Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Guidance - da Rocha de Borba abt. 1850's Sao Bartolomeu
Thank you Helen for you reply. That's what we were trying to figure out too. One translation thought it said Jose was deceased when his son Jose was born. But then another thought Joao and Matilde were Jose's (the father) sibilings and until I could find the marriage record of Jose and Custodia we were at a standstill. The 2nd translation thought it was reading the grandfather of the child (Jose born in 1850) was deceased. So, now I need to re-read the one translation that thought it said grandfather was deceased and see if all three generations (Grandfather, father and child being my GGGrandfather) were all Jose da Rocha de Borba's. Your addition is wonderful news! We actually stayed at a Quinta in Candida in Terceira (right outside of Angra), so I was wondering if the area was home to a family by the name of Candida too. I will definatly keep an eye out for your Manoel. Where did Manoel immigrate to? My best to you, Robin Borba Besotes - Original Message - From: his...@aol.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: 2010-06-12 21:57 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Guidance - da Rocha de Borba abt. 1850's Sao Bartolomeu Robin Jose da Rocha da Borba and Custodia Candida were married March 21, 1849. He is the son of Francisco da Rocha da Borba and Anna Theodoro. She is the daughter of Joaquim Ferreira and Maria Candida. I'm missing something. How can Joao da Rocha Borba and his sister Matilde Candida be the children o Jose da Rocha Borba if he was married in 1849. The marriage record didn't say he was a widow, at least I don't think it did. By the way Candida is not a place, it's a name. Pretty common in Terceira I think. If in your research you connect with a Manoel da Rocha da Borba married to (1) Maria do Rosario m. 1724 and (2) Maria Antonia m 1725 let me know. Manoel is my husband's G+grandfather. He is also from Sao Bartolomeu. Helen Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Guidance - da Rocha de Borba abt. 1850's Sao Bartolomeu
One more question Helen. Have you come across any other children of Jose da Rocha de Borba and Custodia Candida? Robin Borba Besotes Researching: Bettencourt, Borba, Barbe, Da Rosa, Jacinto, Rodrigues, Mattos, Jorge, Souto, Silveira, Canhoto California Towns: Newman, Turlock, Crowslanding, San Jose, San Juan, Tres Penos, Hollister, Watsonville, Pacific Grove, Miliptas Azores: Terceira, Sao Jorge, Faial, Pico, Flores -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Guidance - da Rocha de Borba abt. 1850's Sao Bartolomeu
No, but I haven't looked. I'll check today. Helen -Original Message- From: Besotes beso...@succeed.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jun 12, 2010 11:47 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Guidance - da Rocha de Borba abt. 1850's Sao Bartolomeu One more question Helen. Have you come across any other children of Jose da Rocha de Borba and Custodia Candida? Robin Borba Besotes Researching: Bettencourt, Borba, Barbe, Da Rosa, Jacinto, Rodrigues, Mattos, Jorge, Souto, Silveira, Canhoto California Towns: Newman, Turlock, Crowslanding, San Jose, San Juan, Tres Penos, Hollister, Watsonville, Pacific Grove, Miliptas Azores: Terceira, Sao Jorge, Faial, Pico, Flores -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Guidance - da Rocha de Borba abt. 1850's Sao Bartolomeu
Robin Jose da Rocha da Borba and Custodia Candida were married March 21, 1849. He is the son of Francisco da Rocha da Borba and Anna Theodoro. She is the daughter of Joaquim Ferreira and Maria Candida. I'm missing something. How can Joao da Rocha Borba and his sister Matilde Candida be the children o Jose da Rocha Borba if he was married in 1849. The marriage record didn't say he was a widow, at least I don't think it did. By the way Candida is not a place, it's a name. Pretty common in Terceira I think. If in your research you connect with a Manoel da Rocha da Borba married to (1) Maria do Rosario m. 1724 and (2) Maria Antonia m 1725 let me know. Manoel is my husband's G+grandfather. He is also from Sao Bartolomeu. Helen -Original Message- From: Besotes beso...