Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel
Thanks for the correction. I just know that this happened to my grandfather, his brother and uncle. Looking for work, they decided to hang around the dock to see if there was any day work. They helped unload a ship's cargo and the Captain was so pleased with their work he asked them to come to Santa Maria to help unload and load the ship then he would bring them back again on Terceira to unload and load the ship there. Eager for work they quickly agreed. Once they arrived at Santa Maria they found out that the ship was being redirected to New York then back to Santa Maria then Terceira. The Captain said they could stay in Santa Maria and he would pick them up on his way back or they could come with him to New York. Once again thankful for the work they eagerly agreed and with the ship. Once in New York the dock workers were on strike so they were unable to unload the cargo. So there they were stuck in the harbor on a ship without any work to do. Their uncle suggested instead of sitting on the ship that they go to Hanford, California. They jumped ship and caught a freight train. A week later they were in Hanford. A man came by looking for sheep herders and offered them work...they said yes. So with this family story I can see that cargo ships did stop by various islands and people working on these ships may have ended up on a different island in need of a ride home. This is what gave me the idea. Once again that you for correcting the record. D -Original Message- >From: Dano >Sent: Mar 11, 2014 1:54 PM >To: azores@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel > >Rondo, that's not the history of the Azores - Azoreans didn't travel anywhere >unless there was an absolute need to. Their lives weren't much above >subsistence level, so, they weren't into sightseeing, they were into survival. > >-- >For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) >mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right >that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." >--- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >"Azores Genealogy" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel
Rondo, that's not the history of the Azores - Azoreans didn't travel anywhere unless there was an absolute need to. Their lives weren't much above subsistence level, so, they weren't into sightseeing, they were into survival. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel
Thank you all very much for your posts in reply! Candice On Sunday, March 9, 2014 10:00:38 PM UTC-4, Candice Kiss wrote: > Hello! > > Wondering, please, if someone might be able to help me locate manifests > for two ships arriving from Sao Miguel as follows: > > June 6, 1899 - New York > March 22, 1904 - Boston > > Thank you very much for your help! > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel
I have no proof of the following but it is just a suggestion: If the ship picked up people from the islands in the same order every time then inter-island traveling would be impossible without going to the final destination (making the whole round trip). If they reverse their order on the return trip them could pick up passengers/goods (as room allowed) just traveling from one island to another without making the whole trip to the USA, Brazil, etc. This is just a theory. -Original Message- >From: Dano >Sent: Mar 10, 2014 10:24 AM >To: azores@googlegroups.com >Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel > >The more stops the ship made probably likened it more to purgatory for the >passengers, than a sightseeing trip. Most Azorians were not wealthy and so >were berthed in steerage. Anyone that travelled that way would probably tell >you that it was chaotic with entire families packed in to small quarters. >Depending on the timeframe and the ship they travelled on, they may not have >even been allowed on deck. The Peninsular was mainly a passenger ship which >likely only carried cargo incidental to the voyage. So, it was more likely >that the reason for the stops at the various islands was to pick up more >passengers - somewhat akin to a train that stops at every small town on the >way to its ultimate destination. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking with >it :) > >-- >For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) >mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right >that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." >--- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >"Azores Genealogy" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel
