Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Why migrate to the Azores?

2015-10-16 Thread Steve Peters 
On Thursday, October 15, 2015 at 4:32:51 AM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote:

Are you the guy with the Azorean music blog?
>

Yes, that's me. It's mostly about a big music project of my own that I've 
been working on, but there are a number of posts about Azorean music.

http://spmrhouse.blogspot.com/

SP

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Why migrate to the Azores?

2015-10-15 Thread luiznoia . 
Steve,

Are you the guy with the Azorean music blog?

Eric edgar

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 12:21 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> Steve Peters,
>
> I'm certain this is your guy.
>
> 
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857_item1/P50.html
>
> Caetano , son of Joao de Freitas and Catherina de Jesus,
>  paternos Manuel de Freitas and Maria Jose,
>  maternos Jose Pimentel and Maria de Jesus
>   baptised 8 April 1845
>   Nossa Semhora do Conceicao, Santa Cruz, Flores
>
> parents marriage record:
>
> João de Freitas [n. Fajãzinha, Lajes das Flores, f.º de Manuel de Freitas
> e de Maria José] c. 1817.05.29 c. Catarina de Jesus [f.ª de João Pimentel
> (ilegível) e de Maria de Jesus].
>
> Paternos marriage record isn't found in Fajazinha or anywhere  else with
> those names.
>
> it may be this one from Fajazinha:
>
> Manuel de Freitas [f.º de Domingos de Freitas da Assomada e de Maria
> de Freitas, e já v.º de Joana Pimentel, f.ª de Manuel de Fraga Mendonça
> e de Maria Pimentel] c. 1782.06.11 c. Maria Josefa [n. Fajã Grande, Lajes
> das Flores, f.ª de Francisco José e de Esperança de Freitas].
>
>
> Maternos marriage record will be hard to find. Those names are just to
> common in Santa Cruz.
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
>> That's right Steve, there some regional legislation, as well as different
>> taxing % on goods.
>>
>> 2015-09-24 15:04 GMT+01:00 Steve Peters :
>>
>>> Very interesting post, David. I knew some of that, but there's a lot of
>>> new info in there. Thanks. I still don't totally understand how
>>> "autonomous" the Azores government is from Portugal. In what ways is that
>>> autonomy enacted in the present day? Or is this something similar to State
>>> government as opposed to Federal in the US?
>>>
>>> Also, I notice you are researching Freitas on Flores. My gg-grandfather
>>> was Caetano Freitas from Flores (not sure what freguesia), came to US in
>>> 1865 and lived/died in Avila Beach, CA area. Haven't been able to trace him
>>> back to the island yet.
>>>
>>> Steve
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Why migrate to the Azores?

2015-10-15 Thread Ângela Loura 
Yes he is. Search for topic "Azorean music research"

2015-10-14 2:11 GMT+01:00 luiznoia . :

> Steve,
>
> Are you the guy with the Azorean music blog?
>
> Eric edgar
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 12:21 PM, luiznoia . 
> wrote:
>
>> Steve Peters,
>>
>> I'm certain this is your guy.
>>
>> 
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857_item1/P50.html
>>
>> Caetano , son of Joao de Freitas and Catherina de Jesus,
>>  paternos Manuel de Freitas and Maria Jose,
>>  maternos Jose Pimentel and Maria de Jesus
>>   baptised 8 April 1845
>>   Nossa Semhora do Conceicao, Santa Cruz, Flores
>>
>> parents marriage record:
>>
>> João de Freitas [n. Fajãzinha, Lajes das Flores, f.º de Manuel de Freitas
>> e de Maria José] c. 1817.05.29 c. Catarina de Jesus [f.ª de João Pimentel
>> (ilegível) e de Maria de Jesus].
>>
>> Paternos marriage record isn't found in Fajazinha or anywhere  else with
>> those names.
>>
>> it may be this one from Fajazinha:
>>
>> Manuel de Freitas [f.º de Domingos de Freitas da Assomada e de Maria
>> de Freitas, e já v.º de Joana Pimentel, f.ª de Manuel de Fraga Mendonça
>> e de Maria Pimentel] c. 1782.06.11 c. Maria Josefa [n. Fajã Grande, Lajes
>> das Flores, f.ª de Francisco José e de Esperança de Freitas].
>>
>>
>> Maternos marriage record will be hard to find. Those names are just to
>> common in Santa Cruz.
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Ângela Loura 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's right Steve, there some regional legislation, as well as
>>> different taxing % on goods.
>>>
>>> 2015-09-24 15:04 GMT+01:00 Steve Peters :
>>>
 Very interesting post, David. I knew some of that, but there's a lot of
 new info in there. Thanks. I still don't totally understand how
 "autonomous" the Azores government is from Portugal. In what ways is that
 autonomy enacted in the present day? Or is this something similar to State
 government as opposed to Federal in the US?

