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Vivian: We live in San Luis Obispo, if there's any help we can provide, let us know. What were your ancestors names when they lived here and during what years? Ronnie - Original Message - From: Ray Souza To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DeMello book Sometimes I begin to think that some of our relatives were under the witness protection program. There is absolute nothing of their backgrounds. --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Vivian Christy vchris1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Vivian Christy vchris1...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DeMello book To: Azores@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 7:38 PM Dolores, My Great Grandparents are also from Sao Jorge and I have not been able to find out anything on them either. Not coming into this country or the children being born. Have not found anything yet on the Sao Jorge records yet either. They just appeared in San Luis Obispo, San Jose, Oakland, Santa Clara and Hanford. It is a big mystery. I'll keep searching maybe something will show up sometime. I am sure we all have some of the same stories about our Azorean Relatives. I thought your story about what your grand mother said was cute. Sincerely, Vivian (Silva) Christy --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Dolores Coyle dolores.co...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dolores Coyle dolores.co...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DeMello book To: Azores@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:43 AM I understand your search. My Great Grandparents from Sao Jorges, seem to have spontaneously generated in 1880 onto Commercial Street in Boston with three children. No records before that of any of them anywhere-including the three children that I'm about 99.9% sure were born in the US. I joke with my family that we just materialized from the Gods and Royalty, like my Grandmother always implied. Good Luck. I work for Temple University's Library, so I have access to a number of resources. Let me know if you need any help-it may be a long shot, but we may have it, or at least access to it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Hi Ronnie, This is what I know. Isabella Leal Silveira b. July 24, 1854 Sao Jorge, d. Nov 17, 1936 in Hanford, Ca. immigrated abt 1892. Was at Oso Flaco, Guadalupe, County of San Luis Obispo on a rented farm until they went bankrupt. Then they moved to Santa Clara County, San Jose, Oakland area. After that they moved to Hanford, King County I have them in the 1920 1930 census. That is where her and her husband Primo Souza died. Not even the probate records for their property had any information I could use. Either did the obits on them. Primo Souza b. abt 1855 in Sao Jorge d. Dec 08, 1930 in Hanford, Ca. Manuel ? Stepson b. abt 1880 where unknown All her children except my Grandmother (Marie Holmes Joseph say they were born in San Luis Obispo. Frank Peter Holmes, b. Oct. 24, 1882 in San Luis Obispo d. Mar 15, 1950 in Oakdale, Ca. Joseph Holmes. b. abt 1884 d. 1911 in Bakersfield, Ca John Joseph Holmes b. Oct. 24, 1887 in San Luis Obispo d. Aug 23, 1932 in Oakland, Ca. Marie Gertrude Holmes b. May 31, 1894 or 1890 in San Luis Obispo, Ca. d. Aug 23, 1977 in San Diego, Ca. (she put in a little bio she was born on Sao Jorge but on her Social Security record it say San Luis Obispo, Ca) The children all listed their Father as Frank Holmes but I can find no record of him that I can for sure say he was an actual person and not just a name used instead of Primo Souza. I am not sure if Primo Souza and Frank Holmes are not the same person. I can not find any birth records for any of the children. I have also checked the records they have so far on Sao Jorge without finding any of them born there. So how can you find birth records for people who say they were born in San Luis Obispo but where ever I check there are none. I have copies of their death certs, census records from 1910, 1920, 1930 and WWar records. They must have just appeared on the planet. If you know of anywhere I could write or call to find birth records for them I would appreciate the help. I live in San Diego. Thank you for any help, Vivian (Silva) Christy --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Ronnie French rmfre...@charter.net wrote: From: Ronnie French rmfre...@charter.net Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DeMello book To: Azores@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:46 PM Vivian: We live in San Luis Obispo, if there's any help we can provide, let us know. What were your ancestors names when they lived here and during what years? Ronnie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Vivian Have you tried the Church Baptismal Records? That would be the place to look that might have the info you need. I'm sure that they were Catholic so try the Catholic church in SLO. Rosemarie - Original Message - From: Vivian Christy To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DeMello book Hi Ronnie, This is what I know. Isabella Leal Silveira b. July 24, 1854 Sao Jorge, d. Nov 17, 1936 in Hanford, Ca. immigrated abt 1892. Was at Oso Flaco, Guadalupe, County of San Luis Obispo on a rented farm until they went bankrupt. Then they moved to Santa Clara County, San