[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Horta Record Office and Whaling
Please don't feel bad, Duane, because I doubt I'd have known this either, had my father and his sister not attended Uni. Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Katharine: I am ashamed of myself for not knowing this. I went there when it became Oakland City College, receiving an A.A. in 1963. Thank you. Cheers, Duane On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Katharine wrote: > Oakland's University High School (known affectionately as "Uni"): > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_High_School_%28Oakland,_California%29 > > In relevant part: > > "University High School served the northwestern portion of Oakland > California. It originally opened in 1923 at what was 5714 Grove > Street. The high school was closed following World War II in 1948. > > "In 1954, the campus was converted into first location of Oakland City > College, which later became Merritt College. Merritt College moved to > its new campus in 1967... the building remained vacant for several > years. At one point, it was used as the filming location for the 1987 > film The Principal. The location has been rehabilitated and is serving > as the north campus of the Children's Hospital and Research Center > Oakland. Grove Street was subsequently renamed Martin Luther King Jr. > Way. This site was added to the National Register of Historic Places > in 1992." > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Horta Record Office and Whaling
This MAY be the book I was thinking of. Bockstoce, John R. "Whales, ice, and men : the history of whaling in the western Arctic." Published jointly by the New Bedford Whaling Museum and the University of Washington Press (Seattle). Two editions. LC # q SH382 B63 1986 See: http://www.worldcat.org/title/whales-ice-and-men-the-history-of-whaling-in-the-western-arctic/oclc/12422060 (If your local library doesn't have it, you can probably check it out via Inter Library Loan). Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Oakland's University High School (known affectionately as "Uni"): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_High_School_%28Oakland,_California%29 In relevant part: "University High School served the northwestern portion of Oakland California. It originally opened in 1923 at what was 5714 Grove Street. The high school was closed following World War II in 1948. "In 1954, the campus was converted into first location of Oakland City College, which later became Merritt College. Merritt College moved to its new campus in 1967... the building remained vacant for several years. At one point, it was used as the filming location for the 1987 film The Principal. The location has been rehabilitated and is serving as the north campus of the Children's Hospital and Research Center Oakland. Grove Street was subsequently renamed Martin Luther King Jr. Way. This site was added to the National Register of Historic Places in 1992." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Can't recall if the book I read is one of the references on this page, but it might be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_Disaster_of_1871 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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I'm curious about "Oakland's legendary University HS." Where and what is the school you are referring to? I am from Oakland and never heard of it. Thank you. Cheers, Duane On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Katharine wrote: > Hey John (V & F) and everyone else > > The coincidences just keep piling up! I attended high school with two > of Henry Miller's descendants (family hailed from Gustine), and even > college with one. Their mom (married into the Miller clan) > coincidentally attended Oakland's legendary University HS with my dad, > so probably knew he was of Portuguese descent (even though I didn't!). > > More relevantly to this forum, when I was quite little my mother told > me a story about a sailor who transited the Cape and sailed up to > Alaska in the 1800s -- I wasn't sure who back then, but now realize it > must've been my great-grandfather Noronha, who'd regaled his > grandchildren (including my dad) with tales of his seafaring > adventures. Just like your family's story, the protagonist was on a > "ship [that] went around the horn and up into Alaskan waters in search > of whale. They apparently were caught in in the ' big freeze' of the > early 1870's when many whaling ships were caught in the freezing > ice." I've seen a book re Alaska whaling that recounts this freeze of > 1871 -- will see if I can locate the WorldCat listing for it, so you > or anyone else interested can check it out (perhaps via Inter Library > Loan). > > While there's no way of knowing how much my great-grandfather might > have embellished his stories for his grandchildren's consumption, my > mother -- who never knew him, so was repeating only what she'd been > told by my dad and/or his other relatives -- said that he further > claimed his ship was iced in all winter with nothing but weevil-y > hardtack in their stores for the men to eat. > > She also said he claimed to have made ship's captain at the tender age > of 21 (have never found evidence of this yet, which of course proves > nothing one way or the other), owing to his linguistic proficiency in > 7 languages, including Russian and Chinese (curiously, however, > Portuguese was never mentioned (LOL!)) -- although even in old age my > dad and his sister could, between the two of them, count to 10 > correctly in Chinese! -- and that at least once the man risked his > life by insisting all his crew evacuate a sinking ship safely first > before he'd leave. Re Cape Horn, she said that he related having had > to climb a mast during a fierce storm there, and that other men fell > to their deaths that way there. > > More later. Katharine. