys of the
>> locality, receiving his education in the local public schools. At the age
>> of eighteen years he left home, coming to the United States in 1873, and
>> stopping first at New Bedford, Mass., later securing employment in the
>> brickyards of Taunton, Mass., and also on a farm near there, and in cotton
>> factories in New Bedford. After five years spent in these varied
>> employments, Mr. Silva returned to St. George for a visit to his home,
>> remaining there a year, and meanwhile, in May, 1880, marrying Miss
>> Henrietta C. Machado, who was born in the city of Calheta, St. George, the
>> daughter of Antone and Firmina (Olivera) Machado, natives of that place.
>> The bride's father had been a sailor from boyhood, having sailed all over
>> the world and risen to the rank of master in the whaling industry. During
>> the gold excitement in California, as master of a vessel he brought the
>> first lumber from New England around Cape Horn to San Francisco, with which
>> the first wooden house in that city was built, and after coming to
>> California he gave up his ship and engaged in mining, in which he was quite
>> successful, returning afterward to his home at St. George. He made trips
>> thereafter to New Bedford on his vessel with his wife and little daughter,
>> who later became Mrs. Silva, and after living in the Massachusetts town,
>> returned to his old .home on account of poor health, and died there six
>> months later. His wife remained with her daughter, Mrs. Silva, and
>> accompanied her to California, where she spent her last days, her death
>> taking place in Arcata, in 1911, she being then seventy-four years old.
>> Mrs. Silva has an older brother, Joseph Machado, of New Bedford, who is
>> captain of his own vessel, as was his father.
>>
>> Soon after their marriage in New Bedford, Mr. and Mrs. Silva removed to
>> California, where Mr. Silva for a year followed mining on Cherokee Flats,
>> then coming to Humboldt county in 1881, finding employment there on farms
>> and dairies. By the year 1887 he had saved enough money to permit of his
>> starting in business for himself, and he accordingly leased a ranch of
>> eight hundred acres on Bear river ridge, where he conducted a dairy of
>> sixty cows, panning the milk and skimming by hand, the churning being done
>> by horse power. The butter was taken to Scotia and sold to the Pacific
>> Lumber Company's stores. After continuing in this business for a year, Mr.
>> Silva sold the business and leased a dairy at Rio Dell, consisting of forty
>> cows, selling his milk and butter at Scotia. A year later he removed to
>> Walker's point, where he ran a dairy for a year, at the end of that time
>> removing to Lake Prairie, where he operated a dairy of thirty-five cows and
>> raised cattle and hogs. While living at this place Mrs. Silva with her

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] John Emmanuel Silva. Born 1837.

[luiznoia .]

Cari,

If you compare the staments about John Silva's grandson being instructed to
give the lands to the Wiyots in event of his death, it's clear the
information is poorly researched.

The grandson, Henry Look was born in 1908, so if John Silva died 1905-1908,
this is ruled out.

Eric


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:07 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> Cari,
>
> This is from B. Clay Shannon's book, Still casting Shadows.
>
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=4IK1oEBpfJMC&q=gorham#v=onepage&q=silva&f=false
>
> I believe that while he has stated there is confusion about the John P
> Silva also local, he has perpetuated the confusion by showing the
> birthplace as Topo, Sao Jorge.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:25 PM, crwalke...@gmail.com  > wrote:
>
>> Etta Bush is my great great grandma. She had a daughter (violet bush
>> /1908-1995)  who was my great grandma and my grandmother was lois rickard.
>>
>> Cari Walker
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:48 PM, "luiznoia ."  wrote:
>>
>> This person is looking for the same family:
>>
>> > Still looking for ggrandfather John, up in Humbolt Co. CA. His
>> > children; Anna Silva Rocha; Nellie (Etta) Silva Bush; Rosa Camille
>> > Silva Look; Johnnie R Silva; Emma Silva Nelson ( my grandmother);
>> > Alice Silva Cale; Mildred (Millie) Silva Cabral; Francis Silva. The
>> > first child was born in Aug 1882 and the last July 1902 when his
>> > mother died when he was a couple days old. Thier mother Mary Gorham
>> > was wiyot Indian and English.
>>
>> No link on the post was active
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:44 PM, luiznoia . 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Half knowing who your looking for is knowing who they are not. This is
>>> from Humboldt County Biographies, and should rule out this John Silva
>>>
>>> JOHN P. SILVA.--A native of the Azores Islands, where he was born on
>>> February 25, 1855, in the city of Topo, St. George, John P. Silva is the
>>> son of Joseph F., a farmer and native of that place, and Mary (San Jose)
>>> Silva, both of whom died at their old home. Of the family of nine children,
>>> John P. was the youngest, and grew up like other farmers' boys of the
>>> locality, receiving his education in the local public schools. At the age
>>> of eighteen years he left home, coming to the United States in 1873, and
>>> stopping first at New Bedford, Mass., later securing employment in the
>>> brickyards of Taunton, Mass., and also on a farm near there, and in cotton
>>> factories in New Bedford. After five years spent in these varied
>>> employments, Mr. Silva returned to St. George for a visit to his home,
>>> remaining there a year, and meanwhile, in May, 1880, marrying Miss
>>> Henrietta C. Machado, who was born in the city of Calheta, St. George, the
>>> daughter of Antone and Firmina (Olivera) Machado, natives of that place.
>>> The bride's father had been a sailor from boyhood, having sailed all over
>>> the world and risen to the rank of master in the whaling industry. During
>>> the gold excitement in California, as master of a vessel he brought the
>>> first lumber from New England around Cape Horn to San Francisco, with which
>>> the first wooden house in that city was built, and after coming to
>>> California he gave up his ship and engaged in mining, in which he was quite
>>> successful, returning afterward to his home at St. George. He made trips
>>> thereafter to New Bedford on his vessel with his wife and little daughter,
>>> who later became Mrs. Silva, and after living in the Massachusetts town,
>>> returned to his old .home on account of poor health, and died there six
>>> months later. His wife remained with her daughter, Mrs. Silva, and
>>> accompanied her to California, where she spent her last days, her death
>>> taking place in Arcata, in 1911, she being then seventy-four years old.
>>> Mrs. Silva has an older brother, Joseph Machado, of New Bedford, who is
>>> captain of his own vessel, as was his father.
>>>
>>> Soon after their marriage in New Bedford, Mr. and Mrs. Silva removed to
>>> California, where Mr. Silva for a year followed mining on Cherokee Flats,
>>> then coming to Humboldt county in 1881, finding employment there on farms
>>> and dairies. By the year 1887 he had saved enough money to permit of his
>>> starting in business for himself, and he accordingly leased a ranch of
>>> eight hundred acres on Bear river ridge, where he conducted a d

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] John Emmanuel Silva. Born 1837.

[luiznoia .]

This person is looking for the same family:

> Still looking for ggrandfather John, up in Humbolt Co. CA. His
> children; Anna Silva Rocha; Nellie (Etta) Silva Bush; Rosa Camille
> Silva Look; Johnnie R Silva; Emma Silva Nelson ( my grandmother);
> Alice Silva Cale; Mildred (Millie) Silva Cabral; Francis Silva. The
> first child was born in Aug 1882 and the last July 1902 when his
> mother died when he was a couple days old. Thier mother Mary Gorham
> was wiyot Indian and English.

No link on the post was active


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:44 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> Half knowing who your looking for is knowing who they are not. This is
> from Humboldt County Biographies, and should rule out this John Silva
>
> JOHN P. SILVA.--A native of the Azores Islands, where he was born on
> February 25, 1855, in the city of Topo, St. George, John P. Silva is the
> son of Joseph F., a farmer and native of that place, and Mary (San Jose)
> Silva, both of whom died at their old home. Of the family of nine children,
> John P. was the youngest, and grew up like other farmers' boys of the
> locality, receiving his education in the local public schools. At the age
> of eighteen years he left home, coming to the United States in 1873, and
> stopping first at New Bedford, Mass., later securing employment in the
> brickyards of Taunton, Mass., and also on a farm near there, and in cotton
> factories in New Bedford. After five years spent in these varied
> employments, Mr. Silva returned to St. George for a visit to his home,
> remaining there a year, and meanwhile, in May, 1880, marrying Miss
> Henrietta C. Machado, who was born in the city of Calheta, St. George, the
> daughter of Antone and Firmina (Olivera) Machado, natives of that place.
> The bride's father had been a sailor from boyhood, having sailed all over
> the world and risen to the rank of master in the whaling industry. During
> the gold excitement in California, as master of a vessel he brought the
> first lumber from New England around Cape Horn to San Francisco, with which
> the first wooden house in that city was built, and after coming to
> California he gave up his ship and engaged in mining, in which he was quite
> successful, returning afterward to his home at St. George. He made trips
> thereafter to New Bedford on his vessel with his wife and little daughter,
> who later became Mrs. Silva, and after living in the Massachusetts town,
> returned to his old .home on account of poor health, and died there six
> months later. His wife remained with her daughter, Mrs. Silva, and
> accompanied her to California, where she spent her last days, her death
> taking place in Arcata, in 1911, she being then seventy-four years old.
> Mrs. Silva has an older brother, Joseph Machado, of New Bedford, who is
> captain of his own vessel, as was his father.
>
> Soon after their marriage in New Bedford, Mr. and Mrs. Silva removed to
> California, where Mr. Silva for a year followed mining on Cherokee Flats,
> then coming to Humboldt county in 1881, finding employment there on farms
> and dairies. By the year 1887 he had saved enough money to permit of his
> starting in business for himself, and he accordingly leased a ranch of
> eight hundred acres on Bear river ridge, where he conducted a dairy of
> sixty cows, panning the milk and skimming by hand, the churning being done
> by horse power. The butter was taken to Scotia and sold to the Pacific
> Lumber Company's stores. After continuing in this business for a year, Mr.
> Silva sold the business and leased a dairy at Rio Dell, consisting of forty
> cows, selling his milk and butter at Scotia. A year later he removed to
> Walker's point, where he ran a dairy for a year, at the end of that time
> removing to Lake Prairie, where he operated a dairy of thirty-five cows and
> raised cattle and hogs. While living at this place Mrs. Silva with her
> mother and child returned to her home in the Azores in order to sell their
> property there and locate permanently in California, and during her absence
> Mr. Silva leased a dairy ranch at Bald Mountain of eleven hundred acres,
> remaining there a year. He was also interested in the building of a
> creamery at Bayside, of which for three years he acted as first manager.
> His present place, consisting of twenty-two acres at Arcata, was then
> purchased, where he built a creamery, operating Ihe same for three years
> before selling it and purchasing the Rosson ranch of twelve hundred acres
> at Bald Mountain, where for seven years he engaged in stock-raising and
> dairy farming, then renting the place, which has since been leased for a
> dairy and stock ranch. Mr. Silva now makes his home at Arcata, where, with
> Mr. Olivera, he has a small dairy, likewise leasing th

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] John Emmanuel Silva. Born 1837.

[luiznoia .]

According to the California Great Registers of 1892 and 1896 , John Silva
of Table Bluff, Humboldt County was naturailzed at Humboldt County on 6
August 1882. His age in 1892 is 50 yrs and in 1896 54 yrs

His marriage to Mary A Gorham took place on 23 July 1881 at Humboldt
County.

Mary Silva died in 1902 and is burried in the at the Table Bluff cemetery.

I've seen 8 different Ancestry.com trees with this family. Most seemed to
be citing the other as sources. The documents that they are citing do not
back up the information.

For example marriage date of 23 Jul 1881 is citing the 1900 census as the
source. The census states they have been married 7 years. This is a very
common problem.



What is your source for John Silva using Emmanuel as Middle name? Some
trees say V is the initial.

What source for Topo Sao Jorge as a birthplace? The CCA shows no one in the
Topo baptisms for that person from Jan 1835 to Mar 1838


Eric Edgar


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wrote:

> He migrated to US. Not sure when but i think it was in his 30's. Married
> Mary L gorham (1864-1902). Children were joseph, louisa, andrew, mary A l,
> frank, etta mae( my great great gma) rose, johnnie, lena, emma, charles,
> alice and mildred.  He passed away 1943. Vallejo, ca.   Might have also
> been married to a lady names Isabel (born about 1850)
>
> Cari Walker
>
> > On Jun 2, 2014, at 6:53 AM, Adair Borba  wrote:
> >
> > Cari,
> >
> > Can you identify some of the people you have that surround John
> Emmanuel? Wife, siblings, children etc?  Did he migrate to the US?
> >
> > Adair
> >> On May 27, 2014, at 1:06 PM, cari walker wrote:
> >>
> >> Looking for details on John Emmauel Silva. Born Feb 1837. Tope, Saint
> Gorge, Azores.   Can't locate any information past him.   Any suggestions?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records from Pico for Manoel

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Do you need the translation?
Manuel , son of Jose Silveira Rosa and his wife Isabel Pereira of the town
of Santa Cruz in the parish of Santa Barbara,, he was born 20 January 1820




On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 4:05 PM, BOBCAMSCPW via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>  So I am sorry but what does this mean.  Is this Manoel and not sure of
> the rest?
> Bob
>
>  In a message dated 5/28/2014 10:16:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> noblankt...@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> Manoel filho de Jose Siveira Roza e sua mulher Isabel Pereira ..de lugares
> de Santa Cruz de este fregusia de Santa Barbara .. nasceu viente seis
> Janeiro...mil oito centos e viente
>
> padrinhos ... Joao Silveira e sua mulher Isabel Francisca
>
>
>
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Bob C,
>>
>> I'm curious how you ascertain from a baptism that only gives the first
>> name (in this case, Manuel) that it is Manuel Jose da Silva from 1820.
>> Most people find read the year the hardest since it's written out long
>> hand, yet you are able to make that out.  I'm just scratching my head over
>> this, trying to figure out what you can read and what you can't.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pimentel, Lomba das Flores, mid-1800s

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Here's Sebastiao Pimentel's obito.
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900/FLR-LF-LOMBA-O-1891-1900_item1/P21.html

he's 71 yrs in 1892

Here's a marriage record with another example of the Pimentel Queiro
 surname



António José [f.º de António Rodrigues Chequito e de Francisca Pimentel]

 c. 1765.11.03

 c. Antónia Maria [f.ª de António* Pimentel Queiró *e de Bárbara Furtado].


On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:48 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> Here is why Jose went back.
>
> To get married
>
> José Sebastião Pimentel [26 anos, f.º de Sebastião José Pimentel e de
> Maria da Trindade do Coração de Jesus]
>
>  c. 1886.08.19
>
>  c. Maria Gonçalves de Freitas [18 anos, f.ª de João António Gonçalves e
> de Isabel da Trindade do Coração de Jesus].
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:50 AM, luiznoia . wrote:
>
>> Here's brother Jose making the return from a trip back home to Lomba.
>> He's heading to  Modesto
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:47 AM, luiznoia . wrote:
>>
>>> Here's Frank Pimentel Srs brother Jose being a community leader taking
>>> up a collection for the church at Lajedo, Flores.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:44 AM, luiznoia . wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks like the Pimentel brothers, like  number of other Portuguese
>>>> sheephearders were taking advantage of the mining boom out in central
>>>> Nevada around Austin to make a buck.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> " The Senhors, Jose Sebastiao Pimentel and brother also sold their
>>>> herds, but these $ 250, which was a good price, realizing about 7,000
>>>> dollars"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM, luiznoia . wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Last_NameFirst_NameMiddle_NameD_MoD_DyD_YrCounty_of_Deathidno
>>>>>  PIMENTEL   FRANK  J  07  06  1929  FRESNO  1115062
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 6:19 PM, luiznoia . wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Frank J Pimentel that died in California in 1929 was born in 1904
>>>>>> and is buried in Turlock, Stanislaus County.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:14 PM, luiznoia . wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This link for John Pimentel suggests he is Frank's brother
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874_item1/P112.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No  8  Joao de Sebastiao Jose e Maria  Trindade paternos - Jose
>>>>>>> Pimentel queiro ? e Sebastiana de Jesus  maternos - Manual Caetano
>>>>>>> Trigueiro e Maria Trindade
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:59 PM, John Vasconcelos <
>>>>>>> gfsjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Cousin(?) Mary,
>>>>>>>> I was born and raised in the Fresno area and my father was born in
>>>>>>>> Lomba Flores, immigrated to the US in 1909, initially to Montana but
>>>>>>>> eventually settling in the Fresno area. Growing up, I knew many 
>>>>>>>> Pimentels,
>>>>>>>> some of whom called my mother "prima' (cousin.) We used to run into 
>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>> other regularly  at the Portuguese Festas either at the old Portuguese 
>>>>>>>> Hall
>>>>>>>> at North and Orange and more recently at the new Portuguese hall in 
>>>>>>>> Easton.
>>>>>>>> On Sundays we often would see each other at St Alphonsus church on 
>>>>>>>> Kearney
>>>>>>>> Ave in west Fresno. Did by any chance part of your family move to Boise
>>>>>>>> Idaho from Fresno?  If you contact me privately, I can give you more
>>>>>>>> details about our possible relationship.
>>>>>>>> John Vasconcelos
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Cheri Mello 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pimentel, Lomba das Flores, mid-1800s

[luiznoia .]

