Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[Shirley Allegre]

You're Welcome.
Shirley in CA
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  From: nancy jean baptiste 
  To: azores group 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:53 AM
  Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!


  Hi Shirley,
   
  I'm sorry for the slow response but the holiday has had me "out of pocket".
   
  Thank you so much for your help! I appreciate your confirmation of Joao's 
record and I especially appreciate your finding Isabel do Rosario's baptism for 
me. Each time another generation is added I'm thrilled.
   
  Thanks again and have a great day,
  Nancy Jean
   


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  From: shir...@digitalpath.net
  To: azores@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
  Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 16:33:48 -0700


  I looked at the "obito" for Joao de Sousa Cardoso today.  This is how I read 
it:
  This is on page 54 right

  DOD:  13 August 1797, Velas, Sao Jorge, Azores
  Joao de Sousa Cardoso
  age 63
  ate sacraments
  Buried this Matriz
  SPOUSE
  Isabel do Rosario
  Parochial of Santo Amaro, termo Velas
  That is the best that I could do.

  I found the following birth info:
  DOB 1? June 1731
  BAPT  3? June 1731, Velas, Sao Jorge, Azores  ((page 15 RightCenter)
  Isabel
  (Joam Machado Costa, native N.S. Rosario -Rosais (Sao Jorge)
  X Mecia da Rosario, native Velas)
  GODPARENTS
  Joam Manoel Teixeira de Betancurt
  & Joanna de Resureicao
  (Manoel Silveira de Sousa X Maria Camacha)  both deceased
  residents if Beira

  Hope this helps.Shirley in CA
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From: nancy jean baptiste 
To: azores group 
    Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 6:33 PM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!


Thank you, Shirley, 


I appreciate your help on this.


I've been searching for the children of Joam and Isabel and also for Joam's 
obit which I found. I could certainly use some help with the record. I think it 
says he died August 13, 1797 and was 63 years old. I hope someone will confirm 
that for me. Also, usually there's more information in the record regarding 
occupation, number of children etc and I can't seem to see any of that. Could 
someone tell me the other information held in the record? It can be found in 
VELAS OBITS FOR 1790-1800, PG. #0072, jOAO DE SOUSA CARDOSO MARRIED TO ISABEL 
DO ROSARIO.


Thank you for any help,
Nancy Jean




From: shir...@digitalpath.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:10:51 -0700


Hi Nancy:  I looked at the Velas film and found the following:

#645   Page 100 right
DOMarriage:  9 Jan 1753
Joam de Sousa
Parents:
(Joam Teixeira X Lusia Cardosa)
natives & baptised  Santa Barbara
WIFE:
Isabel do Rosario
(Joam Machado Costa X Micaella _ Rosario)
natives and bapt. Velas

Hope this helps.  Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: nancy jean baptiste 
  To: azores group 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:36 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!


  Greetings Group,
   
  I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having 
a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly 
appreciated.
   
  Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and 
Isabel do Rosario
   
  Thank you in advance,
  Nancy Jean


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Shirley,
 
I'm sorry for the slow response but the holiday has had me "out of pocket".
 
Thank you so much for your help! I appreciate your confirmation of Joao's 
record and I especially appreciate your finding Isabel do Rosario's baptism for 
me. Each time another generation is added I'm thrilled.
 
Thanks again and have a great day,
Nancy Jean
 



From: shir...@digitalpath.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 16:33:48 -0700




I looked at the "obito" for Joao de Sousa Cardoso today.  This is how I read it:
This is on page 54 right
 
DOD:  13 August 1797, Velas, Sao Jorge, Azores
Joao de Sousa Cardoso
age 63
ate sacraments
Buried this Matriz
SPOUSE
Isabel do Rosario
Parochial of Santo Amaro, termo Velas
That is the best that I could do.
 
I found the following birth info:
DOB 1? June 1731
BAPT  3? June 1731, Velas, Sao Jorge, Azores  ((page 15 RightCenter)
Isabel
(Joam Machado Costa, native N.S. Rosario -Rosais (Sao Jorge)
X Mecia da Rosario, native Velas)
GODPARENTS
Joam Manoel Teixeira de Betancurt
& Joanna de Resureicao
(Manoel Silveira de Sousa X Maria Camacha)  both deceased
residents if Beira
 
Hope this helps.Shirley in CA

- Original Message - 
From: nancy jean baptiste 
To: azores group 
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 6:33 PM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!


Thank you, Shirley, 


I appreciate your help on this.


I've been searching for the children of Joam and Isabel and also for Joam's 
obit which I found. I could certainly use some help with the record. I think it 
says he died August 13, 1797 and was 63 years old. I hope someone will confirm 
that for me. Also, usually there's more information in the record regarding 
occupation, number of children etc and I can't seem to see any of that. Could 
someone tell me the other information held in the record? It can be found in 
VELAS OBITS FOR 1790-1800, PG. #0072, jOAO DE SOUSA CARDOSO MARRIED TO ISABEL 
DO ROSARIO.