 Also, I notice you are researching Freitas on Flores. My gg-grandfather
 was Caetano Freitas from Flores (not sure what freguesia), came to US in
 1865 and lived/died in Avila Beach, CA area. Haven't been able to trace him
 back to the island yet.

 Steve

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Why migrate to the Azores?

2015-09-26 Thread luiznoia . 
Steve Peters,

I'm certain this is your guy.


http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857_item1/P50.html

Caetano , son of Joao de Freitas and Catherina de Jesus,
 paternos Manuel de Freitas and Maria Jose,
 maternos Jose Pimentel and Maria de Jesus
  baptised 8 April 1845
  Nossa Semhora do Conceicao, Santa Cruz, Flores

parents marriage record:

João de Freitas [n. Fajãzinha, Lajes das Flores, f.º de Manuel de Freitas
e de Maria José] c. 1817.05.29 c. Catarina de Jesus [f.ª de João Pimentel
(ilegível) e de Maria de Jesus].

Paternos marriage record isn't found in Fajazinha or anywhere  else with
those names.

it may be this one from Fajazinha:

Manuel de Freitas [f.º de Domingos de Freitas da Assomada e de Maria
de Freitas, e já v.º de Joana Pimentel, f.ª de Manuel de Fraga Mendonça
e de Maria Pimentel] c. 1782.06.11 c. Maria Josefa [n. Fajã Grande, Lajes
das Flores, f.ª de Francisco José e de Esperança de Freitas].


Maternos marriage record will be hard to find. Those names are just to
common in Santa Cruz.

Eric Edgar






On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Ângela Loura 
wrote:

> That's right Steve, there some regional legislation, as well as different
> taxing % on goods.
>
> 2015-09-24 15:04 GMT+01:00 Steve Peters :
>
>> Very interesting post, David. I knew some of that, but there's a lot of
>> new info in there. Thanks. I still don't totally understand how
>> "autonomous" the Azores government is from Portugal. In what ways is that
>> autonomy enacted in the present day? Or is this something similar to State
>> government as opposed to Federal in the US?
>>
>> Also, I notice you are researching Freitas on Flores. My gg-grandfather
>> was Caetano Freitas from Flores (not sure what freguesia), came to US in
>> 1865 and lived/died in Avila Beach, CA area. Haven't been able to trace him
>> back to the island yet.
>>
>> Steve
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Why migrate to the Azores?

2015-09-24 Thread David 
Obrigado, MaryAnn -- although I should correct one error I made (I blame 
the late hour and having just been writing about some other political 
leaders):  I referred to the "prime minister" of the Azores, but the chief 
executive, the Azorean head of government, is in fact termed the 
"president" (more fully, the "presidente do Governo Regional dos Açores," 
the "president of the Regional Government of the Azores").

David da Silva Cornell
Miami, FL
 
Researching the following surnames:

Faial - Terra (unknown freguesia(s))

Flores - Freitas, Lourenço, Coelho (unknown freguesia(s))

Pico - Silveira Cardoso, Macedo, Machado, Pereira Madruga, Ferreira, 
Cardoso, Cardoso Machado, Vieira, Bettencourt, Dutra, Castanho, Homem, 
Goulart, Quaresma, Moniz, Barreto, Silveira, Pereira, Álvares (all Lajes do 
Pico)

S. Jorge - Silva, Botelho, Azevedo, Cardoso (Urzelina); Silva, Azevedo, 
Cardoso (Santo António in Norte Grande)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Why migrate to the Azores?

