[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design

2012-10-06 Thread Leonard Silva
Can anyone suggest websites, books or software for designing a family tree.

Currently, all my information is on Ancestry.com but their tree does not 
deal well with unusual relationships.

In my case, my grandfather married and had four children.  He was widowed 
and subsequently married his widow's brother's daughter.  My father came 
from that union.

The problem is that not only was he related to my grandmother in two 
different ways (she was his niece), she is a generation after him in the 
family tree.

Ancestry.com simply shows him in two different places at two different 
levels..

I am trying to figure out how to draw this information myself, even if it 
is in manually drawn tree.

Thanks,

Len Silva

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design

2012-10-13 Thread Cheri Mello
Len,

In addition to running this list, I'm also a genealogy lecturer.  One of my
speeches is genealogy software.

Genealogists are periodically surveyed.  Dick Eastman (of Eastman's Online
Genealogical News; former CompuServe Genealogy Forum leader) ran a survey
about 2 years ago now.  The 4 most popular genealogy softwares out there
for PCs were:

1) Family Tree Maker.  This had the largest share (I think around 35%).  It
syncs with Ancestry and is easily available from Fry's, Best Buy, and other
electronics stores. But you want to get away from Ancestry.  So I'll
discuss the others.

The next 3 were all close.  I remember them being like 12%, 14%, 16% of the
market share.  All have had a new version in the past year.  So I will
present them alphabetically.

2) Legacy (www.legacyfamilytree.com).  They have their Standard version
(free) and their Deluxe version with about 100 more features for about $30
or $40.  That program is fairly easy to learn to use and has a lot of
features as well.  For my lecture, I took my best friend's family, showed
how her mom was married to her dad, but during a mid-life crisis had
another child with another man (assigned as "partner" in their program) and
had that child come out as a half sibling to my best friend and her
sisters. On the main screen though, I have to have either the husband or
the "partner" up.  Not both at the same time.

3) RootsMagic (www.rootsmagic.com or www.rootsmagic.com/essentials).  Their
Essentials version is free.  The Essentials does get a lot of criticism for
being pretty bare bones, but you can still download it and play around with
it.  It's probably one of the easiest to learn to use.  Depending on what
kind of computer user you are, you may outgrow the program.  However, I
know a couple of engineers who love RootsMagic.  Their paid version also
comes with "RootsMagic To Go" that you load on your USB/Flash/Thumb drive
and you will have your genealogy with you to access at all times.  I don't
remember the label for my best friend's family, but it did take them all.

4) The Master Genealogist (TMG) (www.whollygenes.com).  You can download
their program and try it out for 30 days free.  It is the most powerful
program on the market today and can do just about everything imaginable.
Because of this, it does have a large learning curve.  They heard this
criticism and they have developed a "beginner's" mode and an "advanced"
mode.  They also have added pop up windows that explains the features.
Helpful until you learn it.  Then, you can turn them off. I put my friend's
family in TMG.  Their layout is different (customizable too) so I can see
one main person (her mom) and both men on the screen at the same time.  I
don't have to chose one over the other.

Len, make a Gedcom from Ancestry.  Download Legacy (Standard), RootsMagic
(Essentials), and TMG (free for 30 days).  Import your Gedcom and play
around with it.  Marry yourself to yourself and see what happens.  Give
yourself a new "wife" and name him George Washington and see what the
program does.  See if there are any Users Groups in your area and go and
talk to them (we get people coming to our User Group, shopping for a new
genealogy software program).  Once you've decided on which program you
prefer, delete the "family" or "file" or "project" where you married
yourself to yourself as well as George Washington and import your Gedcom
again from Ancestry.

The "best" program will be the one that you find best suits your needs and
allows to manipulate or search your data in the way you like best.

Although inaccurate, you might want to browse this site for the Top 10
Genealogy Software reviews: http://goo.gl/CNIw4

According to the above site, the program I use has no privacy option or
rating system for sources.  It has both.  The privacy option becomes
available when you go to publish your information.  The rating system for
sources is on the source screen, so I don't know why they didn't find it.
So if you do really like one program a lot but you are concerned about one
of their features that is missing in the above critique, look in the help
file or ask a user of that program.

