Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] PASSPORT DESTINATIONS

2018-07-23 Thread Hana Johnson
Hi Maria,

I assume that Brazil was not expected as a destination. Are you positively
sure that passport record is of your ancestor? If you are certain it is
yours, then there must be an interesting story.

My ancestors from Ginetes left for Hawaii. In the destination column it
says Hawaii and there are ditto marks down the page. I think it even names
the ship as the Vapor (hard to read). The record in Hawaii states they came
on the Hanza or Hansa. The ship was actually the Vapor Hanza. The passport
date is July 1, 1882 and they arrived in Honolulu on September 15, 1882. It
appears that the ship was full of passengers leaving for Hawaii. Hawaii is
half a world away from Sao Miguel and, once they got here, they never left.
Brazil is not so isolated, but I would think that was the destination.

The passport was for Brazil. If they had enough money and were not happy in
Brazil, they could have left. Also, consider the reason for leaving and how
many and how often were ships picking up passengers and whether or not it
was a passenger ship.

My ancestors were illiterate and came here to work as farmers. According to
my mother, there were many relatives who came around the same time on
different ships. All of them came to work for the sugar industry.
Unfortunately, I don’t know who they all were, yet. Even if they had wanted
to leave Hawaii, that generation didn’t have the means to. It makes it a
little easier for me to research.

I have been researching my husband’s ancestors, a married couple with
children, who emigrated from Germany to Venezuela in the late 1800’s. It is
clear that several left to New York, but not all together, and there was
someone, also from Germany, in New York City to receive them. One son
stayed behind and settled in Venezuela where my husband is from.

I also have Danish ancestors who emigrated to Chicago. It took decades to
learn that an older cousin who had emigrated first, married well and
settled in New York, had been sponsoring their passage to America little by
little. They disembarked in New York but were received by immigrations in
Chicago.

It’s a long shot, but if Brazil was not where your Portuguese ancestors
wanted to be, and going back to the Azores was not an option, with money
and maybe a little help, they could have easily moved on. Anything is
possible.

Aloha,
Hana

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:13 AM Maria Lima  wrote:

> If the destination says "BRAZIL" then does that mean the person had to
> actually leave for BRAZIL?   Was it customary to say you wanted passport
> for one country and then go to another?
>
> Im looking around 1882/83 and most of the Destination columns are for
> Brazil only with Ditto marks all the way down the page.I've been
> reading every name but  maybe  I just look for those going to America and
> read from right to left.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] PASSPORT DESTINATIONS

2018-07-23 Thread Cheri Mello
Yes. If they were going somewhere else, it would say something like "país
estrangeiro."

It seems like there were waves of immigration to certain areas. I see the
Brazil group, the Sandwich Isles group (Hawaii), and the America group,
with a few others scattered in.

Remember, not all passaportes exist. There are gaps. The port of Ponta
Delgada has gaps in the 1880s.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:13 AM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> If the destination says "BRAZIL" then does that mean the person had to
> actually leave for BRAZIL?   Was it customary to say you wanted passport
> for one country and then go to another?
>
> Im looking around 1882/83 and most of the Destination columns are for
> Brazil only with Ditto marks all the way down the page.I've been
> reading every name but  maybe  I just look for those going to America and
> read from right to left.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Maria Elena
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] PASSPORT DESTINATIONS

2018-07-23 Thread Maria Lima
If the destination says "BRAZIL" then does that mean the person had to actually 
leave for BRAZIL?   Was it customary to say you wanted passport for one country 
and then go to another?  

Im looking around 1882/83 and most of the Destination columns are for Brazil 
only with Ditto marks all the way down the page.I've been reading every 
name but  maybe  I just look for those going to America and read from right to 
left. 

Thanks.  

Maria Elena 

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