2015-09-24 Thread 'Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy 
David,
Thank you for a great explanation about the capital of the Azores.  Off the 
subject, while pursuing my ancestry on Sao Miguel, I did run into a few 
Lourenco's in Vila Franca. I am not currently at home, but can send you the 
info if you are interested when I return in the next few days.
Lillian

On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 8:29:58 AM UTC-7, David wrote:
>
> The identity of the capital of the Azores is actually an interesting 
> question, with an answer different than most people expect, I think...
>
> The capital is neither Angra nor Ponta Delgada.  The Azores do not have an 
> official capital, even though nowadays Ponta Delgada is often called the 
> capital or assumed to be the capital (because the prime minister is based 
> there, and because it is by far the largest city and the major economic 
> center).
>
> The decision not to designate a city as the capital, made when the Azores 
> were granted autonomy in 1976, was (from what I have read) intentional.  
> Nations and regions that are composed of archipelagos or other collections 
> of islands are often especially susceptible to political disputes over 
> where to locate shared institutions, although that is also something even 
> non-island nations and regions experience...  It's just that collections of 
> islands often have even more heightened local identities and perceptions 
> that (unlike with areas of contiguous land) notions of shared identity get 
> disrupted by the sea.  
>
> This has been an issue that in previous generations held back the 
> development of a strong shared regional Azorean identity, as opposed to 
> being first a micaelense or picoense or corvino or faialense, etc -- 
> followed by being not "Azorean" but "Portuguese"...   (Another example of 
> this phenomenon with islands is the several attempts that were made to 
> bring the former British colonies in the Caribbean together into a single 
> federal state, such as the failed effort to bring the West Indies 
> Federation as a single unit to independence from Britain; strong separate 
> island identities and competition over dominance doomed that effort.)
>
> In any event, the decision was made to share instead of concentrating the 
> government in a single city, and to disperse among the Azores' three major 
> cities (each of which is on a different island) the locations of the key 
> governmental institutions of the new Autonomous Region.  Consequently, 
> since 1976, Ponta Delgada is where the prime minister and the rest of the 
> executive branch and agencies are based, but the judicial branch is 
> headquartered in Angra do Heroísmo and the Assembleia Legislativa, the 
> legislature, sits in Horta.
>
> Many on this list will of course immediately note that these three cities, 
> were also, prior to 1976, the seats of the three districts into which the 
> Azores were divided in 1836:  Ponta Delgada covered São Miguel and Santa 
> Maria; Angra covered Terceira, Graciosa, and São Jorge; and Horta covered 
> Faial, Pico, Flores, and Corvo.
>
> If I recall correctly, even before the 1836 creation of the districts no 
> city was ever officially designated as the "capital" of the Azores, 
> although the primary governmental and church institutions of the Azores 
> were (again, if I recall correctly) mostly (or all?) historically based in 
> Angra, e.g., a royal council, the bishop, etc.  Ponta Delgada was (as it is 
> to this day) the most populous city of the archipelago and the de facto 
> "business capital," but (at least according to what I have read) it was 
> Angra that traditionally hosted the top institutions of both church and 
> state.  (Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I am about the earlier 
> periods can fill out the description of the pre-1836 picture?)
>
> David da Silva Cornell
> Miami, FL
>
> Researching the following surnames:
>  
> Faial - Terra (unknown freguesia(s))
>  
> Flores - Freitas, Lourenço, Coelho (unknown freguesia(s))
>  
> Pico - Silveira Cardoso, Macedo, Machado, Pereira Madruga, Ferreira, 
> Cardoso, Cardoso Machado, Vieira, Bettencourt, Dutra, Castanho, Homem, 
> Goulart, Quaresma, Moniz, Barreto, Silveira, Pereira, Álvares (all Lajes 
> do 
> Pico)
>  
> S. Jorge - Silva, Botelho, Azevedo, Cardoso (Urzelina); Silva, Azevedo, 
> Cardoso (Santo António in Norte Grande)
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 12:22:30 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Many are signing with the cross, which pretty much looks like a +.
>>
>> The Azores were basically discovered from east to west. Yes, Santa Maria 
>> was the first (Wikipedia says 1439 was settlement) and Sao Miguel was the 
>> 1440s. Terceira was third (the translation of Terceira is Third). It was 
>> originally named Island of Jesus Christ, as it was discovered on Dec. 24th 
>> or 25th. As with any history coming from that time period, things weren't 
>> recorded and there are other theories on the name and discovery dates.
>>
>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Why migrate to the Azores?

