Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardinals living in Flores
Hi Eric I can't establish a connection to Jose Maria da Silveira so I was wondering if in those days people would have a friend as godfather and or godmother? Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/28/2010 5:18:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, noblankt...@gmail.com writes: Al, I agree with Nancy that there were no Cardinals native to Flores. I beleive that the rich uncle was in fact the godfather, Jose Maria de Silveira. Here is the entry for him from the Flores History Jose Maria da Silveira- Nasceu em Santa Cruz, por volta de 1831, e era filho de José Jacinto da Silveira e de Catarina Jacinta de Mesquita, que haviam casado 6 de Junho de 1830, sendo neto paterno de Manuel Luís de Fraga e de Ana Margarida de Mesquita e neto materno de Manuel Pimentel Nóia e de Mariana de Jesus. Foi cura na Matriz de Santa Cruz pelo menos 1857 a 1860, tendo sido nesse ano colcado como vigário em Ponta Delgada, onde se mantuve até Agosto de 1901, desempenhando também ali, durante mais de quatro décadas, o cargo de ouvidor eclesiástico do concelho de Santa Cruz.. Era pregador régio (1879), cónego honorário (1888) e desembargador honorário da Cúria Patriarcal. Faleceu em Santa Cruz a 19 Dezembro de 1906, tendo deixado em testamento 50$000 reis á igreja de S.Pedro de Ponta Delgada. An explanation of his titles show he would be regarded as important as a Cardinal to the island. He was the : Ouvidor Eclesiastico- ecclesiastical judge of the Concelho de Santa Cruz. Conego Honorario- Honorary Canon- The title of Canon is still given in many dioceses to senior parish priests as a largely honorary title. It is usually awarded in recognition of long and dedicated service to the diocese. Honorary canons are members of the chapter in name but are non-residential and receive no emoluments. They are entitled to call themselves canon and have a role in the administration of the cathedral. His obituary shows he was an honorary Canon of the See of Angra. This was the head of the church for the western group of the Azores Desembargador honorario da Curia Patriacal- Honorary Judge of the Patriarchal Curia- Patriarchates have an assembly called the Patriarchal Curia, which assists the major archbishop in administering the sui juris church. The patriarchal curia is distinct from the diocesan or eparchal curia of the patriarch or major archbishop's diocese or eparchy. The patriarchal curia consists of the permanent synod of the Church, the chancellor, assistant chancellor, and notaries, the patriarchal finance officer, the patriarchal liturgical commission and other patriarchal commissions, and the patriarchal tribunal Up to three bishops may be elected specifically to serve in the patriarchal curia. The last part shows he left in his will, $50,000 to the church of Sao Pedro at Ponta Delgada. For 1906 it shows a man of substantial means. I've attached his obito from the CCA website Eric Edgar On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:12 PM, _bigal...@aol.com_ (mailto:bigal...@aol.com) wrote: Hi Eric My father was Manuel J. Sequeira born 1891 New Bedford MA. When he was the age for schooling he was sent to Flores for private tutoring. My cousin say he stayed at my grandmother's uncles place. She says that this uncle was a Cardinal who had his own crest and lived in a mansion. My grandmother was Anna Lourenco born 1872 in Santa Crus Flores. The church that they used was Sao Pedro in Ponta DelGarda Flores. Her godfather was Reverend Vicar Jose Maria Da Silveira Ecclesiastic Listener of this Council And Godmother was Dona Maria Margaride De Crotona Borges. Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/24/2010 10:12:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _noblankt...@gmail.com_ (mailto:noblankt...@gmail.com) writes: Al, The postion of Cardinal is not an integral part of the theological structure of the Catholic Church, but largely an honorific distinction. Since the 1200s they have been appointed from outside Rome, but assigned to a church in Rome. I'd guess that the uncle had retired from that position back to his home. I have a copy of the ANP Gomes book , A Ilha das Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade . It lists the priests who served in each parish in Flores,as well as those assigned to other functions. With your fathers name and town of residence at the time, maybe we can track him down. Possibly his passport returniung to the US would list the Uncles name. Eric Edgar On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:12 AM, _bigal...@aol.com_ (mailto:bigal...@aol.com) wrote: Hi Cheri I do not have the uncle's name. He supposedly lived in a big house with a stone fence and pillars that you went through to get to the house. He also had some kind of crest associated with him. Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/23/2010 11:53:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _gfsche...@gmail.com_ (mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com)
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardinals living in Flores
