RE: [backstage] Prototype: BBCSEARCH (2)
That's kinda cool. Although feels more like a 'customise' style function than a search function. Would be interesting if you could somehow link this to just any text or phrase in an article offering a 'more news like this' feature? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:32 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Prototype: BBCSEARCH (2) This one is _really_ rough. The problem with this one is that it requires more content than the BBC currently provides and working with there designs is not particularly easy :) The common 'web search' is usually list upon list of results. The BBC is perfectly situated to produce really great search result pages as the data is limited and _very_ predictable. So, the following is a very rough demo of what I would "love" to see for BBC search results. You should just type into the usual search box in the top right and the results will automatically load within the page (dont press the search button).. You'll notice the ranking engine pushes the stories out in different areas, almost creating custom BBC look n feel pages relating to your search subject. You'll also notice no change in images as Im unable to get any reference to images relating to stories so you'll have to use your imagination. http://www.webcoding.co.uk/bbcsearch2/index.html jim. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] TV Data bug..
Hi, Program: crid://bbc.co.uk/1103146355 and crid://bbc.co.uk/1103146353 Are the same program, both on BBC 4 Cheers Leo - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TV Data bug..
At 11:04 30/10/2005, you wrote: Hi, Program: crid://bbc.co.uk/1103146355 and crid://bbc.co.uk/1103146353 Are the same program, both on BBC 4 Unfortunately to get 100% accuracy, the programmes should all be matched by hand, possibly by the schedulers. Unfortunately this isn't currently done and repeat programmes are found using a simple algorithm, which occasionally fails as it has in this case. The opposite can occasionally happen when two programmes are matched as repeats, when they're not - usually caused by generic saynopses. There is also a know issue with films that traverse the news, with the two halves not being paired correctly. This is a test environment - it s believed that far more accurate matching will be done should a full broadcast TV-Anytime service be set up. Hywel [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Timezone bug?
Hello, backstagers: It looks like the data generator on the BBC end is having timezone issues -- all data I have for today (from the 20051029 tarball) is an hour off. For a while I thought that it was on my end, but no, the actual XML files get it wrong. Also, I noticed that at least for some shows, the time in the ProgramURL does not agree with the time in the PublishedStartTime by a few minutes. What does this difference represent? Are the PublishedStartTimes simply inaccurate but look nice, or is there something more interesting going on? Also, rather unrelatedly, would it be possible to get the name of the episode in a seperate element from the free-text descriptions? Thank you, -=- James Mastros - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Timezone bug?
At 14:23 30/10/2005, you wrote: Hello, backstagers: It looks like the data generator on the BBC end is having timezone issues -- all data I have for today (from the 20051029 tarball) is an hour off. For a while I thought that it was on my end, but no, the actual XML files get it wrong. Also, I noticed that at least for some shows, the time in the ProgramURL does not agree with the time in the PublishedStartTime by a few minutes. What does this difference represent? Are the PublishedStartTimes simply inaccurate but look nice, or is there something more interesting going on? Also, rather unrelatedly, would it be possible to get the name of the episode in a seperate element from the free-text descriptions? Thank you, -=- James Mastros I can't see anything wrong with the times in the data sets both for today and the 29th's tarball. Remember that they're all in UTC (hence the Z at the end of the time), so anything up until 31st October appears to be out of synch by an hour. I'll look into it in more detail tomorrow to ensure there isn't a problem, but at the end of the day, it's up to the end application to sort out daylight savings. The time difference you're seeing is the difference between the published time and the actual time the playout server was going to show the programme. Sometimes programmes may start early and at other times late. More often or not, these days this is not accidental - prerecorded BBC television services mostly come off servers these days so the timing can be down to the second. Having said that, the figures you're seeing are only a snapshot of the estimated start times at 8am in the morning when the files are generated. These times shift and change throughout the day. The only "anchors" you'll notice are the 1, 6 and 10 o'clock news on BBC One which start at the exact time published. In the future, a TV-Anytime service may be broadcast along with a tv/radio digital service or provided as a live Internet feed and this exact time could be used to, say start a PVR or stream recorder. As to separating the name - I'll look into the TV-Anytime standard to see if there's a field for this (I don't recollect one) when I have that hefty tome on my desk at work tomorrow. The synopsis provided is in fact a slightly cleaned up version of the one that goes out to Sky and Freeview, so to extract the title from the synopsis, I'd have to somehow work out which part of the text is the episode title. If there's a pattern, it's easy to write a filter. Where different schedulers do it in different ways, that's where it gets complicated. Hywel [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Timezone bug?