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Thanks, Mike! My great-grandfather was born in December 1843 in Topo, São Jorge, and reportedly left in 1864 -- small world! I'm sure he must have passed through SF during his seafaring career, as he, his wife and daughter (my paternal grandmother, b. 1874 in Ponta da Fajã Grande, Flores) were living in the North Bay by the time of the 1880 US Census. Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Horta Record Office and Whaling
Hey John (V & F) and everyone else The coincidences just keep piling up! I attended high school with two of Henry Miller's descendants (family hailed from Gustine), and even college with one. Their mom (married into the Miller clan) coincidentally attended Oakland's legendary University HS with my dad, so probably knew he was of Portuguese descent (even though I didn't!). More relevantly to this forum, when I was quite little my mother told me a story about a sailor who transited the Cape and sailed up to Alaska in the 1800s -- I wasn't sure who back then, but now realize it must've been my great-grandfather Noronha, who'd regaled his grandchildren (including my dad) with tales of his seafaring adventures. Just like your family's story, the protagonist was on a "ship [that] went around the horn and up into Alaskan waters in search of whale. They apparently were caught in in the ' big freeze' of the early 1870's when many whaling ships were caught in the freezing ice." I've seen a book re Alaska whaling that recounts this freeze of 1871 -- will see if I can locate the WorldCat listing for it, so you or anyone else interested can check it out (perhaps via Inter Library Loan). While there's no way of knowing how much my great-grandfather might have embellished his stories for his grandchildren's consumption, my mother -- who never knew him, so was repeating only what she'd been told by my dad and/or his other relatives -- said that he further claimed his ship was iced in all winter with nothing but weevil-y hardtack in their stores for the men to eat. She also said he claimed to have made ship's captain at the tender age of 21 (have never found evidence of this yet, which of course proves nothing one way or the other), owing to his linguistic proficiency in 7 languages, including Russian and Chinese (curiously, however, Portuguese was never mentioned (LOL!)) -- although even in old age my dad and his sister could, between the two of them, count to 10 correctly in Chinese! -- and that at least once the man risked his life by insisting all his crew evacuate a sinking ship safely first before he'd leave. Re Cape Horn, she said that he related having had to climb a mast during a fierce storm there, and that other men fell to their deaths that way there. More later. Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Hi cousin Kathie, Not only do you and I keep missing each other, It appears that your great grandfather Noronha and my maternal Grandfather Jose Joaquim de Freitas (who was born in Fajazinha) may have started what may be a family tradition (of just missing each other). According to family lore (most of which I heard from my mother's brother Jose Joaquim de Freitas, Jr aka Uncle Joe), my grandfather left Flores in about 1869 at the age of 17 on a whaling ship which anchored off Flores to recruit crew. According to "Uncle Joe", my grandfather's ship went around the horn and up into Alaskan waters in search of whale. They apparently were caught in in the "big freeze" of the early 1870's when many whaling ships were caught in the freezing ice and in some cases crushed with all hands aboard My grand fathers ship was fortunate, in that although they were frozen in for a time, a "chinook" (a warming wind) came up and the ice broke up allowing them to escape.* Cousin John Freitas*, if you recall any stories your father told that would add to this or conflict with this, please chime in. According to the story, my (and John Freitas') grandfather left the whaling ship at some point and after working in San Francisco for some time, headed up to Sonora to work in the gold country. Somewhere I have documentation that he got his American Citizenship in Sonora about 1872, but I can't put my finger on it. To make a long story shorter, being a gold miner wasn't his thing and he eventually got a job as a sheepherder in the San Joaquin Valley working for Henry Miller of Miller and Lux, but thAt is another story Rgards, Cuz John. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Katharine wrote: > According to his obit, re my great-grandfather Manuel Noronha (b. 1843 > on São Jorge)... [From Massachusetts] "in 1869 he shipped shortly > after for San Francisco and arrived there [again???] in 1872 after > having been in Australia, New Zealand, and around Cape Horn twice, > South Sea Islands, Hawaiian Islands and Guam." > > Nowhere in his obit is whaling mentioned, but I wonder: Does this > correspond to typical whaling itineraries? According to family lore > he also sailed up to Alaska, including through the Bering Strait. > Would appreciate any clues that members can provide re the 1860s-70s > whaling life (I know that he'd settled in California before the 1880 > US Census). > > Katharine. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Katherine, I couldn't help but related to your message. My grandfather Joao Pereira Pires (b.1845 Beira, Sao Jorge) arrived in San Francisco sometime in the late 1860s after first going to sea, He supposed arrived in Hawaii on a "banana boat." By 1872 he was among the first 1,700 registered voters of Portuguese descent in California, mining in Rough and Ready in Nevada County. He went by the name John Geniella, which is another story in itself. Unfortunately I can find no immigration, passport or any other records that could help tell this part of his story. Mike On Aug 31, 1:58 pm, Katharine wrote: > According to his obit, re my great-grandfather Manuel Noronha (b. 1843 > on São Jorge)... [From Massachusetts] "in 1869 he shipped shortly > after for San Francisco and arrived there [again???] in 1872 after > having been in Australia, New Zealand, and around Cape Horn twice, > South Sea Islands, Hawaiian Islands and Guam." > > Nowhere in his obit is whaling mentioned, but I wonder: Does this > correspond to typical whaling itineraries? According to family lore > he also sailed up to Alaska, including through the Bering Strait. > Would appreciate any clues that members can provide re the 1860s-70s > whaling life (I know that he'd settled in California before the 1880 > US Census). > > Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Thanks, "E"! Will check it out. Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Katherine, Yes, the might have sailed in these waters. If not on a whaling ship, then maybe on a trading ship. There are several online sites with interesting info and online reading. Here are a few: http://www.archive.org/stream/storyofnewenglan00speaiala/storyofnewenglan00speaiala_djvu.txt The Story of New England Whalers http://books.google.com/books?id=AO1BVmmS0jkC&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=whalers+azores+to+new+zealand&source=bl&ots=zPWqFA5rcr&sig=b4zrYs8ap60-Y4iST9OxqR3Ep74&hl=en#v=onepage&q=whalers%20azores%20to%20new%20zealand&f=false Azores by David Sayers http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tonyf/whale/whaling.html Whaling in Early New Zealand by Anthony G. Flude http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/ Mariners and Ships in Australian Waters. Transcribed from the State Records Authority of NSW Reels of the Shipping Master's Office, Inwards Passengers Lists . This lady is doing an excellent job and has an excellent search field. Quite a while back, I found more on this and posted it to the list. It was particularly about some of these journeys but I don't remember it. Maybe one of these days I will search the Archives for it. "E" -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Horta Record Office
According to his obit, re my great-grandfather Manuel Noronha (b. 1843 on São Jorge)... [From Massachusetts] "in 1869 he shipped shortly after for San Francisco and arrived there [again???] in 1872 after having been in Australia, New Zealand, and around Cape Horn twice, South Sea Islands, Hawaiian Islands and Guam." Nowhere in his obit is whaling mentioned, but I wonder: Does this correspond to typical whaling itineraries? According to family lore he also sailed up to Alaska, including through the Bering Strait. Would appreciate any clues that members can provide re the 1860s-70s whaling life (I know that he'd settled in California before the 1880 US Census). Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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*Somehow, my complete message did not get through.* Cheri, The book that I have is principally about Azoreans in American whaling (ie, Azoreans who got involved in American * whaling.) In the late 19th and early 20th century, many Azoreans became involved in American whaling. I think that the primary means by which this happened is that when American whalers came to the Azores, they would fill out their crews with young Azorean men eagar to escape to a better life who would sign on as crew members. Many would desert on the trip back and stay in the US. Among these was my mother's second cousin, Antonio Caetano Corvello who eventually became a whaling captain out of New Bedford. Some of the whalers, eventually went south around the horn into the Pacific to such places as New Zealand. The book that Cheri referenced (which incidentally was written by a cousin of mine, Joao Antonio Gomes Vieira) did not have any details about whaling in the South Pacific. John Vasconcelos * On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Jools, > > I think there's a book about Flores and whalers. I don't think it names > names. John Vasconcelos owns this book. So John, chime in here if that > book has any genealogy in it. > > You are going to have to learn to "read" the documents. Really, you'll be > picking out key words and piecing your genealogy together. Some samples can > be found on the Azores Genweb here: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/HowTo_Part_3a.html#reading > > You are also going to need the Portuguese Genealogy Word list. Although > it's actually housed on the Family Search web site, a link from the Azores > Genweb will take you there: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/portuguese_word_list1.html > > Also, it helps to study the paleography (handwriting). Again, it's housed > on Family Search, but a link from the Azores GenWeb can take you there: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/Paleography/paleography_01.html > > Faial has a few records online. They are in a computer