Here is the link to the baptism for Francisco son of Sebastiao Jose queiro?
and Maria Trindade. The paternos and maternos match those of the Jose and
Joao sent earlier

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874_item1/P41.html

at top right no 12


Eric Edgar


On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:20 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> PIMENTEL  JOSE  S  1864  11  12  TRINIDAD  PIMENTEL  MALE  RE  ALAMEDA
>  1941  03  0776  141216  PIMENTEL  JOHN  S  1868  03  26  TRIGUERO
>  PIMENTEL  MALE  RE  FRESNO  1946  05  2278  602655
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM, luiznoia . wrote:
>
>> Last_NameFirst_NameMiddle_NameD_MoD_DyD_YrCounty_of_Deathidno PIMENTEL
>>  FRANK  J  07  06  1929  FRESNO  1115062
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 6:19 PM, luiznoia . wrote:
>>
>>> The Frank J Pimentel that died in California in 1929 was born in 1904
>>> and is buried in Turlock, Stanislaus County.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:14 PM, luiznoia . wrote:
>>>
>>>> This link for John Pimentel suggests he is Frank's brother
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874_item1/P112.html
>>>>
>>>> No  8  Joao de Sebastiao Jose e Maria  Trindade paternos - Jose
>>>> Pimentel queiro ? e Sebastiana de Jesus  maternos - Manual Caetano
>>>> Trigueiro e Maria Trindade
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:59 PM, John Vasconcelos 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Cousin(?) Mary,
>>>>> I was born and raised in the Fresno area and my father was born in
>>>>> Lomba Flores, immigrated to the US in 1909, initially to Montana but
>>>>> eventually settling in the Fresno area. Growing up, I knew many Pimentels,
>>>>> some of whom called my mother "prima' (cousin.) We used to run into each
>>>>> other regularly  at the Portuguese Festas either at the old Portuguese 
>>>>> Hall
>>>>> at North and Orange and more recently at the new Portuguese hall in 
>>>>> Easton.
>>>>> On Sundays we often would see each other at St Alphonsus church on Kearney
>>>>> Ave in west Fresno. Did by any chance part of your family move to Boise
>>>>> Idaho from Fresno?  If you contact me privately, I can give you more
>>>>> details about our possible relationship.
>>>>> John Vasconcelos
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Repost for Mary Pimentel Wheeler, pimwheel at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm stuck on my research on the Pimentel's from Flores.  My GGF was
>>>>>> born in Lomba Flores - his name was Frank/Francisco Joseph Pimentel.  DOB
>>>>>> was January 1854, and died in Fresno in 1929.  His son was Frank Joseph
>>>>>> Pimentel, who married Louise Evangelho.  His daughter was Marie Pimentel,
>>>>>> who married John Pimentel just to confuse things even more :-).  As I
>>>>>> recall growing up, there were several Frank Pimentel's in the Fresno 
>>>>>> area,
>>>>>> which makes figuring out which one is my Frank a bit confusing.  I was
>>>>>> wondering if anyone has documentation that ties back to either my GF or
>>>>>> GGF?  Here is what I have so far in terms of dates, places of birth etc:
>>>>>> I'm especially interested in the information from the Azores.  Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grandfather - Frank (Francisco) Joseph Pimentel Jr - Born Sept 6,
>>>>>> 1899 Providence RI. Married to Louise (Luisa) Evangelho - Born July 4 or 
>>>>>> 5,
>>>>>> 1900
>>>>>> GGrandfather - Frank (Francisco) Joseph Pimentel, Born January 1854
>>>>>> Lamba, Flores, Azores. Married tin Rhoad Islan to Mary Ann Green (?)  in
>>>>>> 1890 or 1898 (sources conflict on the year).  I'm told he was a whaler,
>>>>>> someone in the family had an ivory thimble he used when he mended sails 
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the ships he was on.
>>>>>> GGGrandfather - possibly Jose Sebastio Pimentel. but I do not have
>>>>>> other information or co

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pimentel, Lomba das Flores, mid-1800s

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Last_NameFirst_NameMiddle_NameD_MoD_DyD_YrCounty_of_Deathidno PIMENTEL
 FRANK  J  07  06  1929  FRESNO  1115062





On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 6:19 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> The Frank J Pimentel that died in California in 1929 was born in 1904 and
> is buried in Turlock, Stanislaus County.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:14 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>
>> This link for John Pimentel suggests he is Frank's brother
>>
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874_item1/P112.html
>>
>> No  8  Joao de Sebastiao Jose e Maria  Trindade paternos - Jose Pimentel
>> queiro ? e Sebastiana de Jesus  maternos - Manual Caetano Trigueiro e Maria
>> Trindade
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:59 PM, John Vasconcelos wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Cousin(?) Mary,
>>> I was born and raised in the Fresno area and my father was born in Lomba
>>> Flores, immigrated to the US in 1909, initially to Montana but eventually
>>> settling in the Fresno area. Growing up, I knew many Pimentels, some of
>>> whom called my mother "prima' (cousin.) We used to run into each other
>>> regularly  at the Portuguese Festas either at the old Portuguese Hall at
>>> North and Orange and more recently at the new Portuguese hall in Easton. On
>>> Sundays we often would see each other at St Alphonsus church on Kearney Ave
>>> in west Fresno. Did by any chance part of your family move to Boise Idaho
>>> from Fresno?  If you contact me privately, I can give you more details
>>> about our possible relationship.
>>> John Vasconcelos
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>>> Repost for Mary Pimentel Wheeler, pimwheel at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> I'm stuck on my research on the Pimentel's from Flores.  My GGF was
>>>> born in Lomba Flores - his name was Frank/Francisco Joseph Pimentel.  DOB
>>>> was January 1854, and died in Fresno in 1929.  His son was Frank Joseph
>>>> Pimentel, who married Louise Evangelho.  His daughter was Marie Pimentel,
>>>> who married John Pimentel just to confuse things even more :-).  As I
>>>> recall growing up, there were several Frank Pimentel's in the Fresno area,
>>>> which makes figuring out which one is my Frank a bit confusing.  I was
>>>> wondering if anyone has documentation that ties back to either my GF or
>>>> GGF?  Here is what I have so far in terms of dates, places of birth etc:
>>>> I'm especially interested in the information from the Azores.  Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Grandfather - Frank (Francisco) Joseph Pimentel Jr - Born Sept 6, 1899
>>>> Providence RI. Married to Louise (Luisa) Evangelho - Born July 4 or 5, 1900
>>>> GGrandfather - Frank (Francisco) Joseph Pimentel, Born January 1854
>>>> Lamba, Flores, Azores. Married tin Rhoad Islan to Mary Ann Green (?)  in
>>>> 1890 or 1898 (sources conflict on the year).  I'm told he was a whaler,
>>>> someone in the family had an ivory thimble he used when he mended sails on
>>>> the ships he was on.
>>>> GGGrandfather - possibly Jose Sebastio Pimentel. but I do not have
>>>> other information or confirmation.I'm presuming he was born and died in
>>>> the Azores.
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pimentel, Lomba das Flores, mid-1800s

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PIMENTEL  JOSE  S  1864  11  12  TRINIDAD  PIMENTEL  MALE  RE  ALAMEDA
 1941  03  0776  141216  PIMENTEL  JOHN  S  1868  03  26  TRIGUERO
 PIMENTEL  MALE  RE  FRESNO  1946  05  2278  602655


On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> Last_NameFirst_NameMiddle_NameD_MoD_DyD_YrCounty_of_Deathidno PIMENTEL
>  FRANK  J  07  06  1929  FRESNO  1115062
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 6:19 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>
>> The Frank J Pimentel that died in California in 1929 was born in 1904 and
>> is buried in Turlock, Stanislaus County.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:14 PM, luiznoia . wrote:
>>
>>> This link for John Pimentel suggests he is Frank's brother
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874_item1/P112.html
>>>
>>> No  8  Joao de Sebastiao Jose e Maria  Trindade paternos - Jose Pimentel
>>> queiro ? e Sebastiana de Jesus  maternos - Manual Caetano Trigueiro e Maria
>>> Trindade
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:59 PM, John Vasconcelos wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Cousin(?) Mary,
>>>> I was born and raised in the Fresno area and my father was born in
>>>> Lomba Flores, immigrated to the US in 1909, initially to Montana but
>>>> eventually settling in the Fresno area. Growing up, I knew many Pimentels,
>>>> some of whom called my mother "prima' (cousin.) We used to run into each
>>>> other regularly  at the Portuguese Festas either at the old Portuguese Hall
>>>> at North and Orange and more recently at the new Portuguese hall in Easton.
>>>> On Sundays we often would see each other at St Alphonsus church on Kearney
>>>> Ave in west Fresno. Did by any chance part of your family move to Boise
>>>> Idaho from Fresno?  If you contact me privately, I can give you more
>>>> details about our possible relationship.
>>>> John Vasconcelos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Repost for Mary Pimentel Wheeler, pimwheel at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm stuck on my research on the Pimentel's from Flores.  My GGF was
>>>>> born in Lomba Flores - his name was Frank/Francisco Joseph Pimentel.  DOB
>>>>> was January 1854, and died in Fresno in 1929.  His son was Frank Joseph
>>>>> Pimentel, who married Louise Evangelho.  His daughter was Marie Pimentel,
>>>>> who married John Pimentel just to confuse things even more :-).  As I
>>>>> recall growing up, there were several Frank Pimentel's in the Fresno area,
>>>>> which makes figuring out which one is my Frank a bit confusing.  I was
>>>>> wondering if anyone has documentation that ties back to either my GF or
>>>>> GGF?  Here is what I have so far in terms of dates, places of birth etc:
>>>>> I'm especially interested in the information from the Azores.  Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Grandfather - Frank (Francisco) Joseph Pimentel Jr - Born Sept 6, 1899
>>>>> Providence RI. Married to Louise (Luisa) Evangelho - Born July 4 or 5, 
>>>>> 1900
>>>>> GGrandfather - Frank (Francisco) Joseph Pimentel, Born January 1854
>>>>> Lamba, Flores, Azores. Married tin Rhoad Islan to Mary Ann Green (?)  in
>>>>> 1890 or 1898 (sources conflict on the year).  I'm told he was a whaler,
>>>>> someone in the family had an ivory thimble he used when he mended sails on
>>>>> the ships he was on.
>>>>> GGGrandfather - possibly Jose Sebastio Pimentel. but I do not have
>>>>> other information or confirmation.I'm presuming he was born and died 
>>>>> in
>>>>> the Azores.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records from Pico for Manoel

[luiznoia .]

Manoel filho de Jose Siveira Roza e sua mulher Isabel Pereira ..de lugares
de Santa Cruz de este fregusia de Santa Barbara .. nasceu viente seis
Janeiro...mil oito centos e viente

padrinhos ... Joao Silveira e sua mulher Isabel Francisca





Eric Edgar


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> Bob C,
>
> I'm curious how you ascertain from a baptism that only gives the first
> name (in this case, Manuel) that it is Manuel Jose da Silva from 1820.
> Most people find read the year the hardest since it's written out long
> hand, yet you are able to make that out.  I'm just scratching my head over
> this, trying to figure out what you can read and what you can't.
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pimentel, Lomba das Flores, mid-1800s

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The Frank J Pimentel that died in California in 1929 was born in 1904 and
is buried in Turlock, Stanislaus County.




On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:14 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> This link for John Pimentel suggests he is Frank's brother
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874_item1/P112.html
>
> No  8  Joao de Sebastiao Jose e Maria  Trindade paternos - Jose Pimentel
> queiro ? e Sebastiana de Jesus  maternos - Manual Caetano Trigueiro e Maria
> Trindade
>
>
> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:59 PM, John Vasconcelos wrote:
>
>> Hello Cousin(?) Mary,
>> I was born and raised in the Fresno area and my father was born in Lomba
>> Flores, immigrated to the US in 1909, initially to Montana but eventually
>> settling in the Fresno area. Growing up, I knew many Pimentels, some of
>> whom called my mother "prima' (cousin.) We used to run into each other
>> regularly  at the Portuguese Festas either at the old Portuguese Hall at
>> North and Orange and more recently at the new Portuguese hall in Easton. On
>> Sundays we often would see each other at St Alphonsus church on Kearney Ave
>> in west Fresno. Did by any chance part of your family move to Boise Idaho
>> from Fresno?  If you contact me privately, I can give you more details
>> about our possible relationship.
>> John Vasconcelos
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>>> Repost for Mary Pimentel Wheeler, pimwheel at gmail.com
>>>
>>> I'm stuck on my research on the Pimentel's from Flores.  My GGF was born
>>> in Lomba Flores - his name was Frank/Francisco Joseph Pimentel.  DOB was
>>> January 1854, and died in Fresno in 1929.  His son was Frank Joseph
>>> Pimentel, who married Louise Evangelho.  His daughter was Marie Pimentel,
>>> who married John Pimentel just to confuse things even more :-).  As I
>>> recall growing up, there were several Frank Pimentel's in the Fresno area,
>>> which makes figuring out which one is my Frank a bit confusing.  I was
>>> wondering if anyone has documentation that ties back to either my GF or
>>> GGF?  Here is what I have so far in terms of dates, places of birth etc:
>>> I'm especially interested in the information from the Azores.  Thanks!
>>>
>>> Grandfather - Frank (Francisco) Joseph Pimentel Jr - Born Sept 6, 1899
>>> Providence RI. Married to Louise (Luisa) Evangelho - Born July 4 or 5, 1900
>>> GGrandfather - Frank (Francisco) Joseph Pimentel, Born January 1854
>>> Lamba, Flores, Azores. Married tin Rhoad Islan to Mary Ann Green (?)  in
>>> 1890 or 1898 (sources conflict on the year).  I'm told he was a whaler,
>>> someone in the family had an ivory thimble he used when he mended sails on
>>> the ships he was on.
>>> GGGrandfather - possibly Jose Sebastio Pimentel. but I do not have other
>>> information or confirmation.I'm presuming he was born and died in the
>>> Azores.
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pimentel, Lomba das Flores, mid-1800s

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This link for John Pimentel suggests he is Frank's brother

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874/FLR-LF-LOMBA-B-1844-1874_item1/P112.html

No  8  Joao de Sebastiao Jose e Maria  Trindade paternos - Jose Pimentel
queiro ? e Sebastiana de Jesus  maternos - Manual Caetano Trigueiro e Maria
Trindade


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> Hello Cousin(?) Mary,
> I was born and raised in the Fresno area and my father was born in Lomba
> Flores, immigrated to the US in 1909, initially to Montana but eventually
> settling in the Fresno area. Growing up, I knew many Pimentels, some of
> whom called my mother "prima' (cousin.) We used to run into each other
> regularly  at the Portuguese Festas either at the old Portuguese Hall at
> North and Orange and more recently at the new Portuguese hall in Easton. On
> Sundays we often would see each other at St Alphonsus church on Kearney Ave
> in west Fresno. Did by any chance part of your family move to Boise Idaho
> from Fresno?  If you contact me privately, I can give you more details
> about our possible relationship.
> John Vasconcelos
>
>
> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Repost for Mary Pimentel Wheeler, pimwheel at gmail.com
>>
>> I'm stuck on my research on the Pimentel's from Flores.  My GGF was born
>> in Lomba Flores - his name was Frank/Francisco Joseph Pimentel.  DOB was
>> January 1854, and died in Fresno in 1929.  His son was Frank Joseph
>> Pimentel, who married Louise Evangelho.  His daughter was Marie Pimentel,
>> who married John Pimentel just to confuse things even more :-).  As I
>> recall growing up, there were several Frank Pimentel's in the Fresno area,
>> which makes figuring out which one is my Frank a bit confusing.  I was
>> wondering if anyone has documentation that ties back to either my GF or
>> GGF?  Here is what I have so far in terms of dates, places of birth etc:
>> I'm especially interested in the information from the Azores.  Thanks!
>>
>> Grandfather - Frank (Francisco) Joseph Pimentel Jr - Born Sept 6, 1899
>> Providence RI. Married to Louise (Luisa) Evangelho - Born July 4 or 5, 1900
>> GGrandfather - Frank (Francisco) Joseph Pimentel, Born January 1854
>> Lamba, Flores, Azores. Married tin Rhoad Islan to Mary Ann Green (?)  in
>> 1890 or 1898 (sources conflict on the year).  I'm told he was a whaler,
>> someone in the family had an ivory thimble he used when he mended sails on
>> the ships he was on.
>> GGGrandfather - possibly Jose Sebastio Pimentel. but I do not have other
>> information or confirmation.I'm presuming he was born and died in the
>> Azores.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pimentel, Lomba das Flores, mid-1800s

[luiznoia .]

I recall we had this discussion back in Nov last year. I posted CCA links
with the parentage and some birth and marriage records.


