Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Azores Passport Records.
Justin B, Don't bother to requote the original message, it's already there. It takes a lot of scrolling to find your response, especially after a few other people start to chime in. You'll need to trace the people who have more paper trail. So that's Maria Julia's husband, Julio Jacinto Borges. Look for his paper trail. But if the naturalization is 1897, those records aren't as good. Generally they say the petitioner renounces the King of Portugal and is hereby declared a citizen. The later naturalizations ask a lot more background questions. If they married at St. John the Baptist church in New Bedford, the church *might* have the freguesia recorded in the original book. It depends on the time period. St. John's closed and the records are at Mt. Carmel in New Bedford. They'll do a look up (especially when you make a donation to the church), but we are getting near advent and the church secretary is probably getting really busy! If your grandmother is 90, get her DNA now, even though you may not know anything about it. Your grandmother has 50% of her parents DNA and 25% of her grands, which is your 2 greats! It's on sale now for $49 USD (+$12.95 S - includes return postage for the kit if you are a U.S. resident): https://goo.gl/dtAs4j The sale ends Thursday. We may be able to figure out some general matching from other's research areas. If your grandmother can't remember, try running the councils by her: Ponta Delgada, Ribeira Grande (he-BAY-ra grahnd), Nordeste (nor-DAYSHT), Povoacao (pooh-VAH-sow - sow is like saying "sound" but without the "nd"), Vila Franca (vee-lah frahn-kah), and Lagoa.That's the best I can do (and I'm not a native speaker, so someone will correct my vowels). If we can get you into a general location, then we can try running the freguesias by her. Once you say it, she may say "That's it." Is your grandmother the daughter of 3 year old Julio Borges on that ship's manifest? Do you have Julio's death certificate? What does it say about his parents' birth locations? Just Sao Miguel? Was anyone else born over there? Maria Julia's mother, who died in 1904...what was her name? There's an archive catalog that *might* have the inventory of her estate (unless she was survived by her husband. Then that idea won't work). Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:58 AM Justin Brown wrote: > On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 1:41:34 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: > > I checked the American end...it says your Maria Julia and her son, Julio > were in America in 1904 (in New Bedford) and both are U.S. citizens. You > may want to check 1904. Looking at the council and freguesia column, you'd > see just America written in that column. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheri Mello > > Listowner, Azores-Gen > > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira > Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:40 AM Cheri Mello wrote: > > > > > > Hi Justin B, > > > > > > Yes, they all had to register. The problem is, we don't know WHEN. So > you start looking at 18 June 1905 and work your way back in time on the > passaportes. > > > > > > If you know the freguesia (village), it's easier to go down that column > looking for the council and freguesia than it is to look and every single > Maria. > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheri Mello > > Listowner, Azores-Gen > > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira > Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:38 AM Justin Brown wrote: > > Was it mandatory for all people leaving the islands to "get a passport" > or be recorded. Even if it wasn't their first time departing the island. I > ask because I have the immigration records for here in the US, but can't > seem to find the corresponding record in the Azores passport records, as I > have in the past. > > > > The person in question is Maria Julia Borges (Maiden name Desouza or > Souza though not in the record) age 32-34 who is traveling with son Julio > > > > Age 3-5. On the US Immigration record it says they left from São Miguel, > June 18th 1905 and arrived in the port of New Bedford, July 1st, 1905. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. > > > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > I know that she was born in São Miguel in 1870 but I think she became was > naturalized around 1897 well at least her husband was. She seems to travel > back to São Miguel after her mother dies in 1904. My hope was that I could > find where she was from in the Passport records because my vavô who is > nearly 90 can't remember where on São Miguel his family
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Azores Passport Records.
On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 1:41:34 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: > I checked the American end...it says your Maria Julia and her son, Julio were > in America in 1904 (in New Bedford) and both are U.S. citizens. You may want > to check 1904. Looking at the council and freguesia column, you'd see just > America written in that column. > > > > > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:40 AM Cheri Mello wrote: > > > Hi Justin B, > > > Yes, they all had to register. The problem is, we don't know WHEN. So you > start looking at 18 June 1905 and work your way back in time on the > passaportes. > > > If you know the freguesia (village), it's easier to go down that column > looking for the council and freguesia than it is to look and every single > Maria. > > > Good luck, > > > > > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:38 AM Justin Brown wrote: > Was it mandatory for all people leaving the islands to "get a passport" or be > recorded. Even if it wasn't their first time departing the island. I ask > because I have the immigration records for here in the US, but can't seem to > find the corresponding record in the Azores passport records, as I have in > the past. > > The person in question is Maria Julia Borges (Maiden name Desouza or Souza > though not in the record) age 32-34 who is traveling with son Julio > > Age 3-5. On the US Immigration record it says they left from São Miguel, June > 18th 1905 and arrived in the port of New Bedford, July 1st, 1905. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. I know that she was born in São Miguel in 1870 but I think she became was naturalized around 1897 well at least her husband was. She seems to travel back to São Miguel after her mother dies in 1904. My hope was that I could find where she was from in the Passport records because my vavô who is nearly 90 can't remember where on São Miguel his family is from. Another question. Are the passport records just for outgoing people or did they record incoming people as well. Again thank you for the help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Azores Passport Records.