Looking at the synopses on sky; the episode information is usually the first sentence. On a slightly different note, is there any chance of including episode numbers for more series.. It's handy for shows like QI and Bodies which are prepeated on different channels. I appreciate that it makes little sense for ongoing shows, but for series like "Days that shook the World", which seem to pop up at random, it helps to keep track of what you may have missed - and gives you an idea as to when the current series will end. On 10/30/05, Hywel Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 14:23 30/10/2005, you wrote:>Hello, backstagers:> It looks like the data generator on the BBC end is having timezone >issues -- all data I have for today (from the 20051029 tarball) is an>hour off. For a while I thought that it was on my end, but no, the>actual XML files get it wrong.>>Also, I noticed that at least for some shows, the time in the ProgramURL >does not agree with the time in the PublishedStartTime by a few minutes.>What does this difference represent? Are the PublishedStartTimes simply>inaccurate but look nice, or is there something more interesting going >on?>>Also, rather unrelatedly, would it be possible to get the name of the>episode in a seperate element from the free-text descriptions?>> Thank you,> -=- James Mastros I can't see anything wrong with the times in the data sets both fortoday and the 29th's tarball. Remember that they're all in UTC(hence the Z at the end of the time), so anything up until 31stOctober appears to be out of synch by an hour. I'll look into it in more detail tomorrow to ensure there isn't a problem, but at the endof the day, it's up to the end application to sort out daylight savings.The time difference you're seeing is the difference between the published time and the actual time the playout server was going toshow the programme. Sometimes programmes may start early and at othertimes late. More often or not, these days this is not accidental -prerecorded BBC television services mostly come off servers these days so the timing can be down to the second.Having said that, the figures you're seeing are only a snapshot ofthe estimated start times at 8am in the morning when the files aregenerated. These times shift and change throughout the day. The only "anchors" you'll notice are the 1, 6 and 10 o'clock news on BBCOne which start at the exact time published.In the future, a TV-Anytime service may be broadcast along with atv/radio digital service or provided as a live Internet feed and this exact time could be used to, say start a PVR or stream recorder.As to separating the name - I'll look into the TV-Anytime standard tosee if there's a field for this (I don't recollect one) when I havethat hefty tome on my desk at work tomorrow. The synopsis provided is in fact a slightly cleaned up version of the one that goes out toSky and Freeview, so to extract the title from the synopsis, I'd haveto somehow work out which part of the text is the episode title. If there's a pattern, it's easy to write a filter. Where differentschedulers do it in different ways, that's where it gets complicated.Hywel[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] TV Data bug..
also why is there no data (ie the xml files have no real data) from next friday morningOn 30/10/05, Hywel Williams < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:At 11:04 30/10/2005, you wrote:>Hi, >>Program:>>crid://bbc.co.uk/1103146355>>and>>crid://bbc.co.uk/1103146353> >Are the same program, both on BBC 4Unfortunately to get 100% accuracy, the programmes should all bematched by hand, possibly by the schedulers. Unfortunately thisisn't currently done and repeat programmes are found using a simple algorithm, which occasionally fails as it has in this case. Theopposite can occasionally happen when two programmes are matched asrepeats, when they're not - usually caused by generic saynopses.There is also a know issue with films that traverse the news, with the two halves not being paired correctly.This is a test environment - it s believed that far more accuratematching will be done should a full broadcast TV-Anytime service be set up.Hywel [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- --Michael PritchardWeb :: http://www.blueghost.co.ukGMail:: [EMAIL PROTECTED]--
Re: [backstage] Timezone bug?
On 10/30/05, Hywel Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Remember that they're all in UTC (hence the Z at the end of the time)
I must say that I did spend a lot of time thinking about timezones.
For mightyv, we store everything in the database as UTC and only
convert it to the current time (GMT now, BST last week) upon display.
Dates are one of the trickier things to manage, but Perl's DateTime
set of modules makes it easy to handle:
# you have a floating DateTime object from TV-Anytime or your DB
$dt->set_time_zone("UTC");
$dt->set_time_zone("Europe/London");
# your object is now ready for display
Enjoy, Leon
PS So what should we add to mightyv?
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Re: [backstage] TV Data bug..
At 16:57 30/10/2005, you wrote: also why is there no data (ie the xml files have no real data) from next friday morning Yes, I spotted that earlier on - I'll look into it tomorrow morning - when it's fixed, I'll regenerate tomorrow's files with the updated data files. Hywel - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Prototype: BBCBOT
I've made an addition to the BBCBOT, its a small application which sits in the systray and pops up a notification when your show is about to start. It removes the MSN feature and I think its a better idea. Following example is java app (so platform inde.) but win32 on the way too. The notification scrolls in and out like MSN and requires no action. http://www.webcoding.co.uk/example.gif Using this approach anyone can sign up at the website and download the app and since it's an application on the client PC you can also begin looking into PVR recording etc.. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