This web site was a bit more though, but he no longer updates it.  But you
still may find it useful if you are after particular features:
http://goo.gl/P1Gdk

Again, the "best" program will be the one that best suits your needs. And
all of these programs have had updates within the past year, I believe.
And you PAF users (Personal Ancestral File) can go ahead and arm yourself
with rotten tomatoes to throw at me.  I know you are all loyal users of
many years. However, I won't recommend a program that hasn't been updated
in years to someone who is currently shopping for a new program.  Just like
if you were shopping for a new computer.  It would be crazy of my to tell
you not to have the current version of Windows installed.  Instead, I have
my copy of Windows Me/Millennium that you could install on your new PC.
You'd th

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design

2012-10-14 Thread Maria Lima
Hi "E"

I do not believe  the Family search site will charge.  


 I just learned that pretty soon the new.familysearch.org will go public.  You 
will see family trees entered by members  of The Church of Jesus Christ of 
Latter-Day Saints worldwide.  I don't know for sure if it has been released but 
I've been on it as a family history consultant where I live.  

Maria Elena


On Oct 13, 2012, at 3:37 PM, bellema...@gmail.com wrote:

> It is my understanding by reading various media that Ancestry.com is for sale 
> and may soon be bought out. There are a couple of companies interested in 
> purchasing it and I do not know if they are American companies or not and, if 
> not, wonder if they will keep main offices in this country. I believe they 
> now have an international office in Ireland. Also, will be interesting what, 
> if any, changes will be made if/when they are bought out. I have enjoyed 
> using Ancestry.com for many years now but this will be my last renewal as I 
> don't use it in my research anymore, mainly to help others on this list and 
> other lists and it is no longer cost effective for me. Now that FHC is 
> putting many of its records on line I use it more and more as a resource, 
> free for now, but wonder if it will remain the same in the future. 
> 
> "E"
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design

2012-10-14 Thread Cheri Mello
>From what I understand, only those at the FHC (Family History Centers) have
been able to access the newer site (probably as beta testers).
Cheri Mello
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Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design

2012-10-21 Thread Leonard Silva
Cheri,

Thank you so much for that input.  I have no problem at all with 
Ancestry.com except for the limitations of the online family tree.  I don't 
know if Family Tree Maker has the same limitations but it's cheap enough 
that I think I'll try it.  If I'm not satisfied with that, I may just do it 
myself in a graphics program.

What I am trying to learn is, are there standards for displaying 
relationship events like divorce, re-marriage, adoption, etc. or does 
everyone  just do the best they can in their own way?.  I have not found 
anything that looks like a standard, I like the Ancestry.com layout and 
will probably work with that.

Thanks,

Len

On Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:12:51 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Len,
>
> In addition to running this list, I'm also a genealogy lecturer.  One of 
> my speeches is genealogy software.
>
> Genealogists are periodically surveyed.  Dick Eastman (of Eastman's Online 
> Genealogical News; former CompuServe Genealogy Forum leader) ran a survey 
> about 2 years ago now.  The 4 most popular genealogy softwares out there 
> for PCs were:
>
> 1) Family Tree Maker.  This had the largest share (I think around 35%).  
> It syncs with Ancestry and is easily available from Fry's, Best Buy, and 
> other electronics stores. But you want to get away from Ancestry.  So I'll 
> discuss the others.
>
> The next 3 were all close.  I remember them being like 12%, 14%, 16% of 
> the market share.  All have had a new version in the past year.  So I will 
> present them alphabetically.
>
> 2) Legacy (www.legacyfamilytree.com).  They have their Standard version 
> (free) and their Deluxe version with about 100 more features for about $30 
> or $40.  That program is fairly easy to learn to use and has a lot of 
> features as well.  For my lecture, I took my best friend's family, showed 
> how her mom was married to her dad, but during a mid-life crisis had 
> another child with another man (assigned as "partner" in their program) and 
> had that child come out as a half sibling to my best friend and her 
> sisters. On the main screen though, I have to have either the husband or 
> the "partner" up.  Not both at the same time.
>
> 3) RootsMagic (www.rootsmagic.com or www.rootsmagic.com/essentials).  
> Their Essentials version is free.  The Essentials does get a lot of 
> criticism for being pretty bare bones, but you can still download it and 
> play around with it.  It's probably one of the easiest to learn to use.  
> Depending on what kind of computer user you are, you may outgrow the 
> program.  However, I know a couple of engineers who love RootsMagic.  Their 
> paid version also comes with "RootsMagic To Go" that you load on your 
> USB/Flash/Thumb drive and you will have your genealogy with you to access 
> at all times.  I don't remember the label for my best friend's family, but 
> it did take them all.
>
> 4) The Master Genealogist (TMG) (www.whollygenes.com).  You can download 
> their program and try it out for 30 days free.  It is the most powerful 
> program on the market today and can do just about everything imaginable.  
> Because of this, it does have a large learning curve.  They heard this 
> criticism and they have developed a "beginner's" mode and an "advanced" 
> mode.  They also have added pop up windows that explains the features.  
> Helpful until you learn it.  Then, you can turn them off. I put my friend's 
> family in TMG.  Their layout is different (customizable too) so I can see 
> one main person (her mom) and both men on the screen at the same time.  I 
> don't have to chose one over the other.
>
> Len, make a Gedcom from Ancestry.  Download Legacy (Standard), RootsMagic 
> (Essentials), and TMG (free for 30 days).  Import your Gedcom and play 
> around with it.  Marry yourself to yourself and see what happens.  Give 
> yourself a new "wife" and name him George Washington and see what the 
> program does.  See if there are any Users Groups in your area and go and 
> talk to them (we get people coming to our User Group, shopping for a new 
> genealogy software program).  Once you've decided on which program you 
> prefer, delete the "family" or "file" or "project" where you married 
> yourself to yourself as well as George Washington and import your Gedcom 
> again from Ancestry.
>
> The "best" program will be the one that you find best suits your needs and 
> allows to manipulate or search your data in the way you like best.
>
> Although inaccurate, you might want to browse this site for the Top 10 
> Genealogy Software reviews: http://goo.gl/CNIw4
>
> According to the above site, the program I use has no privacy option or 
> rating system for sources.  It has both.  The privacy option becomes 
> available when you go to publish your information.  The rating system for 
> sources is on the source screen, so I don't know why they didn't find it.  
> So if you do really like one program a lot but you are concerned about one 
> of their features t