Al, I've seen many records where a priest was listed as a padrinho. Since both Manuel Lourenco Matias and Mariana de Jesus were born with *pai incognito*there may have been a lack of male relatives. Since a purpose of a padrinho is to direct spiritual growth, having a priest would ensure that. I've seen some trees at Ancestry for this family with Anna being born in 1873, but can't find her baptism record in any local parish from 1872 to 1880. I've checked Ponta Delgada, Cedros, Santa Cruz, and Caveira. Eric Edgar On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:00 AM, bigal...@aol.com wrote: Hi Eric I can't establish a connection to Jose Maria da Silveira so I was wondering if in those days people would have a friend as godfather and or godmother? Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/28/2010 5:18:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, noblankt...@gmail.com writes: Al, I agree with Nancy that there were no Cardinals native to Flores. I beleive that the rich uncle was in fact the godfather, Jose Maria de Silveira. Here is the entry for him from the Flores History *Jose Maria da Silveira*- Nasceu em Santa Cruz, por volta de 1831, e era filho de *José Jacinto da Silveira* e de *Catarina Jacinta de Mesquita*, que haviam casado 6 de Junho de 1830, sendo neto paterno de *Manuel Luís de Fraga* e de *Ana Margarida* *de Mesquita* e neto materno de *Manuel Pimentel Nóia* e de *Mariana de Jesus*. Foi cura na Matriz de Santa Cruz pelo menos 1857 a 1860, tendo sido nesse ano colcado como vigário em Ponta Delgada, onde se mantuve até Agosto de 1901, desempenhando também ali, durante mais de quatro décadas, o cargo de ouvidor eclesiástico do concelho de Santa Cruz.. Era *pregador régio* (1879), *cónego honorário* (1888) e *desembargador* *honorário da Cúria Patriarcal. * Faleceu em Santa Cruz a 19 Dezembro de 1906, tendo deixado em testamento 50$000 reis á igreja de S.Pedro de Ponta Delgada. An explanation of his titles show he would be regarded as important as a Cardinal to the island. He was the : *Ouvidor Eclesiastico*- ecclesiastical judge of the Concelho de Santa Cruz. *Conego Honorario- *Honorary Canon- The title of Canon is still given in many dioceses to senior parish priests as a largely honorary title. It is usually awarded in recognition of long and dedicated service to the diocese. Honorary canons are members of the chapter in name but are non-residential and receive no emoluments. They are entitled to call themselves canon and have a role in the administration of the cathedral. His obituary shows he was an honorary Canon of the See of Angra. This was the head of the church for the western group of the Azores ** *Desembargador honorario da Curia Patriacal*- Honorary Judge of the Patriarchal Curia- Patriarchates have an assembly called the Patriarchal Curia, which assists the major archbishop in administering the sui juris church. The patriarchal curia is distinct from the diocesan or eparchal curia of the patriarch or major archbishop's diocese or eparchy. The patriarchal curia consists of the permanent synod of the Church, the chancellor, assistant chancellor, and notaries, the patriarchal finance officer, the patriarchal liturgical commission and other patriarchal commissions, and the patriarchal tribunal Up to three bishops may be elected specifically to serve in the patriarchal curia. The last part shows he left in his will, $50,000 to the church of Sao Pedro at Ponta Delgada. For 1906 it shows a man of substantial means. I've attached his obito from the CCA website Eric Edgar On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:12 PM, bigal...@aol.com wrote: Hi Eric My father was Manuel J. Sequeira born 1891 New Bedford MA. When he was the age for schooling he was sent to Flores for private tutoring. My cousin say he stayed at my grandmother's uncles place. She says that this uncle was a Cardinal who had his own crest and lived in a mansion. My grandmother was Anna Lourenco born 1872 in Santa Crus Flores. The church that they used was Sao Pedro in Ponta DelGarda Flores. Her godfather was Reverend Vicar Jose Maria Da Silveira Ecclesiastic Listener of this Council And Godmother was Dona Maria Margaride De Crotona Borges. Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/24/2010 10:12:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, noblankt...@gmail.com writes: Al, The postion of Cardinal is not an integral part of the theological structure of the Catholic Church, but largely an honorific distinction. Since the 1200s they have been appointed from outside Rome, but assigned to a church in Rome. I'd guess that the uncle had retired from that position back to his home. I have a copy of the ANP Gomes book , *A Ilha das Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade .* It lists the priests who served in each parish in Flores,as well as those assigned to other functions. With your fathers name and town of residence at the time, maybe we can track him down.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardinals living in Flores