Thank you for any help,
Nancy Jean





From: shir...@digitalpath.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:10:51 -0700




Hi Nancy:  I looked at the Velas film and found the following:
 
#645   Page 100 right
DOMarriage:  9 Jan 1753
Joam de Sousa
Parents:
(Joam Teixeira X Lusia Cardosa)
natives & baptised  Santa Barbara
WIFE:
Isabel do Rosario
(Joam Machado Costa X Micaella _ Rosario)
natives and bapt. Velas
 
Hope this helps.  Shirley in CA

- Original Message - 
From: nancy jean baptiste 
To: azores group 
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:36 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!


Greetings Group,
 
I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a 
very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly 
appreciated.
 
Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel 
do Rosario
 
Thank you in advance,
Nancy Jean

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[Shirley Allegre]

I looked at the "obito" for Joao de Sousa Cardoso today.  This is how I read it:
This is on page 54 right

DOD:  13 August 1797, Velas, Sao Jorge, Azores
Joao de Sousa Cardoso
age 63
ate sacraments
Buried this Matriz
SPOUSE
Isabel do Rosario
Parochial of Santo Amaro, termo Velas
That is the best that I could do.

I found the following birth info:
DOB 1? June 1731
BAPT  3? June 1731, Velas, Sao Jorge, Azores  ((page 15 RightCenter)
Isabel
(Joam Machado Costa, native N.S. Rosario -Rosais (Sao Jorge)
X Mecia da Rosario, native Velas)
GODPARENTS
Joam Manoel Teixeira de Betancurt
& Joanna de Resureicao
(Manoel Silveira de Sousa X Maria Camacha)  both deceased
residents if Beira

Hope this helps.Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: nancy jean baptiste 
  To: azores group 
  Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 6:33 PM
  Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!


  Thank you, Shirley,


  I appreciate your help on this.


  I've been searching for the children of Joam and Isabel and also for Joam's 
obit which I found. I could certainly use some help with the record. I think it 
says he died August 13, 1797 and was 63 years old. I hope someone will confirm 
that for me. Also, usually there's more information in the record regarding 
occupation, number of children etc and I can't seem to see any of that. Could 
someone tell me the other information held in the record? It can be found in 
VELAS OBITS FOR 1790-1800, PG. #0072, jOAO DE SOUSA CARDOSO MARRIED TO ISABEL 
DO ROSARIO.


  Thank you for any help,
  Nancy Jean



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  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
  Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:10:51 -0700


  Hi Nancy:  I looked at the Velas film and found the following:

  #645   Page 100 right
  DOMarriage:  9 Jan 1753
  Joam de Sousa
  Parents:
  (Joam Teixeira X Lusia Cardosa)
  natives & baptised  Santa Barbara
  WIFE:
  Isabel do Rosario
  (Joam Machado Costa X Micaella _ Rosario)
  natives and bapt. Velas

  Hope this helps.  Shirley in CA
- Original Message - 
From: nancy jean baptiste 
To: azores group 
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:36 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!


Greetings Group,
 
I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a 
very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly 
appreciated.
 
Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and 
Isabel do Rosario
 
Thank you in advance,
Nancy Jean


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thank you, Shirley,
I appreciate your help on this.
I've been searching for the children of Joam and Isabel and also for Joam's 
obit which I found. I could certainly use some help with the record. I think it 
says he died August 13, 1797 and was 63 years old. I hope someone will confirm 
that for me. Also, usually there's more information in the record regarding 
occupation, number of children etc and I can't seem to see any of that. Could 
someone tell me the other information held in the record? It can be found in 
VELAS OBITS FOR 1790-1800, PG. #0072, jOAO DE SOUSA CARDOSO MARRIED TO ISABEL 
DO ROSARIO.
Thank you for any help,Nancy Jean

From: shir...@digitalpath.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:10:51 -0700








Hi Nancy:  I looked at the Velas film and found the 
following:
 
#645   Page 100 
right
DOMarriage:  9 Jan 1753
Joam de Sousa
Parents:
(Joam Teixeira X Lusia Cardosa)
natives & baptised  Santa Barbara
WIFE:
Isabel do Rosario
(Joam Machado Costa X Micaella _ Rosario)
natives and bapt. Velas
 
Hope this helps.  Shirley in 
CA

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  From: 
  nancy 
  jean baptiste 
  To: azores group 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:36 
PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! 
  Translation help!
  

  Greetings Group,
 
I have found my 5th ggrandparents 
  marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his 
  writing and all help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Velas, Sao 
  Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do 
  Rosario
 
Thank you in advance,
Nancy Jean

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[Shirley Allegre]

Hi Nancy:  I looked at the Velas film and found the following:

#645   Page 100 right
DOMarriage:  9 Jan 1753
Joam de Sousa
Parents:
(Joam Teixeira X Lusia Cardosa)
natives & baptised  Santa Barbara
WIFE:
Isabel do Rosario
(Joam Machado Costa X Micaella _ Rosario)
natives and bapt. Velas

Hope this helps.  Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: nancy jean baptiste 
  To: azores group 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:36 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!


  Greetings Group,
   
  I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a 
very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly 
appreciated.
   
  Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and 
Isabel do Rosario
   
  Thank you in advance,
  Nancy Jean


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[Margaret Vicente]

It was a quick find due to the parent's marriage date... think nothing
of it, Nancy Jean.

Good luck with finding her children and siblings.

