Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
I also want to congratulate Cheri on her many years of hard work and her common sense. She is always willing to help with questions. I have been on this list from the beginning and know about Doug and his reputation I did a lot of genealogy for people over the years and at no cost for most. Now I mostly lurk and am amazed at the growth of the group and how many people help others. Keep up the wonderful job! Arline Silveira -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
Arline; Just wanted to point out all the help you have given so many of us, myself definitely included, over the years. Haven’t seen you online in a long time. You got me started and I am still most appreciative. Sam (currently in South Carolina) Sent from Windows Mail From: 'sarab...@aol.com' via Azores Genealogy Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 2:21 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com I also want to congratulate Cheri on her many years of hard work and her common sense. She is always willing to help with questions. I have been on this list from the beginning and know about Doug and his reputation I did a lot of genealogy for people over the years and at no cost for most. Now I mostly lurk and am amazed at the growth of the group and how many people help others. Keep up the wonderful job! Arline Silveira -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
I have been a lurker for a few years now. I try to help when I can, and have been helped greatly in return. I'm always looking for names I recognize, or villages where my ancestors came from, and am eternally grateful from the help of EVERYONE on this list. I also just might be the only person on here who wasn't offended by Doug's post. I saw no malicious intent whatsoever. I am disturbed by some of the reactions though, my mother (as I'm sure all your mothers did) taught me that if you can't say anything nicethen don't say anything at all. I hate to see the bickering among us, as most of us are one big family! (some even by blood!) :) On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Mike mgilfilia...@gmail.com wrote: I joined the list 2 years ago when I asked a question about DNA and got my reply from Cheri. She kindly spent almost 2 hours on the phone with me the next day and helped me get going. Now I definately am one of the LURKERS our there, it's not because I don't want to help but it's more that I really shouldn't. I don't know enough, I can't read the handwritten script at the CCA despite my computers best effort to clear up the images for me. But I look at every post that you all put up on the board, every one of them! I have learned so much, I don't ask many questions, I want to find some things myself. Please keep posting, keep teaching, I really appreciate all of you. Mike Leal Da Rosa, Piedade,PicoPinheiro, Cedros, Pereira, Faial On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:22:47 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says Thanks! is imposing on people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical search. After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, I know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a question in private. Same thing with this list. The vast majority of people read, take the information, and walk away with it. Some people raise their hand (post) their question for all to see. And a few email privately to ask a question. Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the underlying intent of that post. You'll give people a gift who email you? Geez, you're sounding like a used car salesman! All of us who have been into this awhile know you do research for hire. It's posted on the Azores GenWeb for all to see along with the list of other researchers for hire. And when someone asks for a researcher for hire, I post that link. So if you are drumming up business, just say so. But to bribe people with a giftsounds like those time share things where you sit for 3 hours and listen to their spiel for the gift at the end. And we all know that many of those things are shady. I'm sure you don't want to be known as the shady genealogist! And the DNA offer? Sorry to tell you this, but we've already been doing fundraising. We've raised funds for certain lines that we wanted tested and the money was put into the General Fund at FTDNA. Basically an escrow account. That way, I don't have to handle the money and try to keep track of it. Money can create problems. Just giving money to one person with no backingI prefer the fiduciary set up that FTDNA has. And it was nice having it there in another project I manage. People contributed money towards a kit and then they decided not to pursue that line. FTDNA knew who donated what and refunded it all back. Seriously, people are going to send you money and for all we know, you're using it to buy something you've been eyeballing! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
Ditto to what Cheryl said. Maria Natalia -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
Another Lurker here. I appreciate Cheri's hard work in managing this listserv, as well as to all who have helped me in the past. I second Cheryl's post. Doug, too, has been a great help to me in the past. I was not offended by his post either. That makes two of us, Cheryl. Paz, Guida Leicester (searching Azevedo) On Sunday, May 18, 2014 5:37 PM, Cheryl Lawrence cheryl...@gmail.com wrote: I have been a lurker for a few years now. I try to help when I can, and have been helped greatly in return. I'm always looking for names I recognize, or villages where my ancestors came from, and am eternally grateful from the help of EVERYONE on this list. I also just might be the only person on here who wasn't offended by Doug's post. I saw no malicious intent whatsoever. I am disturbed by some of the reactions though, my mother (as I'm sure all your mothers did) taught me that if you can't say anything nicethen don't say anything at all. I hate to see the bickering among us, as most of us are one big family! (some even by blood!) :) On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Mike mgilfilia...