Eric I have her baptism record which shows her birth date as 25 July 1872 in the church of Saint Peter in Santa Cruz. Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/30/2010 5:24:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, noblankt...@gmail.com writes: Al, I've seen many records where a priest was listed as a padrinho. Since both Manuel Lourenco Matias and Mariana de Jesus were born with pai incognito there may have been a lack of male relatives. Since a purpose of a padrinho is to direct spiritual growth, having a priest would ensure that. I've seen some trees at Ancestry for this family with Anna being born in 1873, but can't find her baptism record in any local parish from 1872 to 1880. I've checked Ponta Delgada, Cedros, Santa Cruz, and Caveira. Eric Edgar On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:00 AM, _bigal...@aol.com_ (mailto:bigal...@aol.com) wrote: Hi Eric I can't establish a connection to Jose Maria da Silveira so I was wondering if in those days people would have a friend as godfather and or godmother? Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/28/2010 5:18:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _noblankt...@gmail.com_ (mailto:noblankt...@gmail.com) writes: Al, I agree with Nancy that there were no Cardinals native to Flores. I beleive that the rich uncle was in fact the godfather, Jose Maria de Silveira. Here is the entry for him from the Flores History Jose Maria da Silveira- Nasceu em Santa Cruz, por volta de 1831, e era filho de José Jacinto da Silveira e de Catarina Jacinta de Mesquita, que haviam casado 6 de Junho de 1830, sendo neto paterno de Manuel Luís de Fraga e de Ana Margarida de Mesquita e neto materno de Manuel Pimentel Nóia e de Mariana de Jesus. Foi cura na Matriz de Santa Cruz pelo menos 1857 a 1860, tendo sido nesse ano colcado como vigário em Ponta Delgada, onde se mantuve até Agosto de 1901, desempenhando também ali, durante mais de quatro décadas, o cargo de ouvidor eclesiástico do concelho de Santa Cruz.. Era pregador régio (1879), cónego honorário (1888) e desembargador honorário da Cúria Patriarcal. Faleceu em Santa Cruz a 19 Dezembro de 1906, tendo deixado em testamento 50$000 reis á igreja de S.Pedro de Ponta Delgada. An explanation of his titles show he would be regarded as important as a Cardinal to the island. He was the : Ouvidor Eclesiastico- ecclesiastical judge of the Concelho de Santa Cruz. Conego Honorario- Honorary Canon- The title of Canon is still given in many dioceses to senior parish priests as a largely honorary title. It is usually awarded in recognition of long and dedicated service to the diocese. Honorary canons are members of the chapter in name but are non-residential and receive no emoluments. They are entitled to call themselves canon and have a role in the administration of the cathedral. His obituary shows he was an honorary Canon of the See of Angra. This was the head of the church for the western group of the Azores Desembargador honorario da Curia Patriacal- Honorary Judge of the Patriarchal Curia- Patriarchates have an assembly called the Patriarchal Curia, which assists the major archbishop in administering the sui juris church. The patriarchal curia is distinct from the diocesan or eparchal curia of the patriarch or major archbishop's diocese or eparchy. The patriarchal curia consists of the permanent synod of the Church, the chancellor, assistant chancellor, and notaries, the patriarchal finance officer, the patriarchal liturgical commission and other patriarchal commissions, and the patriarchal tribunal Up to three bishops may be elected specifically to serve in the patriarchal curia. The last part shows he left in his will, $50,000 to the church of Sao Pedro at Ponta Delgada. For 1906 it shows a man of substantial means. I've attached his obito from the CCA website Eric Edgar On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:12 PM, _bigal...@aol.com_ (mailto:bigal...@aol.com) wrote: Hi Eric My father was Manuel J. Sequeira born 1891 New Bedford MA. When he was the age for schooling he was sent to Flores for private tutoring. My cousin say he stayed at my grandmother's uncles place. She says that this uncle was a Cardinal who had his own crest and lived in a mansion. My grandmother was Anna Lourenco born 1872 in Santa Crus Flores. The church that they used was Sao Pedro in Ponta DelGarda Flores. Her godfather was Reverend Vicar Jose Maria Da Silveira Ecclesiastic Listener of this Council And Godmother was Dona Maria Margaride De Crotona Borges. Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/24/2010 10:12:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _noblankt...@gmail.com_ (mailto:noblankt...@gmail.com) writes: Al, The postion of Cardinal is not an integral part of the theological structure of the Catholic Church, but largely an honorific distinction. Since the 1200s they have been appointed from outside Rome, but assigned to a
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardinals living in Flores