2015-09-24 Thread Steve Peters 
Very interesting post, David. I knew some of that, but there's a lot of new 
info in there. Thanks. I still don't totally understand how "autonomous" 
the Azores government is from Portugal. In what ways is that autonomy 
enacted in the present day? Or is this something similar to State 
government as opposed to Federal in the US?

Also, I notice you are researching Freitas on Flores. My gg-grandfather was 
Caetano Freitas from Flores (not sure what freguesia), came to US in 1865 
and lived/died in Avila Beach, CA area. Haven't been able to trace him back 
to the island yet.

Steve

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Why migrate to the Azores?

2015-09-24 Thread Ângela Loura 
That's right Steve, there some regional legislation, as well as different
taxing % on goods.

2015-09-24 15:04 GMT+01:00 Steve Peters :

> Very interesting post, David. I knew some of that, but there's a lot of
> new info in there. Thanks. I still don't totally understand how
> "autonomous" the Azores government is from Portugal. In what ways is that
> autonomy enacted in the present day? Or is this something similar to State
> government as opposed to Federal in the US?
>
> Also, I notice you are researching Freitas on Flores. My gg-grandfather
> was Caetano Freitas from Flores (not sure what freguesia), came to US in
> 1865 and lived/died in Avila Beach, CA area. Haven't been able to trace him
> back to the island yet.
>
> Steve
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Why migrate to the Azores?

2015-09-23 Thread David 
The identity of the capital of the Azores is actually an interesting 
question, with an answer different than most people expect, I think...

The capital is neither Angra nor Ponta Delgada.  The Azores do not have an 
official capital, even though nowadays Ponta Delgada is often called the 
capital or assumed to be the capital (because the prime minister is based 
there, and because it is by far the largest city and the major economic 
center).

The decision not to designate a city as the capital, made when the Azores 
were granted autonomy in 1976, was (from what I have read) intentional.  
Nations and regions that are composed of archipelagos or other collections 
of islands are often especially susceptible to political disputes over 
where to locate shared institutions, although that is also something even 
non-island nations and regions experience...  It's just that collections of 
islands often have even more heightened local identities and perceptions 
that (unlike with areas of contiguous land) notions of shared identity get 
disrupted by the sea.  

This has been an issue that in previous generations held back the 
development of a strong shared regional Azorean identity, as opposed to 
being first a micaelense or picoense or corvino or faialense, etc -- 
followed by being not "Azorean" but "Portuguese"...   (Another example of 
this phenomenon with islands is the several attempts that were made to 
bring the former British colonies in the Caribbean together into a single 
federal state, such as the failed effort to bring the West Indies 
Federation as a single unit to independence from Britain; strong separate 
island identities and competition over dominance doomed that effort.)

In any event, the decision was made to share instead of concentrating the 
government in a single city, and to disperse among the Azores' three major 
cities (each of which is on a different island) the locations of the key 
governmental institutions of the new Autonomous Region.  Consequently, 
since 1976, Ponta Delgada is where the prime minister and the rest of the 
executive branch and agencies are based, but the judicial branch is 
headquartered in Angra do Heroísmo and the Assembleia Legislativa, the 
legislature, sits in Horta.

Many on this list will of course immediately note that these three cities, 
were also, prior to 1976, the seats of the three districts into which the 
Azores were divided in 1836:  Ponta Delgada covered São Miguel and Santa 
Maria; Angra covered Terceira, Graciosa, and São Jorge; and Horta covered 
Faial, Pico, Flores, and Corvo.

If I recall correctly, even before the 1836 creation of the districts no 
city was ever officially designated as the "capital" of the Azores, 
although the primary governmental and church institutions of the Azores 
were (again, if I recall correctly) mostly (or all?) historically based in 
Angra, e.g., a royal council, the bishop, etc.  Ponta Delgada was (as it is 
to this day) the most populous city of the archipelago and the de facto 
"business capital," but (at least according to what I have read) it was 
Angra that traditionally hosted the top institutions of both church and 
state.  (Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I am about the earlier 
periods can fill out the description of the pre-1836 picture?)