My ancestor immigrated in 1903 on the Peninsular. He told his son about it. He said it was terrible down there. Seasick people and it really smelled. Not pleasant at all. And it took 2 weeks! I can't remember if I read about the regulations in Michael C. Tepper's "American Passenger Arrival Records" or John P. Colleta's "They Came in Ships." Things changed over time. Part of that was due to the fact that America didn't want people dying trying to get to America. So some regulations helped steerage. Then they got worried about poor, deaf, blind, you name it. They didn't want people who would be a burden on society. That's why some of the questions seem so odd. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Dano wrote: > The more stops the ship made probably likened it more to purgatory for the > passengers, than a sightseeing trip. Most Azorians were not wealthy and so > were berthed in steerage. Anyone that travelled that way would probably > tell you that it was chaotic with entire families packed in to small > quarters. Depending on the timeframe and the ship they travelled on, they > may not have even been allowed on deck. The Peninsular was mainly a > passenger ship which likely only carried cargo incidental to the voyage. > So, it was more likely that the reason for the stops at the various islands > was to pick up more passengers - somewhat akin to a train that stops at > every small town on the way to its ultimate destination. Anyway, that's my > story and I'm sticking with it :) > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel
The more stops the ship made probably likened it more to purgatory for the passengers, than a sightseeing trip. Most Azorians were not wealthy and so were berthed in steerage. Anyone that travelled that way would probably tell you that it was chaotic with entire families packed in to small quarters. Depending on the timeframe and the ship they travelled on, they may not have even been allowed on deck. The Peninsular was mainly a passenger ship which likely only carried cargo incidental to the voyage. So, it was more likely that the reason for the stops at the various islands was to pick up more passengers - somewhat akin to a train that stops at every small town on the way to its ultimate destination. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking with it :) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel
Just a guess, but perhaps it was because they also picked up some materials to take from Horta to Angra.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel From: Aaron Pereira <pereirah...@gmail.com> Date: Mon, March 10, 2014 1:02 am To: azores@googlegroups.com Hello,SS Peninsular, sailed from Sao Miguel, May 24th, 1899, then stopped at Faial Island, May 25th (they spelled it Fayal), next stop was Terceira, May 26th, then Flores May 29th, and finally on to New York, June 6ththat must've been a nice trip, even better if you had boarded in Sao Miguel. I'm not sure how well traveled your everyday Azorean citizen was (during this time period), but my guess is that for many, this must have been the first time they went to the other islands, especially Flores. Maybe an Azorean historian can enlighten us on this topicalso, can someone explain why the ship went to Faial then to Terceira, and not the other way around? I'm sure they had their reasons, but, just from looking at a map, it would seem counterintuitive to go from Fail, then back to Terceira, then to Flores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel
Hello, SS Peninsular, sailed from Sao Miguel, May 24th, 1899, then stopped at Faial Island, May 25th (they spelled it Fayal), next stop was Terceira, May 26th, then Flores May 29th, and finally on to New York, June 6ththat must've been a nice trip, even better if you had boarded in Sao Miguel. I'm not sure how well traveled your everyday Azorean citizen was (during this time period), but my guess is that for many, this must have been the first time they went to the other islands, especially Flores. Maybe an Azorean historian can enlighten us on this topicalso, can someone explain why the ship went to Faial then to Terceira, and not the other way around? I'm sure they had their reasons, but, just from looking at a map, it would seem counterintuitive to go from Fail, then back to Terceira, then to Flores. >Hello, > > SS Republic, from St Michael's (March 15th, 1904), to Boston, March 22nd, > 1904.. > > the passenger manifest is 8 pages long, and exceeds the upload limit of > this group. you can email me, pereirah...@gmail.com or, Ancestry.com > has the list, select individual port of arrivals, month and year. > > the document is 325 pages long, and the SS Reublic list is on page 170, > and pages 229-235. I guess they mistakenly categorized page 170. > > > On Sunday, March 9, 2014 7:00:38 PM UTC-7, Candice Kiss wrote: >> >> Hello! >> >> Wondering, please, if someone might be able to help me locate manifests >> for two ships arriving from Sao Miguel as follows: >> >> June 6, 1899 - New York >> March 22, 1904 - Boston >> >> Thank you very much for your help! >> > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel
. < Hello, SS Republic, from St Michael's (March 15th, 1904), to Boston, March 22nd, 1904.. the passenger manifest is 8 pages long, and exceeds the upload limit of this group. you can email me, pereirah...@gmail.com or, Ancestry.com has the list, select individual port of arrivals, month and year. the document is 325 pages long, and the SS Reublic list is on page 170, and pages 229-235. I guess they mistakenly categorized page 170. On Sunday, March 9, 2014 7:00:38 PM UTC-7, Candice Kiss wrote: > > Hello! > > Wondering, please, if someone might be able to help me locate manifests > for two ships arriving from Sao Miguel as follows: > > June 6, 1899 - New York > March 22, 1904 - Boston > > Thank you very much for your help! > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