Eric I have her baptism record which shows her birth date as 25 July 1872 in the church of Saint Peter in Santa Cruz. Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/30/2010 5:24:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, noblankt...@gmail.com writes: Al, I've seen many records where a priest was listed as a padrinho. Since both Manuel Lourenco Matias and Mariana de Jesus were born with pai incognito there may have been a lack of male relatives. Since a purpose of a padrinho is to direct spiritual growth, having a priest would ensure that. I've seen some trees at Ancestry for this family with Anna being born in 1873, but can't find her baptism record in any local parish from 1872 to 1880. I've checked Ponta Delgada, Cedros, Santa Cruz, and Caveira. Eric Edgar On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:00 AM, _bigal...@aol.com_ (mailto:bigal...@aol.com) wrote: Hi Eric I can't establish a connection to Jose Maria da Silveira so I was wondering if in those days people would have a friend as godfather and or godmother? Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/28/2010 5:18:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _noblankt...@gmail.com_ (mailto:noblankt...@gmail.com) writes: Al, I agree with Nancy that there were no Cardinals native to Flores. I beleive that the rich uncle was in fact the godfather, Jose Maria de Silveira. Here is the entry for him from the Flores History Jose Maria da Silveira- Nasceu em Santa Cruz, por volta de 1831, e era filho de José Jacinto da Silveira e de Catarina Jacinta de Mesquita, que haviam casado 6 de Junho de 1830, sendo neto paterno de Manuel Luís de Fraga e de Ana Margarida de Mesquita e neto materno de Manuel Pimentel Nóia e de Mariana de Jesus. Foi cura na Matriz de Santa Cruz pelo menos 1857 a 1860, tendo sido nesse ano colcado como vigário em Ponta Delgada, onde se mantuve até Agosto de 1901, desempenhando também ali, durante mais de quatro décadas, o cargo de ouvidor eclesiástico do concelho de Santa Cruz.. Era pregador régio (1879), cónego honorário (1888) e desembargador honorário da Cúria Patriarcal. Faleceu em Santa Cruz a 19 Dezembro de 1906, tendo deixado em testamento 50$000 reis á igreja de S.Pedro de Ponta Delgada. An explanation of his titles show he would be regarded as important as a Cardinal to the island. He was the : Ouvidor Eclesiastico- ecclesiastical judge of the Concelho de Santa Cruz. Conego Honorario- Honorary Canon- The title of Canon is still given in many dioceses to senior parish priests as a largely honorary title. It is usually awarded in recognition of long and dedicated service to the diocese. Honorary canons are members of the chapter in name but are non-residential and receive no emoluments. They are entitled to call themselves canon and have a role in the administration of the cathedral. His obituary shows he was an honorary Canon of the See of Angra. This was the head of the church for the western group of the Azores Desembargador honorario da Curia Patriacal- Honorary Judge of the Patriarchal Curia- Patriarchates have an assembly called the Patriarchal Curia, which assists the major archbishop in administering the sui juris church. The patriarchal curia is distinct from the diocesan or eparchal curia of the patriarch or major archbishop's diocese or eparchy. The patriarchal curia consists of the permanent synod of the Church, the chancellor, assistant chancellor, and notaries, the patriarchal finance officer, the patriarchal liturgical commission and other patriarchal commissions, and the patriarchal tribunal Up to three bishops may be elected specifically to serve in the patriarchal curia. The last part shows he left in his will, $50,000 to the church of Sao Pedro at Ponta Delgada. For 1906 it shows a man of substantial means. I've attached his obito from the CCA website Eric Edgar On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:12 PM, _bigal...@aol.com_ (mailto:bigal...@aol.com) wrote: Hi Eric My father was Manuel J. Sequeira born 1891 New Bedford MA. When he was the age for schooling he was sent to Flores for private tutoring. My cousin say he stayed at my grandmother's uncles place. She says that this uncle was a Cardinal who had his own crest and lived in a mansion. My grandmother was Anna Lourenco born 1872 in Santa Crus Flores. The church that they used was Sao Pedro in Ponta DelGarda Flores. Her godfather was Reverend Vicar Jose Maria Da Silveira Ecclesiastic Listener of this Council And Godmother was Dona Maria Margaride De Crotona Borges. Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/24/2010 10:12:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _noblankt...@gmail.com_ (mailto:noblankt...@gmail.com) writes: Al, The postion of Cardinal is not an integral part of the theological structure of the Catholic Church, but largely an honorific distinction. Since the 1200s they have been appointed from outside Rome, but assigned to a
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardinals living in Flores