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design

2012-10-21 Thread Cheri Mello
Len,

There's a pedigree or ancestry chart, a family group sheet, and more. I
think you need an indented descendancy chart.  I'll look this up tonight.
I'm off to meet a cousin I've never meet before.

Cheri

On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Leonard Silva wrote:

> Cheri,
>
> Thank you so much for that input.  I have no problem at all with
> Ancestry.com except for the limitations of the online family tree.  I don't
> know if Family Tree Maker has the same limitations but it's cheap enough
> that I think I'll try it.  If I'm not satisfied with that, I may just do it
> myself in a graphics program.
>
> What I am trying to learn is, are there standards for displaying
> relationship events like divorce, re-marriage, adoption, etc. or does
> everyone  just do the best they can in their own way?.  I have not found
> anything that looks like a standard, I like the Ancestry.com layout and
> will probably work with that.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Len
>
>
> On Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:12:51 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Len,
>>
>> In addition to running this list, I'm also a genealogy lecturer.  One of
>> my speeches is genealogy software.
>>
>> Genealogists are periodically surveyed.  Dick Eastman (of Eastman's
>> Online Genealogical News; former CompuServe Genealogy Forum leader) ran a
>> survey about 2 years ago now.  The 4 most popular genealogy softwares out
>> there for PCs were:
>>
>> 1) Family Tree Maker.  This had the largest share (I think around 35%).
>> It syncs with Ancestry and is easily available from Fry's, Best Buy, and
>> other electronics stores. But you want to get away from Ancestry.  So I'll
>> discuss the others.
>>
>> The next 3 were all close.  I remember them being like 12%, 14%, 16% of
>> the market share.  All have had a new version in the past year.  So I will
>> present them alphabetically.
>>
>> 2) Legacy (www.legacyfamilytree.com).  They have their Standard version
>> (free) and their Deluxe version with about 100 more features for about $30
>> or $40.  That program is fairly easy to learn to use and has a lot of
>> features as well.  For my lecture, I took my best friend's family, showed
>> how her mom was married to her dad, but during a mid-life crisis had
>> another child with another man (assigned as "partner" in their program) and
>> had that child come out as a half sibling to my best friend and her
>> sisters. On the main screen though, I have to have either the husband or
>> the "partner" up.  Not both at the same time.
>>
>> 3) RootsMagic (www.rootsmagic.com or www.rootsmagic.com/essentials)**.
>> Their Essentials version is free.  The Essentials does get a lot of
>> criticism for being pretty bare bones, but you can still download it and
>> play around with it.  It's probably one of the easiest to learn to use.
>> Depending on what kind of computer user you are, you may outgrow the
>> program.  However, I know a couple of engineers who love RootsMagic.  Their
>> paid version also comes with "RootsMagic To Go" that you load on your
>> USB/Flash/Thumb drive and you will have your genealogy with you to access
>> at all times.  I don't remember the label for my best friend's family, but
>> it did take them all.
>>
>> 4) The Master Genealogist (TMG) (www.whollygenes.com).  You can download
>> their program and try it out for 30 days free.  It is the most powerful
>> program on the market today and can do just about everything imaginable.
>> Because of this, it does have a large learning curve.  They heard this
>> criticism and they have developed a "beginner's" mode and an "advanced"
>> mode.  They also have added pop up windows that explains the features.
>> Helpful until you learn it.  Then, you can turn them off. I put my friend's
>> family in TMG.  Their layout is different (customizable too) so I can see
>> one main person (her mom) and both men on the screen at the same time.  I
>> don't have to chose one over the other.
>>
>> Len, make a Gedcom from Ancestry.  Download Legacy (Standard), RootsMagic
>> (Essentials), and TMG (free for 30 days).  Import your Gedcom and play
>> around with it.  Marry yourself to yourself and see what happens.  Give
>> yourself a new "wife" and name him George Washington and see what the
>> program does.  See if there are any Users Groups in your area and go and
>> talk to them (we get people coming to our User Group, shopping for a new
>> genealogy software program).  Once you've decided on which program you
>> prefer, delete the "family" or "file" or "project" where you married
>> yourself to yourself as well as George Washington and import your Gedcom
>> again from Ancestry.
>>
>> The "best" program will be the one that you find best suits your needs
>> and allows to manipulate or search your data in the way you like best.
>>
>> Although inaccurate, you might want to browse this site for the Top 10
>> Genealogy Software reviews: http://goo.gl/CNIw4
>>
>> According to the above site, the program I use has no privacy option or
>> rating syste