David da Silva Cornell
Miami, FL

Researching the following surnames:
 
Faial - Terra (unknown freguesia(s))
 
Flores - Freitas, Lourenço, Coelho (unknown freguesia(s))
 
Pico - Silveira Cardoso, Macedo, Machado, Pereira Madruga, Ferreira, 
Cardoso, Cardoso Machado, Vieira, Bettencourt, Dutra, Castanho, Homem, 
Goulart, Quaresma, Moniz, Barreto, Silveira, Pereira, Álvares (all Lajes do 
Pico)
 
S. Jorge - Silva, Botelho, Azevedo, Cardoso (Urzelina); Silva, Azevedo, 
Cardoso (Santo António in Norte Grande)


On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 12:22:30 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Many are signing with the cross, which pretty much looks like a +.
>
> The Azores were basically discovered from east to west. Yes, Santa Maria 
> was the first (Wikipedia says 1439 was settlement) and Sao Miguel was the 
> 1440s. Terceira was third (the translation of Terceira is Third). It was 
> originally named Island of Jesus Christ, as it was discovered on Dec. 24th 
> or 25th. As with any history coming from that time period, things weren't 
> recorded and there are other theories on the name and discovery dates.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Maria_Island
>
> You can use Wikipedia as a general guideline. Just remember that it may 
> not be historians that wrote that article and there can be mistakes (I 
> think I read somewhere that Angra is the capital of the Azores when it's 
> Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel). 
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Why migrate to the Azores?

2015-09-23 Thread MaryAnn Santos 
Impressive explanation of the situation - very thorough and cogent!

Thank you.

MaryAnn

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:40 AM, David  wrote:

> The identity of the capital of the Azores is actually an interesting
> question, with an answer different than most people expect, I think...
>
> The capital is neither Angra nor Ponta Delgada.  The Azores do not have an
> official capital, even though nowadays Ponta Delgada is often called the
> capital or assumed to be the capital (because the prime minister is based
> there, and because it is by far the largest city and the major economic
> center).
>
> The decision not to designate a city as the capital, made when the Azores
> were granted autonomy in 1976, was (from what I have read) intentional.
> Nations and regions that are composed of archipelagos or other collections
> of islands are often especially susceptible to political disputes over
> where to locate shared institutions, although that is also something even
> non-island nations and regions experience...  It's just that collections of
> islands often have even more heightened local identities and perceptions
> that (unlike with areas of contiguous land) notions of shared identity get
> disrupted by the sea.
>
> This has been an issue that in previous generations held back the
> development of a strong shared regional Azorean identity, as opposed to
> being first a micaelense or picoense or corvino or faialense, etc --
> followed by being not "Azorean" but "Portuguese"...   (Another example of
> this phenomenon with islands is the several attempts that were made to
> bring the former British colonies in the Caribbean together into a single
> federal state, such as the failed effort to bring the West Indies
> Federation as a single unit to independence from Britain; strong separate
> island identities and competition over dominance doomed that effort.)
>
> In any event, the decision was made to share instead of concentrating the
> government in a single city, and to disperse among the Azores' three major
> cities (each of which is on a different island) the locations of the key
> governmental institutions of the new Autonomous Region.  Consequently,
> since 1976, Ponta Delgada is where the prime minister and the rest of the
> executive branch and agencies are based, but the judicial branch is
> headquartered in Angra do Heroísmo and the Assembleia Legislativa, the
> legislature, sits in Horta.
>
> Many on this list will of course immediately note that these three cities,
> were also, prior to 1976, the seats of the three districts into which the
> Azores were divided in 1836:  Ponta Delgada covered São Miguel and Santa
> Maria; Angra covered Terceira, Graciosa, and São Jorge; and Horta covered
> Faial, Pico, Flores, and Corvo.
>
> If I recall correctly, even before the 1836 creation of the districts no
> city was ever officially designated as the "capital" of the Azores,
> although the primary governmental and church institutions of the Azores
> were (again, if I recall correctly) mostly (or all?) historically based in
> Angra, e.g., a royal council, the bishop, etc.  Ponta Delgada was (as it is
> to this day) the most populous city of the archipelago and the de facto
> "business capital," but (at least according to what I have read) it was
> Angra that traditionally hosted the top institutions of both church and
> state.  (Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I am about the earlier
> periods can fill out the description of the pre-1836 picture?)
>
> David da Silva Cornell
> Miami, FL
>
> Researching the following surnames:
>
> Faial - Terra (unknown freguesia(s))
>
> Flores - Freitas, Lourenço, Coelho (unknown freguesia(s))
>
> Pico - Silveira Cardoso, Macedo, Machado, Pereira Madruga, Ferreira,
> Cardoso, Cardoso Machado, Vieira, Bettencourt, Dutra, Castanho, Homem,
> Goulart, Quaresma, Moniz, Barreto, Silveira, Pereira, Álvares (all Lajes
> do
> Pico)
>
> S. Jorge - Silva, Botelho, Azevedo, Cardoso (Urzelina); Silva, Azevedo,
> Cardoso (Santo António in Norte Grande)
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 12:22:30 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Many are signing with the cross, which pretty much looks like a +.
>>
>> The Azores were basically discovered from east to west. Yes, Santa Maria
>> was the first (Wikipedia says 1439 was settlement) and Sao Miguel was the
>> 1440s. Terceira was third (the translation of Terceira is Third). It was
>> originally named Island of Jesus Christ, as it was discovered on Dec. 24th
>> or 25th. As with any history coming from that time period, things weren't
>> recorded and there are other theories on the name and discovery dates.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Maria_Island
>>
>> You can use Wikipedia as a general guideline. Just remember that it may
>> not be historians that wrote that article and there can be mistakes (I
>> think I read somewhere that Angra is the capital of the Azores when it's
>> Ponta Delgada on Sao