Eric Edgar


On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Mary Pimentel Wheeler, pimwheel at gmail.com
>
> I'm stuck on my research on the Pimentel's from Flores.  My GGF was born
> in Lomba Flores - his name was Frank/Francisco Joseph Pimentel.  DOB was
> January 1854, and died in Fresno in 1929.  His son was Frank Joseph
> Pimentel, who married Louise Evangelho.  His daughter was Marie Pimentel,
> who married John Pimentel just to confuse things even more :-).  As I
> recall growing up, there were several Frank Pimentel's in the Fresno area,
> which makes figuring out which one is my Frank a bit confusing.  I was
> wondering if anyone has documentation that ties back to either my GF or
> GGF?  Here is what I have so far in terms of dates, places of birth etc:
> I'm especially interested in the information from the Azores.  Thanks!
>
> Grandfather - Frank (Francisco) Joseph Pimentel Jr - Born Sept 6, 1899
> Providence RI. Married to Louise (Luisa) Evangelho - Born July 4 or 5, 1900
> GGrandfather - Frank (Francisco) Joseph Pimentel, Born January 1854 Lamba,
> Flores, Azores. Married tin Rhoad Islan to Mary Ann Green (?)  in 1890 or
> 1898 (sources conflict on the year).  I'm told he was a whaler, someone in
> the family had an ivory thimble he used when he mended sails on the ships
> he was on.
> GGGrandfather - possibly Jose Sebastio Pimentel. but I do not have other
> information or confirmation.I'm presuming he was born and died in the
> Azores.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help to solve a mystery for my uncle.

[luiznoia .]

Thanks Doug,

 I was busy on another project, but your tip showed me the mother's
connection to my  Azevedo line in Ribeiras.


Eric


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 6:07 PM,  wrote:

> And I think Eric noticed it, but they also lead to his ancestors. So it
> can't be considered a waste for him, either, unless he doesn't care about
> the more distant connections.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
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>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help to solve a mystery for my
> uncle.
> From: Sandra Valine Dauer 
> Date: Fri, May 23, 2014 5:11 pm
> To: azores 
>
> Even though the information researched is not Helda's Laura; the
> information was helpful to me.
> The surnames of Mitchell or Mason for Moniz and Laureana (born 05 oct 1868
> Lajes do Pico) link  proved new to me.  When I used the relationship link
> on Uminho between Laureana and my Grandfather Manuel (Valim) born 1879,
> they appear to be a 4th generation relationship.  Even though I have not
> researched this line it is a clue for me.  Thanks to all for the
> information.
>
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:33 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>
>> The half-brothers name here is the most important clue. Finding his ship
>> arrival and destination may be the break,
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help to solve a mystery for my uncle.

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The half-brothers name here is the most important clue. Finding his ship
arrival and destination may be the break,

Eric Edgar


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:38 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Helda,
>
> You are very welcome. As you see, there are many people on the list who
> find pleasure in helping solve genealogical mysteries. I hope you find your
> Laura.
>
> John
>   On Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:25 PM, Helda Pritchard <
> heldapritchard22...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
> I would like to thank everyone once again for all the hard work. Because
> of this forum someone found the marriage certificate who stated Laura's
> parents. This helped me very much because I can now rule out this Laura
> from my possible Lauras. I was really excited because the approximate age,
> two sons being about the right age and date of death and where she died
> being right.  This is an excellent forum and I hope that I can help when
> someone asks.
>
> I am sorry that someone feels like I led them on a goose chase this was
> not my intent.
>
> Helda
>
>
> On Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:01:43 PM UTC-5, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:
>
> Hello John,
>
> I had a similar reaction. I thought, wow, that's harsh - my exact words to
> Helda in private.
> For me, I got interested when this Moniz family actually came from Pico,
> because I figured it was way more likely to have come from Sao Miguel, even
> though I know plenty from Pico. It took me only 10 minutes to add the
> family and all ancestors to my database, now going back to the early 1600s.
> It was for my own benefit and no waste of time, whether or not they were
> also Helda's people.
>
> In Helda's defense, she said right up front there is a pai incognito
> involved. She was skeptical from the beginning this was the right person.
> But with so many people jumping in, it got a life of its own and she can't
> be blamed for everyone bending over backwards to see who is the most
> helpful.
>
> Some people ask and get help, but never thank the helper. If that happens
> to me, that's the end of any help by me to them. But everyone needs to cut
> beginners some slack and for the benefit of this list, don't slam the door
> on their faces.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
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>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help to solve a mystery for my
> uncle.
> From: "'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy" 
> Date: Thu, May 22, 2014 1:29 pm
> To: "azo...@googlegroups.com" 
>
> Dear Edgar,
>
> I don't agree with your judgment which seems rather harsh to me.
>
> Speaking only for myself, my work on the list is a pleasant pastime, so
> the time is not really wasted. In fact, it helps keep the genealogical
> sleuthing skills sharp. Naturally, if I had been asked to drop everything
> to help somebody find a relative, only to find that I had been sent on a
> needless, time consuming  fool's errand because someone had omitted
> important information, then I would be very annoyed. But that wasn't the
> case here.
>
> Of course, had I taken Helda on as a client, and worked for a fee, she
> would have needlessly wasted her money. My time would not have been wasted
> since I would have been paid for the time spent on the goose chase.
>
> I was impressed at how many people took up the search and how quickly we
> all got to the bottom of things.
>
> John
>   On Thursday, May 22, 2014 1:20 PM, luiznoia . 
> wrote:
>
>
> Helda,
>
> If you had posted the information you had when you first posted , you
> could have saved the many people the hours spent chasing the wrong person.
>
> You do not deserve anymore of our help.
>
> Eric Edgar
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help to solve a mystery for my uncle.

[luiznoia .]

This is the first thing you should have posted, It would have saved many
hours for many people and may have gotten some solid results.

Eric


On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Helda Pritchard <
heldapritchard22...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Eric
> As I explained my Uncle's grandfather did not give his name to the child.
> I did put the biological fathers year of birth and the brothers year of
> birth. But just in case it helps the biological fathers name is Jose
> Machado Borba Mendoza born march 6 1845 Cahleta, S.Jorge .  The half
> brother was born in 1892. Again Laura was never raised with her father and
> her half brother only met his sister in late 1910's early 1920's when he
> visted her while working for a short while in Alameda California where the
> half brother sent photos to his father on one photo it was of two young men
> in either their late teens early 20's and it stated these are Laura's two
> oldest sons.
> The family never asked who the biological mother was or what was her name.
> However Jose did somehow keep tract of his daughter throughout her life. (I
> do have Jose's family back at least 4 generations.)
>
> That is all we know again no one asked the half brother while he lived
> what her married name was or anything.
>
> H
>
> On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 1:13:23 PM UTC-5, luiznoia wrote:
>
>> Helda,
>>
>> You are getting a lot of help here, that may be wasted time because you
>> are withholding the most important piece of information.
>>
>> What are you uncle's  parents names and birthdates?  With that we can
>> verify  a connection to whatever Laura we are looking for.
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:41 AM, Helda Pritchard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>> That is part of my problem. The biological father is from Riberia Sica,
>>> S. Jorge. However from the information Laura was not born on the island. As
>>> for her birthdate again no clue I know the biological father was born in
>>> 1845 and the half brother was born in 1892.
>>> The Laura Moniz/ Mitchell I found that I think may be the one
>>> unfortunately has several birthdates listed on US Census and in the end her
>>> death certificate ranging from the dates 1868 -1880. On most of the census
>>> her birthplace  it ranges from Azores to Westward Islands. However on the
>>> oldest sons birth registry it says Pico for both Frank P Mitchell and Laura.
>>>  Again my search is a total shot in the dark.
>>> My Uncle (by marriage) was asking because I have at least 7 generations
>>> back for both my parent maternal and paternal side with copies of marriage
>>> and death certificates (thanks to technology). A lot of it is because both
>>> my parents or from Sao Jorge and we only immigrated when I was a young
>>> child and my parent knew a lot of verbal history.
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> H
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:40:18 AM UTC-5, John Raposo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Helda,
>>>> LL
>>>> Can you give us an approximate place of birth and also, do you know
>>>> where in the Azores (parish and island) Laura would have been born in? Even
>>>> guesses will be helpful and would help filter out the Lauras who are not
>>>> matches. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> John M. raposo
>>>>On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:33 PM, Helda Pritchard <
>>>> heldaprit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Hello Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to help my Uncle find his aunt. As my mom and I have been
>>>> doing our family tree my Uncle who is in his 80's has asked if I could help
>>>> find his missing aunt. My Uncle's father and Grandfather had always talked
>>>> about "Tia Laura". His grandfather had her before he married so she was
>>>> older then the half brother. All we know is that Laura had gone to the
>>>> states she was born  several years before her younger half brother. She was
>>>> living in California in the early 1920's as her half brother had visited
>>>> her and sent his father photos, one of them had two men and it said on the
>>>> back these are Laura's two oldest sons the boys were close to the their
>>>> Uncles age. Another clue we have is the year 1943 that was written on my
>>>> uncles grandfathers records but with no correspondence to why.
>>>> Doing research I found a Laura Moniz/Mitchell that is about

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help to solve a mystery for my uncle.

[luiznoia .]

Helda,

If you had posted the information you had when you first posted , you could
have saved the many people the hours spent chasing the wrong person.

You do not deserve anymore of our help.

Eric Edgar


On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Helda Pritchard <
heldapritchard22...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Thank you everyone but since this  is the Laura that I thought it might
> have been however thanks to the hard work of some of the people on this
> board who found her wedding certificate that had her parents name and then
> the birth certificate it proves it is not the Laura I was looking for. Just
> a lot of good coincidences,
> Thank you again everyone for the help will have to try another Laura.
>
> Helda
>
> On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:23:35 PM UTC-5, luiznoia wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> MITCHELL   JOHN   P   1899   04   13   MUNIZ
>> MALE   MA   STANISLAUS   1969   09   10  70   3629541
>> MITCHELL   ARTHUR   P   1904   04   11
>>   MALE   MA   ALAMEDA1976   09   12  72   4865722
>>  MITCHELL   JOSEPH   PERRY   1896   12   03   MUNIZ   MITCHELL   MALE
>> MA   ALAMEDA1944   04   17  47   401493
>> MITCHELL   MANUEL   P   1907   01   24   MUNIZ
>> MALE   MA   ALAMEDA1981   12   16 74   5792053
>> MENDONCA   LENORA  1899   07   29   MONIZ   MITCHELL   FEMALE
>> MA   ALAMEDA1953   01   06 53   1323966
>> MITCHELL   ANTHONY   PERRY   1901   02   19   MONIZ   MITCHELL   MALE
>> MA   ALAMEDA   1957   07   18  56   1801969
>>
>>
>> MITCHELL   FRANK   P   1894   08   15   MONIZ  MALE   MA   SOLANO
>> 1968   08   0473   3458200
>>
>> 1941 Oakland city directory- Mrs  Laura M  Mitchell  on Buena Vists Ave
>> https://archive.org/stream/polksoaklandcali1941rlpo#page/663/mode/1up
>>   Manuel P Mitchell on Kennedey St
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:03 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From the CCA- Laureana, it starts at bottom left, then to top next page
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
>>> digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P24.html
>>>
>>> From the NEPS site, relating to this family group
>>>
>>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=
>>> pt;p=jose;n=moniz;oc=1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:30 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Me, too and I hope we have found Helda's "Laura". It is possible that
>>>> Laura's Dad had a first marriage.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:19 PM, "E" Sharp" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> One of her US records says her parents were Joseph and Isabelle so that
>>>> seems to go with what you have found and the birth year you listed is
>>>> comparable with US records as well as the name Laureana on a census
>>>> record.  My hunch tells me this is her.  Maybe their family stories of her
>>>> legitimacy were incorrect.  Lord knows I have had plenty of family stories
>>>> in my own research that didn't pan out.
>>>>
>>>> Helda,  Are you looking for living relatives??  if you want further
>>>> info, please email me privately.
>>>>
>>>> "E"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:28 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
>>>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Laureana was born in Lajes do Pico. I looked up the birth record and
>>>> there there is nothing there to indicate that the parents were not married.
>>>> And, it also says the father was from Lajes, mother was from Ribeiras, so
>>>> although we probably have the right Laura, she may not be Helda's Laura.
>>>>
>>>>  John
>>>>On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:49 AM, "E" Sharp" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Helda,
>>>>
>>>> It looks like many in this family are buried at Holy Supulchre Cemetery
>>>> in Hayward CA.  You can see stones at findagrave.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help to solve a mystery for my uncle.

[luiznoia .]

Helda,

You are getting a lot of help here, that may be wasted time because you are
withholding the most important piece of information.

What are you uncle's  parents names and birthdates?  With that we can
verify  a connection to whatever Laura we are looking for.

Eric Edgar


On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:41 AM, Helda Pritchard <
heldapritchard22...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi John,
> That is part of my problem. The biological father is from Riberia Sica, S.
> Jorge. However from the information Laura was not born on the island. As
> for her birthdate again no clue I know the biological father was born in
> 1845 and the half brother was born in 1892.
> The Laura Moniz/ Mitchell I found that I think may be the one
> unfortunately has several birthdates listed on US Census and in the end her
> death certificate ranging from the dates 1868 -1880. On most of the census
> her birthplace  it ranges from Azores to Westward Islands. However on the
> oldest sons birth registry it says Pico for both Frank P Mitchell and Laura.
>  Again my search is a total shot in the dark.
> My Uncle (by marriage) was asking because I have at least 7 generations
> back for both my parent maternal and paternal side with copies of marriage
> and death certificates (thanks to technology). A lot of it is because both
> my parents or from Sao Jorge and we only immigrated when I was a young
> child and my parent knew a lot of verbal history.
> Thanks for any help.
> H
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:40:18 AM UTC-5, John Raposo wrote:
>
>> Helda,
>> LL
>> Can you give us an approximate place of birth and also, do you know where
>> in the Azores (parish and island) Laura would have been born in? Even
>> guesses will be helpful and would help filter out the Lauras who are not
>> matches. Thanks!
>>
>> John M. raposo
>>   On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:33 PM, Helda Pritchard <
>> heldaprit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I am trying to help my Uncle find his aunt. As my mom and I have been
>> doing our family tree my Uncle who is in his 80's has asked if I could help
>> find his missing aunt. My Uncle's father and Grandfather had always talked
>> about "Tia Laura". His grandfather had her before he married so she was
>> older then the half brother. All we know is that Laura had gone to the
>> states she was born  several years before her younger half brother. She was
>> living in California in the early 1920's as her half brother had visited
>> her and sent his father photos, one of them had two men and it said on the
>> back these are Laura's two oldest sons the boys were close to the their
>> Uncles age. Another clue we have is the year 1943 that was written on my
>> uncles grandfathers records but with no correspondence to why.
>> Doing research I found a Laura Moniz/Mitchell that is about the right age
>> and did live in California at about the right time. She had sons that would
>> be about the right age and she did die in 1943. These could all be
>> coincidences. I am hoping that maybe one of her family members is doing
>> family research and stumbles upon this. As Laura was a illegitimate then
>> her father would be listed as incongnito on her birth certificate.  I would
>> be able to provide Laura's family with 5 generations back on the fathers
>> side. The woman I think could be the missing Laura is in some records
>> listed as Laura Moniz sometimes she is listed as Laura Mitchell. She was
>> married to a Frank P Mitchell they lived in Glouchester Mass and had
>> several children Joseph, Leonora (Nora), John, Anthony, Aurthur and Manuel.
>>  She died on March 4th, 1943 in Alameda California.
>> Again I would happily scan the photo online to prove that this Laura is
>> the right one.
>>
>> I know this is a long shot but you never know unless you ask.
>> Helda
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help to solve a mystery for my uncle.

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>From the CCA- Laureana, it starts at bottom left, then to top next page

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P24.html

>From the NEPS site, relating to this family group

http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=jose;n=moniz;oc=1












On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:30 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Me, too and I hope we have found Helda's "Laura". It is possible that
> Laura's Dad had a first marriage.
>
> John
>
>   On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:19 PM, "E" Sharp" 
> wrote:
>
>
> John,
>
> One of her US records says her parents were Joseph and Isabelle so that
> seems to go with what you have found and the birth year you listed is
> comparable with US records as well as the name Laureana on a census
> record.  My hunch tells me this is her.  Maybe their family stories of her
> legitimacy were incorrect.  Lord knows I have had plenty of family stories
> in my own research that didn't pan out.
>
> Helda,  Are you looking for living relatives??  if you want further info,
> please email me privately.
>
> "E"
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:28 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Laureana was born in Lajes do Pico. I looked up the birth record and there
> there is nothing there to indicate that the parents were not married. And,
> it also says the father was from Lajes, mother was from Ribeiras, so
> although we probably have the right Laura, she may not be Helda's Laura.
>
> John
>On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:49 AM, "E" Sharp" 
> wrote:
>
>
> Helda,
>
> It looks like many in this family are buried at Holy Supulchre Cemetery in
> Hayward CA.  You can see stones at findagrave.com  Laura is listed as
> Laureana on one of the census records so it looks like John has found her
> in Pico.  I am sure someone on the list can help you find her birth record
> at the CCA site.
>
> "E"
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help to solve a mystery for my uncle.