Margaret

On 5/13/12, nancy jean baptiste  wrote:
>
> Thank you, Margaret
> I appreciate your help more than you can know! Her marriage on June 9, 1800
> says she's 26! He was 23.in reality she's marrying 1 day after her 36th
> birthday.13 years older than Antonio. I had begun looking at the
> baptisms and found the first sibling, Manuel, Jan. 24, 1754. I can't imagine
> that people didn't know she was really 36 instead of 26. Now I'll figure out
> how many children she and Antonio actually had since she started late! I'll
> also see if there are additional children after Mariana.
> Again, my thanks for finding my elusive 4th ggrandmother,Nancy Jean
>
>
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 00:38:13 -0400
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
> From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> Nancy Jean,
> Found your Mariana...she was born 10-Jun-1764 pls. see 1752-1765.0176 also
> attached here for you.
> Attached is a copy.  Also see siblingsMaria 25-Jan-1756, 1752-1765.0054
> Jose 02-Dec-1758, 1752-1765.0099Isabel 03-Jan-1761, 1752-1765.0144
> There may be more children after Mariana.
> Margaret
>
> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:58 PM, nancy jean baptiste
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you, Margaret,
> I guess I just assumed that since her marriage record gave her parents that
> they were as stated.I suppose she could have a pai incognito although if
> her parents married in 1753 and she wasn't born until 1774/75 she should be
> legitimate. I'm going to spend time searching baptisms in Velas and look at
> some obits and see what I can find. I appreciate your insights.
>
> Luck I'll need
> Nancy Jean
>
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:41:53 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
>
>> From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>
>> correction, Mariana's birth time 1774/1775..
>
>> Margaret
>>
>> On 5/11/12, Margaret Vicente  wrote:
>> > Nancy Jean,
>> >
>> > It says he parents are parishoners of this church and naturals of this
>
>> > matrix of Velas island of S. Jorge.
>> >
>> > Also since her parents marriage record you found is in Velas, I would
>> > search birth records as of the marriage date.  I did find a Mariana
>
>> > born within your Mariana Clara's 26 age (1975/1976) Mother Isabel
>> > Miranda and of incognito father.  Which should not be discarded as a
>> > possibility. This would prompt me to trace Isabel's birth record to
>
>> > see if Miranda is her family name.
>> >
>> > My gggm born in Sao Jorge, Calheta of Incognito father married in Sao
>> > Miguel, with the marriage record stating she was the daughter of
>
>> > Antonio Jose de Miranda of Graciosa, NS da Luz.  Thus the possibility
>> > the father was incognito at time of birth and then perhaps reconciled,
>> > married and assumed the child.
>> >
>
>> > Good Luck.
>> >
>> > Margaret
>> >
>> > On 5/10/12, nancy jean baptiste  wrote:
>> >>
>
>> >> Hi Margaret,
>> >> I'd appreciate any information that you can glean from the
>> >> recordit's
>> >> very difficult to read. Velas marriages, 1788-1806, page # 72. Record #
>> >> 1355.   June 4, 1800, Antonio
>
>> >> Jose
>> >> de Sousa Pereira, 23 yrs with Marianna Clara do Espirito Santo, 26yrs.
>> >> I
>> >> believe his parents are Manoel Pereira de Sousa and Isabel de Jesus and
>> >> her
>
>> >> parents are given as Joao de Sousa Cardosa and Isabel do Rosario.
>> >> I thought Marianna would be easy to find but I just can't find her
>> >> anywhere
>> >> in Velas baptism's for the 1770's or in Santo Amaro. Tomorrow I'll look
>
>> >> at
>> >> the 1760's for Velas now that I know her parents married in 1753..I
>> >> can't imagine she would be that far off on her age on her marriage
>> >> certificate though but you never know and I have no other idea to
>
>> >> investigate although having found her parents marriage record makes
>> >> finding
>> >> her baptism a bit less imperative. I'll also start looking for her
>> &

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thank you, Margaret
I appreciate your help more than you can know! Her marriage on June 9, 1800 
says she's 26! He was 23.in reality she's marrying 1 day after her 36th 
birthday.13 years older than Antonio. I had begun looking at the baptisms 
and found the first sibling, Manuel, Jan. 24, 1754. I can't imagine that people 
didn't know she was really 36 instead of 26. Now I'll figure out how many 
children she and Antonio actually had since she started late! I'll also see if 
there are additional children after Mariana.
Again, my thanks for finding my elusive 4th ggrandmother,Nancy Jean


Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 00:38:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Nancy Jean, 
Found your Mariana...she was born 10-Jun-1764 pls. see 1752-1765.0176 also 
attached here for you.
Attached is a copy.  Also see siblingsMaria 25-Jan-1756, 1752-1765.0054
Jose 02-Dec-1758, 1752-1765.0099Isabel 03-Jan-1761, 1752-1765.0144
There may be more children after Mariana.
Margaret

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:58 PM, nancy jean baptiste  
wrote:





Thank you, Margaret,
I guess I just assumed that since her marriage record gave her parents that 
they were as stated.I suppose she could have a pai incognito although if 
her parents married in 1753 and she wasn't born until 1774/75 she should be 
legitimate. I'm going to spend time searching baptisms in Velas and look at 
some obits and see what I can find. I appreciate your insights.

