Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Returning Home to Azores from US

2017-03-14 Thread "E" Sharp 
Did you see some of the fees for these records!!  Unbelievable!!!

"E"

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Jeremy, From the link Marilyn provided:
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Regarding your letter: If it doesn't ask to state your relationship to the
> deceased, don't. And if it does, you can be the grandson or the
> great-grandson.
>
> The FOIA G-639 is here. I'd fill that out too: https://www.uscis.gov/g-639
>
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 1:03 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> The privacy laws mentioned so not apply in cases where the person listed
>> on the record is deceased - assuming you are able to provide a death
>> certificate (I can provide the consular certificates of death of an
>> American citizen abroad)
>>
>> Unfortunately it was finally in 1930.
>>
>> Below is a copy of the request I was planning on sending out prior to the
>> phone conversation
>>
>>
>> "To whom it may concern,
>>
>> I am requesting a copy of passport No. 233977 of May 13th, 1930. It is
>> for a Mr. Antonio Machado Cardoza AKA Cardozo/Cardoso.  He was born on
>> January 5th, 1879 in Sao Thiago, Faja Dos Cubres, Ribeira Seca, St. George,
>> Azores, became a citizen of the United States in 1904 at the San Luis
>> Obispo, CA Superior Court., and died in Sao Thiago, Faja Dos Cubres,
>> Ribeira Seca, St. George, Azores on January 26th 1933.  The deceased was my
>> great-great-uncle.  Enclosed you will find a copy of a report of his death
>> from the United States Consular Service, and of both sides of my
>> government-issued photo identification. As he is deceased, I believe this
>> third-party request for the record of a deceased person falls under FOIA.
>>  I do not require this copy to be apostilled or certified."
>>
>>
>> My uncle was in the US by like 1902 but was gone someone shortly
>> following 1911. He is on the 1910 cencus in Morro Bay, CA.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Returning Home to Azores from US

2017-03-14 Thread Cheri Mello 
Jeremy, From the link Marilyn provided:
[image: Inline image 1]

Regarding your letter: If it doesn't ask to state your relationship to the
deceased, don't. And if it does, you can be the grandson or the
great-grandson.

The FOIA G-639 is here. I'd fill that out too: https://www.uscis.gov/g-639

Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 1:03 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The privacy laws mentioned so not apply in cases where the person listed
> on the record is deceased - assuming you are able to provide a death
> certificate (I can provide the consular certificates of death of an
> American citizen abroad)
>
> Unfortunately it was finally in 1930.
>
> Below is a copy of the request I was planning on sending out prior to the
> phone conversation
>
>
> "To whom it may concern,
>
> I am requesting a copy of passport No. 233977 of May 13th, 1930. It is for
> a Mr. Antonio Machado Cardoza AKA Cardozo/Cardoso.  He was born on January
> 5th, 1879 in Sao Thiago, Faja Dos Cubres, Ribeira Seca, St. George, Azores,
> became a citizen of the United States in 1904 at the San Luis Obispo, CA
> Superior Court., and died in Sao Thiago, Faja Dos Cubres, Ribeira Seca, St.
> George, Azores on January 26th 1933.  The deceased was my
> great-great-uncle.  Enclosed you will find a copy of a report of his death
> from the United States Consular Service, and of both sides of my
> government-issued photo identification. As he is deceased, I believe this
> third-party request for the record of a deceased person falls under FOIA.
>  I do not require this copy to be apostilled or certified."
>
>
> My uncle was in the US by like 1902 but was gone someone shortly following
> 1911. He is on the 1910 cencus in Morro Bay, CA.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeremy
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Returning Home to Azores from US

2017-03-14 Thread 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy 
The privacy laws mentioned so not apply in cases where the person listed on the 
record is deceased - assuming you are able to provide a death certificate (I 
can provide the consular certificates of death of an American citizen abroad)

Unfortunately it was finally in 1930.

Below is a copy of the request I was planning on sending out prior to the phone 
conversation


"To whom it may concern,

I am requesting a copy of passport No. 233977 of May 13th, 1930. It is for a 
Mr. Antonio Machado Cardoza AKA Cardozo/Cardoso.  He was born on January 5th, 
1879 in Sao Thiago, Faja Dos Cubres, Ribeira Seca, St. George, Azores, became a 
citizen of the United States in 1904 at the San Luis Obispo, CA Superior 
Court., and died in Sao Thiago, Faja Dos Cubres, Ribeira Seca, St. George, 
Azores on January 26th 1933.  The deceased was my great-great-uncle.  Enclosed 
you will find a copy of a report of his death from the United States Consular 
Service, and of both sides of my government-issued photo identification. As he 
is deceased, I believe this third-party request for the record of a deceased 
person falls under FOIA.   I do not require this copy to be apostilled or 
certified."


My uncle was in the US by like 1902 but was gone someone shortly following 
1911. He is on the 1910 cencus in Morro Bay, CA.

Thanks,

Jeremy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Returning Home to Azores from US

2017-03-14 Thread 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy 
Yes, that collection has the consular death certificates in it, and they is 
where I found him. Subsequently providing me with the dates and issue number of 
his passport.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Returning Home to Azores from US

2017-03-14 Thread Marilyn Thompson 
Jeremy

I did not see what your relationship is to the person you are seeking a
copy of their passport.

I did a google search asking "How to obtain a copy of a US Passport issued
in 1930?" the following link says they are protected by the Privacy Act of
1974.

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/passports/services/obtain-copies-of-passport-records.html

It gives the full requirements and procedures.

Hope this helps

Just a thought - did you check Ancestry to make sure the passport was not
obtained before 1925? It looks like Ancestry records for passports only go
to 1925

Marilyn

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 12:30 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Jeremy,
>
> Coming in late on this but I was helping someone and found their relative
> listed on Ancestry listed under Report of Deaths of American Citizens
> Abroad, 1835-1974.  No picture though.  She was not born in the country.
> It says her certificate of naturalization was left in this country.  She
> died in her home country. It gave her U. S. passport number and when it was
> issued and says it was returned to a family member.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Returning Home to Azores from US

2017-03-14 Thread "E" Sharp 
Jeremy,

Coming in late on this but I was helping someone and found their relative
listed on Ancestry listed under Report of Deaths of American Citizens
Abroad, 1835-1974.  No picture though.  She was not born in the country.
It says her certificate of naturalization was left in this country.  She
died in her home country. It gave her U. S. passport number and when it was
issued and says it was returned to a family member.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Returning Home to Azores from US

2017-03-14 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci 
Jeremy, that sounds like a bunch of bull. It should be under the Freedom of
Information Ac (FOIA), if you have proof that he's dead etc. and you are
providing the other info asked for but who knows about Gov't agencies! They
seem to be doing what they want, as they want.

Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:09 AM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Cheri,
>
>
> I have followed the instructions provided about mailing in to the Dept of
> State Office of Law Enforcement Liason for a "Post 1925 passport of a
> deceased person" (The one in question is from 1930, he died in 1933).
>
> Before actually sending off the letter I typed up along with the death
> cert and photo ID, I phoned their office.  The lady did not sound
> particularly knowledgeable about requests for deceased persons, and was
> unable to locate information on procedure for my particular case, but she
> said "Third part requests MUST be certified, and therefore you are
> obligated to pay a $150 search fee".  WHAT CROOKS! $150 for a damn
> passport? As you would say - to much vinho, but they arent even Azorean!
>
> So my question is this: Have you ever actually sent in for a passport in
> this situation? With what results?
>
> More than anything I just want the date he left the US to go back home
> (permanently), and I want his photograph above all!
>
> ,
>
> A VERY frustrated Jeremy
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