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MITCHELL   JOHN   P   1899   04   13   MUNIZ
  MALE   MA   STANISLAUS   1969   09   10  70   3629541
MITCHELL   ARTHUR   P   1904   04   11
MALE   MA   ALAMEDA1976   09   12  72   4865722
 MITCHELL   JOSEPH   PERRY   1896   12   03   MUNIZ   MITCHELL   MALE   MA
  ALAMEDA1944   04   17  47   401493
MITCHELL   MANUEL   P   1907   01   24   MUNIZ
  MALE   MA   ALAMEDA1981   12   16 74   5792053
MENDONCA   LENORA  1899   07   29   MONIZ   MITCHELL   FEMALE   MA
  ALAMEDA1953   01   06 53   1323966
MITCHELL   ANTHONY   PERRY   1901   02   19   MONIZ   MITCHELL   MALE   MA
  ALAMEDA   1957   07   18  56   1801969


MITCHELL   FRANK   P   1894   08   15   MONIZ  MALE   MA   SOLANO
1968   08   0473   3458200

1941 Oakland city directory- Mrs  Laura M  Mitchell  on Buena Vists Ave
https://archive.org/stream/polksoaklandcali1941rlpo#page/663/mode/1up
  Manuel P Mitchell on Kennedey St




On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:03 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:

>
>
> From the CCA- Laureana, it starts at bottom left, then to top next page
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P24.html
>
> From the NEPS site, relating to this family group
>
>
> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=jose;n=moniz;oc=1
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:30 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Me, too and I hope we have found Helda's "Laura". It is possible that
>> Laura's Dad had a first marriage.
>>
>> John
>>
>>On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:19 PM, "E" Sharp" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> One of her US records says her parents were Joseph and Isabelle so that
>> seems to go with what you have found and the birth year you listed is
>> comparable with US records as well as the name Laureana on a census
>> record.  My hunch tells me this is her.  Maybe their family stories of her
>> legitimacy were incorrect.  Lord knows I have had plenty of family stories
>> in my own research that didn't pan out.
>>
>> Helda,  Are you looking for living relatives??  if you want further info,
>> please email me privately.
>>
>> "E"
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:28 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Laureana was born in Lajes do Pico. I looked up the birth record and
>> there there is nothing there to indicate that the parents were not married.
>> And, it also says the father was from Lajes, mother was from Ribeiras, so
>> although we probably have the right Laura, she may not be Helda's Laura.
>>
>>  John
>>On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:49 AM, "E" Sharp" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Helda,
>>
>> It looks like many in this family are buried at Holy Supulchre Cemetery
>> in Hayward CA.  You can see stones at findagrave.com  Laura is listed as
>> Laureana on one of the census records so it looks like John has found her
>> in Pico.  I am sure someone on the list can help you find her birth record
>> at the CCA site.
>>
>> "E"
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help to solve a mystery for my uncle.

[luiznoia .]

You haven't said where your uncle was from


MITCHELL   LAURA   PERRY   1879   10   15  MONIZ   FEMALE   RE
ALAMEDA   1943   03   04  63   308622



On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Helda Pritchard <
heldapritchard22...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I am trying to help my Uncle find his aunt. As my mom and I have been
> doing our family tree my Uncle who is in his 80's has asked if I could help
> find his missing aunt. My Uncle's father and Grandfather had always talked
> about "Tia Laura". His grandfather had her before he married so she was
> older then the half brother. All we know is that Laura had gone to the
> states she was born  several years before her younger half brother. She was
> living in California in the early 1920's as her half brother had visited
> her and sent his father photos, one of them had two men and it said on the
> back these are Laura's two oldest sons the boys were close to the their
> Uncles age. Another clue we have is the year 1943 that was written on my
> uncles grandfathers records but with no correspondence to why.
> Doing research I found a Laura Moniz/Mitchell that is about the right age
> and did live in California at about the right time. She had sons that would
> be about the right age and she did die in 1943. These could all be
> coincidences. I am hoping that maybe one of her family members is doing
> family research and stumbles upon this. As Laura was a illegitimate then
> her father would be listed as incongnito on her birth certificate.  I would
> be able to provide Laura's family with 5 generations back on the fathers
> side. The woman I think could be the missing Laura is in some records
> listed as Laura Moniz sometimes she is listed as Laura Mitchell. She was
> married to a Frank P Mitchell they lived in Glouchester Mass and had
> several children Joseph, Leonora (Nora), John, Anthony, Aurthur and Manuel.
>  She died on March 4th, 1943 in Alameda California.
> Again I would happily scan the photo online to prove that this Laura is
> the right one.
>
> I know this is a long shot but you never know unless you ask.
> Helda
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casais das Flores e do Corvo ebook

[luiznoia .]

Flores and Corvo have small populations compared to Sao Miguel. That would
be a daunting task . It would take a dedicated  team.

Anyone here with the skills could start that project.

Eric Edgar


On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:

> IhAve wondered why there has been no extraction of records to book for Sao
> Miguel is it not allowed?
>
> For New Mexico pretty much all the catholic records have been transcribed
> into books. Which helps but you also still need to verify original record
> but is an awesome tool.
>
>
> On Monday, May 19, 2014, Tanya Smith  wrote:
>
>> Aloha Joao,
>>
>> Any such resource for Sao  Miguel?  Particularly Candelaria and Ginetes.
>> I have the opportunity to travel from Hawaii to the Azores this June. I am
>> so excited.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Tanya Smith
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:54 PM, João Ventura  wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I've got a few private emails, so I think it may be better to republish
>> this post from December 2012, updating it a bit in the process.
>>
>> Francisco Gomes has published his 'Casais das Flores e do Corvo' book in
>> e-book format. This book covers ALL the available marriages in the islands
>> of Flores and Corvo between 1675 and 1911, for a total of 10.247 marriages.
>> This book is ESSENTIAL to anyone doing research in either of these two
>> islands.
>>
>> You've got a choice of stores, each with it's pros/cons:
>>
>> - Amazon (pro: Kindle, con: only Kindle, more expensive $18.44)
>> http://www.amazon.com/Casais-Flores-Portuguese-
>> Edition-ebook/dp/B00AQAOOF6
>> - iTunes (pro: cheaper $14.99, con: only Apple devices)
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/casais-das-flores-e-do-corvo/id588378486
>> - Barnes & Noble (pro cheaper $14.99, con: NOOK format)
>> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/casais-das-flores-e-do-corvo-francisco-gomes/1114254163?ean=9789892034348
>> - XinXii (pro: DRM-free PDF, con: most expensive $19.58)
>> http://www.xinxii.com/pt/casais-das-flores-do-corvo-p-339506.html
>>
>> I suggested this to him recently after I saw the website for the book
>> disappear from the web. I was informed that he had managed to sell all the
>> paper copies, and I asked him to consider keeping it 'alive' as an e-book.
>> Even though I own the paper version, I bought one e-book, because of one
>> important factor that the paper version lacks: the ability to do a
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>> Fazenda e do Lajedo)' book be re-published as an e-book one of these days,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca dos Santos versus Francisca Mendonca

[luiznoia .]

I think the difference is due to the choice in one record of using her
religious suffix of dos Santos,

and using one of her families surname in the other. Different priests,
different formats

this is the entry

*Salvador Rodrigues [f.º de Manuel Rodrigues Armas e de Pureza Pimentel]*
* c. 1735.01.17*
* c. Francisca de Mendonça [f.ª de António Furtado e de Maria Pimentel].*


Here is Margaret's translation:


16-January-1735
Salvador Rodrigues son of Manuel Rodrigues Arnas?(these are the letters i
can discern, cannot confirm last name) and of his wife Teresa de Pimentel,
living in the place "alem Ribeira" of this Parish.
with Francisca dos Santos daughter of Antonio Furtado and of his wife Maria
Pimentel, deceased who lived on the Monte Carneiro.

only difference here is Pureza vs Teresa, which is and easy transcription
confusion


Here you can see in this record the Armas is family name used by this group
at times

*Alexandre Pimentel Armas [f.º de Salvador Rodrigues Armas e de Francisca
dos Santos*
*] c. 1766.12.14*
* c. Maria Pimentel de Jesus [f.ª de Amaro Pimentel e de Maria Pimentel].*




Eric Edgar




On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 10:46 PM,  wrote:

>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1714-1744/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1714-1744_item1/P152.html
>
> top left.
>
> Hi.  Took Joao Ventura's advice and got the Casais book.  Tonight I was
> looking for a marriage between Salvador Rodrigues and Francisca dos
> Santos. He shows a Francisca Mendonca marrying Salvador on this date.
>
> However, I am not convinced.  Please if anyone is able to look at the
> document, and give an opinion, I'd appreciate it. the link listed
> above starts with Francisca, it being a continuation.   The link below
> (bottom right)  is where the marriage starts.
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1714-1744/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1714-1744_item1/P150.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismal of Boaventura.

[luiznoia .]

There is the very common occurence of Azorean immigrants of the 1800-1900s
who arrived in America and are recorded on census as being unable to read
or write. How do you verify original spellings?

My great grandfather is recorded on his baptism as Eladio, yet all his own
spelling on immigration papers is as Heladio. How do I record?

The older records are the more optional spelling seems to be.

Eric


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> Eric,
> That sort of thing makes my blood boil!! My standard procedure in doing my
> genealogy is to spell proper names the way they were spelled during the
> person's lifetime which to me is the way everybody should do it. My father
> who died in 1963 was Joao Vitorino Vasconcelos. My paternal grandfather who
> died in 1906 was Francisco Victorino Vasconcellos.
> John Vasconcelos
>
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:48 AM, luiznoia . wrote:
>
>> I've found that in the Casais do Flores e Corvo book, Mr Pimentel Gomes
>> has often  standardized the spelling of names despite how they are written
>> in the actual record.
>>
>> for example ;  Basoura Vassoura---Jacinto  Jacintho--Inacio Ignacio,
>> Matias Mathias .
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Hi Suzanne and Manuel,
>>>
>>> I read Basoura which was old writing for the word vassoura (broom)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM, mnk  wrote:
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>>>> It does not look like Salvador for the paternal grandfather to me.
>>>> Something like Baloura (?). Maybe another set of eyes are still needed to
>>>> decipher this surname!,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismal of Boaventura.

[luiznoia .]

I've found that in the Casais do Flores e Corvo book, Mr Pimentel Gomes has
often  standardized the spelling of names despite how they are written in
the actual record.

for example ;  Basoura Vassoura---Jacinto  Jacintho--Inacio Ignacio, Matias
Mathias .


Eric Edgar


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>
>
>
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> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM, mnk  wrote:
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismal of Boaventura.

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Here is the marriage entry for Padrinhos

Manuel Ventura de Sousa [n. Conceição, Horta, f.º de Ventura José da
Silveira e de Inácia Luísa de Jesus]

 c. 1830.09.10

 c. Ana Maximina Valadares [n. Lajes das Flores, f.ª de António Francisco e
de Rosa Francisca].


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage record of Manoel Furtado Salvador and Marianna Roza

[luiznoia .]

*"Manuel Furtado Salvador filho de Manuel Furtado Vassoura e sua mulher
Rita dos Santos"*



Manuel Furtado Vassoura [f.º de António Furtado Coelho e de Maria Pimentel]

 c. 1774.06.23

 c. Rita dos Santos [f.ª de Salvador Rodrigues e de Francisca dos Santos].


On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:09 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> From the transcription in the Casia de Flore e Corvo book. I have the e
> book, that is searchable and the hard copy.
>
> A great resource for matching to the CCA records
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Sme  wrote:
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>> Eric,  where are you seeing the ages of the bride and groom.  I can
>> usually pick those out.   And can you tell what the word is immediately
>> after the groom's father's name of Manoel Furtado?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 12:27 PM, luiznoia . wrote:
>>
>>> Manuel Furtado Salvador 34 years, son of Manuel Furtado and Rita dos
>>> Santos married to  Mariana Rosa 29 years, daughter of Manuel Furtado
>>> Rodrigues and Francisca dos Santos
>>>
>>> Eric Edgar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:36 PM,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> they are the first ones on the top left side of the page.And it
>>>> seems this parish is mostly made of  Furtado, Rodrigues, and Freitas.  It's
>>>> nuts.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, May 12, 2014 7:19:07 PM UTC-7, climb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
>>>>> digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1809-1860/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-
>>>>> 1809-1860_item1/P7.html
>>>>>
>>>>> I need some help please with the names:   Manoel Furtado Salvador son
>>>>> of Manoel  ?   de ?   and of his wife Rita dos Santos  and Marianna Roza
>>>>> daughter of  Manoel  ?   ?  and of his wife Francisca dos Santos.   I have
>>>>> the date.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>>> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage record of Manoel Furtado Salvador and Marianna Roza

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Manuel Furtado Salvador 34 years, son of Manuel Furtado and Rita dos Santos
married to  Mariana Rosa 29 years, daughter of Manuel Furtado Rodrigues and
Francisca dos Santos

Eric Edgar


On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:36 PM,  wrote:

> they are the first ones on the top left side of the page.And it seems
> this parish is mostly made of  Furtado, Rodrigues, and Freitas.  It's nuts.
>
> On Monday, May 12, 2014 7:19:07 PM UTC-7, climb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
>> digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1809-1860/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-
>> 1809-1860_item1/P7.html
>>
>> I need some help please with the names:   Manoel Furtado Salvador son of
>> Manoel  ?   de ?   and of his wife Rita dos Santos  and Marianna Roza
>> daughter of  Manoel  ?   ?  and of his wife Francisca dos Santos.   I have
>> the date.
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Manoel Furtado Rodrigues and Francisca dos Santos

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Nossa Senhora da Conceicao is the church parish in Santa Cruz, Flores.

*Manuel Furtado Rodrigues, son of Joao Rodrigues da Lomba and Maria Furtado*

*married at Santa Cruz, Flores on 25 May 1772  to*

*Francisca dos Santos, daughter of Joao Rodrigues Carneiro and Teresa
Rodrigues*


 The  " da Lomba" refers to the town near Lajes in the south part of Flores

This gives the grooms parents marriage record, also from Santa Cruz, Flores:

*João Rodrigues native of Lomba, Lajes das Flores, son of  João Nunes and
Catarina Rodrigues*

* married on 7 Aug 1741 to *

* Maria Furtado daughter of  Manuel Furtado and  Cecília de Freitas*



Eric Edgar




On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Pam Santos  wrote:

> Bride is the daughter of Joao Rodrigues Carneiro and Theresa Rodrigues. I
> can't help with the residents of since I am not familar with the towns in
> Pico. But it looks like the brides parents from Nossa Senhora da Conceicao
> The grooms father looks like possibly Joao Rodrigues de Sousa.
>
>
> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 9:18 PM,  wrote:
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>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1744-1808/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1744-1808_item1/P111.html
>>
>> Might I get help with the names and nativities for this marriage;  left
>> side, bottom.
>>
>> date of marriage is 25 may 1772
>>
>> groom is Manoel Furtado Rodrigues son of Joao Rodrigues  ?  and Maria
>> Furtado;bride is the daughter of Joao Rodrigues  ?  and  Theresa
>> Rodrigues.
>>
>> I cannot tell where they were residents of.I can read that they were
>> parishioners of N.S. da Conceicao.
>>
>> Thank you.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mendonca's of Corvo

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David,

The settlement of Corvo is tied to that of Flores. The entry in the Flores
history book says this for Mendonca:

E uma das mais antigas familias de Espanha ( Mendonca), cujo apelido se
uniu ao de Furtado pelo casamento de D. Diego Lopes com D. Leonor Furtado
.Fernao Furtado, filho destes, passou-se a Portugal no tempo de Dom Afonso
III.
Nas Flores, encontramos o apelido pela primeira vez em Luiza de Mendonca,
mulher de Gomes Dias Rodovalho,
 da premeira geracao nada na ilha, filho de outro Gomes Dias Rodovalho e de
Gracia Dias Fagundes,
 de quem - adiante Diogo das Chagas- ficou boa descendencia


*One of the oldest families in Spain (Mendonca), which with surname Furtado
was  joined by the marriage of Don Diego Lopes with Leonor Furtado.*
* Fernão Furtado, these son, went to Portugal in the time of Dom Afonso
III. *

*On Flores,we find the surname for the first time in Luiza Mendonca, wife
of Gomes Dias Rodovalho, of the first generation  on the island, he was the
 son of another  Rodovalho Gomes Dias and Dias de Gracia Fagundes,*
* who - along Diogo das Chagas- were  of fine descendancy.*


I invite any native speaker to help out with my translation.