database. Many > people have found errors. Nevertheless, it is a place to start. Again, you > can use the Azores Genweb that will take you out to the site: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/faial.html > > As a last resort, you can wait for the "passaportes" (emigration out of the > Azores) to come online, or you can hire a researcher to look for you. You > are lucky because if your ancestor sailed out of his home port of Horta on > Faial, you will probably find him. The port of Horta has records from > 1836-1939 with NO gaps!! Since 1856 they are indexed and give the towns or > parishes (freguesia) of birth. > > (And for those that want to know about the other 2 ports: > Angra: 1775-1818, 1844-1845, 1857-1924. > Ponta Delgada: 1875 May-1883 Oct; 1894 Nov - 1908 Oct; 1910 Jan-1920 Jan; > 1922 Sep-1939 Dec; 1950 Feb-1953 Mar. > All records before and in the gaps are missing. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, > Achada > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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On this Master Mariner list, is there also a Manuel Noronha (b. 1843) from São Jorge? He was my great-grandfather. Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Hello Cheri et al, I wonder if Jools from New Zealand can get in touch with me please as she has info regarding of a Francis Joseph who may be my Gt Grandfather. At least I hope he is related to me as my family has precious little info about him. I have as you know just started looking for my ancestor so Jools' info is of real interest to me. Thanks, Tony --- On Tue, 30/8/11, Cheri Mello wrote: From: Cheri Mello Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Horta Record Office To: "Azores Genealogy" Date: Tuesday, 30, August, 2011, 2:47 PM Repost for Jools:Hi Cheri (and others) I know his date of birth from a family bible and his Mster Mariner records. (31 August 1840) I know everything it is possible to know about him of his life in New Zealand, (he left the Azores when he was only 14) but the only record of his place of birth is given as Fayal, Western Isles. Else, he's generally just listed as from Portugal. He was known here as Emanuel DIAZ, and nick~named George. Variations of the spelling include, of course, DIAS and DEARS. He, himself, was illiterate. His only daughter was named Emilie/Emilia which may be a clue to his family, as his only son was named after his wife's family. The problem was... I couldn't read the dates in the parish registers, (and no~one could understand my request to even sort that out) so I had to guestimate where to start looking and where to stop looking. Page after page after page, hoping I'd not started too late or finished too soon... and no hide nor hair of him! Contemporaneously in NZ is Francis DIAZ of similar age whose Master Mariner's records cite him as coming from Peak Pike, LOL. I've presumed that's Pico. His son was named Manuel Joseph DIAZ, so we may have interconnecting families, but there are far less records for him here (and no family bible). And while I'm sharing the New Zealand links ~ another Azorean Master Mariner known as Francis JOSEPH is presumed to have come from Faja Grande, Flores. We have no idea of his real name, but we know he had family in USA during the West Coast Gold days, as Frank and his wife lived for many years at Gold Hill Nevada. She wrote amazing letters home but didn't actually name any of Frank's family, although she spoke of them being in San Francisco. There are quite a few Azorean descendants in New Zealand because of the whaling trade. Geographically, they would have felt at home here and many jumped ship and stayed. Jools -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Horta Record Office
Jools, I think there's a book about Flores and whalers. I don't think it names names. John Vasconcelos owns this book. So John, chime in here if that book has any genealogy in it. You are going to have to learn to "read" the documents. Really, you'll be picking out key words and piecing your genealogy together. Some samples can be found on the Azores Genweb here: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/HowTo_Part_3a.html#reading You are also going to need the Portuguese Genealogy Word list. Although it's actually housed on the Family Search web site, a link from the Azores Genweb will take you there: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/portuguese_word_list1.html Also, it helps to study the paleography (handwriting). Again, it's housed on Family Search, but a link from the Azores GenWeb can take you there: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/Paleography/paleography_01.html Faial has a few records online. They are in a computer database. Many people have found errors. Nevertheless, it is a place to start. Again, you can use the Azores Genweb that will take you out to the site: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/faial.html As a last resort, you can wait for the "passaportes" (emigration out of the Azores) to come online, or you can hire a researcher to look for you. You are lucky because if your ancestor sailed out of his home port of Horta on Faial, you will probably find him. The port of Horta has records from 1836-1939 with NO gaps!! Since 1856 they are indexed and give the towns or parishes (freguesia) of birth. (And for those that want to know about the other 2 ports: Angra: 1775-1818, 1844-1845, 1857-1924. Ponta Delgada: 1875 May-1883 Oct; 1894 Nov - 1908 Oct; 1910 Jan-1920 Jan; 1922 Sep-1939 Dec; 1950 Feb-1953 Mar. All records before and in the gaps are missing. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Horta Record Office
