Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase

[Margaret Vicente]

You're welcome, Nancy.  Hope you can find it.

Margaret

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 4:07 PM, nancy jean baptiste <
fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you Margaret. My mom gave my a very old photo of him.on the
> bottom of it it has his name, date of birth, 1823, death, 1906 and
> says"sailed on clipper ships".Perhaps I can find him coming into the
> U.S. prior to 1855.
>
>
> Nancy
>
>
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> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Margaret Vicente 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:57 PM
> *To:* azores
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase
>
> Nancy, all it says is that he was given dispensation for having been in
> the United States of America.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:57 PM, nancy jean baptiste <
> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm wondering WHY they mentioned that Manuel was in the U.S. prior to his
>> marriage? Does the record elaborate at all? Is there any info in this
>> record to indicate they might be cousinsbig age difference.17 and
>> 34. Did her parents give permissionany insights greatly appreciated!
>>
>>
>> Nancy Jean
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* nancy jean baptiste 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 9:42 PM
>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating a phrase.
>>
>>
>> Thank you everyone! I'll try to copy and paste the links in the
>> futurethanks Linda. Thanks Roseyn for the link!
>>
>>
>> I had no idea he had ever been in the states! Prior to 1855! Is there any
>> way to look for him? I have an obscure note from my mom on a picture of him
>> that he was a ship CaptainI've found him having numerous children in
>> Sao Jorge after this marriage so he didn't go back to the U.S.
>>
>>
>> Great insights...I appreciate all of your help!
>>
>>
>> Nancy Jean
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>> Hughes Roselyn 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:56 PM
>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating a phrase.
>>
>> Nancy, couldn't help you with the translation but here's the link.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P172.html
>>
>> Roselyn
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 5:14 PM, nancy jean baptiste <
>> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings all,
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sorry I'm not sure how to post the link. The record is Velas, Sao
>>> Jorge. Marriages for 1831-1860, page 0172. 1855 Begins bottom left for
>>> Manuel Silveira de Lemos, 34 and Anna Bernarda da Silveira,
>>>
>>> 17. On the right side it mentions something about Estados Unidos.can
>>> someone explain to me what's going on in this record?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Nancy Jean Baptista
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thank you Margaret. My mom gave my a very old photo of him.on the bottom of 
it it has his name, date of birth, 1823, death, 1906 and says"sailed on clipper 
ships".Perhaps I can find him coming into the U.S. prior to 1855.


Nancy



From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Margaret 
Vicente 
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:57 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase

Nancy, all it says is that he was given dispensation for having been in the 
United States of America.



On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:57 PM, nancy jean baptiste 
mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

I'm wondering WHY they mentioned that Manuel was in the U.S. prior to his 
marriage? Does the record elaborate at all? Is there any info in this record to 
indicate they might be cousinsbig age difference.17 and 34. Did her 
parents give permissionany insights greatly appreciated!


Nancy Jean



From: nancy jean baptiste 
mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 9:42 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating a phrase.


Thank you everyone! I'll try to copy and paste the links in the 
futurethanks Linda. Thanks Roseyn for the link!


I had no idea he had ever been in the states! Prior to 1855! Is there any way 
to look for him? I have an obscure note from my mom on a picture of him that he 
was a ship CaptainI've found him having numerous children in Sao Jorge 
after this marriage so he didn't go back to the U.S.


Great insights...I appreciate all of your help!


Nancy Jean



From: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Hughes 
Roselyn mailto:roselynhug...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:56 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating a phrase.

Nancy, couldn't help you with the translation but here's the link.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P172.html

Roselyn

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 5:14 PM, nancy jean baptiste 
mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Greetings all,


I'm sorry I'm not sure how to post the link. The record is Velas, Sao Jorge. 
Marriages for 1831-1860, page 0172. 1855 Begins bottom left for Manuel 
Silveira de Lemos, 34 and Anna Bernarda da Silveira,

17. On the right side it mentions something about Estados Unidos.can 
someone explain to me what's going on in this record?


Thank you,

Nancy Jean Baptista

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase

[Margaret Vicente]

Nancy, all it says is that he was given dispensation for having been in the
United States of America.



On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:57 PM, nancy jean baptiste <
fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'm wondering WHY they mentioned that Manuel was in the U.S. prior to his
> marriage? Does the record elaborate at all? Is there any info in this
> record to indicate they might be cousinsbig age difference.17 and
> 34. Did her parents give permissionany insights greatly appreciated!
>
>
> Nancy Jean
>
>
> --
> *From:* nancy jean baptiste 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 9:42 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating a phrase.
>
>
> Thank you everyone! I'll try to copy and paste the links in the
> futurethanks Linda. Thanks Roseyn for the link!
>
>
> I had no idea he had ever been in the states! Prior to 1855! Is there any
> way to look for him? I have an obscure note from my mom on a picture of him
> that he was a ship CaptainI've found him having numerous children in
> Sao Jorge after this marriage so he didn't go back to the U.S.
>
>
> Great insights...I appreciate all of your help!
>
>
> Nancy Jean
>
>
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Hughes Roselyn 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:56 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating a phrase.
>
> Nancy, couldn't help you with the translation but here's the link.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P172.html
>
> Roselyn
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 5:14 PM, nancy jean baptiste <
> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Greetings all,
>>
>>
>> I'm sorry I'm not sure how to post the link. The record is Velas, Sao
>> Jorge. Marriages for 1831-1860, page 0172. 1855 Begins bottom left for
>> Manuel Silveira de Lemos, 34 and Anna Bernarda da Silveira,
>>
>> 17. On the right side it mentions something about Estados Unidos.can
>> someone explain to me what's going on in this record?
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Nancy Jean Baptista
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase.