Eric Edgar


On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Kawika322  wrote:

> I wanted to see if anyone had any ideas of where the Mendonca surname on
> Corvo may have originated from?
>
> I have traced my Mendonca line as far back as the records go (mid 1600's)
> to Gaspar de Mendonca who was born approx. 1630 and died 15 May 1689 in
> Corvo. His wife was Barbara Roiz (Rodrigues).
>
> Are there any of the genealogias that touch upon Corvo?
>
> David
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Manoel Ferreira and Maria Alfonseca; Ribeiras, Pico

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By relating this marriage record to the NEPS database, this is how they
list these families:
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;p=maria+francisca;n=fonseca

Manuel Ferreira Alemao (died 19 May 1753) son of (from record- Mathias
Goncalves and Maria Cardoza)

married on 18 Oct 1708

Maria Francisca Fonseca( died 1744) daughter of Sebastiao Soares Cardoso
and Maria Fonseca

Eric Edgar


On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> If I may add to Shirley's work:
>
> Groom: Manoel Ferreira Alemam
> Father: Mathias Gonsalves, o mosso (moço current form, meaning Junior)
> Bride: Maria de Affoncequa (this surname may have evolved to "da Fonseca"
> present day)
> Bride's Mother: Maria de Affoncequa
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Shirley Allegre 
> wrote:
>
>>  18 Oct 1708
>> church of Santa Barbara
>> Manoel Ferreira Aletnm
>> (Mathias Gonsalves X Maria Cardoza)
>> SPOUSE
>> Maria da Conceicao
>> (Sebastiam? Soares, deceased X Maria da Afonca?)
>> All from this church.
>>
>> That is a little hard to read.
>> Shirley in CA
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* climbatr...@gmail.com
>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 10, 2014 9:14 PM
>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Manoel Ferreira and Maria
>> Alfonseca; Ribeiras, Pico
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-C-1681-1719/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-C-1681-1719_item1/P73.html
>>
>> Hi.  Right side, bottom of the page.   Can someone please tell me the
>> names of the bride and groom, and their parents, particularly the words
>> just after Mathias Gonsalves' name.
>>
>> Thank you very much
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help on Reading Docs

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Rosa was born on 21 Sept and baptized on 22 Sep  1905

Manuel was born on the 21 Sep and baptized 22 Sep 1905


Eric Edgar


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>  Sorry everyone I did not know the page or photo I sent did not turn
> out.  Please take a look at this link
>  I need information on # 6 and #7.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1904-1911/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1904-1911_item1/P32.html
> Please see below
>
>  In a message dated 5/7/2014 10:37:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> azores@googlegroups.com writes:
>
> Hi everyone.  I am having some issue on reading the attached document.  I
> have most of the information on both parties.
> #6 is  Rosa dos Reis was born, ( I am not able to read the birth date) to
> Felicio Dos Reis and Esther Corriea da Silva
>
> #7 is  Manuel Espionla da Veiga was born ( not able to read birth date) to
> Manuel Espionla da Veiga and Filomena Olivera da Gloria
>
> Can you assist.  I am sorry but I am learning on reading information on
> names and things like that but birth dates, i.e. month date and year are
> hard for me.
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you
> *Bob Camacho*
> Researching the Island of Terceira for
> da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera
> Researching the Island of Graciosa for
> Reis
> Researching the Island of Madeira for
> Camacho
> Researching Brazil for
> Evangelho
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Alameda County researchers

[luiznoia .]

Do you have families that settled in *Pleasanton, Livermore, San Ramon,
Sunol* area ?

I'm working on a project for the local museum on the Portuguese setllement
here.

Azorean Portuguese was a large percentage of the population here before
1900.

The first wave around 1870 was mostly from *Flores:*

Manuel Jose Damiao ( Manuel Joseph) b 1833, Santa Cruz, m. Eugenia Silveira
of Sao Jorge

Francisco Goncalves de Fraga ( Frank G Frager)b 1848, Ponta Delgada m.
Barbara Silveira Inacio, Barbara S Enos) b 1847 Flores

Jose Rodrigues Paulo b. 1869, Caetano Rodrigues Paulo b 1874,  their
sisters Ana de Jesus b 1880 and Maria  also Ponta Delgada.

Francisco Antonio Noia b. 1847 Ponta Delgada

>From *Graciosa*:

Serino Corriea de Avila b. 1854 m, Francisca Corriea de Melo of Graciosa.
She had come earlier
with her father Jose Correia de Melo

>From *Pico*

brothers,  Jacinto Antonio Rosa( Jason Rose) b 1850 and Jose Melo da Rosa
(Joseph M Rose) b. 1860 and their cousin:

Manuel Silveira Andrade b. 1855

brothers Jose Neves ( Joseph Nevis) b 1843,  Francisco Neves ( Frank Nevis)
b. 1857  in Candelaria, Madelena

Antonio Goncalves da Rosa ( A G Rose) b 1824 Santo Antonio, Sao Roque

>From *Faial *:

Antonio Fialho da Rosa (Antone Silver)b. 1853 in Salao. m. Maria Simas
Silveira b. 1864 in Lajes, Pico

Manuel Pereira da Rosa b. 1852

Jose L Luis ( Joseph L Lewis) b 1844, m. Carolinda Augusta Carias b. 1849
in Calheta de Nesquim, Pico

Frank F Avilla( likely Francisco Ferreira de Avila) b. 1871 , as I also
have a Jose Ferreira de Avila b. 1866, Azores residing in Pleasanton

>From *Sao Jorge*:

Jose Perreira da Rosa ( Joseph P Rose) b. 1844 Velas.

>From *Santa Maria*:

Ignacio Jose Bairos ( Joe Enos Bairos) b. 1849 Assuncao, Vila do Porto. m.
Rosa Silveira b. 1860 of Sao Jorge

>From *Sao Miguel:*

John James Amaral b. Mar 1899 in Povacao ( son of Joaquim Amaral b. 1872
Lomba do Cavaleiro and Maria Leite. Joaquim and Maria settled in
Providence, Rhode Island with their 10 children in 1900)


I have 499 people in my file. There are many families whose origin in the
islands is not yet discovered. I have many Silva, Avilla, and Rose families

There were many  land sales offers and advertisements in Portuguese
languague newspapers
in the 1880s-1910s for the Pleasanton area.

Many of these families have intermarried over the years.


Feel free to contact me privately

Eric Edgar

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dias/ Silviera / Henriques / Fraga 1800 - present

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Debra,

I have Leopoldina and family in my files. Lena F George dod 3-19-1973 Merced

born 16 May 1884 in Faja Grande to Jose Lucindo de Freitas Henriques and
Maria Lucinda.

I have different dates for her arrival and marriage. She arrives 25 June
1909 aboard the Gallia, Flores to New York. Line 4 Leopoldina Lucinda
Freitas 25 yrs

to join brother Laureano Lucindo de Freitas in Fresno. It shows father Jose
Lucindo de Freitas, Faja Grande as home address

Fresno marriage book has 5 Sep 1909


The George spelling is more common than Jorge in Flores records, especially
in the Lajes concelho.

Eric Edgar



On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Debra Wolgemuth wrote:

> My Azorean relatives came from Flores and settled in Merced.  Many of
> their neighbors were Azorean Portuguese farming alfalfa, sweet potatoes,
> tomatoes, peaches, apricots, almonds and walnuts.
>
> *My Grandmother's Lineage*
> My ggf, Francisco Jorge/George, immigrated from the Azores (Flores) in
> 1889 and moved to the Merced area.  He helped build the roads to Yosemite
> and brought gold down from the hills back to Merced.  He then worked in
> various farmhand jobs, saving money to buy a farm in Merced (west of
> Merced, toward El Nido, a small farming community).
>
> In 1905 he brought his bride, Leopoldina Freitas (also from Flores), to
> California and married her in Fresno with her cousins in attendance.  They
> sold the first farm and purchased their final farm of 40 acres off Franklin
> Road (north of Merced and bordering Atwater near where Castle AFB would
> eventually be) in the Buhach Colony.  The Buhach Colony had a LARGE group
> of Portuguese farming families in the area.  The local Catholic Church was
> in the Buhach Colony.  That Catholic Church was where we went for the
> annual Pentecost celebration and sopas meal.  The Buhach Colony surrounds
> Highway 99 from Franklin to Buhach Roads.
>
> *My Grandfather's Lineage*
> We do not have as much information about this side of the family with
> surnames of Enos, Silviera and Rodrigues, as my father met finally met his
> father as an adult. The Enos (my ggf) family were farmers and lived in the
> Buhach Colony too.  His wife was Maria Silviera (my ggm)and I don't know
> much about them or exactly what island they came from.
> The Rodrigues side I haven't discovered much about as my ggf was Manuel
> Rodrigues (a very common name) and he died in the flu epidemic of 1917/18
> right after my grandfather was born.  Don't know how Manuel's family
> immigrated to California, but wonder if they came through Hawaii, as one of
> my uncles has strong Asian characteristics in his eyes.
>
> Debbie Rodrigues Wolgemuth
>
>
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>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dias/ Silviera/ Henriques/ Fraga 1800 -
> present
> From: noblankt...@gmail.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
>
> John,
>
> Post what you have on the Central Valley folks. My mom's family settled
> from Modesto and Ceres down to Atwater, I've researched many families from
> that area,
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 9:35 AM, john kracha  wrote:
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> It appears that ancestors originated in area of Cedres, Flores, Azores and
> settled in Central Valley of California. Mostly near Modesto. Since Cedros
> is relatively small, there is some historical connection still remaining.
> Can you help fill in? The google sites that I have researched do not
> identify paternal/ maternal lines.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dias/ Silviera/ Henriques/ Fraga 1800 - present

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John,

Post what you have on the Central Valley folks. My mom's family settled
from Modesto and Ceres down to Atwater, I've researched many families from
that area,

Eric Edgar


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> It appears that ancestors originated in area of Cedres, Flores, Azores and
> settled in Central Valley of California. Mostly near Modesto. Since Cedros
> is relatively small, there is some historical connection still remaining.
> Can you help fill in? The google sites that I have researched do not
> identify paternal/ maternal lines.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dias/ Silviera/ Henriques/ Fraga 1800 - present

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My great great grandfather, Manuel Jacinto Vieira Rodrigues was born in
Cedros in 1849. I have an extensive database of Cedros families. My Vieira
line goes back to Corvo within two generations from there.



Surnames- Vieira, Rodrigues, Silveira, Mendonca, Vasconcelos Fraga, Valdao,
Furtado, Avila


Eric Edgar


On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 11:46 AM,  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> I have noticed that many/most of the Cedros families have links back to
> Pico a little further back in time.
> Has this happened to your tree, too?
>
> I am also writing you directly because my emails now have to go through
> the list owner who filters them.
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> You can answer me directly here:
> p...@dholmes.com
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> Thanks,
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
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>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dias/ Silviera/ Henriques/ Fraga 1800 -
> present
> From: john kracha 
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> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> It appears that ancestors originated in area of Cedres, Flores, Azores and
> settled in Central Valley of California. Mostly near Modesto. Since Cedros
> is relatively small, there is some historical connection still remaining.
> Can you help fill in? The google sites that I have researched do not
> identify paternal/ maternal lines.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] creation of church books

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Doug,

I've noticed that on some older books you see the writing getting cutoff
and continued on the next line, or the scrawling at an angle to fit. This
shows the pages were already bound. Then there some where they are clear
and neat, which

I assume to mean they were copied from the older records to a new book.

Eric Edgar


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> Here's something I've always wondered about and it would be very
> interesting if anyone knew the answer.
>
> When a baptism, marriage or death record was newly created, say back in
> 1806 (just a random year), was the page already bound in a volume?
>
> I think the answer is no. I imagine the priest had a stack of blank papers
> cut to the proper size that he pulled out and wrote up the record. Once
> enough of them were enough to make a volume, they had a priest bind the
> pages into a book.
>
> It would mean that there might be 5 to 70 years, depending on the size of
> the parish, that the pages stayed unbound. A little village like Sao Joao,
> Pico, had one volume of baptisms starting in 1807 and ending in 1827.
> That's 20 years of loose leafs until they got bound.
>
> Sometimes the priest's ink bottle got knocked over onto the paper and we
> have a giant black spot still there today.
>
> Anyway, just curious about these things I pour over daily.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

[luiznoia .]

Doug,

The indexing for those towns is incomplete. I have about a dozen from the
CCA site that can not be found in the NEPS site

Eric Edgar


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 9:27 PM,  wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Use the Madalena concelho link for Bandeiras and Candelaria, as well as
> Madalena, Criacao Velha, and Sao Mateus.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
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>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
> From: "luiznoia ." 
> Date: Wed, April 23, 2014 5:18 pm
> To: Azores Genealogy 
>
> I looked through the NEPS site to find a relationship to this Revoredo
> family. There are no records in Sao Roque that match to them. I tried all
> the other towns on the island without luck. That leaves Bandeiras and
> Candelaria to search
>
> since they are on the CCA site, but not NEPS.
>
> Eric Edgar
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

[luiznoia .]

I don't know what to make of the fact that the NEPS index shows no
Revoredo, no Antonia or Antonio born to a Sousa in 1737., no Teresa related
to Oliveira, although it seems clear in the  baptism record the are
residents.

There is no one in the record at all that can be found in the NEPS index

Eric Edgar


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 9:57 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> Doug,
>
> The indexing for those towns is incomplete. I have about a dozen from the
> CCA site that can not be found in the NEPS site
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 9:27 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Use the Madalena concelho link for Bandeiras and Candelaria, as well as
>> Madalena, Criacao Velha, and Sao Mateus.
>>
>> Doug da Rocha Holmes
>> Sacramento, California
>> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
>> 916-550-1618
>> www.dholmes.com
>>
>>
>>   Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
>> From: "luiznoia ." 
>> Date: Wed, April 23, 2014 5:18 pm
>> To: Azores Genealogy 
>>
>> I looked through the NEPS site to find a relationship to this Revoredo
>> family. There are no records in Sao Roque that match to them. I tried all
>> the other towns on the island without luck. That leaves Bandeiras and
>> Candelaria to search
>>
>> since they are on the CCA site, but not NEPS.
>>
>> Eric Edgar
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents

[luiznoia .]

I looked through the NEPS site to find a relationship to this Revoredo
family. There are no records in Sao Roque that match to them. I tried all
the other towns on the island without luck. That leaves Bandeiras and
Candelaria to search

since they are on the CCA site, but not NEPS.

Eric Edgar


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Maria Lima wrote:

> Oh my goodness!  I can't believe you found it- I was totally looking in
> the wrong years over and over. (Duh!). Someone up there is taking pity on
> me because I was stuck  on that this for hours for several days.  Oh thank
> you, Manoel for this great leap Forward.  I'm so excited now to find more
> of their children.  YAY!! : happy face here...:)
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Apr 21, 2014, at 6:33 PM, mances  wrote:
>
> I found this baptism in São Roque:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1728-1740/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1728-1740_item1/P166.html
>
> No doubt that the father's name is Manuel de Sousa Revoredo.
>
> Manoel
>
> Em domingo, 20 de abril de 2014 23h29min25s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:
>>
>> Yes now that I have the name of the wife of Manoel I can search the
>> baptisms.  I was surprised that the name turned out to be Tereza de
>> Oliveira.  I thought it was maria de something.  But Tereza de Oliveira and
>> Manoel de Sousa something Res... should be "easy" to find. ;)
>>
>>   That was thank you so much for your help.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2014, at 6:55 PM, Dano  wrote:
>>
>> Actually, I do see a "z" as the third letter. Bear in mind that in those
>> days "z" s looked much like the printed version of today (like the one at
>> the beginning of my reply). I fact, although it is faint,
>>  I see the third letter as "z," more readily than as a "v."
>> On Sunday, April 20, 2014 5:21:16 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:
>>>
>>> Dano,
>>>
>>> I don´t see z or s after Re..
>>>
>>> But, it is very helpful finding the baptism records for this couple to
>>> figure it out.
>>>
>>> Manoel
>>>
>>> Em domingo, 20 de abril de 2014 14h40min08s UTC-3, Doug da Rocha Holmes
>>> escreveu:

 I'm not sure I see either Rezendes or Revoredo. It's certainly going to
 require another document for a better example.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico & Terceira Genealogist
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   Original Message 
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
 From: Dano 
 Date: Sat, April 19, 2014 7:08 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com

 Manoel, are you certain that its Revoredo,  not Rezendes? When I looked
 at it, it looked like both.

 On Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:54:50 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:
>
> Maria,
>
> It´s Manuel de Sousa Revoredo and Teresa (Thereza) de Oliveira.
>
> Manoel
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism Record Translation Help-Francisco

[luiznoia .]

The words after Apostolo Sao Matheus are- digo dal do Espiritu Santo Santo,
The writer seems to be correcting himself, digo ( I mean the of Divino
Espirtu Santo) not Apostolo Sao Matheus



Eric Edgar


On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 7:02 AM, mnk  wrote:

> Godparents were Manoel Jose Correa and his sister Anna Felicia children of
> Manoel Jose Correa and Maria Felicia. Then it mentions the witnesses.
> MNK
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FARIA from Contra Costa, CA

[luiznoia .]

