RE: [backstage] Backstage - Stagnant
It's also complicated by the fact that there aren't just rights in the TV programme, there are all kind of underlying rights (ie, copyright on things that appear in programme) that might need to be cleared as well. Literary - a script, for drama; poetry, quotations, song lyrics, book readings etc Works of art - might include buildings, logos etc, plus Photographs (and photographs of works of art have two sets of copyright...) Stagings - I think, called grand rights - for things like choreography etc Music rights - both in the composition, and the performances Typography - ie, the layout of an edition of a book, even if the original text is out of copyright. An interesting case in point is the Daleks - the BBC owns the rights in the way they look, but the estate of Terry Nation owns the rights in the character and the way they behave. So if you wanted to use the image of a dalek you'd have to clear the rights with the BBC, but if you wanted to animate it to make it move and go 'Exterminate!' you'd also need to clear with the estate. http://www.patent.gov.uk/copy/indetail/ownership.htm "Copyright in a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work (including a photograph) lasts until 70 years after the death of the author. The duration of copyright in a film is 70 years after the death of the last to survive of the principal director, the authors of the screenplay and dialogue, and the composer of any music specially created for the film. Sound recordings are generally protected for 50 years from the year of publication. Broadcasts are protected for 50 years and published editions are protected for 25 years. For copyright works created outside the UK or another country of the European Economic Area, the term of protection may be shorter. There may also be differences for works created before 1 January 1996." So - even if the broadcast copyright has expired, it's no guarantee that the underlying rights have... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon Joly Sent: 02 November 2005 22:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk; Andrew Bowden Subject: RE: [backstage] Backstage - Stagnant At 12:57 +0100 26/10/05, Andrew Bowden wrote: > > Are there old shows in your archive that have had their >> copyrights expire? If so, there's no reason they can't be placed >> up right now, other then potentially bandwidth. (To which I'd say >> that you should offer them via torrent -- you keep running the >> tracker and a single seed, and let the mob > > effect take care of the rest.) > >IIRC it takes 50 years for the copyright to expire so that puts us in >1955. It is not a copyright issue, per se. It is a rights issue. Digital rights. Here is an succinct description of "The duration of copyright" from http://tyler.hrc.utexas.edu/uk.cfm The time period for copyright has grown continually longer over the last three centuries. Many think it is now absurdly long. In Britain the Copyright Act of 1842 introduced the idea of post mortem copyright protection; it established a copyright period of 42 years from the date of first publication or 7 years after the author's death, whichever was the longer. The Copyright Act of 1911 extended the period to 50 years after an author's death; and the European Union Directive on Term of Copyright (adopted by the UK on 1 January 1996) further extended the standard period to 70 years p.m.a. Thus in 2004 works by authors who died in 1934 or any year thereafter remain "in copyright". Gordo (born 1955) -- "Think Feynman"/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Backstage - Stagnant
This argument sounds similar to the debats rattling around about the rights to broadcast the 1996 and 2000 olympic games on-line. The ultimate solution was for the rights holders to designate the Internet as a novel communications stream and to auction rights for it accordingly. There's no point beating the BBC up about it - it's out of their hands - hell, even Google had to accept that no amount of posturing will get around copyright. On 11/3/05, Kim Plowright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's also complicated by the fact that there aren't just rights in theTV programme, there are all kind of underlying rights (ie, copyright on things that appear in programme) that might need to be cleared as well.Literary - a script, for drama; poetry, quotations, song lyrics, bookreadings etcWorks of art - might include buildings, logos etc, plus Photographs (and photographs of works of art have two sets of copyright...)Stagings - I think, called grand rights - for things like choreographyetcMusic rights - both in the composition, and the performancesTypography - ie, the layout of an edition of a book, even if the original text is out of copyright.An interesting case in point is the Daleks - the BBC owns the rights inthe way they look, but the estate of Terry Nation owns the rights in thecharacter and the way they behave. So if you wanted to use the image of a dalek you'd have to clear the rights with the BBC, but if you wantedto animate it to make it move and go 'Exterminate!' you'd also need toclear with the estate. http://www.patent.gov.uk/copy/indetail/ownership.htm"Copyright in a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work (includinga photograph) lasts until 70 years after the death of the author. Theduration of copyright in a film is 70 years after the death of the last to survive of the principal director, the authors of the screenplay anddialogue, and the composer of any music specially created for the film.Sound recordings are generally protected for 50 years from the year of publication. Broadcasts are protected for 50 years and publishededitions are protected for 25 years. For copyright works created outsidethe UK or another country of the European Economic Area, the term ofprotection may be shorter. There may also be differences for works created before 1 January 1996."So - even if the broadcast copyright has expired, it's no guarantee thatthe underlying rights have...-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gordon JolySent: 02 November 2005 22:23To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukCc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk; Andrew BowdenSubject: RE: [backstage] Backstage - StagnantAt 12:57 +0100 26/10/05, Andrew Bowden wrote: > > Are there old shows in your archive that have had their>> copyrights expire? If so, there's no reason they can't be placed>> up right now, other then potentially bandwidth. (To which I'd say >> that you should offer them via torrent -- you keep running the>> tracker and a single seed, and let the mob> > effect take care of the rest.)>>IIRC it takes 50 years for the copyright to expire so that puts us in >1955.It is not a copyright issue, per se. It is a rights issue. Digitalrights.Here is an succinct description of "The duration of copyright" from http://tyler.hrc.utexas.edu/uk.cfmThe time period for copyright has grown continually longer over thelast three centuries. Many think it is now absurdly long. In Britainthe Copyright Act of 1842 introduced the idea of post mortem copyright protection; it established a copyright period of 42 yearsfrom the date of first publication or 7 years after the author'sdeath, whichever was the longer. The Copyright Act of 1911 extendedthe period to 50 years after an author's death; and the European Union Directive on Term of Copyright (adopted by the UK on 1 January1996) further extended the standard period to 70 years p.m.a. Thus in2004 works by authors who died in 1934 or any year thereafter remain "in copyright".Gordo (born 1955)--"Think Feynman"/http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]///-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe,please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- You can't build a reputation based on what you are going to do.