Repost for Jools:Hi Cheri (and others) I know his date of birth from a family bible and his Mster Mariner records. (31 August 1840) I know everything it is possible to know about him of his life in New Zealand, (he left the Azores when he was only 14) but the only record of his place of birth is given as Fayal, Western Isles. Else, he's generally just listed as from Portugal. He was known here as Emanuel DIAZ, and nick~named George. Variations of the spelling include, of course, DIAS and DEARS. He, himself, was illiterate. His only daughter was named Emilie/Emilia which may be a clue to his family, as his only son was named after his wife's family. The problem was... I couldn't read the dates in the parish registers, (and no~one could understand my request to even sort that out) so I had to guestimate where to start looking and where to stop looking. Page after page after page, hoping I'd not started too late or finished too soon... and no hide nor hair of him! Contemporaneously in NZ is Francis DIAZ of similar age whose Master Mariner's records cite him as coming from Peak Pike, LOL. I've presumed that's Pico. His son was named Manuel Joseph DIAZ, so we may have interconnecting families, but there are far less records for him here (and no family bible). And while I'm sharing the New Zealand links ~ another Azorean Master Mariner known as Francis JOSEPH is presumed to have come from Faja Grande, Flores. We have no idea of his real name, but we know he had family in USA during the West Coast Gold days, as Frank and his wife lived for many years at Gold Hill Nevada. She wrote amazing letters home but didn't actually name any of Frank's family, although she spoke of them being in San Francisco. There are quite a few Azorean descendants in New Zealand because of the whaling trade. Geographically, they would have felt at home here and many jumped ship and stayed. Jools -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Horta Record Office
"I was there in July of last year." Jools, that's the highest of the high tourist season in the Azores, so I imagine the Library/Archives staff had many more international patrons than in the off-season researching their genealogies (compounded with perhaps more staff on summer vacation than in the off- season). Obviously I don't know your schedule, but my personal preference would be to go in May-early June or mid September-late October -- as the weather would be nice but the crowds far less, as well as lodgings somewhat lower-priced. I second Cheri's observation about looking at a range of birth-dates in vital records, as emigrants sometimes gave the wrong years in later life (or maybe didn't even know their exact birth-dates). E.g., one of my great-grandfathers turned out to be a year older than he said (although same birthday), while Grandpa was (apparently) two years younger and had a different birthday (although I'm almost certain that the man I found in the records was not a different person, given how tiny Flores is). Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Horta Record Office
Re accommodations on São Jorge: The only major tourist hotel on the island is the aptly-named Hotel São Jorge, in the main town of Velas. I've stayed there 4 times in the past 9 years, and have always been made to feel welcome both there and in town (even received a complimentary fresh fruit basket in Oct. 2009). The Hotel São Jorge includes a substantial complimentary buffet breakfast in its rates, but serves no other meals -- so you have to shlep into the center of town for lunch or dinner (there are both snack bars and restaurants), or food from a market to bring back to eat in your room. Every room has a balcony and faces the channel so that, on a clear day, you can see soaring Mt. Pico across the way. You can book your reservation for Hotel São Jorge online. There's also at least one residencial in Velas, as well as a relatively new residencial up the coast in Calheta -- although I've not stayed at either of them and can't recall their names, but I'm sure you could search for them online using "residencial" and the name of the town. Best of luck, Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Horta Record Office
Hi Jools, Re accommodations in Horta: Tastes and budgets vary, but I like the Pousada Santa Cruz (a/k/a Estalagem Santa Cruz) -- an historic old fort at the waterfront that's been renovated into a modern inn. Their rates depend on several factors, including: a) Season -- mid-summer is priciest, of course; b) Days of the week, and length of stay -- Sun.-Thu. nights are cheaper, although that's when someone going to the Archives would want to be there anyhow; and, c) Your age -- 40% senior citizen discount Sun.-Thu. for guests age 55+. See more info, and link to "Enquiry form" at: http://portugal-info.net/pousadas/horta.htm I've also stayed at the Hotel Fayal [sic], which is located farther from the Archives (ca. 1 mile), above the marina and Peter Café Sport. It's much larger, more like a tourist hotel (there are a few others in Horta as well, although I've not stayed at them). Both Pousada Santa Cruz and Hotel Fayal include a substantial complimentary breakfast in their rates, so I make that my main meal of the day -- our mothers would want us to, anyway ;-))) If you go in April or May, just make sure it isn't during the Peter Café Sport-sponsored Triathlon, which brings an influx of out-of- season tourists for a long weekend. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