Luck I'll need
Nancy Jean



> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:41:53 -0400
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

> From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> 
> correction, Mariana's birth time 1774/1775..

> Margaret
> 
> On 5/11/12, Margaret Vicente  wrote:
> > Nancy Jean,
> >
> > It says he parents are parishoners of this church and naturals of this

> > matrix of Velas island of S. Jorge.
> >
> > Also since her parents marriage record you found is in Velas, I would
> > search birth records as of the marriage date.  I did find a Mariana

> > born within your Mariana Clara's 26 age (1975/1976) Mother Isabel
> > Miranda and of incognito father.  Which should not be discarded as a
> > possibility. This would prompt me to trace Isabel's birth record to

> > see if Miranda is her family name.
> >
> > My gggm born in Sao Jorge, Calheta of Incognito father married in Sao
> > Miguel, with the marriage record stating she was the daughter of

> > Antonio Jose de Miranda of Graciosa, NS da Luz.  Thus the possibility
> > the father was incognito at time of birth and then perhaps reconciled,
> > married and assumed the child.
> >

> > Good Luck.
> >
> > Margaret
> >
> > On 5/10/12, nancy jean baptiste  wrote:
> >>

> >> Hi Margaret,
> >> I'd appreciate any information that you can glean from the recordit's
> >> very difficult to read. Velas marriages, 1788-1806, page # 72. Record #
> >> 1355.   June 4, 1800, Antonio

> >> Jose
> >> de Sousa Pereira, 23 yrs with Marianna Clara do Espirito Santo, 26yrs. I
> >> believe his parents are Manoel Pereira de Sousa and Isabel de Jesus and
> >> her

> >> parents are given as Joao de Sousa Cardosa and Isabel do Rosario.
> >> I thought Marianna would be easy to find but I just can't find her
> >> anywhere
> >> in Velas baptism's for the 1770's or in Santo Amaro. Tomorrow I'll look

> >> at
> >> the 1760's for Velas now that I know her parents married in 1753..I
> >> can't imagine she would be that far off on her age on her marriage
> >> certificate though but you never know and I have no other idea to

> >> investigate although having found her parents marriage record makes
> >> finding
> >> her baptism a bit less imperative. I'll also start looking for her
> >> father's

> >> obit since her marriage says he was dead by 1800 and for her siblings.
> >> This is my Mom's line and I've had much more difficulty with it than with
> >> my
> >> Dad's. With him I had help because our Baptista line was in both Joao

> >> Simoes
> >> Lopes Filho's and Marcio Borba's data bases and the records are in Topo
> >> for
> >> the most part and his mothers de Castro Cardoso line is all in NEPS for

> >> Pico.
> >> The most comforting thing about this research is that I know I'll never
> >> run
> >> out 

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thank you, Margaret,
I guess I just assumed that since her marriage record gave her parents that 
they were as stated.I suppose she could have a pai incognito although if 
her parents married in 1753 and she wasn't born until 1774/75 she should be 
legitimate. I'm going to spend time searching baptisms in Velas and look at 
some obits and see what I can find. I appreciate your insights.
Luck I'll need
Nancy Jean



> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:41:53 -0400
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
> From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> 
> correction, Mariana's birth time 1774/1775..
> Margaret
> 
> On 5/11/12, Margaret Vicente  wrote:
> > Nancy Jean,
> >
> > It says he parents are parishoners of this church and naturals of this
> > matrix of Velas island of S. Jorge.
> >
> > Also since her parents marriage record you found is in Velas, I would
> > search birth records as of the marriage date.  I did find a Mariana
> > born within your Mariana Clara's 26 age (1975/1976) Mother Isabel
> > Miranda and of incognito father.  Which should not be discarded as a
> > possibility. This would prompt me to trace Isabel's birth record to
> > see if Miranda is her family name.
> >
> > My gggm born in Sao Jorge, Calheta of Incognito father married in Sao
> > Miguel, with the marriage record stating she was the daughter of
> > Antonio Jose de Miranda of Graciosa, NS da Luz.  Thus the possibility
> > the father was incognito at time of birth and then perhaps reconciled,
> > married and assumed the child.
> >
> > Good Luck.
> >
> > Margaret
> >
> > On 5/10/12, nancy jean baptiste  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Margaret,
> >> I'd appreciate any information that you can glean from the recordit's
> >> very difficult to read. Velas marriages, 1788-1806, page # 72. Record #
> >> 1355.   June 4, 1800, Antonio
> >> Jose
> >> de Sousa Pereira, 23 yrs with Marianna Clara do Espirito Santo, 26yrs. I
> >> believe his parents are Manoel Pereira de Sousa and Isabel de Jesus and
> >> her
> >> parents are given as Joao de Sousa Cardosa and Isabel do Rosario.
> >> I thought Marianna would be easy to find but I just can't find her
> >> anywhere
> >> in Velas baptism's for the 1770's or in Santo Amaro. Tomorrow I'll look
> >> at
> >> the 1760's for Velas now that I know her parents married in 1753..I
> >> can't imagine she would be that far off on her age on her marriage
> >> certificate though but you never know and I have no other idea to
> >> investigate although having found her parents marriage record makes
> >> finding
> >> her baptism a bit less imperative. I'll also start looking for her
> >> father's
> >> obit since her marriage says he was dead by 1800 and for her siblings.
> >> This is my Mom's line and I've had much more difficulty with it than with
> >> my
> >> Dad's. With him I had help because our Baptista line was in both Joao
> >> Simoes
> >> Lopes Filho's and Marcio Borba's data bases and the records are in Topo
> >> for
> >> the most part and his mothers de Castro Cardoso line is all in NEPS for
> >> Pico.
> >> The most comforting thing about this research is that I know I'll never
> >> run
> >> out of the need to search for someonenice to know that as long as I
> >> can
> >> I'll have a passion to pursue!
> >> My best to you,Nancy Jean
> >> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:24:53 -0400
> >> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
> >> From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
> >> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> >>
> >> Nancy Jean,
> >> What is the record number for Mariana's marriage record?  It should say
> >> which freguesia/town she's from...I could take a look it if you would
> >> like.
> >> Margaret
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, nancy jean baptiste
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I
> >> spent
> >> time searching for Marianna's birth with no luckelusive ancestors!
> >> I'm
> >> happy though because this record gives me on generation beyond what I
> >> had!
> >>
> >> Again, than