Re: [backstage] Backstage - Stagnant
Strange,In my view the copyright law was written to make sure that the creator was paid their dues.. this argument is all about not using any of the content because no one knows who to pay and how much to pay. The creators will therefore lose money from other new streams of revenue it isn't about posturing, look at the music business, non-copyrighted music is beginning to be used instead.On 3 Nov 2005, at 13:38, Graeme Mulvaney wrote:This argument sounds similar to the debats rattling around about the rights to broadcast the 1996 and 2000 olympic games on-line. The ultimate solution was for the rights holders to designate the Internet as a novel communications stream and to auction rights for it accordingly. There's no point beating the BBC up about it - it's out of their hands - hell, even Google had to accept that no amount of posturing will get around copyright. On 11/3/05, Kim Plowright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's also complicated by the fact that there aren't just rights in theTV programme, there are all kind of underlying rights (ie, copyright on things that appear in programme) that might need to be cleared as well.Literary - a script, for drama; poetry, quotations, song lyrics, bookreadings etcWorks of art - might include buildings, logos etc, plus Photographs (and photographs of works of art have two sets of copyright...)Stagings - I think, called grand rights - for things like choreographyetcMusic rights - both in the composition, and the performancesTypography - ie, the layout of an edition of a book, even if the original text is out of copyright.An interesting case in point is the Daleks - the BBC owns the rights inthe way they look, but the estate of Terry Nation owns the rights in thecharacter and the way they behave. So if you wanted to use the image of a dalek you'd have to clear the rights with the BBC, but if you wantedto animate it to make it move and go 'Exterminate!' you'd also need toclear with the estate. http://www.patent.gov.uk/copy/indetail/ownership.htm"Copyright in a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work (includinga photograph) lasts until 70 years after the death of the author. Theduration of copyright in a film is 70 years after the death of the last to survive of the principal director, the authors of the screenplay anddialogue, and the composer of any music specially created for the film.Sound recordings are generally protected for 50 years from the year of publication. Broadcasts are protected for 50 years and publishededitions are protected for 25 years. For copyright works created outsidethe UK or another country of the European Economic Area, the term ofprotection may be shorter. There may also be differences for works created before 1 January 1996."So - even if the broadcast copyright has expired, it's no guarantee thatthe underlying rights have...-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gordon JolySent: 02 November 2005 22:23To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukCc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk; Andrew BowdenSubject: RE: [backstage] Backstage - StagnantAt 12:57 +0100 26/10/05, Andrew Bowden wrote: > > Are there old shows in your archive that have had their>> copyrights expire? If so, there's no reason they can't be placed>> up right now, other then potentially bandwidth. (To which I'd say >> that you should offer them via torrent -- you keep running the>> tracker and a single seed, and let the mob> > effect take care of the rest.)>>IIRC it takes 50 years for the copyright to expire so that puts us in >1955.It is not a copyright issue, per se. It is a rights issue. Digitalrights.Here is an succinct description of "The duration of copyright" from http://tyler.hrc.utexas.edu/uk.cfmThe time period for copyright has grown continually longer over thelast three centuries. Many think it is now absurdly long. In Britainthe Copyright Act of 1842 introduced the idea of post mortem copyright protection; it established a copyright period of 42 yearsfrom the date of first publication or 7 years after the author'sdeath, whichever was the longer. The Copyright Act of 1911 extendedthe period to 50 years after an author's death; and the European Union Directive on Term of Copyright (adopted by the UK on 1 January1996) further extended the standard period to 70 years p.m.a. Thus in2004 works by authors who died in 1934 or any year thereafter remain "in copyright".Gordo (born 1955)--"Think Feynman"/http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]///-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe,please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive:http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- You can't build a reputatio
[backstage] More feeds - BBC News AV RSS!