Hi Eric I want thank you very much for your help. I think from what you have provided that Jose Maria da Silveira was the person that I was looking for. The bad news is that I don't have any of those names in my file. So I can't prove the relationship. Thanks again Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/28/2010 5:18:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, noblankt...@gmail.com writes: Al, I agree with Nancy that there were no Cardinals native to Flores. I beleive that the rich uncle was in fact the godfather, Jose Maria de Silveira. Here is the entry for him from the Flores History Jose Maria da Silveira- Nasceu em Santa Cruz, por volta de 1831, e era filho de José Jacinto da Silveira e de Catarina Jacinta de Mesquita, que haviam casado 6 de Junho de 1830, sendo neto paterno de Manuel Luís de Fraga e de Ana Margarida de Mesquita e neto materno de Manuel Pimentel Nóia e de Mariana de Jesus. Foi cura na Matriz de Santa Cruz pelo menos 1857 a 1860, tendo sido nesse ano colcado como vigário em Ponta Delgada, onde se mantuve até Agosto de 1901, desempenhando também ali, durante mais de quatro décadas, o cargo de ouvidor eclesiástico do concelho de Santa Cruz.. Era pregador régio (1879), cónego honorário (1888) e desembargador honorário da Cúria Patriarcal. Faleceu em Santa Cruz a 19 Dezembro de 1906, tendo deixado em testamento 50$000 reis á igreja de S.Pedro de Ponta Delgada. An explanation of his titles show he would be regarded as important as a Cardinal to the island. He was the : Ouvidor Eclesiastico- ecclesiastical judge of the Concelho de Santa Cruz. Conego Honorario- Honorary Canon- The title of Canon is still given in many dioceses to senior parish priests as a largely honorary title. It is usually awarded in recognition of long and dedicated service to the diocese. Honorary canons are members of the chapter in name but are non-residential and receive no emoluments. They are entitled to call themselves canon and have a role in the administration of the cathedral. His obituary shows he was an honorary Canon of the See of Angra. This was the head of the church for the western group of the Azores Desembargador honorario da Curia Patriacal- Honorary Judge of the Patriarchal Curia- Patriarchates have an assembly called the Patriarchal Curia, which assists the major archbishop in administering the sui juris church. The patriarchal curia is distinct from the diocesan or eparchal curia of the patriarch or major archbishop's diocese or eparchy. The patriarchal curia consists of the permanent synod of the Church, the chancellor, assistant chancellor, and notaries, the patriarchal finance officer, the patriarchal liturgical commission and other patriarchal commissions, and the patriarchal tribunal Up to three bishops may be elected specifically to serve in the patriarchal curia. The last part shows he left in his will, $50,000 to the church of Sao Pedro at Ponta Delgada. For 1906 it shows a man of substantial means. I've attached his obito from the CCA website Eric Edgar On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:12 PM, _bigal...@aol.com_ (mailto:bigal...@aol.com) wrote: Hi Eric My father was Manuel J. Sequeira born 1891 New Bedford MA. When he was the age for schooling he was sent to Flores for private tutoring. My cousin say he stayed at my grandmother's uncles place. She says that this uncle was a Cardinal who had his own crest and lived in a mansion. My grandmother was Anna Lourenco born 1872 in Santa Crus Flores. The church that they used was Sao Pedro in Ponta DelGarda Flores. Her godfather was Reverend Vicar Jose Maria Da Silveira Ecclesiastic Listener of this Council And Godmother was Dona Maria Margaride De Crotona Borges. Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/24/2010 10:12:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _noblankt...@gmail.com_ (mailto:noblankt...@gmail.com) writes: Al, The postion of Cardinal is not an integral part of the theological structure of the Catholic Church, but largely an honorific distinction. Since the 1200s they have been appointed from outside Rome, but assigned to a church in Rome. I'd guess that the uncle had retired from that position back to his home. I have a copy of the ANP Gomes book , A Ilha das Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade . It lists the priests who served in each parish in Flores,as well as those assigned to other functions. With your fathers name and town of residence at the time, maybe we can track him down. Possibly his passport returniung to the US would list the Uncles name. Eric Edgar On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:12 AM, _bigal...@aol.com_ (mailto:bigal...@aol.com) wrote: Hi Cheri I do not have the uncle's name. He supposedly lived in a big house with a stone fence and pillars that you went through to get to the house. He also had some kind of crest associated with him. Al Sequeira In a message dated
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardinals living in Flores