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Why migrate to the Azores?

2015-09-22 Thread Cheri Mello 
Many are signing with the cross, which pretty much looks like a +.

The Azores were basically discovered from east to west. Yes, Santa Maria
was the first (Wikipedia says 1439 was settlement) and Sao Miguel was the
1440s. Terceira was third (the translation of Terceira is Third). It was
originally named Island of Jesus Christ, as it was discovered on Dec. 24th
or 25th. As with any history coming from that time period, things weren't
recorded and there are other theories on the name and discovery dates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Maria_Island

You can use Wikipedia as a general guideline. Just remember that it may not
be historians that wrote that article and there can be mistakes (I think I
read somewhere that Angra is the capital of the Azores when it's Ponta
Delgada on Sao Miguel).

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Why migrate to the Azores?

2015-09-22 Thread Maria Lima 
(Cheri:  I don't know if this should b a new thread on literacy of the early 
inhabitants on Santa Maria island. ). 

Last night I was going through the baptism records of Santo Espirito (NS de 
Purificacao) on Santa Maria in early 1700 ( the first island settled ?)  and I 
noticed something that amazed me.  Almost without exception  the people who 
signed at the bottom of the records,  had BEAUTIFUL penmanship.  - not just the 
priest and witness but especially the Padrinho!!   This really got me to wonder 
about the topic being discussed here.  Where did they come from? We're they 
educated in Portugal and were they literate(?).At first I thought it was 
just one record or two records, but after noticing this and  then going through 
maybe twenty or so records,  I started to look to see the signatures and I just 
marveled at the ability to sign their name with clarity and fancy flourishes in 
the letters.  If they could sign their names so proficiently, do you think they 
were literate?   

Their ability to sign their name in 1702 made me wonder if MOST of those who 
settled on Santa Maria during the late 1600's came from wealthy families in 
Portugal.  It got me curious.  

I wanted to give out a yell to some of you who know so much about the early 
inhabitants of Santa Maria island.  Is there a book that gives information 
about the early inhabitants of the island. (?) 

Here's just one example with Joseph de Resendes being a godfather:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1700-1710/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1700-1710_item1/P8.html

Thanks for reading my email. 