Title: More feeds - BBC News AV RSS! Hello all, Just to let you know the BBC News team have just released some RSS feeds for the audio/video news within the BBC News Player. We'll be adding this to the backstage.bbc.co.uk site tomorrow, but we wanted to give you guys an immediate heads-up. The feeds are as follows: http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsplayer_uk_edition/front_page/rss.xml http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsplayer_uk_edition/uk/rss.xml http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsplayer_uk_edition/world/rss.xml http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsplayer_uk_edition/business/rss.xml http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsplayer_uk_edition/sci-tech/rss.xml http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsplayer_uk_edition/health/rss.xml http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsplayer_uk_edition/entertainment/rss.xml http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsplayer_world_edition/front_page/rss.xml http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsplayer_world_edition/uk/rss.xml http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsplayer_world_edition/world/rss.xml http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsplayer_world_edition/business/rss.xml http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsplayer_world_edition/sci-tech/rss.xml http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsplayer_world_edition/health/rss.xml http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsplayer_world_edition/entertainment/rss.xml At this point in time these RSS feeds link through to an HTML page containing an embedded media asset. We're in the process of negotiating a special backstage.bbc.co.uk feed that links to the media assets directly within the RSS, but in the meantime there are also some unofficial feeds on the net that offer this functionality (http://www.blackbeltjones.com/work/?p=1112). Cheers Ben Backstage.bbc.co.uk
Re: [backstage] More feeds - BBC News AV RSS!
At this point in time these RSS feeds link through to an HTML page containing an embedded media asset. We're in the process of negotiating a special backstage.bbc.co.uk feed that links to the media assets directly within the RSS, I don't mind the links to the HTML pages especially as you have the nice choice screen that asks if you want WMV or Real content however once you have then picked would it be possible to have a link direct to the media underneath the embedded video. Where I work I can view Real content but not when it is embedded in a page. To be honest I would like to see this all over your site! It used to be tit or miss as to weather the link was their on the on-line Radio Player. Thank you Dan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] More feeds - BBC News AV RSS!
On 03/11/05, Dogsbody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't mind the links to the HTML pages especially as you have the nicechoice screen that asks if you want WMV or Real content however once you have then picked would it be possible to have a link direct to the mediaunderneath the embedded video. if you use firefox and greasemonkey see my script here: http://www.blueghost.co.uk/bbc_vp.html it should show a link to the media file, see the screenshots on the website Where I work I can view Real content but not when it is embedded in a page. To be honest I would like to see this all over your site! It used to betit or miss as to weather the link was their on the on-line Radio Player.Thank youDan-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/-- -- Michael PritchardWeb :: http://www.blueghost.co.ukGMail:: [EMAIL PROTECTED]--
Re: [backstage] More feeds - BBC News AV RSS!
Thanks for that script; grease monkey's great; I now have problems browsing the web without it (and adblock & adblock updater). Also thanks for the new feeds BBC.On 03/11/05, Michael Pritchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 03/11/05, Dogsbody <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: I don't mind the links to the HTML pages especially as you have the nicechoice screen that asks if you want WMV or Real content however once you have then picked would it be possible to have a link direct to the mediaunderneath the embedded video. if you use firefox and greasemonkey see my script here: http://www.blueghost.co.uk/bbc_vp.html it should show a link to the media file, see the screenshots on the website Where I work I can view Real content but not when it is embedded in a page. To be honest I would like to see this all over your site! It used to betit or miss as to weather the link was their on the on-line Radio Player.Thank youDan-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- -- Michael PritchardWeb :: http://www.blueghost.co.ukGMail:: [EMAIL PROTECTED]--
Re: [backstage] More feeds - BBC News AV RSS!
Michael Pritchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 03/11/05, Dogsbody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I don't mind the links to the HTML pages especially as you have the nice
>> choice screen that asks if you want WMV or Real content however once you
>> have then picked would it be possible to have a link direct to the media
>> underneath the embedded video.
>
>
> if you use firefox and greasemonkey see my script here:
>
> http://www.blueghost.co.uk/bbc_vp.html
>
> it should show a link to the media file, see the screenshots on the website
>
> Where I work I can view Real content but not when it is embedded in
> a page.
Yo Dan.
I wrote something like this as well. It's a bit more generic but not
much, I've attached it.
I like your idea of using an image associated with the mime type, mine
has a generic image to show that there is content on the page.
I prefer my idea of using a scroll down window though...
Do you think there are synergies (lol!) between your GM and mine?
Nic
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Re: [backstage] More feeds - BBC News AV RSS!
if you use firefox and greasemonkey see my script here: http://www.blueghost.co.uk/bbc_vp.html it should show a link to the media file, see the screenshots on the website Unfortunately we use Mozilla at work! :-( Still, I'll use your plug-in at home :-) Thanks Dan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