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design

2012-10-22 Thread Ralph Sellars
The FAMILY TREE MAKER  program of 2005 has under the "marraige details" section 
eight (8 )title  specific detailed data elements: bands, contract,  ending, 
facts, license, settlement, refl.#, and name.   Many of these have a list of 
menue options: vis; FACTS-kind of relationship= firiends, married, other, 
partners, private, single, unknown:  or STATUS-nine choices incl. annulment, 
divorce, seperation, etc.  any or all of which can be included in their out 
line descendant report,  plus much more. 



Ralph E. Sellars, Jr. 
E-Mail resj...@yahoo.com
 



From: Cheri Mello 
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design


Len,

There's a pedigree or ancestry chart, a family group sheet, and more. I think 
you need an indented descendancy chart.  I'll look this up tonight.  I'm off to 
meet a cousin I've never meet before.

Cheri


On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Leonard Silva  wrote:

Cheri,
>
>Thank you so much for that input.  I have no problem at all with Ancestry.com 
>except for the limitations of the online family tree.  I don't know if Family 
>Tree Maker has the same limitations but it's cheap enough that I think I'll 
>try it.  If I'm not satisfied with that, I may just do it myself in a graphics 
>program.
>
>What I am trying to learn is, are there standards for displaying relationship 
>events like divorce, re-marriage, adoption, etc. or does everyone  just do the 
>best they can in their own way?.  I have not found anything that looks like a 
>standard, I like the Ancestry.com layout and will probably work with that.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Len 
>
>
>On Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:12:51 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: 
>Len,
>>
>>In addition to running this list, I'm also a genealogy lecturer.  One of my 
>>speeches is genealogy software.
>>
>>Genealogists are periodically surveyed.  Dick Eastman (of Eastman's Online 
>>Genealogical News; former CompuServe Genealogy Forum leader) ran a survey 
>>about 2 years ago now.  The 4 most popular genealogy softwares out there for 
>>PCs were:
>>
>>1) Family Tree Maker.  This had the largest share (I think around 35%).  It 
>>syncs with Ancestry and is easily available from Fry's, Best Buy, and other 
>>electronics stores. But you want to get away from Ancestry.  So I'll discuss 
>>the others.
>>
>>The next 3 were all close.  I remember them being like 12%, 14%, 16% of the 
>>market share.  All have had a new version in the past year.  So I will 
>>present them alphabetically.
>>
>>2) Legacy (www.legacyfamilytree.com).  They have their Standard version 
>>(free) and their Deluxe version with about 100 more features for about $30 or 
>>$40.  That program is fairly easy to learn to use and has a lot of features 
>>as well.  For my lecture, I took my best friend's family, showed how her mom 
>>was married to her dad, but during a mid-life crisis had another child with 
>>another man (assigned as "partner" in their program) and had that child come 
>>out as a half sibling to my best friend and her sisters. On the main screen 
>>though, I have to have either the husband or the "partner" up.  Not both at 
>>the same time.
>>
>>3) RootsMagic (www.rootsmagic.com or www.rootsmagic.com/essentials).  Their 
>>Essentials version is free.  The Essentials does get a lot of criticism for 
>>being pretty bare bones, but you can still download it and play around with 
>>it.  It's probably one of the easiest to learn to use.  Depending on what 
>>kind of computer user you are, you may outgrow the program.  However, I know 
>>a couple of engineers who love RootsMagic.  Their paid version also comes 
>>with "RootsMagic To Go" that you load on your USB/Flash/Thumb drive and you 
>>will have your genealogy with you to access at all times.  I don't remember 
>>the label for my best friend's family, but it did take them all.
>>
>>4) The Master Genealogist (TMG) (www.whollygenes.com).  You can download 
>>their program and try it out for 30 days free.  It is the most powerful 
>>program on the market today and can do just about everything imaginable.  
>>Because of this, it does have a large learning curve.  They heard this 
>>criticism and they have developed a "beginner's" mode and an "advanced" 
>>mode.  They also have added pop up windows that explains the features.  
>>Helpful until you learn it.  Then, you can turn them off. I put my friend's 
>>family in TMG.  Their layout is different 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design