Hi Al, Your grandmothers name as Anna Lourenco born in Santa Cruz doesn't match but..I remember that you have a Pico connection and I seem to remember that possibly it was to Candelaria and/or Sao Mateus. Cardinal Jose da Costa da Nunes was born in Candelaria. His mansion there has a wall around it that you have to go through to go up onto the veranda and the door. It's very elegant. Is there a mansion associated with a Cardinal similar to that on Flores? I ask because your story is familiar to my grandmothers. She was from Candelaria but they came to New Bedford in 1907. Her maternal greatuncle was Cardinal da Nunes. They told a story of his helping with education for family members and the mansion that he lived in when he came back to Pico where he is buried in the sarcophagus in the church in Candelaria. Could there be a connection? Nancy Jean Baptista From: bigal...@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 23:12:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardinals living in Flores To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi Eric My father was Manuel J. Sequeira born 1891 New Bedford MA. When he was the age for schooling he was sent to Flores for private tutoring. My cousin say he stayed at my grandmother's uncles place. She says that this uncle was a Cardinal who had his own crest and lived in a mansion. My grandmother was Anna Lourenco born 1872 in Santa Crus Flores. The church that they used was Sao Pedro in Ponta DelGarda Flores. Her godfather was Reverend Vicar Jose Maria Da Silveira Ecclesiastic Listener of this Council And Godmother was Dona Maria Margaride De Crotona Borges. Al Sequeira On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:12 AM, bigal...@aol.com wrote: Hi Cheri I do not have the uncle's name. He supposedly lived in a big house with a stone fence and pillars that you went through to get to the house. He also had some kind of crest associated with him. Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/23/2010 11:53:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: Al, A History of the Azores Islands names the only two: Jose da Costa Nunes and Humberto de Sousa Medeiros (pp. 454-455). Neither Cardinal was born on Flores or retired there. I checked the Bishops section and didn't find any in that time period either. Could this uncle have been a priest and the story was changed? Do you have the uncle's name? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
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Hi Nancy Your message was very interesting, but I think I would have to prove that Cardinal Jose da Costa da Nunes was my Grandmother's uncle. Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/27/2010 4:31:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fishsongf...@hotmail.com writes: -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardinals living in Flores
Hi Edgar, Do you mind if I tune in at this stage? In your ANP Gomes book. A Ilha da Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade which lists the priests who served each parish in Flores, would it happen to list Augustine (Agostinho) Silveira possibly during the years 1815-1840? In an old letter I read that Augustine was from Flores and Faial. Joy - Original Message - From: eric edgar To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardinals living in Flores Al, The postion of Cardinal is not an integral part of the theological structure of the Catholic Church, but largely an honorific distinction. Since the 1200s they have been appointed from outside Rome, but assigned to a church in Rome. I'd guess that the uncle had retired from that position back to his home. I have a copy of the ANP Gomes book , A Ilha das Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade . It lists the priests who served in each parish in Flores,as well as those assigned to other functions. With your fathers name and town of residence at the time, maybe we can track him down. Possibly his passport returniung to the US would list the Uncles name. Eric Edgar On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:12 AM, bigal...@aol.com wrote: Hi Cheri I do not have the uncle's name. He supposedly lived in a big house with a stone fence and pillars that you went through to get to the house. He also had some kind of crest associated with him. Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/23/2010 11:53:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: Al, A History of the Azores Islands names the only two: Jose da Costa Nunes and Humberto de Sousa Medeiros (pp. 454-455). Neither Cardinal was born on Flores or retired there. I checked the Bishops section and didn't find any in that time period either. Could this uncle have been a priest and the story was changed? Do you have the uncle's name? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3276 - Release Date: 11/24/10 18:34:00 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardinals living in Flores