@gmail.com wrote: I joined the list 2 years ago when I asked a question about DNA and got my reply from Cheri. She kindly spent almost 2 hours on the phone with me the next day and helped me get going. Now I definately am one of the LURKERS our there, it's not because I don't want to help but it's more that I really shouldn't. I don't know enough, I can't read the handwritten script at the CCA despite my computers best effort to clear up the images for me. But I look at every post that you all put up on the board, every one of them! I have learned so much, I don't ask many questions, I want to find some things myself. Please keep posting, keep teaching, I really appreciate all of you. Mike Leal Da Rosa, Piedade,Pico Pinheiro, Cedros, Pereira, Faial On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:22:47 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says Thanks! is imposing on people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical search. After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, I know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a question in private. Same thing with this list. The vast majority of people read, take the information, and walk away with it. Some people raise their hand (post) their question for all to see. And a few email privately to ask a question. Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the underlying intent of that post. You'll give people a gift who email you? Geez, you're sounding like a used car salesman! All of us who have been into this awhile know you do research for hire. It's posted on the Azores GenWeb for all to see along with the list of other researchers for hire. And when someone asks for a researcher for hire, I post that link. So if you are drumming up business, just say so. But to bribe people with a giftsounds like those time share things where you sit for 3 hours and listen to their spiel for the gift at the end. And we all know that many of those things are shady. I'm sure you don't want to be known as the shady genealogist! And the DNA offer? Sorry to tell you this, but we've already been doing fundraising. We've raised funds for certain lines that we wanted tested and the money was put into the General Fund at FTDNA. Basically an escrow account. That way, I don't have to handle the money and try to keep track of it. Money can create problems. Just giving money to one person with no backingI prefer the fiduciary set up that FTDNA has. And it was nice having it there in another project I manage. People contributed money towards a kit and then they decided not to pursue that line. FTDNA knew who donated what and refunded it all back. Seriously, people are going to send you money and for all we know, you're using it to buy something you've been eyeballing! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
I contributed earlier when I felt I could help with something. As of late I am I guess a lurker. I appreciate all the information and help I have received from many. Certainly Cheryl, Rosemary, Eric and Doug have all helped me from time to time. Cheryl I am very grateful you took this task on. Eric helped me big time with Pleasanton people, the Anselmo's and Dutra's. Melanie really helped me with my Hawaiian connection. I, like Cheryl Lawrence, was not offended by Doug's note. I just thought he was trying to motivate us. I'm sorry some people were unhappy. Hopefully this is a minor bump in the road. Thank You, Pat Nostrome Vieira Anselmo, Sao Miguel Pereira Dutra, Pico -Original Message- From: Cheryl Lawrence cheryl...@gmail.com To: azores azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, May 18, 2014 4:37 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising I have been a lurker for a few years now. I try to help when I can, and have been helped greatly in return. I'm always looking for names I recognize, or villages where my ancestors came from, and am eternally grateful from the help of EVERYONE on this list. I also just might be the only person on here who wasn't offended by Doug's post. I saw no malicious intent whatsoever. I am disturbed by some of the reactions though, my mother (as I'm sure all your mothers did) taught me that if you can't say anything nicethen don't say anything at all. I hate to see the bickering among us, as most of us are one big family! (some even by blood!) :) On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Mike mgilfilia...@gmail.com wrote: I joined the list 2 years ago when I asked a question about DNA and got my reply from Cheri. She kindly spent almost 2 hours on the phone with me the next day and helped me get going. Now I definately am one of the LURKERS our there, it's not because I don't want to help but it's more that I really shouldn't. I don't know enough, I can't read the handwritten script at the CCA despite my computers best effort to clear up the images for me. But I look at every post that you all put up on the board, every one of them! I have learned so much, I don't ask many questions, I want to find some things myself. Please keep posting, keep teaching, I really appreciate all of you. Mike Leal Da Rosa, Piedade,PicoPinheiro, Cedros, Pereira, Faial On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:22:47 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says Thanks! is imposing on people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical search. After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, I know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a question in private. Same thing with this list. The vast majority of people read, take the information, and walk away with it. Some people raise their hand (post) their question for all to see. And a few email privately to ask a question. Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the underlying intent of that post. You'll give people a gift who email you? Geez, you're sounding like a used car salesman! All of us who have been into this awhile know you do research for hire. It's posted on the Azores GenWeb for all to see along with the list of other researchers for hire. And when someone asks for a researcher for hire, I post that link. So if you are drumming up business, just say so. But to bribe people with a giftsounds like those time share things where you sit for 3 hours and listen to their spiel for the gift at the end. And we all know that many of those things are shady. I'm sure you don't want to be known as the shady genealogist! And the DNA offer? Sorry to tell you this, but we've already been doing fundraising. We've raised funds for certain lines that we wanted tested and the money was put into the General Fund at FTDNA. Basically an escrow account. That way, I don't have to handle the money and try to keep track of it. Money can create problems. Just giving money to one person with no backingI prefer the fiduciary set up that FTDNA has. And it was nice having it there in another project I manage. People