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thanks Bill!



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Cc: fishsongf...@hotmail.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase.

I don't see anything about a dispensation for consanguinity.  I think his 
travels were mentioned because that was the justification for his dispensation 
for not proving satisfaction of Lenten obligations.

You could try the Angra and/or Horta passaporte logs; but if he was a ship 
captain, passaportes may not apply.

I've seen under 25 marrying without permission being stated in the record 
before.  I assumed the parents' presence implied permission.  The one time I 
saw permission stated was when the maternal grandmother gave permission because 
both parents were deceased or absent (this was all stated in the record as I 
recall).

Bill Seidler

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase.

[bsei2816]

I don't see anything about a dispensation for consanguinity.  I think his 
travels were mentioned because that was the justification for his 
dispensation for not proving satisfaction of Lenten obligations.  

You could try the Angra and/or Horta passaporte logs; but if he was a ship 
captain, passaportes may not apply.  

I've seen under 25 marrying without permission being stated in the record 
before.  I assumed the parents' presence implied permission.  The one time 
I saw permission stated was when the maternal grandmother gave permission 
because both parents were deceased or absent (this was all stated in the 
record as I recall).

Bill Seidler 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase

[nancy jean baptiste]

I'm wondering WHY they mentioned that Manuel was in the U.S. prior to his 
marriage? Does the record elaborate at all? Is there any info in this record to 
indicate they might be cousinsbig age difference.17 and 34. Did her 
parents give permissionany insights greatly appreciated!


Nancy Jean



From: nancy jean baptiste 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 9:42 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating a phrase.


Thank you everyone! I'll try to copy and paste the links in the 
futurethanks Linda. Thanks Roseyn for the link!


I had no idea he had ever been in the states! Prior to 1855! Is there any way 
to look for him? I have an obscure note from my mom on a picture of him that he 
was a ship CaptainI've found him having numerous children in Sao Jorge 
after this marriage so he didn't go back to the U.S.


Great insights...I appreciate all of your help!


Nancy Jean



From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Hughes 
Roselyn 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 7:56 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating a phrase.

Nancy, couldn't help you with the translation but here's the link.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P172.html

Roselyn

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 5:14 PM, nancy jean baptiste 
mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Greetings all,


I'm sorry I'm not sure how to post the link. The record is Velas, Sao Jorge. 
Marriages for 1831-1860, page 0172. 1855 Begins bottom left for Manuel 
Silveira de Lemos, 34 and Anna Bernarda da Silveira,

17. On the right side it mentions something about Estados Unidos.can 
someone explain to me what's going on in this record?


Thank you,

Nancy Jean Baptista

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase.

[Hermano C. Pires]

Before this date he had been in the U. S.
Hermano
 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 18:08:07 -0800
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CC: fishsongf...@hotmail.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase.


Here's the link:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P172.html


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Position your cursor at the beginning of the site/page address in your web 
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Left click, hold and drag your mouse to the end of the address. When you let go 
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Move the cursor over the highlighted text and right click on it.
Choose "Copy" from the menu that pops up.
Change to the page or document (or wherever) and position your cursor where you 
want the copy to go
Right click the mouse and choose "Paste"

That's it!  Easy-peasy :)

It looks to me like the record is stating that the bride fulfilled her Lenten 
obligations there, but the groom was given dispensation because he was in the 
USA.

Linda

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Greetings all,





I'm sorry I'm not sure how to post the link. The record is Velas, Sao Jorge. 
Marriages for 1831-1860, page 0172. 1855 Begins bottom left for Manuel 
Silveira de Lemos, 34 and Anna Bernarda da Silveira,

17. On the right side it mentions something about Estados Unidos.can 
someone explain to me what's going on in this record?





Thank you,

Nancy Jean Baptista









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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating a phrase.

[linda]

Here's the link:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860/SJR-VL-VELAS-C-1831-1860_item1/P172.html


Here's one way to add links (if you're using a PC-- Apple products might 
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Position your cursor at the beginning of the site/page address in your web 
browser.
Left click, hold and drag your mouse to the end of the address. When you 
let go of the mouse button, the text should remain highlighted.
Move the cursor over the highlighted text and right click on it.
Choose "Copy" from the menu that pops up.
Change to the page or document (or wherever) and position your cursor where 
you want the copy to go
Right click the mouse and choose "Paste"

That's it!  Easy-peasy :)

It looks to me like the record is stating that the bride fulfilled her 
Lenten obligations there, but the groom was given dispensation because he 
was in the USA.

Linda

On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 at 5:14:20 PM UTC-8, nancy jean baptiste 
wrote:
>
> Greetings all,
>
>
> I'm sorry I'm not sure how to post the link. The record is Velas, Sao 
> Jorge. Marriages for 1831-1860, page 0172. 1855 Begins bottom left for 
> Manuel Silveira de Lemos, 34 and Anna Bernarda da Silveira,
>
> 17. On the right side it mentions something about Estados Unidos.can 
> someone explain to me what's going on in this record?
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Nancy Jean Baptista
>

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