Jose, Oakland area. After that they moved to Hanford, King County I have them in the 1920 1930 census. That is where her and her husband Primo Souza died. Not even the probate records for their property had any information I could use. Either did the obits on them. Primo Souza b. abt 1855 in Sao Jorge d. Dec 08, 1930 in Hanford, Ca. Manuel ? Stepson b. abt 1880 where unknown All her children except my Grandmother (Marie Holmes Joseph say they were born in San Luis Obispo. Frank Peter Holmes, b. Oct. 24, 1882 in San Luis Obispo d. Mar 15, 1950 in Oakdale, Ca. Joseph Holmes. b. abt 1884 d. 1911 in Bakersfield, Ca John Joseph Holmes b. Oct. 24, 1887 in San Luis Obispo d. Aug 23, 1932 in Oakland, Ca. Marie Gertrude Holmes b. May 31, 1894 or 1890 in San Luis Obispo, Ca. d. Aug 23, 1977 in San Diego, Ca. (she put in a little bio she was born on Sao Jorge but on her Social Security record it say San Luis Obispo, Ca) The children all listed their Father as Frank Holmes but I can find no record of him that I can for sure say he was an actual person and not just a name used instead of Primo Souza. I am not sure if Primo Souza and Frank Holmes are not the same person. I can not find any birth records for any of the children. I have also checked the records they have so far on Sao Jorge without finding any of them born there. So how can you find birth records for people who say they were born in San Luis Obispo but where ever I check there are none. I have copies of their death certs, census records from 1910, 1920, 1930 and WWar records. They must have just appeared on the planet. If you know of anywhere I could write or call to find birth records for them I would appreciate the help. I live in San Diego. Thank you for any help, Vivian (Silva) Christy --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Ronnie French rmfre...@charter.net wrote: From: Ronnie French rmfre...@charter.net Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DeMello book To: Azores@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:46 PM Vivian: We live in San Luis Obispo, if there's any help we can provide, let us know. What were your ancestors names when they lived here and during what years? Ronnie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Vivian For the timeframe you have the births, I think they would be at the Mission in SLO. The Mission have been microfilmed but the Baptisms only go to 1869! Darn. The marriage records to to 1906 and can be ordered from Salt Lake City. Otherwise, you'll have to get into contact with the Mission at SLO and see if they will search for you. Hopefullly this will help you. Rosemarie - Original Message - From: Vivian Christy To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DeMello book Hi Ronnie, This is what I know. Isabella Leal Silveira b. July 24, 1854 Sao Jorge, d. Nov 17, 1936 in Hanford, Ca. immigrated abt 1892. Was at Oso Flaco, Guadalupe, County of San Luis Obispo on a rented farm until they went bankrupt. Then they moved to Santa Clara County, San Jose, Oakland area. After that they moved to Hanford, King County I have them in the 1920 1930 census. That is where her and her husband Primo Souza died. Not even the probate records for their property had any information I could use. Either did the obits on them. Primo Souza b. abt 1855 in Sao Jorge d. Dec 08, 1930 in Hanford, Ca. Manuel ? Stepson b. abt 1880 where unknown All her children except my Grandmother (Marie Holmes Joseph say they were born in San Luis Obispo. Frank Peter Holmes, b. Oct. 24, 1882 in San Luis Obispo d. Mar 15, 1950 in Oakdale, Ca. Joseph Holmes. b. abt 1884 d. 1911 in Bakersfield, Ca John Joseph Holmes b. Oct. 24, 1887 in San Luis Obispo d. Aug 23, 1932 in Oakland, Ca. Marie Gertrude Holmes b. May 31, 1894 or 1890 in San Luis Obispo, Ca. d. Aug 23, 1977 in San Diego, Ca. (she put in a little bio she was born on Sao Jorge but on her Social Security record it say San Luis Obispo, Ca) The children all listed their Father as Frank Holmes but I can find no record of him that I can for sure say he was an actual person and not just a name used instead of Primo Souza. I am not sure if Primo Souza and Frank Holmes are not the same person. I can not find any birth records for any of the children. I have also checked the records they have so far on Sao Jorge without finding any of them born there. So how can you find birth records for people who say they were born in San Luis Obispo but where ever I check there are none. I have copies of their death certs, census records from 1910, 1920, 1930 and WWar records. They must have just appeared on the planet. If you know of anywhere I could write or call to find birth records for them I would appreciate the help. I live in San Diego. Thank you for any help, Vivian (Silva) Christy --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Ronnie French rmfre...@charter.net wrote: From: Ronnie French rmfre...