We have his birth date from the draft card.

It's 18 Jan 1877

I doubt military service took him out of the household as he was 53 years
old in 1930.

Eric


On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> All of the experienced researchers here can find a few Manuel Farias,
> about 16-17 years old, coming to America around 1893 or 1894.  I can take a
> jigsaw puzzle piece and jam it together to make it fit.  Doesn't make it
> right.
>
> Sam, you've GOT TO start with your ancestor's death and work backwards.
> Get his death certificate.  From that you'll get a lead on the cemetery.
> You may be able to locate an obituary as well.  For all you know, the
> obituary says your ancestor is survived by his sister, Rosa de Jesus
> Silveira, of Fazenda, Flores.  Start with the last thing your ancestor did
> that generated paperwork - his death.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FARIA from Contra Costa, CA

[luiznoia .]

This may be Emma's sister

DUTRA  MARY  L  1874  11  15  VARGUS  ENOS  FEMALE  CA  CONTRA COSTA  1957
 10  1082  1754470



On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:03 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> Sammie,
>
> The draft notice here, with wife's name, shows he is Manuel P Feria born
> Jan 1877
>
> The John T Faria on the 1930 census seems to me to be the same person as
> Manuel. He may have taken  american name. The age and immigration dates
> match.
>
> On the 1940 census, note that although Emma is the head of household, she
> is listed as married and not widowed.
>
> Emma's death record
>
> FARIA   EMMA  1880   07   12   mothers last-VARGAS   fathers last-ENOS
>   FEMALE   CA   SANTA CLARA   1957   09   30  77yrs
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 8:50 AM, S. Faria Lepre wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri,
>> Thanks for the reply. Sorry, I just assumed that since my subject heading
>> said California, people would know that's where I was talking about. Port
>> Costa is a census-designated place in Contra Costa County, CA. Manuel was
>> living there in 1900 apparently. After that, most of my records had the
>> family living in Richmond, Contra Costa County, CA.
>>
>> Thanks too for the clarification on the name. I figured that Manoel was
>> the Portuguese spelling. Funny, last night after posting this, I was
>> digging around in ship passenger lists and found a Manoel, but whoever
>> transcribed the information thought the "o" in his name was an "s" and so
>> now there are several records that say "Mansel" Faria! All the name
>> spelling changes sure makes it hard to track a specific person! :)
>>
>> I found several records then in the ship passenger lists, with many
>> Manoel's and many surname variations like de Faria, Ferreira, Pereira,
>> Farie, Farria, and Farias. The only one who was close to the age my Manuel
>> was said to have been during immigration was a Mansel (Manoel) Faria who
>> was 18 (year of birth abt.1875) and on the ship Peninsular which arrived in
>> NY, NY 9 May 1893. He was a laborer and from Fayal, Azores. He was going to
>> Fall River, MA. The dates are a little off from my Manuel: my records had
>> his immigration year as 1894 when he was 17, and his year of birth as 1877.
>> The dates and ages from the ship's record I found last night are off about
>> a year or two, so not sure if I have the right person still.
>>
>> I also don't know if Manuel was on a ship that went directly from the
>> Azores to San Francisco or if he was one of many Manuel Faria's who went to
>> Boston and then to Fall River, MA.
>> Sam
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:11:09 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>>> Sammie,
>>>
>>> Since you are writing to a worldwide audience, you're going to have to
>>> put more clarification on some places.
>>> No clue where Port Costa is.
>>>
>>> At the time your ancestor was born, the spelling was Manoel.  He
>>> probably learned to modernize after his immigration.
>>>
>>> Feria would be a non-Portuguese person guessing how to spell Faria.
>>>
>>> Many immigrated to the eastern ports:  New York, Boston, Providence, New
>>> Bedford.  Then many went overland to CA.  A few did go around the horn and
>>> immigrated through San Francisco.  Some went to HI first then CA.
>>>
>>> A 30+ pages of "how to" can be found on the Azores Gen Web here:
>>> http://goo.gl/4CHqo1
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:04 PM, S. Faria Lepre wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I'm researching my family and keep hitting a brick wall trying to pin
>>>> down the right personMy great-grandfather was Manuel P. Faria. I've
>>>> also seen his name spelled Manual, and Manoel. I've also found records on
>>>> Ancestry where our last name was spelled Feria. I have a U.S. Census record
>>>> from 1900 which has him listed as Manuel Feria, born 1877, married to Emma
>>>> Feria (Her maiden name was Enos), Marriage year 1900. Manuel was 23 at the
>>>> time of that census and living in Port Costa. Immigration year is listed as
>>>> 1894 and he was 17 years old at that time. I have searched and searched.
>>>> There are a lot of Manuel Faria's out there! I cannot find a record of his
>>>> birth, his marriage, or his immigration. His birth year changes depending
>>>> on what record I'm looking at: it varies from 1876-1878

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Still Looking for.Joseph Silva, Born 1830, I believe Flores. Went to boston, then came to Australia in 1855.

[luiznoia .]

I don't understand what that is. It seems a identification number from some
website?


Eric


On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 6:34 AM,  wrote:

> 1805
> Madalena, in Lajes do Pico, Pico Island, Azores, Portugal
> *_UID: 9928938A34DD450D97CB2DB95560FD437EAB
>
>  This was connected to Luiza's Birth. The parents details are the only
> hint I have ever come across. So I can only presume that Louisa was born on
> Pico in 1805.
> Thank you so much,
>   Lyn
>
> *
>
> On Saturday, 5 April 2014 04:13:47 UTC+11, luiznoia wrote:
>
>> Lyn,
>>
>> What is the origin of the parents information?  If it's correct , it's a
>> good clue with the mother from Madelena Pico, There's a Pico database that
>> is searchable on the NEPS site here:
>>
>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.html
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:48 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Thank you, That is the right ship with the right Date. It was
>>> all great information. Thank you again for your trouble. I have found a few
>>> bits and pieces in trove, but not that one. Thank you over and Over.
>>>  Well just keep on with the Parents. Thank you, Lyn :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, 4 April 2014 10:56:23 UTC+11, luiznoia wrote:
>>>
>>>> Melbourne Argus 1855 arrival of the ship from the TROVE site
>>>>
>>>> Eric Edgar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:47 AM,  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello there,
>>>>> I hope I am doing this right. If not, let me know.
>>>>> Yes I have been told several times that Joseph's Parents were very
>>>>> poor farmers. Apparently the older children were encouraged to go to 
>>>>> Boston
>>>>> and get jobs. I was also told that the, boat Ship??? that they travelled
>>>>> on, smashed against the rocks,  took on water and eventually fell apart.
>>>>> Everyone survived, and they were picked up and taken to Martha's Vineyard.
>>>>> I was told that his Brother Emmanual and a Sister Maria, his best friend,
>>>>> Emanuel Jose, who came to Australia with him, all had to work on Martha's
>>>>> Vineyard, for board and Lodgings. From there they went to Boston and then
>>>>> all went different ways.  Emanuel Jose and Joseph Silva, took Sea -mans
>>>>> Jobs.  Eventually at the end of 1854 they set sail on "The White Swallow".
>>>>> The clipper was loaded with cargo and headed to Guam. There were no
>>>>> passengers and Captain Gore. They arrived at Sorrento, the beginning of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> mouth of Port Phillip Bay and 11 men jumped ship. Joseph Silva & Emanuel
>>>>> Jose were 2 of the 11. A bounty was placed on all of their heads, but the
>>>>> men went inland and got miners jobs. None of them were ever caught. That 
>>>>> is
>>>>> all I know about Josephs Early days, until 1855. His Fathers name is
>>>>> supposed to be
>>>>> Jose da Silva (Silvaria)Your 3rd great grandfather Birth in Western
>>>>> Isles, The Azores.  Death *Living* Death 1836 in Santa Cruz, Flores
>>>>> Island, Azores, Portugal
>>>>>  His Mothers name that I have is,
>>>>>
>>>>> Luisa Rosa Franchesca FranciscoYour 3rd great grandmother Birth 1805
>>>>> in Madalena, in Lajes do Pico, Pico Island, Azores, Portugal   Death
>>>>> *Living* Death 1880 in   Santa Cruz ou Lajes. Flores, The Azores.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just really am very unsure about the parents.
>>>>> Enjoy and Thank you
>>>>> Lyn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, 3 April 2014 03:15:32 UTC+11, rchaves wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri have I read wrong or understood wrong, or Lyn already heard
>>>>>> about his parents names? That's why I asked!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *" ..I have been told his Parents names, but, each time I check this
>>>>>> out...** but, each time I check this out. the answers don't seem to
>>>>>> fit"*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, there 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname Ferro

[luiznoia .]

This is related in origin  to Ferreira, meaning an ironworker or blacksmith.

Eric


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *According to Guill, Ferro is a surname.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Spring, TX*
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *climbatr...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Friday, April 4, 2014 12:56 AM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname Ferro
>
>
>
> Hello everyone.   Is Ferro   a surname?An abbreviated version of
> another name?
>
> Thank you.
> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname Ferro

[luiznoia .]

Yes, I see Ferro as a surname in Flores records. Usually a combined form of
Paulo Ferro, or as Valadao Ferro

. It means* iron*, so may have started as an* alcunha *for a strong person,
a dark and grayish person, or a rusty colored one.

Eric Edgar


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Suzanne,
>
> Don't know for sure, as we can't see what you are looking at or even what
> context you are pulling it from.
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Still Looking for.Joseph Silva, Born 1830, I believe Flores. Went to boston, then came to Australia in 1855.

[luiznoia .]

Lyn,

What is the origin of the parents information?  If it's correct , it's a
good clue with the mother from Madelena Pico, There's a Pico database that
is searchable on the NEPS site here:

http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.html

Eric


On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:48 AM,  wrote:

> Thank you Thank you, That is the right ship with the right Date. It was
> all great information. Thank you again for your trouble. I have found a few
> bits and pieces in trove, but not that one. Thank you over and Over.
>  Well just keep on with the Parents. Thank you, Lyn :)
>
>
> On Friday, 4 April 2014 10:56:23 UTC+11, luiznoia wrote:
>
>> Melbourne Argus 1855 arrival of the ship from the TROVE site
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:47 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello there,
>>> I hope I am doing this right. If not, let me know.
>>> Yes I have been told several times that Joseph's Parents were very poor
>>> farmers. Apparently the older children were encouraged to go to Boston and
>>> get jobs. I was also told that the, boat Ship??? that they travelled
>>> on, smashed against the rocks,  took on water and eventually fell apart.
>>> Everyone survived, and they were picked up and taken to Martha's Vineyard.
>>> I was told that his Brother Emmanual and a Sister Maria, his best friend,
>>> Emanuel Jose, who came to Australia with him, all had to work on Martha's
>>> Vineyard, for board and Lodgings. From there they went to Boston and then
>>> all went different ways.  Emanuel Jose and Joseph Silva, took Sea -mans
>>> Jobs.  Eventually at the end of 1854 they set sail on "The White Swallow".
>>> The clipper was loaded with cargo and headed to Guam. There were no
>>> passengers and Captain Gore. They arrived at Sorrento, the beginning of the
>>> mouth of Port Phillip Bay and 11 men jumped ship. Joseph Silva & Emanuel
>>> Jose were 2 of the 11. A bounty was placed on all of their heads, but the
>>> men went inland and got miners jobs. None of them were ever caught. That is
>>> all I know about Josephs Early days, until 1855. His Fathers name is
>>> supposed to be
>>> Jose da Silva (Silvaria)Your 3rd great grandfather Birth in Western
>>> Isles, The Azores.  Death *Living* Death 1836 in Santa Cruz, Flores
>>> Island, Azores, Portugal
>>>  His Mothers name that I have is,
>>>
>>> Luisa Rosa Franchesca FranciscoYour 3rd great grandmother Birth 1805 in 
>>> Madalena,
>>> in Lajes do Pico, Pico Island, Azores, Portugal   Death *Living* Death
>>> 1880 in   Santa Cruz ou Lajes. Flores, The Azores.
>>>
>>> I just really am very unsure about the parents.
>>> Enjoy and Thank you
>>> Lyn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 3 April 2014 03:15:32 UTC+11, rchaves wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cheri have I read wrong or understood wrong, or Lyn already heard about
>>>> his parents names? That's why I asked!
>>>>
>>>> *" ..I have been told his Parents names, but, each time I check this
>>>> out...** but, each time I check this out. the answers don't seem to
>>>> fit"*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, there are enough people in this (Google) group, but not in the
>>>>> DNA Project. We have 357 Family Finder tests,  we have 239 Y-DNA 37 marker
>>>>> results and and only 22 more have gone out to the Y67 level (if I'm 
>>>>> reading
>>>>> this chart right).  There are 655 total people in the DNA project.  There
>>>>> are 1221 members of this Google Group, although some emails are duplicates
>>>>> (home and work, for instance).
>>>>>
>>>>> Family Finder - most definitely.  Y67 would be good, but be sure to
>>>>> get the son of the son of the son of the son of the pai incognito and be
>>>>> prepared to wait.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Still Looking for.Joseph Silva, Born 1830, I believe Flores. Went to boston, then came to Australia in 1855.

[luiznoia .]

Lyn,

I've worked on many Azores to Australia and New Zealand families.

I agree with Cheri on this. Joseph doesn't know who his parents were, so
there is no family to pursue in Flores.

 Santa Cruz and Lajes are the two concelhos of Flores, meaning he could be
born anywhere on the island.

Going on a needle in a haystack search for a baptism record with no more
information than you already have can't help.

Jose Silveira is one of the most common male names in the Azores, so it
would be difficult to determine when you had the right person.

I'd think it would be better to work through the Trove site to find more
news articles that establish his life in Australia.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/


Eric Edgar




On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:02 AM, Ricardo Chaves  wrote:

> Lyn, what is Jose's last name, I realized you don't know his parents names
> and that's what your looking for.
>
> Is it SILVA or SILVEIRA? Silvaria could be a name but I believe is a
> misspell. A very common name in Central Group and Western Group is
> SILVEIRA, and of course Silva.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Ricardo Chaves wrote:
>
>> What are his parents names? I'll give a try.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Lyn S/B,
>>>
>>> If your ancestor stated on his own marriage certificate that his parents
>>> were unknown, then he was one of those babies that was given up at the
>>> church roda.  If you think he was born in Santa Cruz or Lajes on Flores,
>>> you can look in those 2 freguesias for a baby Jose born to pais incognitos
>>> on 1 Jan 1830.
>>>
>>> I'm always suspicious of the January 1st date.  Too convenient.  But you
>>> can look, nevertheless.
>>>
>>>

   Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vierra/Vieira Family

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Carolina,

 I have a boatload of Flores families detailed in my databases, including a
few Rodrigues Vieira lines from Lajes. Find everyone you're looking for?

Eric Edgar


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:04 PM,  wrote:

> Hi Carolina,
> like Dave I am also a reader, my mom came across this site when looking
> for my paternal great grandparents who lived in Lajes das Flores. António
> Rodrigues Vieira and Maria da Trindade were my great grandparents (I have a
> photo of them)  My grandfather Joao Rodrigues Vierra settled in Turlock and
> had a dairy ranch there. It sounds like your husband's great grandfather is
> the brother of my grandfather. I am going to visit Flores for the first
> time later this year.
> Dianne
>
> On Sunday, December 23, 2007 2:40:17 PM UTC-8, Carolina wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Helen and Cliff for the info!
>>
>> I just found this group a couple of weeks ago so I am still trying to
>> get my bearings straightlol.
>>
>> All of this info is actually for my husband's side of the family - no
>> one really has done research so I thought I'd give it a go.
>>
>> My side of the family is from Madeira - my parents were from Paul do
>> Mar.
>>
>> We live in the Bay Area - in the city Pleasant Hill, near Walnut Creek
>> and Concord. My husband's distant family lives in the Modesto/Turlock
>> area.
>>
>> Thanks again!
>> Caroline
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Half Moon Bay, CA

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On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Eric Gomes wrote:

> Eddie.  I am not a hundred percent sure... but I did a look up in San
> Mateo County for someone about a year or two ago at the library in the City
> of San Mateo.  Half Moon Bay is located in San Mateo County, CA.  It is on
> the Coast of the County.  San Mateo County is the County on the San
> Francisco Peninsula immediately south of San Francisco City/County.  To
> give you an idea.  Every city between the City of South San Francisco and
> East Palo Alto is in San Mateo County.  If you can give me Catherine's DOD,
> I will try to get over there in the next month or so.  I can't commit to it
> 100% though because my schedule has been extremely hectic in the last
> month.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Eddie Machado wrote:
>
>> It worked. I had found that record via Familysearch.org, but of course
>> without the actual image. I wasn't sure about the spelling because it was
>> listed as Cardoze. Caroline is the name of my great grandmother. That is
>> why I was looking for what newspaper possibly would have an obituary for
>> Catherine. I am pretty sure Manuel Cardoza would be in the San Jose Mercury
>> in 1923, I just can't access it from PA.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 2:27:45 AM UTC-5, Mary Bordi wrote:
>>>
>>> The 1880 census for San Mateo County, Township 4 (near Half Moon
>>> Bay) shows a Manuel Cardoze married to Catherine with a bunch of children
>>> (that's a highly technical genealogical term). I was looking at
>>> this because I remembered a certain enumerator didn't just write "Azores"
>>> or "Western Islands" he wrote the name of the island! In this case it was
>>> "Picho".
>>> I'm not certain how to present the link--don't you have to be a member
>>> to view the census on Ancestry.com? Well, here it is, lower part of the
>>> page:
>>>
>>> *http://tinyurl.com/keuwfol *
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Rosa Duarte of Madalena, Pico

[luiznoia .]