I checked the American end...it says your Maria Julia and her son, Julio were in America in 1904 (in New Bedford) and both are U.S. citizens. You may want to check 1904. Looking at the council and freguesia column, you'd see just America written in that column. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:40 AM Cheri Mello wrote: > Hi Justin B, > > Yes, they all had to register. The problem is, we don't know WHEN. So you > start looking at 18 June 1905 and work your way back in time on the > passaportes. > > If you know the freguesia (village), it's easier to go down that column > looking for the council and freguesia than it is to look and every single > Maria. > > Good luck, > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:38 AM Justin Brown > wrote: > >> Was it mandatory for all people leaving the islands to "get a passport" >> or be recorded. Even if it wasn't their first time departing the island. I >> ask because I have the immigration records for here in the US, but can't >> seem to find the corresponding record in the Azores passport records, as I >> have in the past. >> The person in question is Maria Julia Borges (Maiden name Desouza or >> Souza though not in the record) age 32-34 who is traveling with son Julio >> Age 3-5. On the US Immigration record it says they left from São Miguel, >> June 18th 1905 and arrived in the port of New Bedford, July 1st, 1905. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Azores passport records.
Yes. I have ancestors who registered and it said it was their 2nd or 3rd time. You have to start looking on June 18, 1905 and work backwards in time. You don't know if she registered 2 weeks before departure or a year before departure. If you know her freguesia (village), you could look down the council & freguesia column looking for that. It's much easier than looking at every Maria! Good luck, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:14 AM Justin Brown wrote: > Was it a requirement for all people departing the islands to "get a > passport" as in be recorded even if it wasn't their first time leaving. I > ask because I'm looking through the records and can't seem to find the > corresponding records to the US immigration records. The immigration > records for here in the US say Maria Julia Borges(maiden name Desouza or > Souza, though not in the record) departed from São Miguel on June 18th 1905 > with son Julio and arrived in New Bedford, Ma on July 1st 1905. But I can't > seem to find her name in the Passport records on São Miguel for that time. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Azores passport records.
Was it a requirement for all people departing the islands to "get a passport" as in be recorded even if it wasn't their first time leaving. I ask because I'm looking through the records and can't seem to find the corresponding records to the US immigration records. The immigration records for here in the US say Maria Julia Borges(maiden name Desouza or Souza, though not in the record) departed from São Miguel on June 18th 1905 with son Julio and arrived in New Bedford, Ma on July 1st 1905. But I can't seem to find her name in the Passport records on São Miguel for that time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Azores Passport Records.
Hi Justin B, Yes, they all had to register. The problem is, we don't know WHEN. So you start looking at 18 June 1905 and work your way back in time on the passaportes. If you know the freguesia (village), it's easier to go down that column looking for the council and freguesia than it is to look and every single Maria. Good luck, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:38 AM Justin Brown wrote: > Was it mandatory for all people leaving the islands to "get a passport" or > be recorded. Even if it wasn't their first time departing the island. I ask > because I have the immigration records for here in the US, but can't seem > to find the corresponding record in the Azores passport records, as I have > in the past. > The person in question is Maria Julia Borges (Maiden name Desouza or Souza > though not in the record) age 32-34 who is traveling with son Julio > Age 3-5. On the US Immigration record it says they left from São Miguel, > June 18th 1905 and arrived in the port of New Bedford, July 1st, 1905. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Azores Passport Records.
Was it mandatory for all people leaving the islands to "get a passport" or be recorded. Even if it wasn't their first time departing the island. I ask because I have the immigration records for here in the US, but can't seem to find the corresponding record in the Azores passport records, as I have in the past. The person in question is Maria Julia Borges (Maiden name Desouza or Souza though not in the record) age 32-34 who is traveling with son Julio Age 3-5. On the US Immigration record it says they left from São Miguel, June 18th 1905 and arrived in the port of New Bedford, July 1st, 1905. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