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[Margaret Vicente]

correction, Mariana's birth time 1774/1775..
Margaret

On 5/11/12, Margaret Vicente  wrote:
> Nancy Jean,
>
> It says he parents are parishoners of this church and naturals of this
> matrix of Velas island of S. Jorge.
>
> Also since her parents marriage record you found is in Velas, I would
> search birth records as of the marriage date.  I did find a Mariana
> born within your Mariana Clara's 26 age (1975/1976) Mother Isabel
> Miranda and of incognito father.  Which should not be discarded as a
> possibility. This would prompt me to trace Isabel's birth record to
> see if Miranda is her family name.
>
> My gggm born in Sao Jorge, Calheta of Incognito father married in Sao
> Miguel, with the marriage record stating she was the daughter of
> Antonio Jose de Miranda of Graciosa, NS da Luz.  Thus the possibility
> the father was incognito at time of birth and then perhaps reconciled,
> married and assumed the child.
>
> Good Luck.
>
> Margaret
>
> On 5/10/12, nancy jean baptiste  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Margaret,
>> I'd appreciate any information that you can glean from the recordit's
>> very difficult to read. Velas marriages, 1788-1806, page # 72. Record #
>> 1355.   June 4, 1800, Antonio
>> Jose
>> de Sousa Pereira, 23 yrs with Marianna Clara do Espirito Santo, 26yrs. I
>> believe his parents are Manoel Pereira de Sousa and Isabel de Jesus and
>> her
>> parents are given as Joao de Sousa Cardosa and Isabel do Rosario.
>> I thought Marianna would be easy to find but I just can't find her
>> anywhere
>> in Velas baptism's for the 1770's or in Santo Amaro. Tomorrow I'll look
>> at
>> the 1760's for Velas now that I know her parents married in 1753..I
>> can't imagine she would be that far off on her age on her marriage
>> certificate though but you never know and I have no other idea to
>> investigate although having found her parents marriage record makes
>> finding
>> her baptism a bit less imperative. I'll also start looking for her
>> father's
>> obit since her marriage says he was dead by 1800 and for her siblings.
>> This is my Mom's line and I've had much more difficulty with it than with
>> my
>> Dad's. With him I had help because our Baptista line was in both Joao
>> Simoes
>> Lopes Filho's and Marcio Borba's data bases and the records are in Topo
>> for
>> the most part and his mothers de Castro Cardoso line is all in NEPS for
>> Pico.
>> The most comforting thing about this research is that I know I'll never
>> run
>> out of the need to search for someonenice to know that as long as I
>> can
>> I'll have a passion to pursue!
>> My best to you,Nancy Jean
>> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:24:53 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
>> From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>
>> Nancy Jean,
>> What is the record number for Mariana's marriage record?  It should say
>> which freguesia/town she's from...I could take a look it if you would
>> like.
>> Margaret
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, nancy jean baptiste
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I
>> spent
>> time searching for Marianna's birth with no luckelusive ancestors!
>> I'm
>> happy though because this record gives me on generation beyond what I
>> had!
>>
>> Again, thanks,Nancy Jean
>> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:13:48 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
>> From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
>>
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>
>> Hi,
>> If I may, I would like the point out the surname is TEIXEIRA.  Simply
>> because there are lower and upper letters interjecting with the T
>> rendering
>> it like the letter P, illusive.
>>
>>
>> best,
>> Margaret
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM,   wrote:
>>
>> Nancy Jane,
>>
>>
>>
>> My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Gayle,
>>
>>> Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this
>>
>>> record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of
>>> the
>>
>>> date opens up further mystery since I

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[Margaret Vicente]

Nancy Jean,

It says he parents are parishoners of this church and naturals of this
matrix of Velas island of S. Jorge.

Also since her parents marriage record you found is in Velas, I would
search birth records as of the marriage date.  I did find a Mariana
born within your Mariana Clara's 26 age (1975/1976) Mother Isabel
Miranda and of incognito father.  Which should not be discarded as a
possibility. This would prompt me to trace Isabel's birth record to
see if Miranda is her family name.