Maria Elena 

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:20 PM, A Faria  wrote:
> 
> I have a Portuguese link regarding the demographics in the city of Porto at 
> the time the Azores were discovered the Population was being heavily taxed to 
> widen a street(Rua Nova known today as Rua do Infante D. Henrique) , there 
> was a grain shortage, and grain was very expensive, this I suspect is 
> representative of what was occurring nationally. On Pico island land was 
> being given to those willing to clear the rocky soil and turn it into 
> productive farm land.
> 
> http://www.portopatrimoniomundial.com/rua-do-infante-d-henrique.html
> 
> http://www.iseg.ulisboa.pt/aphes30/docs/progdocs/FABIANO%20FERRAMOSCA.pdf
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 10:00:55 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> Repost for Miguel Deavery, migueldeavery at gmail.com
>> 
>> I often wonder why some of our ancestors went to the Azores ?Did they go 
>> freely or were they forced ? Beautiful Islands in the middle of nowhere.I 
>> think our ancestors were courageous to leave Portugal than go  to  the 
>> Azores and than leave again  to go throughout the world to give us 
>> opportunities they never had in their own lives.I know the Azores Islands 
>> are beautiful but it must of been isolating for those living there not to 
>> long ago. I once heard a saying but where I don't recall. The saying was 
>> ...There is Lisbon and everything else is scenery. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Why migrate to the Azores?

2015-09-22 Thread Manita M 
I'm definitely curious and I think you've made an excellent observation.

Love to the thoughts on this.
On Sep 22, 2015 2:45 PM, "Maria Lima"  wrote:

> (Cheri:  I don't know if this should b a new thread on literacy of the
> early inhabitants on Santa Maria island. ).
>
> Last night I was going through the baptism records of Santo Espirito (NS
> de Purificacao) on Santa Maria in early 1700 ( the first island settled ?)
>  and I noticed something that amazed me.  Almost *without exception*  the
> people who signed at the bottom of the records,  had BEAUTIFUL penmanship.
>  - not just the priest and witness but especially the Padrinho!!   This
> really got me to wonder about the topic being discussed here.  Where did
> they come from? We're they educated in Portugal and were they literate(?).
>At first I thought it was just one record or two records, but after
> noticing this and  then going through maybe twenty or so records,  I
> started to look to see the signatures and I just marveled at the ability to
> sign their name with clarity and fancy flourishes in the letters.  If they
> could sign their names so proficiently, do you think they were literate?
>
> Their ability to sign their name in 1702 made me wonder if MOST of those
> who settled on Santa Maria during the late 1600's came from wealthy
> families in Portugal.  It got me curious.
>
> I wanted to give out a yell to some of you who know so much about the
> early inhabitants of Santa Maria island.  Is there a book that gives
> information about the early inhabitants of the island. (?)
>
> Here's just one example with Joseph de Resendes being a godfather:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1700-1710/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1700-1710_item1/P8.html
>
> Thanks for reading my email.
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:20 PM, A Faria  wrote:
>
> I have a Portuguese link regarding the demographics in the city of Porto
> at the time the Azores were discovered the Population was being heavily
> taxed to widen a street(Rua Nova known today as Rua do Infante D. Henrique)
> , there was a grain shortage, and grain was very expensive, this I suspect
> is representative of what was occurring nationally. On Pico island land was
> being given to those willing to clear the rocky soil and turn it into
> productive farm land.
>
> http://www.portopatrimoniomundial.com/rua-do-infante-d-henrique.html
>
> http://www.iseg.ulisboa.pt/aphes30/docs/progdocs/FABIANO%20FERRAMOSCA.pdf
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 10:00:55 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Repost for Miguel Deavery, migueldeavery at gmail.com
>>
>> I often wonder why some of our ancestors went to the Azores ?Did they go
>> freely or were they forced ? Beautiful Islands in the middle of nowhere.I
>> think our ancestors were courageous to leave Portugal than go to  the
>> Azores and than leave again  to go throughout the world to give us
>> opportunities they never had in their own lives.I know the Azores Islands
>> are beautiful but it must of been isolating for those living there not to
>> long ago. I once heard a saying but where I don't recall. The saying was
>> ...There is Lisbon and everything else is scenery.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Why migrate to the Azores?

2015-09-22 Thread MaryAnn Santos 
If you notice that in between the two names of the signature is a cross (+)
- I would say that the priest signed for them and they signed with a "+".
Also note that all the signatures are in the same handwriting.