Hi Eric My father was Manuel J. Sequeira born 1891 New Bedford MA. When he was the age for schooling he was sent to Flores for private tutoring. My cousin say he stayed at my grandmother's uncles place. She says that this uncle was a Cardinal who had his own crest and lived in a mansion. My grandmother was Anna Lourenco born 1872 in Santa Crus Flores. The church that they used was Sao Pedro in Ponta DelGarda Flores. Her godfather was Reverend Vicar Jose Maria Da Silveira Ecclesiastic Listener of this Council And Godmother was Dona Maria Margaride De Crotona Borges. Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/24/2010 10:12:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, noblankt...@gmail.com writes: Al, The postion of Cardinal is not an integral part of the theological structure of the Catholic Church, but largely an honorific distinction. Since the 1200s they have been appointed from outside Rome, but assigned to a church in Rome. I'd guess that the uncle had retired from that position back to his home. I have a copy of the ANP Gomes book , A Ilha das Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade . It lists the priests who served in each parish in Flores,as well as those assigned to other functions. With your fathers name and town of residence at the time, maybe we can track him down. Possibly his passport returniung to the US would list the Uncles name. Eric Edgar On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:12 AM, _bigal...@aol.com_ (mailto:bigal...@aol.com) wrote: Hi Cheri I do not have the uncle's name. He supposedly lived in a big house with a stone fence and pillars that you went through to get to the house. He also had some kind of crest associated with him. Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/23/2010 11:53:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _gfsche...@gmail.com_ (mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com) writes: Al, A History of the Azores Islands names the only two: Jose da Costa Nunes and Humberto de Sousa Medeiros (pp. 454-455). Neither Cardinal was born on Flores or retired there. I checked the Bishops section and didn't find any in that time period either. Could this uncle have been a priest and the story was changed? Do you have the uncle's name? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to _azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/group/Azores_ (http://groups.google.com/group/Azores) . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to _azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/group/Azores_ (http://groups.google.com/group/Azores) . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/group/Azores_ (http://groups.google.com/group/Azores) . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardinals living in Flores
Hi Cheri I do not have the uncle's name. He supposedly lived in a big house with a stone fence and pillars that you went through to get to the house. He also had some kind of crest associated with him. Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/23/2010 11:53:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: Al, A History of the Azores Islands names the only two: Jose da Costa Nunes and Humberto de Sousa Medeiros (pp. 454-455). Neither Cardinal was born on Flores or retired there. I checked the Bishops section and didn't find any in that time period either. Could this uncle have been a priest and the story was changed? Do you have the uncle's name? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/group/Azores_ (http://groups.google.com/group/Azores) . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardinals living in Flores
Al, The postion of Cardinal is not an integral part of the theological structure of the Catholic Church, but largely an honorific distinction. Since the 1200s they have been appointed from outside Rome, but assigned to a church in Rome. I'd guess that the uncle had retired from that position back to his home. I have a copy of the ANP Gomes book , *A Ilha das Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade .* It lists the priests who served in each parish in Flores,as well as those assigned to other functions. With your fathers name and town of residence at the time, maybe we can track him down. Possibly his passport returniung to the US would list the Uncles name. Eric Edgar On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:12 AM, bigal...@aol.com wrote: Hi Cheri I do not have the uncle's name. He supposedly lived in a big house with a stone fence and pillars that you went through to get to the house. He also had some kind of crest associated with him. Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/23/2010 11:53:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: Al, A History of the Azores Islands names the only two: Jose da Costa Nunes and Humberto de Sousa Medeiros (pp. 454-455). Neither Cardinal was born on Flores or retired there. I checked the Bishops section and didn't find any in that time period either. Could this uncle have been a priest and the story was changed? Do you have the uncle's name? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardinals living in Flores
Al, A History of the Azores Islands names the only two: Jose da Costa Nunes and Humberto de Sousa Medeiros (pp. 454-455). Neither Cardinal was born on Flores or retired there. I checked the Bishops section and didn't find any in that time period either. Could this uncle have been a priest and the story was changed? Do you have the uncle's name? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