My gggm born in Sao Jorge, Calheta of Incognito father married in Sao
Miguel, with the marriage record stating she was the daughter of
Antonio Jose de Miranda of Graciosa, NS da Luz.  Thus the possibility
the father was incognito at time of birth and then perhaps reconciled,
married and assumed the child.

Good Luck.

Margaret

On 5/10/12, nancy jean baptiste  wrote:
>
> Hi Margaret,
> I'd appreciate any information that you can glean from the recordit's
> very difficult to read. Velas marriages, 1788-1806, page # 72. Record #
> 1355.   June 4, 1800, Antonio Jose
> de Sousa Pereira, 23 yrs with Marianna Clara do Espirito Santo, 26yrs. I
> believe his parents are Manoel Pereira de Sousa and Isabel de Jesus and her
> parents are given as Joao de Sousa Cardosa and Isabel do Rosario.
> I thought Marianna would be easy to find but I just can't find her anywhere
> in Velas baptism's for the 1770's or in Santo Amaro. Tomorrow I'll look at
> the 1760's for Velas now that I know her parents married in 1753..I
> can't imagine she would be that far off on her age on her marriage
> certificate though but you never know and I have no other idea to
> investigate although having found her parents marriage record makes finding
> her baptism a bit less imperative. I'll also start looking for her father's
> obit since her marriage says he was dead by 1800 and for her siblings.
> This is my Mom's line and I've had much more difficulty with it than with my
> Dad's. With him I had help because our Baptista line was in both Joao Simoes
> Lopes Filho's and Marcio Borba's data bases and the records are in Topo for
> the most part and his mothers de Castro Cardoso line is all in NEPS for
> Pico.
> The most comforting thing about this research is that I know I'll never run
> out of the need to search for someone....nice to know that as long as I can
> I'll have a passion to pursue!
> My best to you,Nancy Jean
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:24:53 -0400
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
> From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> Nancy Jean,
> What is the record number for Mariana's marriage record?  It should say
> which freguesia/town she's from...I could take a look it if you would like.
> Margaret
>
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, nancy jean baptiste
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I spent
> time searching for Marianna's birth with no luckelusive ancestors! I'm
> happy though because this record gives me on generation beyond what I had!
>
> Again, thanks,Nancy Jean
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:13:48 -0400
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
> From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
>
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> Hi,
> If I may, I would like the point out the surname is TEIXEIRA.  Simply
> because there are lower and upper letters interjecting with the T rendering
> it like the letter P, illusive.
>
>
> best,
> Margaret
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM,   wrote:
>
> Nancy Jane,
>
>
>
> My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira.
>
>
>
> Rosemarie >
>
>
>
>
>
>> Hi Gayle,
>
>> Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this
>
>> record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the
>
>> date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my
>
>> 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record
>
>> in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day
>
>> looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770"s and never could find
>
>> herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look
>
>> for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues.
>
>> I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at
>
>> least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very
>
>> surprised to find them in 1753 but I&#x

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Margaret,
I'd appreciate any information that you can glean from the recordit's very 
difficult to read. Velas marriages, 1788-1806, page # 72. Record # 1355.
   June 4, 1800, Antonio Jose de Sousa Pereira, 
23 yrs with Marianna Clara do Espirito Santo, 26yrs. I believe his parents are 
Manoel Pereira de Sousa and Isabel de Jesus and her parents are given as Joao 
de Sousa Cardosa and Isabel do Rosario.
I thought Marianna would be easy to find but I just can't find her anywhere in 
Velas baptism's for the 1770's or in Santo Amaro. Tomorrow I'll look at the 
1760's for Velas now that I know her parents married in 1753..I can't 
imagine she would be that far off on her age on her marriage certificate though 
but you never know and I have no other idea to investigate although having 
found her parents marriage record makes finding her baptism a bit less 
imperative. I'll also start looking for her father's obit since her marriage 
says he was dead by 1800 and for her siblings.
This is my Mom's line and I've had much more difficulty with it than with my 
Dad's. With him I had help because our Baptista line was in both Joao Simoes 
Lopes Filho's and Marcio Borba's data bases and the records are in Topo for the 
most part and his mothers de Castro Cardoso line is all in NEPS for Pico.
The most comforting thing about this research is that I know I'll never run out 
of the need to search for someonenice to know that as long as I can I'll 
have a passion to pursue!
My best to you,Nancy Jean
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:24:53 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Nancy Jean,
What is the record number for Mariana's marriage record?  It should say which 
freguesia/town she's from...I could take a look it if you would like.
Margaret


On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, nancy jean baptiste  
wrote:





Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I spent time 
searching for Marianna's birth with no luckelusive ancestors! I'm happy 
though because this record gives me on generation beyond what I had!

Again, thanks,Nancy Jean
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:13:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
From: margaretvice...@gmail.com

To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hi,
If I may, I would like the point out the surname is TEIXEIRA.  Simply because 
there are lower and upper letters interjecting with the T rendering it like the 
letter P, illusive.


best,
Margaret

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM,   wrote:

Nancy Jane,



My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira.



Rosemarie >





> Hi Gayle,

> Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this

> record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the

> date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my

> 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record

> in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day

> looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770"s and never could find

> herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look

> for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues.