@charter.net Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DeMello book To: Azores@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:46 PM Vivian: We live in San Luis Obispo, if there's any help we can provide, let us know. What were your ancestors names when they lived here and during what years? Ronnie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Vivian, Nothing comes to mind off the top of my husband, John and my head. John was born in SLO and knows a lot of old timers. However, if they were in Oso Flaco they may have been born in Santa Barbara County. Oceano is in SLO county but Guadalupe, the nearest farm city or Santa Maria, the main farm city is in Santa Barbara County. Oso Flaco is very close to the border of the two counties. We'll keep looking in SLO. Try Santa Barbara County, especially the North County areas of Santa Maria, Guadalupe. In the old days there were some train towns, can't remember the names. The towns helped serve the trains because of all the produce grown in the South SLO and Northern Santa Barbara Counties. Will let you know if we find anything in SLO county. We know some Souza's but they are from the North Coastal area of SLO county. I'll ask them. Will advise. Ronnie - Original Message - From: Vivian Christy To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DeMello book Hi Ronnie, This is what I know. Isabella Leal Silveira b. July 24, 1854 Sao Jorge, d. Nov 17, 1936 in Hanford, Ca. immigrated abt 1892. Was at Oso Flaco, Guadalupe, County of San Luis Obispo on a rented farm until they went bankrupt. Then they moved to Santa Clara County, San Jose, Oakland area. After that they moved to Hanford, King County I have them in the 1920 1930 census. That is where her and her husband Primo Souza died. Not even the probate records for their property had any information I could use. Either did the obits on them. Primo Souza b. abt 1855 in Sao Jorge d. Dec 08, 1930 in Hanford, Ca. Manuel ? Stepson b. abt 1880 where unknown All her children except my Grandmother (Marie Holmes Joseph say they were born in San Luis Obispo. Frank Peter Holmes, b. Oct. 24, 1882 in San Luis Obispo d. Mar 15, 1950 in Oakdale, Ca. Joseph Holmes. b. abt 1884 d. 1911 in Bakersfield, Ca John Joseph Holmes b. Oct. 24, 1887 in San Luis Obispo d. Aug 23, 1932 in Oakland, Ca. Marie Gertrude Holmes b. May 31, 1894 or 1890 in San Luis Obispo, Ca. d. Aug 23, 1977 in San Diego, Ca. (she put in a little bio she was born on Sao Jorge but on her Social Security record it say San Luis Obispo, Ca) The children all listed their Father as Frank Holmes but I can find no record of him that I can for sure say he was an actual person and not just a name used instead of Primo Souza. I am not sure if Primo Souza and Frank Holmes are not the same person. I can not find any birth records for any of the children. I have also checked the records they have so far on Sao Jorge without finding any of them born there. So how can you find birth records for people who say they were born in San Luis Obispo but where ever I check there are none. I have copies of their death certs, census records from 1910, 1920, 1930 and WWar records. They must have just appeared on the planet. If you know of anywhere I could write or call to find birth records for them I would appreciate the help. I live in San Diego. Thank you for any help, Vivian (Silva) Christy --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Ronnie French rmfre...@charter.net wrote: From: Ronnie French rmfre...@charter.net Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DeMello book To: Azores@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:46 PM Vivian: We live in San Luis Obispo, if there's any help we can provide, let us know. What were your ancestors names when they lived here and during what years? Ronnie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Rosemarie, Thank you for your advice. I will try to get the info for the Mission and see what they require to search their records. Thank you again, Vivian --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Rosemarie Capodicci rcap...@redshift.com wrote: From: Rosemarie Capodicci rcap...@redshift.com Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DeMello book To: Azores@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 1:08 PM Vivian For the timeframe you have the births, I think they would be at the Mission in SLO. The Mission have been microfilmed but the Baptisms only go to 1869! Darn. The marriage records to to 1906 and can be ordered from Salt Lake City. Otherwise, you'll have to get into contact with the Mission at SLO and see if they will search for you. Hopefullly this will help you. Rosemarie - Original Message - From: Vivian Christy To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DeMello book Hi Ronnie, This is what I know. Isabella Leal Silveira b. July 24, 1854 Sao Jorge, d. Nov 17, 1936 in Hanford, Ca. immigrated abt 1892. Was at Oso Flaco, Guadalupe, County of San Luis Obispo on a rented farm until they went bankrupt. Then they moved to Santa Clara County, San Jose, Oakland area. After that they moved to Hanford, King County I have them in the 1920 1930 census. That is where her and her husband Primo Souza died. Not even the probate records for their property had any information I could use. Either did the obits on them. Primo Souza b. abt 1855 in Sao Jorge d. Dec 08, 1930 in Hanford, Ca. Manuel ? Stepson b. abt 1880 where unknown All her children except my Grandmother (Marie Holmes Joseph say they were born in San Luis Obispo. Frank Peter Holmes, b. Oct. 24, 1882 in San Luis Obispo d. Mar 15, 1950 in Oakdale, Ca. Joseph Holmes. b. abt 1884 d. 1911 in Bakersfield, Ca John Joseph Holmes b. Oct. 24, 1887 in San Luis Obispo d. Aug 23, 1932 in Oakland, Ca. Marie Gertrude Holmes b. May 31, 1894 or 1890 in San Luis Obispo, Ca. d. Aug 23, 1977 in San