Doug,

He was born natural on  25 Feb 1883 in Madelena to Rosa Clara, single. he
had a brother Manuel born natural to Rosa Clara on 18 Jun 1878.

Her parents were Antonio Garcia Miguel and Rosa Clara . You can find them
at NEPS in Madelena

Eric Edgar


On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 8:39 PM,  wrote:

> I just looked for the baptism of this Jose Rosa Duarte and either the date
> is off or he is from another island.
> Madalena sure has many using the surname Duarte, though.
>
> I'll see if I can figure it out some day. Maybe when the Horta passports
> are online I can find his departure. Maybe he was an exposto in Horta
> Matriz, but was told he was born in Madalena by someone who knew the
> truth...
>
> Thanks, Eric.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
> From: "luiznoia ." 
> Date: Mon, March 10, 2014 8:50 am
> To: Azores Genealogy 
>
> JOSE ROSA  DUARTE
>  born 25 Feb 1884 in Madelena, Pico, Azores Islands, Portugal (Source:
> Shiplist Madonna 15 Oct 1913.), and died 30 Jul 1953 in Merced County,
> California.  He married CAROLYN VINCENT, daughter of FREDERICK AMBROSE and
> ANNA SOUZA.  She was born 03 Aug 1890 in California, and died 01 Sep 1942
> in San Francisco, California
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:32 AM,  wrote:
>
>> I often found Duarte from Faial. Is that their origin?
>>
>> Doug da Rocha Holmes
>> Sacramento, California
>> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
>> 916-550-1618
>> www.dholmes.com
>>
>>
>>   Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
>> From: "luiznoia ." 
>> Date: Sun, March 09, 2014 3:33 pm
>> To: Azores Genealogy 
>>
>> The Joseph Rose Duarte family had the ranch next door to my great
>> grandparents in Atwater. My grandfather sold the family place to them about
>> 1940. Many old studio portraits of their family ended up in our posession.
>>
>> This photos was in the box with them.  They are still on the property and
>> are partners in the D & S sweet potato packing company. The S half the
>> company, the Souza's make a sweet potato based spirit called Corbin Vodka.
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico

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Bob,

I have a file on the Frederick Vincent Ambrose family. He was married three
times. To Anna Souza in 1882, Mary A Silva in 1904, and Frances V in 1915.

What are you looking for? I'l start a new thread for that family. I have
many photographs that are likely his family.

Eric Edgar


On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 7:19 PM, rml...@gmail.com  wrote:

> Eric
>
>  Do you have any additional information about this Frederick Ambrose and
> Anna Souza?
>
> Bob Luis
>
>
> On Monday, March 10, 2014 8:50:02 AM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote:
>
>> JOSE ROSA  DUARTE
>>  born 25 Feb 1884 in Madelena, Pico, Azores Islands, Portugal (Source:
>> Shiplist Madonna 15 Oct 1913.), and died 30 Jul 1953 in Merced County,
>> California.  He married CAROLYN VINCENT, daughter of FREDERICK AMBROSE and
>> ANNA SOUZA.  She was born 03 Aug 1890 in California, and died 01 Sep 1942
>> in San Francisco, California
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:32 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I often found Duarte from Faial. Is that their origin?
>>>
>>> Doug da Rocha Holmes
>>> Sacramento, California
>>> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
>>> 916-550-1618
>>> www.dholmes.com
>>>
>>>
>>>   Original Message 
>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
>>> From: "luiznoia ." 
>>> Date: Sun, March 09, 2014 3:33 pm
>>> To: Azores Genealogy 
>>>
>>> The Joseph Rose Duarte family had the ranch next door to my great
>>> grandparents in Atwater. My grandfather sold the family place to them about
>>> 1940. Many old studio portraits of their family ended up in our posession.
>>>
>>> This photos was in the box with them.  They are still on the property
>>> and are partners in the D & S sweet potato packing company. The S half the
>>> company, the Souza's make a sweet potato based spirit called Corbin Vodka.
>>>
>>> Eric Edgar
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico

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JOSE ROSA  DUARTE
 born 25 Feb 1884 in Madelena, Pico, Azores Islands, Portugal (Source:
Shiplist Madonna 15 Oct 1913.), and died 30 Jul 1953 in Merced County,
California.  He married CAROLYN VINCENT, daughter of FREDERICK AMBROSE and
ANNA SOUZA.  She was born 03 Aug 1890 in California, and died 01 Sep 1942
in San Francisco, California

Eric Edgar


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> I often found Duarte from Faial. Is that their origin?
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
> From: "luiznoia ." 
> Date: Sun, March 09, 2014 3:33 pm
> To: Azores Genealogy 
>
> The Joseph Rose Duarte family had the ranch next door to my great
> grandparents in Atwater. My grandfather sold the family place to them about
> 1940. Many old studio portraits of their family ended up in our posession.
>
> This photos was in the box with them.  They are still on the property and
> are partners in the D & S sweet potato packing company. The S half the
> company, the Souza's make a sweet potato based spirit called Corbin Vodka.
>
> Eric Edgar
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico

[luiznoia .]

The Joseph Rose Duarte family had the ranch next door to my great
grandparents in Atwater. My grandfather sold the family place to them about
1940. Many old studio portraits of their family ended up in our posession.

This photos was in the box with them.  They are still on the property and
are partners in the D & S sweet potato packing company. The S half the
company, the Souza's make a sweet potato based spirit called Corbin Vodka.

Eric Edgar


On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 12:45 PM,  wrote:

> Very nice photo, Eric.
>
> Do you mean related to you somehow, or to Antonio?
>
> I just checked and found two new DNA matches for my father. It's been a
> while since I looked.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
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>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
> From: "luiznoia ." 
> Date: Sun, March 09, 2014 11:51 am
> To: Azores Genealogy 
>
> Antonio,
>
> This photo was sent to the Rosa Duarte family in Merced county, California
> around 1900. That family is originally from Pico. I have no idea who it is,
> but assume a relative.
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Antonio Faria wrote:
>
>> I have taken the family finder test match someone whose ancestors are
>> from Mexico particularly from  Nuevo Leon I am of 100% Portuguese ancestry
>> and was actually born on Pico island. I know that it is well documented
>> that Sehardic conversos settled in Mexico starting in the 1560's some were
>> born in Portugal, the governor of that region was Luis de Carbajal Y Cueva
>> a new Christian that was born in Mogodouro Portugal. I matched one 10cm
>> strand but a total of 26 to my match. I would like to know if anyone else
>> of Azorean ancestry has matches to Mexico. I also matched two people to
>> Mexico from my y dna I am haplogroup J2a4d which is consistent with Jewish
>> paternal ancestry. I can trace my paternal line on paper to Baltazar Vieira
>> born in Sao Mateus Pico about 1580 I think he is descended from Joao Vieira
>> that arrived on Pico Island about 1509. The Lisbon massacre occcured in
>> 1506 and king Manuel I began authorizing new Christians to settle in the
>> islands in 1507. My ancestors port of departure I believe was Porto
>> Portugal.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Crovelle

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I have been researching Flores families for more than 20 years. The family
you're looking for there is Corvello.

Since Manuel came in 1862, and Naturalized in 1865, there isn't likely to
be any more information in his papers than  Flores. Your best shot is
finding a relative coming to join him or a notice in the Portuguese
language newspapers collection at UMASS Dartmouth.


Eric Edgar


On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 9:50 AM, dave-edna  wrote:

> I know there are a lot of experts on here so I thought I'd put out
> something on one of my brick walls.  I am having trouble locating records
> one set of my paternal Great Grandparents.  The lived and died in Siskiyou
> County, Ca  and are buried in the Yreka Catholic Cemetery.  I think they
> married in that area in 2-13-1879.  Unfortunately that is all I know.
>  Family history indicates my Great Grandfather was born bet 1832-1837 in
> Flores, Acores but I don't know town.  His wife Maria Jesintia Rosa was
> supposedly born 5-18-1864 in Graciosa, Acores and I don't have town there
> either.  I figure the surname probably was not Crovelle but not sure.  I
> have it spelled Crovell, Crovello  and Crovel.
> I can't find their marriage record either, but I'm pretty sure they
> married in Siskiyou County, Ca in Hawkinsville, Hornbrook or Yreka area.
> Anyhow, I'm mainly just wondering if any of you have researched Flores or
> Graciosa and may have seen anything on either or these names?  Or have
> suggestions for where else to look?
> I've done genealogy for a while but quit about 7 years ago so I'm now
> having to get myself retrained.
> Thanks.
> Edna
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help

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This is not in a format that can be opened.

Eric Edgar



On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Adair Borba  wrote:

> Morning,
>
> Could anyone help translate this document?
>
>
> I am hoping for a tidbit of information on my randparents.
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Adair Borba
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]. New Study--Percentage of Jewish ancestry among Iberian population

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Herb,

The  war continued well after 1193. The Algarve province with strong
Moorish influences wasn't in Portuguese control until 1250,

starting in 1217 with the taking of town of Alcácer do Sal, the capture
most of the Algarve in 1236 and the taking of Faro in 1249,

 removing the last Muslim state from Portuguese soil and ending the
Portuguese Reconquista.

It was in 1295 that King Diniz of Portugal essentially  established the
present  boundaries of Portugal, with one exception,

 the region of Olivena, which was Portugues until the Spanish took it in
1801.




Eric Edgar


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Herb  wrote:

> I think the Moorish influence in Portugal has been greatly exaggerated
> over the years especially with regard to Catholicism and conversions. They
> had great influence in Spain and weren't expelled from that country until
> 1492 but in Portugal their influence was mainly in the area of commerce and
> architecture and confined primarily to the the south. Their influence on
> religion was minor at best in Portugal. By very early 1100s the Crusades
> had expelled the Moors from Southern Portugal. Boundaries were formed and
> those boundaries remain essentially the same today as they were in 1139
> making Portugal the second oldest country in Europe,  second to Denmark in
> terms of having a defined border etc. Italy for example did not become a
> country until the 1800s and many countries in Europe were splintered into
> many factions and territories until even the 1900s. Those divisions
> continue to this day in many other parts of Europe.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with Fayal family

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Apparently found on Faial. I've seen it in Madeira and  Brazilian records,
Australian shiplists from Portugal and Spain, and in California.  It is a
form of Abraham. It is seen as a given name in some Portuguese and Jewish
families. Most search engines confuse it with Abreu.
 examples:


QUANDO AS ILHAS SE TORNAVAM
DEMASIADO PEQUENAS
as dificuldades empresariais de Abraão Bensaúde
na ilha de S. Miguel (1818 a 1868)

Ainda que Abraão Bensaúde se tivesse sempre dedicado à actividade
mercantil, desde o seu desembarque na ilha de S. Miguel, uma das mais
antigas referências aos negócios de Abraão Bensaúde remonta a 1827, sendo
relativa a uma "escritura de ajuste de contas e obrigação de divida e
transacção" da quantia de 700 £ (sob o câmbio de 4$880 rs) com um
comerciante hebraico radicado em Ponta Delgada.

Data: 29-01-1955
Paróquia / Conservatória: C.R.C. Porto Moniz

MARIDO: Manuel Abrão Ramos


UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

NAME: Private Edward B Abrao


DEPARTURE: New York, New York, United States
ARRIVAL: 28 Aug 1918 - Liverpool, England


Jose Rosa Abrao   DOD  3 Jul 1950 Portuguese Union of California


NAME: Mary Abrao
SPOUSE: John Abrao
BIRTH: abt 1919 - Azores
RESIDENCE: 1935 - Azores
RESIDENCE: New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts


Eric



On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 8:13 PM,  wrote:

> I never heard of the name ABRAO. Is it found anywhere in the Azores?
>
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>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with Fayal family
> From: "luiznoia ." 
> Date: Mon, February 24, 2014 3:26 pm
> To: Azores Genealogy 
>
> Doug,
>
> I thought of that, as my wife's Abreu family has numerous spellings on
> records, but the Ancestry trees I found confirmed the Abrao spelling. The
> trees are fairly extensive but poorly cited.
>
> Eric
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with Fayal family

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Doug,

I thought of that, as my wife's Abreu family has numerous spellings on
records, but the Ancestry trees I found confirmed the Abrao spelling. The
trees are fairly extensive but poorly cited.

Eric


On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:00 PM,  wrote:

> Eric,
>
> I was thinking the name might be Abreu.
> What do you think of that?
>
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>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with Fayal family
> From: "luiznoia ." 
> Date: Sun, February 23, 2014 11:30 pm
> To: Azores Genealogy 
>
> Beverly,
>
> The last name here should be spelled Abrao. It became Brown because  is
> sounds like aBron to Americans.
>
> The place in Alameda County is not Dakota, but Decoto. This is currently
>  Fremont , CA and borders the Niles district
>
> You can find them on these Ancestry trees
>
> http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/42435220/person/19788011659
>
>
> http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/37925513/person/19522088594?ssrc=&ml_rpos=9
>
> http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/41578419/person/19645971129?ssrc=&ml_rpos=7
>
>
> Eric
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with Fayal family

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Beverly,

The last name here should be spelled Abrao. It became Brown because  is
sounds like aBron to Americans.

The place in Alameda County is not Dakota, but Decoto. This is currently
 Fremont , CA and borders the Niles district

You can find them on these Ancestry trees

http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/42435220/person/19788011659


http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/37925513/person/19522088594?ssrc=&ml_rpos=9

http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/41578419/person/19645971129?ssrc=&ml_rpos=7


Eric




On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:08 PM,  wrote:

>
>  A distant cousin gave me her copy of this tree many years ago way before
> computers came to be.  I have not had any luck in finding them as I am not
> sure of where they lived.  My great grandparents were from Fayal Island.
> That we do know for sure from some documents.  The only place mentioned is
> Flamingos with Jacinto's death.
>
> I am hoping that someone on this list might have them in their tree.
> Might even know about them..
>
> Thank you for any all help.
>
> Beverly
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Castro from Portugal to Hawaii in 1883

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Passporte:

Requerentes António Fernandes de Castro
Conjugue Júlia de Jesus
Destino Hawai
Ano 1884
Mes None
Caixa 40
Num Processo 12
Num Passaporte 148
Data Baptismo None
Pai Requerente José Fernandes de Castro
Mae Requerente Ana Cândida de Jesus
Pai Conjugue António Fernandes de Castro
Mae Conjugue Cipriana de Jesus
Filhos João (1 ano)
Obs None

Casamento:

Data: 1880
Paróquia / Conservatória: Santo António

MARIDO: António Fernandes de Castro
Pai:
Mãe:

MULHER: Júlia de Jesus
Pai:
Mãe:

Livro: 1724
Folha: 20 v.º





On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Aaron Pereira wrote:

>
>
>  I forgot to post some information in my original replyhere are some
> sources to help you
>
> Arquivo Regional da 
> Madeira
> http://www.arquivo-madeira.org/item1.php?lang=1&id_channel=40&id_page=285
>
> *Hawaii archives*
> http://archives1.dags.hawaii.gov/gsdl/cgi-bin/library
>
> Hawaiian Genealogy Indexesulukau.org
>
> *The Immigrant Ancestors Project *
> http://immigrants.byu.edu/
>
> search for these names:
> Antonio Fernandes de Castro, 26 years old, and Julia de Jesus, 32 years old
>
>
> On Monday, February 17, 2014 9:46:10 PM UTC-8, Aaron Pereira wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello Raymond,
>>
>> I think I can help you.  Antonio and Julia Castro's son,  Antone Castro
>> Jr, married my great  aunt, Gloria Pereira, her parents were Francisco
>> Tavares Pereira and Roza Faria da Silva.  I believe Antonio and Julia were
>> from the Madeira Islands and arrived in Hawaii aboard the SS City of Paris
>> in June 1884.they married in Madeira in 1880.
>>
>> Let me give you some names and see if any sound familiar.  here are a few
>> of Antone and Gloria's children...Francisco Castro married Augusta Verece,
>> Gulinda Castro married John Gregory, Cecilia Castro married Edmund Kekuewa
>> Bright..
>>
>>
>> I'm from the lineage of August Tavares Pereira (Gloria's brother) a son
>> of Francisco and Roza, who emigrated from Hawaii to California in 1909.
>> email me and we can exchange some information.
>>
>> pereirah...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 17, 2014 4:31:24 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Repost for Raymona Souza, souzar at csp.edu
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> I have been trying for weeks to get some information on my great
>>> grandparents that came to Hawaii from Portugal in 1883 yet when I look for
>>> their names on the passenger lists they aren't there? I'm not sure where in
>>> Portugal they are from as the census only states Portugal. Julia and
>>> Antonio Castro were married in 1879. I got this information from the 1900
>>> Census. I do not know where to go from here and would appreciate any input
>>> from anyone. Their son, Antone Castro, is my father's father (1885-1964).
>>>
>>> Raymona Souza
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEPS - Pico families

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Doug,

My family traces back to Ribeiras also. Silveira, Soares, Cardoso, Pereira,
Melo, Fiahlo, Goulart.  I have them back to the early 1700s. Private mail
me to collaborate.