On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Manita M  wrote:

> I'm definitely curious and I think you've made an excellent observation.
>
> Love to the thoughts on this.
> On Sep 22, 2015 2:45 PM, "Maria Lima"  wrote:
>
>> (Cheri:  I don't know if this should b a new thread on literacy of the
>> early inhabitants on Santa Maria island. ).
>>
>> Last night I was going through the baptism records of Santo Espirito (NS
>> de Purificacao) on Santa Maria in early 1700 ( the first island settled ?)
>>  and I noticed something that amazed me.  Almost *without exception*
>>  the people who signed at the bottom of the records,  had BEAUTIFUL
>> penmanship.  - not just the priest and witness but especially the
>> Padrinho!!   This really got me to wonder about the topic being discussed
>> here.  Where did they come from? We're they educated in Portugal and were
>> they literate(?).At first I thought it was just one record or two
>> records, but after noticing this and  then going through maybe twenty or so
>> records,  I started to look to see the signatures and I just marveled at
>> the ability to sign their name with clarity and fancy flourishes in the
>> letters.  If they could sign their names so proficiently, do you think they
>> were literate?
>>
>> Their ability to sign their name in 1702 made me wonder if MOST of those
>> who settled on Santa Maria during the late 1600's came from wealthy
>> families in Portugal.  It got me curious.
>>
>> I wanted to give out a yell to some of you who know so much about the
>> early inhabitants of Santa Maria island.  Is there a book that gives
>> information about the early inhabitants of the island. (?)
>>
>> Here's just one example with Joseph de Resendes being a godfather:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1700-1710/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1700-1710_item1/P8.html
>>
>> Thanks for reading my email.
>>
>> Maria Elena
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:20 PM, A Faria  wrote:
>>
>> I have a Portuguese link regarding the demographics in the city of Porto
>> at the time the Azores were discovered the Population was being heavily
>> taxed to widen a street(Rua Nova known today as Rua do Infante D. Henrique)
>> , there was a grain shortage, and grain was very expensive, this I suspect
>> is representative of what was occurring nationally. On Pico island land was
>> being given to those willing to clear the rocky soil and turn it into
>> productive farm land.
>>
>> http://www.portopatrimoniomundial.com/rua-do-infante-d-henrique.html
>>
>> http://www.iseg.ulisboa.pt/aphes30/docs/progdocs/FABIANO%20FERRAMOSCA.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 10:00:55 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Repost for Miguel Deavery, migueldeavery at gmail.com
>>>
>>> I often wonder why some of our ancestors went to the Azores ?Did they go
>>> freely or were they forced ? Beautiful Islands in the middle of nowhere.I
>>> think our ancestors were courageous to leave Portugal than go to  the
>>> Azores and than leave again  to go throughout the world to give us
>>> opportunities they never had in their own lives.I know the Azores Islands
>>> are beautiful but it must of been isolating for those living there not to
>>> long ago. I once heard a saying but where I don't recall. The saying was
>>> ...There is Lisbon and everything else is scenery.
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Why migrate to the Azores?

2015-09-21 Thread A Faria 
I have a Portuguese link regarding the demographics in the city of Porto at 
the time the Azores were discovered the Population was being heavily taxed 
to widen a street(Rua Nova known today as Rua do Infante D. Henrique) , 
there was a grain shortage, and grain was very expensive, this I suspect is 
representative of what was occurring nationally. On Pico island land was 
being given to those willing to clear the rocky soil and turn it into 
productive farm land.

http://www.portopatrimoniomundial.com/rua-do-infante-d-henrique.html

http://www.iseg.ulisboa.pt/aphes30/docs/progdocs/FABIANO%20FERRAMOSCA.pdf



On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 10:00:55 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Repost for Miguel Deavery, migueldeavery at gmail.com
>
> I often wonder why some of our ancestors went to the Azores ?Did they go 
> freely or were they forced ? Beautiful Islands in the middle of nowhere.I 
> think our ancestors were courageous to leave Portugal than go to  the 
> Azores and than leave again  to go throughout the world to give us 
> opportunities they never had in their own lives.I know the Azores Islands 
> are beautiful but it must of been isolating for those living there not to 
> long ago. I once heard a saying but where I don't recall. The saying was 
> ...There is Lisbon and everything else is scenery. 
>

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