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
Cheryl, I am sorry that reading some of our posts was upsetting to you. Speaking for myself, in order for you to understand my reaction towards Mr. Holmes and his intent to entice someone with gifts in order to get their DNA, I recommend you read Rebecca Skloot book entitled, the Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks. It was a required read in my doctorate program at Duke University. If the book is too long, here is a short snippet from The New York Times - Sunday Review - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/opinion/sunday/the-immortal-life-of-henrietta-lacks-the-sequel.html?pagewanted=all_r=0 Aside from the misuse of someone's DNA, there are other reasons why I question Mr. Holmes integrity. I was a victim of his fraudulent web site. I will leave it as that. I would hope that you don't get sucked into these enticements. But how would you know if no one said anything. I look forward to putting this day behind us and enjoy the comrade of this group. Like you said, we are all one big family, and many of us are blood. I'd like to keep those positive thoughts in my head and not the latter. Again, thank-you for your post. Best regards, grace Searching family names on the island Sao Miguel, Acores- Pacheco Sant'Anna, Pacheco-Moniz, Pacheco da Silva, Pereira, Figueira, da Costa Canario, Carvalho, de Medeiros, de Melo, Vieira, da Silva, de Viveiros, Tavares, Arruda, de Arruda, Futado Teixeira Primary villages on the island of San Miguel, Azores- Furnas, Maia, Lomba da Maia, Porto Formoso, and Nordeste -Original Message- From: Cheryl Lawrence cheryl...@gmail.com To: azores azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, May 18, 2014 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising I have been a lurker for a few years now. I try to help when I can, and have been helped greatly in return. I'm always looking for names I recognize, or villages where my ancestors came from, and am eternally grateful from the help of EVERYONE on this list. I also just might be the only person on here who wasn't offended by Doug's post. I saw no malicious intent whatsoever. I am disturbed by some of the reactions though, my mother (as I'm sure all your mothers did) taught me that if you can't say anything nicethen don't say anything at all. I hate to see the bickering among us, as most of us are one big family! (some even by blood!) :) On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Mike mgilfilia...@gmail.com wrote: I joined the list 2 years ago when I asked a question about DNA and got my reply from Cheri. She kindly spent almost 2 hours on the phone with me the next day and helped me get going. Now I definately am one of the LURKERS our there, it's not because I don't want to help but it's more that I really shouldn't. I don't know enough, I can't read the handwritten script at the CCA despite my computers best effort to clear up the images for me. But I look at every post that you all put up on the board, every one of them! I have learned so much, I don't ask many questions, I want to find some things myself. Please keep posting, keep teaching, I really appreciate all of you. Mike Leal Da Rosa, Piedade,PicoPinheiro, Cedros, Pereira, Faial On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:22:47 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Doug, I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and clicking the About link. The only reason I mention it is to make people aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says Thanks! is imposing on people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical search. After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, I know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a question in private. Same thing with this list. The vast majority of people read, take the information, and walk away with it. Some people raise their hand (post) their question for all to see. And a few email privately to ask a question. Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the underlying intent of that post. You'll give people a gift who email you? Geez, you're sounding like a used car salesman! All of us who have been into this awhile know you do research for hire. It's posted on the Azores GenWeb for all to see along with the list of other researchers for hire. And when someone asks
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
Hello, I think its good to air out differences, preferably in private. But, now that the cat is out of the bag... I would say that it is okay to have differences, and there is no reason why this should change anything. I will say this, both Cheri and Doug are consumate genealogists, and if it were not for them, and the many others on here that go out of there way to help us, I wouldn't have made the progress I have. I'm sure I'm reiterating most others setiments. When I first started this passion of mine, both Cheri and Doug contacted me and offered help. I read their posts, we all do. They're both very passionate about theirs, and our ancestors. I would like Cheri and Doug to know that the passion and love you both show for Azorean genealogy does not go unnoticed; it spreads to the rest of us. Thats why we're all here. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