Diego, Ca. (she put in a little bio she was born on Sao Jorge but on her Social Security record it say San Luis Obispo, Ca) The children all listed their Father as Frank Holmes but I can find no record of him that I can for sure say he was an actual person and not just a name used instead of Primo Souza. I am not sure if Primo Souza and Frank Holmes are not the same person. I can not find any birth records for any of the children. I have also checked the records they have so far on Sao Jorge without finding any of them born there. So how can you find birth records for people who say they were born in San Luis Obispo but where ever I check there are none. I have copies of their death certs, census records from 1910, 1920, 1930 and WWar records. They must have just appeared on the planet. If you know of anywhere I could write or call to find birth records for them I would appreciate the help. I live in San Diego. Thank you for any help, Vivian (Silva) Christy --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Ronnie French rmfre...@charter.net wrote: From: Ronnie French rmfre...@charter.net Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DeMello book To: Azores@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:46 PM Vivian: We live in San Luis Obispo, if there's any help we can provide, let us know. What were your ancestors names when they lived here and during what years? Ronnie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Sometimes I begin to think that some of our relatives were under the witness protection program. There is absolute nothing of their backgrounds. --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Vivian Christy vchris1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Vivian Christy vchris1...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DeMello book To: Azores@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 7:38 PM Dolores, My Great Grandparents are also from Sao Jorge and I have not been able to find out anything on them either. Not coming into this country or the children being born. Have not found anything yet on the Sao Jorge records yet either. They just appeared in San Luis Obispo, San Jose, Oakland, Santa Clara and Hanford. It is a big mystery. I'll keep searching maybe something will show up sometime. I am sure we all have some of the same stories about our Azorean Relatives. I thought your story about what your grand mother said was cute. Sincerely, Vivian (Silva) Christy --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Dolores Coyle dolores.co...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dolores Coyle dolores.co...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DeMello book To: Azores@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:43 AM I understand your search. My Great Grandparents from Sao Jorges, seem to have spontaneously generated in 1880 onto Commercial Street in Boston with three children. No records before that of any of them anywhere-including the three children that I'm about 99.9% sure were born in the US. I joke with my family that we just materialized from the Gods and Royalty, like my Grandmother always implied. Good Luck. I work for Temple University's Library, so I have access to a number of resources. Let me know if you need any help-it may be a long shot, but we may have it, or at least access to it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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--- On Thu, 4/2/09, Ray Souza rayrso...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Ray Souza rayrso...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DeMello book To: Dolores Coyle dolores.co...@gmail.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 9:22 PM My grandfather Jose B. Souza (DOB 1872)is from San Miguel...and probably left there to Hawaii around1883-1886.I have no real proof of his departure date. The only first definite record of his existence is the 1900 American/Hawaiian Island census.He was then already married to my grandmother Maria Isabella (Tavares Pimentel). No marriage certificate to this also. I have hunted for proof of this for 18 years now and have turned that Island upside-down with the help of PGSH and the Catholic church, and the Depeartment of Health and Statistics. I will continue looking and could use some help and maybe this book can reveal something also. Thank you for your interest. --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Dolores Coyle dolores.co...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dolores Coyle dolores.co...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DeMello book To: rayrso...@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:33 PM Ray, where are you Souzas from. My Great Grandmother Mary Souza was from Sao Jorges and married Frank Rose in Boston in the 1860s. Just trolling. Thanks, Dolores Coyle On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Ray Souza rayrso...@yahoo.com wrote: An appeal to all listees: If anyone has a copy of Robert DeMello's (passport Index) Immigrants from Azores to Sandwich Isles 1879-1883 and willing to sell please contact me. Better still, if anyone knows where I may purchase a copy, please let me know. I know that it is out of print and was first published in 1983 by DeMello publishing Co. Thanks to all.rayrso...@yahoo.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