2012-10-22 Thread Cheri Mello
Ralph S,

Most genealogy programs have different choices or labels.  You just have to
know where to look.  I know where to find them in TMG and Legacy, but I
don't know where to find them in RootsMagic.  But I'm sure they are there.
They all have to compete with each other.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design

2012-10-22 Thread Pam Santos
I have had Family tree Maker for years and latelty not really happy with
it.  If your tree getts too big you can't email a pedigree chart. It only
allows 150 pages on mine even thought PDF has a max of 200. Twice so far it
has changed people who were born in Oklahoma to New Mexico, I had to
manually change  about 200 people back to Oklahoma.

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Ralph S,
>
> Most genealogy programs have different choices or labels.  You just have
> to know where to look.  I know where to find them in TMG and Legacy, but I
> don't know where to find them in RootsMagic.  But I'm sure they are there.
> They all have to compete with each other.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design

2012-10-23 Thread rondo ranch



I have had some problems too so I contacted the company for help (twice) and both times they just wanted to reinstall.  The first time the problem was the program would not show ancesters of my Great- Grandfather. so I tried retyping etc. The solution (that  discovered on my own) was that the parents were not selected as preferred and that is why they were not showing up.  So simple why didn't they have me check that first. This happen when I merged two trees,  I believe the problem this time will be simple too.  I just finished merging two large trees.  It just does not show the information for me and my husband at the bottom of the page when you are on the family tab. If anybody has a sugestion as to what to try please let me know. 
 Doreen Caetano, researching in Ribeirinha, Agualva, Altares, Raminho and Brazil. 
-Original Message- From: Pam Santos Sent: Oct 22, 2012 11:58 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design I have had Family tree Maker for years and latelty not really happy with it.  If your tree getts too big you can't email a pedigree chart. It only allows 150 pages on mine even thought PDF has a max of 200. Twice so far it has changed people who were born in Oklahoma to New Mexico, I had to manually change  about 200 people back to Oklahoma.
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
Ralph S,Most genealogy programs have different choices or labels.  You just have to know where to look.  I know where to find them in TMG and Legacy, but I don't know where to find them in RootsMagic.  But I'm sure they are there.  They all have to compete with each other.

Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design

2012-10-13 Thread bellemarco
It is my understanding by reading various media that Ancestry.com is for  
sale and may soon be bought out. There are a couple of companies interested  
in purchasing it and I do not know if they are American companies or not  
and, if not, wonder if they will keep main offices in this country. I  
believe they now have an international office in Ireland. Also, will be  
interesting what, if any, changes will be made if/when they are bought out.  
I have enjoyed using Ancestry.com for many years now but this will be my  
last renewal as I don't use it in my research anymore, mainly to help  
others on this list and other lists and it is no longer cost effective for  
me. Now that FHC is putting many of its records on line I use it more and  
more as a resource, free for now, but wonder if it will remain the same in  
the future.


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Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree mechanics and design

2012-10-23 Thread bellemarco
I just updated my family tree info from my laptop to my mini. I downloaded  
it from my laptop to a memory stick and uploaded it to the mini and it  
worked. I need to merge two family files and as soon as I get the time, I  
am going to try the same thing again...maybe this afternoon. Will let you  
know if it does.


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