> I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at

> least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very

> surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's

> marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa

> Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their

> mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That

> puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but

> I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your

> information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's

> birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't

> find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I

> know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the

> ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth

> records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or

> Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give

> insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never

> seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo

> Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck!

> On another note, I rem

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[Margaret Vicente]

Nancy Jean,

What is the record number for Mariana's marriage record?  It should say
which freguesia/town she's from...I could take a look it if you would like.

Margaret


On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, nancy jean baptiste <
fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I
> spent time searching for Marianna's birth with no luckelusive
> ancestors! I'm happy though because this record gives me on generation
> beyond what I had!
>
> Again, thanks,
> Nancy Jean
> --
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:13:48 -0400
>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
> From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
>
> Hi,
>
> If I may, I would like the point out the surname is TEIXEIRA.  Simply
> because there are lower and upper letters interjecting with the T rendering
> it like the letter P, illusive.
>
> best,
>
> Margaret
>
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM,  wrote:
>
> Nancy Jane,
>
> My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira.
>
> Rosemarie >
>
>
> > Hi Gayle,
> > Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this
> > record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the
> > date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my
> > 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record
> > in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day
> > looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770"s and never could find
> > herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look
> > for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues.
> > I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at
> > least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very
> > surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's
> > marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa
> > Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their
> > mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That
> > puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but
> > I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your
> > information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's
> > birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I
> couldn't
> > find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I
> > know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the
> > ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth
> > records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or
> > Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give
> > insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never
> > seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo
> > Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck!
> > On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at
> the
> > conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there,
> > also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well.
> > Thanks again,Nancy Jean
> >
> >> From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu
> >> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
> >> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 +
> >>
> >> Nancy,
> >>
> >> I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me
> >> down:
> >> 9 Jan 1753  for the date.
> >> Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of
> >> Sto. Amaro
> >>  and
> >> Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do
> >> Rosario of this matrix.
> >>
> >> Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado
> >> (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes.
> >>
> >> Gayle
> >>
> >> From: nancy jean baptiste
> >> mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>>
> >> Reply-To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
> >> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500
> >> To: azores group
> >> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
> >> Subject: [AZORES-Geneal

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I spent time 
searching for Marianna's birth with no luckelusive ancestors! I'm happy 
though because this record gives me on generation beyond what I had!
Again, thanks,Nancy Jean
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:13:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hi,
If I may, I would like the point out the surname is TEIXEIRA.  Simply because 
there are lower and upper letters interjecting with the T rendering it like the 
letter P, illusive.

best,
Margaret

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM,   wrote:

Nancy Jane,



My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira.



Rosemarie >





> Hi Gayle,

> Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this

> record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the

> date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my

> 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record

> in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day

> looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770"s and never could find

> herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look

> for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues.

> I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at

> least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very

> surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's

> marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa

> Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their

> mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That

> puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but

> I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your

> information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's

> birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't

> find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I

> know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the

> ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth

> records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or

> Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give

> insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never

> seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo

> Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck!

> On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at the

> conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there,

> also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well.

> Thanks again,Nancy Jean

>

>> From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu

>> To: azores@googlegroups.com

>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

>> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 +

>>

>> Nancy,

>>

>> I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me

>> down:

>> 9 Jan 1753  for the date.

>> Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of

>> Sto. Amaro

>>  and

>> Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do

>> Rosario of this matrix.

>>

>> Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado

>> (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes.

>>

>> Gayle

>>

>> From: nancy jean baptiste

>> mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>>

>> Reply-To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>

>> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500

>> To: azores group

>> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>

>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

>>

>> Greetings Group,

>>

>> I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm

>> having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be

>> greatly appreciated.

>>

>> Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and

>> Isabel do Rosario

>>

>> Thank you in advance,

>> Nancy Jean

>>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi,

If I may, I would like the point out the surname is TEIXEIRA.  Simply
because there are lower and upper letters interjecting with the T rendering
it like the letter P, illusive.

best,

Margaret


On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM,  wrote:

> Nancy Jane,
>
> My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira.
>
> Rosemarie >
>
>
> > Hi Gayle,
> > Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this
> > record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the
> > date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my
> > 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record
> > in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day
> > looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770"s and never could find
> > herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look
> > for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues.
> > I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at
> > least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very
> > surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's
> > marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa
> > Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their
> > mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That
> > puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but
> > I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your
> > information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's
> > birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I
> couldn't
> > find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I
> > know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the
> > ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth
> > records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or
> > Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give
> > insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never
> > seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo
> > Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck!
> > On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at
> the
> > conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there,
> > also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well.
> > Thanks again,Nancy Jean
> >
> >> From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu
> >> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
> >> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 +
> >>
> >> Nancy,
> >>
> >> I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me
> >> down:
> >> 9 Jan 1753  for the date.
> >> Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of
> >> Sto. Amaro
> >>  and
> >> Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do
> >> Rosario of this matrix.
> >>
> >> Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado
> >> (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes.
> >>
> >> Gayle
> >>
> >> From: nancy jean baptiste
> >> mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>>
> >> Reply-To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
> >> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500
> >> To: azores group
> >> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
> >> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
> >>
> >> Greetings Group,
> >>
> >> I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm
> >> having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be
> >> greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >> Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and
> >> Isabel do Rosario
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance,
> >> Nancy Jean
> >>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[rcapodc]

Nancy Jane,

My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira.