@succeed.net To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:06 am Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Guidance - da Rocha de Borba abt. 1850's Sao Bartolomeu Any suggestions on where I can find a death record for Jose da Rocha de Borba prior to 1850 in Terceira? Here's the baptism for Jose' son (also of the same name) where it says the father is already deceased: Jose, son of Jose da Rocha de Borba and (his wife) Custodia Candida, from the Parish of Sao Bartolomeu dos Regatos of Ilha Terceira (Terceira Island), born in February 10, 1850, he was baptized at home because of life threatening, by me the Vicar bellow mentioned (or signed) on the 21st of the same month and year. He was brought to the Church where I applied all the rituals of the church and the saint oil (sacred oil) and witnessed Joao da Rocha de Borba, and his sister Matilde Candida, son and daughter of Jose da Rocha de Borba already deceased, all resident in this same Parish. I wrote and signed this record Vicar Joao Coelho da Mae de Deus I've gone thru the CCA for Sao Bartholomeu from 1849 to 1850 to no avail. Wouldn't it be there if the father died prior to the birth of his son? I'm not sure what direction to go in now. I don't have the parent's wedding information yet as I'm not quite sure a date period to search nor have I found the brother and sister of Jose as listed above: Joao da Rocha de Borba and his sister Matilde Candida (again have no idea of a date period to search for these two children's baptism's). CANDIDA - I'm curious if anyone knows of the area of Candida in Terceira? Is there a relation between the name of Matilde Candida and Custodia Candida and the area both of the same name? One piece of the puzzle at a time. Robin Borba Besotes Researching: Bettencourt, Borba, Barbe, Da Rosa, Jacinto, Rodrigues, Mattos, Jorge, Souto, Silveira, Canhoto California Towns: Newman, Turlock, Crowslanding, San Jose, San Juan, Tres Penos, Hollister, Watsonville, Pacific Grove, Miliptas Azores: Terceira, Sao Jorge, Faial, Pico, Flores -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Guidance - da Rocha de Borba abt. 1850's Sao Bartolomeu
Robin, I forgot that record is #46, year 1842-1860. Sao Bartholomeu marriages. Helen -Original Message- From: Besotes beso...@succeed.net To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jun 12, 2010 9:06 am Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Guidance - da Rocha de Borba abt. 1850's Sao Bartolomeu Any suggestions on where I can find a death record for Jose da Rocha de Borba prior to 1850 in Terceira? Here's the baptism for Jose' son (also of the same name) where it says the father is already deceased: Jose, son of Jose da Rocha de Borba and (his wife) Custodia Candida, from the Parish of Sao Bartolomeu dos Regatos of Ilha Terceira (Terceira Island), born in February 10, 1850, he was baptized at home because of life threatening, by me the Vicar bellow mentioned (or signed) on the 21st of the same month and year. He was brought to the Church where I applied all the rituals of the church and the saint oil (sacred oil) and witnessed Joao da Rocha de Borba, and his sister Matilde Candida, son and daughter of Jose da Rocha de Borba already deceased, all resident in this same Parish. I wrote and signed this record Vicar Joao Coelho da Mae de Deus I've gone thru the CCA for Sao Bartholomeu from 1849 to 1850 to no avail. Wouldn't it be there if the father died prior to the birth of his son? I'm not sure what direction to go in now. I don't have the parent's wedding information yet as I'm not quite sure a date period to search nor have I found the brother and sister of Jose as listed above: Joao da Rocha de Borba and his sister Matilde Candida (again have no idea of a date period to search for these two children's baptism's). CANDIDA - I'm curious if anyone knows of the area of Candida in Terceira? Is there a relation between the name of Matilde Candida and Custodia Candida and the area both of the same name? One piece of the puzzle at a time. Robin Borba Besotes Researching: Bettencourt, Borba, Barbe, Da Rosa, Jacinto, Rodrigues, Mattos, Jorge, Souto, Silveira, Canhoto California Towns: Newman, Turlock, Crowslanding, San Jose, San Juan, Tres Penos, Hollister, Watsonville, Pacific Grove, Miliptas Azores: Terceira, Sao Jorge, Faial, Pico, Flores -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