Eric Edgar


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> Yea, Rosemarie.
>
> What gets me is understanding the thought process of why a person's birth
> is listed by NEPS but without any parents when both parents are stated.
> They have made the terrible decision to not name the parents when the
> father is incognito. I wonder why.
>
> Sometimes they get too confused, it seems, and just give up and don't list
> the parents when they are clearly written in the marriage record.
>
> I have been working a lot on the Ribeiras, Pico records where there is
> that very large gap in the marriages of the 1700s. This gap has led to so
> many mistakes by NEPS.
>
> And where is the logic when the mother is having children in her 60s or
> older? There are some instances where couples with similar names are not
> distinguished and so they lump all the kids into one family, sometime
> resulting in siblings just a month or so apart. Pretty good trick, I think.
>
> One needs to use a large amount of caution especially when linking the
> families they have linked together.
> And when you see a person with many names that don't agree with the record
> you are verifying, use extreme caution or you'll end up with garbage for a
> family tree.
>
> I have found many new cousins who are descendants of my remote ancestors
> in Ribeiras, so this is very satisfying to me. My goal is to bridge the gap
> for all families there and I have been very successful so far.
>
> If anyone is stuck with their Ribeiras, Pico ancestors and want to learn
> their older ancestors beyond the gap in the 1700s, feel free to contact me
> for professional help. For that matter, anywhere on Pico or Terceira is
> where I specialize.
>
> And for general interest, you can find many interesting things of value to
> the researcher on my website below.
>
> And I wonder how many people with Faial ancestors realize it's practically
> a guarantee they also have many Pico ancestors as you trace them back in
> time. In fact, I would be surprised if there is even one person who can
> tell me their Faial ancestor born in the 1800s has no links back to Pico.
>
> Good luck.
>
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>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria
> From: "rcapodc" 
> Date: Thu, February 13, 2014 11:53 pm
> To: 
>
>  Who knows Diane. You just have to keep verifying things from the
> original documents. There are many errors in the NEPS database but at least
> it's a place to start your search.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Rosemarie
>
>  *From:* Diane Geoge 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:46 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria
>
>  Thanks. I think you are right. It's funny that it appears that way in
> two databases--must have been the same person analyzing it.
>
> I have more mysteries with this line, but I will keep going to see if I
> can solve them.
>
> Diane
>
>
>
>  *From:* azores@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com]
> *On Behalf Of *rcapodc
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:56 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com; azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria
>
>   Diane,
>
>  It's Manuel Ferreira and sua mulher (his wife)  Maria Theresa! Whoever
> extracted the info took the sua as a surname!
>
>  Rosemarie
>
>  *From:* Diane Geoge 
>  *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2014 4:27 PM
>  *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>  *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria
>
>  Hi,
>
> I located this record on CCA,
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1748-1775/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1748-1775_item1/P292.html.
> The record I am interested in is on the upper right side. I believe it is
> for Maria, daughter of Manuel ? and Maria Teresa. The name that is causing
> difficulty is that of the father. In the NEPS database for Madalena and for
> Sao Mateus/Sao Caetano, he is listed as Manuel Ferreira Surra, but the last
> name looks more like an abbreviated version of Silva or Silveira to me. The
> middle name is also abbreviated and I am not sure if the abbreviation is
> for Ferreira or Faria.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Diane George
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEPS - Pico families

[luiznoia .]

As I understand the project, groups of graduate students deciphered the
parish books and entered them into a database. The relationships were
determined by the algorithim of the program they were entered into.

The human intervention has corrected many of the inconsistancies. You will
find the ability to modify the notes , helping to fix the errors. At the
bottom of the each parish group page  you can see the links:


*You can:*

*add a family*

*modify the notes*



Eric Edgar



On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:53 PM,  wrote:

> Yea, Rosemarie.
>
> What gets me is understanding the thought process of why a person's birth
> is listed by NEPS but without any parents when both parents are stated.
> They have made the terrible decision to not name the parents when the
> father is incognito. I wonder why.
>
> Sometimes they get too confused, it seems, and just give up and don't list
> the parents when they are clearly written in the marriage record.
>
> I have been working a lot on the Ribeiras, Pico records where there is
> that very large gap in the marriages of the 1700s. This gap has led to so
> many mistakes by NEPS.
>
> And where is the logic when the mother is having children in her 60s or
> older? There are some instances where couples with similar names are not
> distinguished and so they lump all the kids into one family, sometime
> resulting in siblings just a month or so apart. Pretty good trick, I think.
>
> One needs to use a large amount of caution especially when linking the
> families they have linked together.
> And when you see a person with many names that don't agree with the record
> you are verifying, use extreme caution or you'll end up with garbage for a
> family tree.
>
> I have found many new cousins who are descendants of my remote ancestors
> in Ribeiras, so this is very satisfying to me. My goal is to bridge the gap
> for all families there and I have been very successful so far.
>
> If anyone is stuck with their Ribeiras, Pico ancestors and want to learn
> their older ancestors beyond the gap in the 1700s, feel free to contact me
> for professional help. For that matter, anywhere on Pico or Terceira is
> where I specialize.
>
> And for general interest, you can find many interesting things of value to
> the researcher on my website below.
>
> And I wonder how many people with Faial ancestors realize it's practically
> a guarantee they also have many Pico ancestors as you trace them back in
> time. In fact, I would be surprised if there is even one person who can
> tell me their Faial ancestor born in the 1800s has no links back to Pico.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria
> From: "rcapodc" 
> Date: Thu, February 13, 2014 11:53 pm
> To: 
>
>  Who knows Diane. You just have to keep verifying things from the
> original documents. There are many errors in the NEPS database but at least
> it's a place to start your search.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Rosemarie
>
>  *From:* Diane Geoge 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:46 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria
>
>  Thanks. I think you are right. It's funny that it appears that way in
> two databases--must have been the same person analyzing it.
>
> I have more mysteries with this line, but I will keep going to see if I
> can solve them.
>
> Diane
>
>
>
>  *From:* azores@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com]
> *On Behalf Of *rcapodc
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:56 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com; azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria
>
>   Diane,
>
>  It's Manuel Ferreira and sua mulher (his wife)  Maria Theresa! Whoever
> extracted the info took the sua as a surname!
>
>  Rosemarie
>
>  *From:* Diane Geoge 
>  *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2014 4:27 PM
>  *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>  *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Maria
>
>  Hi,
>
> I located this record on CCA,
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1748-1775/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1748-1775_item1/P292.html.
> The record I am interested in is on the upper right side. I believe it is
> for Maria, daughter of Manuel ? and Maria Teresa. The name that is causing
> difficulty is that of the father. In the NEPS database for Madalena and for
> Sao Mateus/Sao Caetano, he is listed as Manuel Ferreira Surra, but the last
> name looks more like an abbreviated version of Silva or Silveira to me. The
> middle name is also abbreviated and I am not sure if the abbreviation is
> for Ferreira or Faria.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Diane George
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vessel Olinda

[luiznoia .]

If the Olinda arrived in 1891, then it would not be listed at Ellis Island,
as it started in 1892.

 Perhaps the search should go from the other direction, identify her
leaving Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel on the Passportes for 1891-1892.

Eric Edgar



On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM, João Ventura  wrote:

> Interesting,
>
> I wonder if it's this steamer: 
> http://njscuba.net/sites/site_li_sound.html(scroll down to Olinda).
>
> It's marked as a Portuguese steamer, built in 1887 in England and sunk in
> 1895 in Fisher's island (NY). Best of all, it seems you can still dive in
> it. Somewhere else, I read you can still see the boiler at low tide, if the
> water has good visibility. Talk about a link to the past..
>
> João Ventura
> http://tombo.pt
>
> On Tuesday, 4 February 2014 23:01:17 UTC+1, rchaves wrote:
>>
>> Its a start I believe,
>>
>> there is not much there, yes but bits here, bits there, we migth get
>> somewhere. At least she knows that in 1891 there were at least times OLINDA
>> went to NY. With that info, I would try to look where ever she may have
>> already looked but with different dates.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:45 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>>
>>> I looked at the Olinda manifest that arrived 6/2/1891 and I did not see
>>> any name that looked like hers.  Also, the manifest does not give very much
>>> information on the passengers.
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Ricardo Chaves wrote:
>>>
 At Doug's website, he is in this group

 http://www.dholmes.com/ships.html#new york

 cheers


 On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:38 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> I looked on Ancestry for her and thus far did not find her.  I think
> Rosemarie is right that she came under a different name and this is not
> unusual.
>
> "E"
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:35 AM, GENEVA wrote:
>
>> I am a member on Ellis but just can't seem to find her. She was put
>> up for adoption  and raised in Portugal by a family with the last name of
>> Fereira or Ferreira. She then came to the US at 16 yrs old. I am sure she
>> must have come with a member of the Ferreira family.
>> Thanks for trying to help me out.
>> --
>> *From: *"Ricardo Chaves" 
>> *To: *"Azores Geneolagy" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 4, 2014 7:24:51 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vessel Olinda
>>
>> Gervais,
>>
>> i've used this one, they have good info, good luck
>> http://www.ellisisland.org/default.asp?SID=2188&gclid=CMvG6MvIsrwCFU_
>> KtAodLksAHQ
>>
>> cheers
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:05 PM, ggerva...@centurylink.net <
>> ggerva...@centurylink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>  Looking for some help to solve a mystery.On my great grandmother's
>>> declaration of intention she states she came to the United states from 
>>> St
>>> Michael's Azores to New York under a different name on February 2, 1891 
>>> on
>>> the vessel OLINDA. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of vessels
>>> passenger list. Since she listed her birthdate a year later I am 
>>> thinking
>>> that the date she arrived maybe wrong also. She came under the name
>>> Violanti Ferreira.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> G.C.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Does anybody the source of this passport record

[luiznoia .]

The Honolulu ship passenger lists from the Consuldo Geral de Portugal can
be found on these films.

Ship passenger lists, 1878-1913

Ship passenger lists, 1878-1913Family History Library  Film

1321135
  Item 17
Family History LibraryUnited States & Canada
Film1017125

Notes
See G.S. film #1321135 item 17 for additional pages of this list.

Microfilm made of manuscripts in the office of the Consulate of Portugal in
Honolulu.


The ship information on the lists can be used to find the departure dates,
and therefore the Ponta Delgada Passportes entries at the CCA site.

Earl Dalhousie left 27 March 1882

This CCA link covers that
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883_item1/index.html



Eric Edgar


Text in Portuguese.

Registration of Portuguese citizens arriving in Hawaii. Lists include some
personal information about each of the persons registered.



On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Shirley Allegre wrote:

>  Aaron this is what I found in IMMIGRATION FROM AZORES TO HAWAII
> 1879-1883  (author Bob de Mello)
>
> Page 305
> Francisco Tavares PEREIRA, ag*e* *32*
> Father:  Fulgacio Tavares Pereira
> Mother: Ursula de Jesus
> From:  A.  de Peixe
> Ship: Dalhousie
>
> This is what I found on CONSULADO GERAL DE PORTUGAL EM HAWAII   (The
> ship's passenger list.)
>
> Passenger # 771   Francisco Tavares,  age *26,  *single
> From: Ribeira Grande
> Ship:  Earl Dalhousie
> Date March 1882
>
> Hope this helps.
> Shirley in CA
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Aaron Pereira 
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, January 31, 2014 4:19 AM
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Does anybody the source of this
> passport record
>
> Hello,
> ,
> Thank you very much HK Pimental and Hermano.  I found my great great
> grandpa, Francisco Tavares Pereira.  It lists his parents (Fulgencio
> Tavares Pereira and Ursula de Jesus), his age, height and build,  hair
> color and when he left to the Sandwich Islands. Its also lists his parish
> and church, Rabo de Peixe, Senhor Bom Jesus.  I'm very excited right now!
> I just got off of work, came here and noticed the link to these records.  I
> had no idea they existed.  Thanks again!
>
> On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:48:49 PM UTC-8, HK Pimental wrote:
>>
>> Hi fellow researchers,
>> I copied this file several years ago and don't remember where I found it.
>> I need to find some others for this area. Is it online?
>> Thanks for any help,
>> Howard Keith Pimental
>> São Roque, São Miguel
>> Pereira, Botelho, in Rosto do Cão
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Legitimate vs Natural

[luiznoia .]

You will also occasionally see"pai incerto" of uncertain father ," pai
incognito", of unknown father. .

I have seen at least three records that stated  one of those, yet stated
the paternal grandparents. You could only analyze that to means they didn't
know which brother.

Eric Edgar


On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 1:38 PM, John Raposo  wrote:

> A "natural" child is one where the parents were not married to each other
> bur neither parent was married to somebody else. There was no adultery
> involved, only two people coming together without benefit of clergy. In
> other words, they were free to marry each other if they so desired. An
> illigitimat child is one where the parents were not married to each other,
> nor could they be, since one or both were already married to somebody else.
> That is my understanding.
>
>
>   On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:41 PM, David J Lima <
> dave.j.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  In the CCA baptism records, I see that some are worded as "legitimate"
> and others are worded as "natural", and the latter seem to omit the father.
> What is the difference? why is the father omitted in the naturals?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lorenzo, Antony

[luiznoia .]

Jane,

If you can get a birthdate from the cemetery, then maybe I can locate his
baptism record in Flores. He would be recorded there as Antonio Lourenco,
and I would guess the de Fraga comes from the mother's family. The parents
may be Manuel Lourenco and Maria  ( de Conceicao, de Jesus, de Gloria, etc)
with de Fraga parents.

These name combinations point toward the north of the island.

Eric Edgar


On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 12:00 AM, jane Kelly wrote:

> Thank you - Anthony married Agnes Eliza McGirty in Sydney NSW in 1874 aged
> 22 years. The other information I have comes from his naturalisation
> certificate on 9 August 1888.
> he died 4 April 1905 in Balmain , Sydney  aged 54 years, I have the
> marriage certificate 16.2.1874 his parents are listed as Manuel Lorenzo (
> Sailor) and Mary -  rights of roman catholic church. Also have his death
> certificate but have not been able to find anything about his parents or
> life before Australia
>
> Only references to birth that I have are:
> - his marriage certificate -16.2.1874  lists him as a sailor aged 23 years
> - his naturalisation certificate - 9 august 1888 - lists him arriving in
> Australia in 1861, and advising he is 34 years old, says he is a native of
> Flores, West Island, Azores
> - his first son was named Antoni George on his birth certificate (
> 3.11.1877 in Balmain Sydney) and the father is named as Antoni George
> Larence - Mariner , aged 27 from Portugal
>
> I do not have a birth date yet - but will shortly visit his grave in
> Rookwood cemetery and that might help with a date of birth
>
>
> Jane,
>>
>> I've worked with 2 other people who had ancestors from Flores, Azores who
>> immigrated to Australia or New Zealand. I'm familiar with the databases
>> available for Australian passenger and shipping lists.
>> I've checked a number of databases, but none showed a "Triton" arrival
>> for 1861. That particular year has a gap in the records of ships arriving
>> at New South Wales.
>>
>> The son's name with the de Frayer may give a clue, likely originally
>> being: de Fraga.   Who did Anthony Lorenzo marry ?
>>
>> Can you give some more information; his birthdate, marriage information ?
>>  With birth information he may be found in the parish baptism records of
>> Flores at the CCA - azores government archives site
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 9:28 PM, jane Kelly wrote:
>>
>>> I am researching my family history and want to identify Antony or
>>> Anthony Lorenzo who arrived in Australia on "Triton" in 1861 at age of 9
>>> years - this information is from his naturalisation papers in Australia and
>>> he list his parents as and Manuel and Maria and his birth place as Flores,
>>> West Island, Azores , Azores on these papers. He would have been born about
>>> 1854. I am hoping someone else may also be related and give me some further
>>> information. He married and had children in Australia with his son Francis
>>> Maxwell De Frayer Lorenzo being my great great grandfather. regards Jane
>>> Kelly.
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