Rosemarie >


> Hi Gayle,
> Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this
> record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the
> date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my
> 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record
> in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day
> looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770"s and never could find
> herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look
> for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues.
> I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at
> least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very
> surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's
> marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa
> Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their
> mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That
> puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but
> I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your
> information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's
> birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't
> find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I
> know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the
> ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth
> records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or
> Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give
> insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never
> seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo
> Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck!
> On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at the
> conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there,
> also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well.
> Thanks again,Nancy Jean
>
>> From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
>> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 +
>>
>> Nancy,
>>
>> I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me
>> down:
>> 9 Jan 1753  for the date.
>> Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of
>> Sto. Amaro
>>  and
>> Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do
>> Rosario of this matrix.
>>
>> Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado
>> (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes.
>>
>> Gayle
>>
>> From: nancy jean baptiste
>> mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>>
>> Reply-To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
>> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500
>> To: azores group
>> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
>>
>> Greetings Group,
>>
>> I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm
>> having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be
>> greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and
>> Isabel do Rosario
>>
>> Thank you in advance,
>> Nancy Jean
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[Gayle Machado]

Nancy Jean,

I'm always looking for more cousins. I find the migration patterns fascinating. 
If you remember who these people you met are, maybe we can find a connection. 
No rush. I have to get through finals week next week before I have time to play.

Take care,

Gayle



On May 8, 2012, at 5:49 PM, "nancy jean baptiste" 
mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Gayle,

Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this record. 
This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the date opens up 
further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my 4th ggrandmother, 
Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record in June 9, 1800 her age 
is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day looking at all the baptisms in 
Velas for 1770"s and never could find herso I thought maybe if I could find 
her parents marriage and look for other siblings I could find her along the way 
or perhaps other clues. I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too 
far back but at least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was 
very surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's 
marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa Cardoso/a? 
and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their mother's name as well 
as their father's I think that's what he did. That puts their marriage 21 years 
before Marianna's presumed birth date but I've seen that with my Pereira family 
so I know it's possible. With your information I'm wondering if I should look 
in Santo Amaro for Marianna's birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there 
and that's why I couldn't find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for 
your helpnow I know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these 
times gave the ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for 
birth records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or 
Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give insight 
into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never seen Peixeiro 
before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo Amaro baptisms for 
1770's and hope I have more luck!

On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at the 
conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there, also 
with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well.

Thanks again,
Nancy Jean

> From: <mailto:gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu> 
> gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu<mailto:gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu>
> To: <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> 
> azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 +
>
> Nancy,
>
> I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me down:
> 9 Jan 1753 for the date.
> Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of Sto. 
> Amaro
> and
> Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do Rosario of 
> this matrix.
>
> Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado (Rocha) 
> Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes.
>
> Gayle
>
> From: nancy jean baptiste 
> mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com><mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>>
> Reply-To: 
> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com><mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500
> To: azores group 
> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com><mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
>
> Greetings Group,
>
> I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a 
> very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly 
> appreciated.
>
> Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and 
> Isabel do Rosario
>
> Thank you in advance,
> Nancy Jean
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Gayle,
Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this record. 
This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the date opens up 
further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my 4th ggrandmother, 
Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record in June 9, 1800 her age 
is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day looking at all the baptisms in 
Velas for 1770"s and never could find herso I thought maybe if I could find 
her parents marriage and look for other siblings I could find her along the way 
or perhaps other clues. I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too 
far back but at least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was 
very surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's 
marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa Cardoso/a? 
and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their mother's name as well 
as their father's I think that's what he did. That puts their marriage 21 years 
before Marianna's presumed birth date but I've seen that with my Pereira family 
so I know it's possible. With your information I'm wondering if I should look 
in Santo Amaro for Marianna's birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there 
and that's why I couldn't find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for 
your helpnow I know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these 
times gave the ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for 
birth records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or 
Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give insight 
into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never seen Peixeiro 
before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo Amaro baptisms for 
1770's and hope I have more luck!
On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at the 
conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there, also 
with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well.
Thanks again,Nancy Jean

> From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 +
> 
> Nancy,
> 
> I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me down:
> 9 Jan 1753  for the date.
> Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of Sto. 
> Amaro
>  and
> Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do Rosario of 
> this matrix.
> 
> Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado (Rocha) 
> Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes.
> 
> Gayle
> 
> From: nancy jean baptiste 
> mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>>
> Reply-To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500
> To: azores group mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
> 
> Greetings Group,
> 
> I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a 
> very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly 
> appreciated.
> 
> Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and 
> Isabel do Rosario
> 
> Thank you in advance,
> Nancy Jean
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

[Gayle Machado]

Nancy,

I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me down:
9 Jan 1753  for the date.
Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of Sto. Amaro
 and
Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do Rosario of 
this matrix.

Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado (Rocha) 
Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes.

Gayle

From: nancy jean baptiste 
mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>>
Reply-To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500
To: azores group mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!

Greetings Group,

I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a 
very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly 
appreciated.

Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel 
do Rosario

Thank you in advance,
Nancy Jean

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