RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics
Just for the record, I have a UK-focused site, so I have these figures for March 2007: HYPERLINK "http://www.ukfree.tv"www.ukfree.tv Internet explorer is 66% of all traffic. of which 7.0 52% (34.63% of total); 6.0 47% (31.4% of total), 5.0 (0.8% of total) (Firefox is 28.78% of total, Opera 1% of total) On the OS front, I get Windows NT/XP/Vista: 88%, Mac 4.8%, Windows 98 2.85 and XWindows 1.26% Hope this is useful too. Brian Butterworth HYPERLINK "http://www.ukfree.tv/"www.ukfree.tv Email: HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 25 March 2007 16:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics On 3/23/07, Allan Jardine mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm wondering if anyone knows any of the site statistics for the BBC web-sites. In particular what the browser market share is, as I am wondering how much longer to support IE5 and 5.5 for certain sites - depending on their application and target market. I thing the BBC site user agent stats would be really interesting in this area, and possibly one of the least skewed se of statistics on the net for typical user agents. Not particularly helpful, but HYPERLINK "http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/browser_support.shtml#su pport_table"http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/browser_suppo rt.shtml#support_table is a useful guide to what the BBC supports and what it doesn't. >From the sites I can pull stats from, these are the stats for the last seven days... HYPERLINK "http://www.mediauk.com"www.mediauk.com Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 59.09%; 7.0: 39.9%; rest: 1.01% HYPERLINK "http://james.cridland.net"james.cridland.net Internet Explorer: 44% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 60.91%; 7.0: 38.42%; rest: 0.67% HYPERLINK "http://www.virginradio.co.uk"www.virginradio.co.uk Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 62.28% ; 7.0: 37.14%; rest 0.58% Particularly based on the Media UK and Virgin Radio stats, my own thoughts would therefore be to drop any support for MSIE5 and MSIE5.5. Hope that's useful. -- HYPERLINK "http://james.cridland.net/"http://james.cridland.net/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: 23/03/2007 15:27 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/733 - Release Date: 25/03/2007 11:07
Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics
I've always found that the more "technical" or "geeky" a site is, the higher %age of non-IE users you'll find. For a consumer website - IE all the way. Which goes to prove my point that real people use IE, geeks use Firefox. :-) Yesterday's stats from a (very much consumer-orientated) site that I manage: IE (total) 87.3% made up of: IE 5.5 - 0.1% IE 6 - 40.1% IE 7 - 47.1% Safari - 0.8% Opera - 0.6% FF (all flavours) - 11.3% Not a single hit from anything else. Cheers, R. On 3/26/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just for the record, I have a UK-focused site, so I have these figures for March 2007: www.ukfree.tv Internet explorer is 66% of all traffic. of which 7.0 52% (34.63% of total); 6.0 47% (31.4% of total), 5.0 (0.8% of total) (Firefox is 28.78% of total, Opera 1% of total) On the OS front, I get Windows NT/XP/Vista: 88%, Mac 4.8%, Windows 98 2.85 and XWindows 1.26% Hope this is useful too. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 25 March 2007 16:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics On 3/23/07, Allan Jardine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm wondering if anyone knows any of the site statistics for the BBC > web-sites. In particular what the browser market share is, as I am > wondering how much longer to support IE5 and 5.5 for certain sites - > depending on their application and target market. I thing the BBC > site user agent stats would be really interesting in this area, and > possibly one of the least skewed se of statistics on the net for > typical user agents. Not particularly helpful, but http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/browser_support.shtml#support_table is a useful guide to what the BBC supports and what it doesn't. From the sites I can pull stats from, these are the stats for the last seven days... www.mediauk.com Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 59.09%; 7.0: 39.9%; rest: 1.01% james.cridland.net Internet Explorer: 44% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 60.91%; 7.0: 38.42%; rest: 0.67% www.virginradio.co.uk Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 62.28% ; 7.0: 37.14%; rest 0.58% Particularly based on the Media UK and Virgin Radio stats, my own thoughts would therefore be to drop any support for MSIE5 and MSIE5.5. Hope that's useful. -- http://james.cridland.net/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: 23/03/2007 15:27 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/733 - Release Date: 25/03/2007 11:07 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Browser Stats
Here's a chunk of stats. This is based on Page views. Anything below about 100k page views is registering as Zero percent, FYI, although each browser listed is showing *some* page impressions. 3 page views were in IE1.5! How sweet. I've stripped out the PI numbers, sorry, as I think that might be slightly more sensitive data, but it gives you a good idea of the breakdown of usage. For some reason, our stats software would give me a detailed breakdown of the IE versions, but not firefox, or safari. I think the little abacus gerbils may be tired. Browser Stats, whole of bbc.co.uk, February 2007 Browser Type % of Total PageViews IE 76.92 Mozilla-Firefox 11.59 Safari 2.87 Cable 1.5 Netscape0.95 Opera 0.37 Pocket_PC 0.28 KDDI-EZweb 0.28 AOL 0.05 Lynx0.02 Java0 WebReaper 0 WAP 0 Bush0 ITV 0 Emacs 0 J-Phone 0 Lotus 0 Mosaic 0 Lycos 0 I-Mode 0 Palm0 PocketPC0 Hot_Java0 OmniWeb 0 Unidentified5.17 Percentage breakdown within 76.92% IE category above Browser Type % of Total (IE ONLY) PageViews IE 6.0 62.78 IE 7.0 32.69 IE 5.5 3.31 IE 5.0 0.65 IE 4.0 0.38 IE 5.2 0.1 IE 5.1 0.07 IE 3.0 0.01 IE 6.1 0 IE 4.5 0 IE 2.0 0 IE 6.5 0 IE 5.8 0 IE 4.1 0 IE 2.1 0 IE 7.6 0 IE 5.6 0 IE 1.0 0 IE 6.3 0 IE 5.4 0 IE 6.9 0 IE 7.1 0 IE 6.2 0 IE 1.5 0 These figs are from a different system, so probably not totally commensurate with the above. browser % breakdown for apx august 06 to november 06 Known Browsers 93.04% IE6 71.39% Firefox 11.14% Safari 2.86% IE7 2.75% IE5.5 2.70% IE5 0.57% Opera 0.49% Mozilla 0.39% MSN 0.32% IE1234 0.25% NS7 0.17% PPCIE4 0.14% Opera 8 0.13% NS8 0.09% NS4 0.06% NS3 0.05% Text0.04% Opera 7 0.04% Other 0.03% NS120.01% OmniWeb 0% - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Browser Stats
Just for fun: the february data reworked to show the different flavours of IE at their appropriate % point. There's not much difference between Safari (all versions) and IE5.5 share. Again, I can't break out the different flavours of FF and Safari. Bear in mind this is % of PIs, not of users, so heavy consumption would skew these shares, and I'm willing to bet that FF users eat more internets than IE 6 / 7 users, on average. Browser % share of PIs IE 6.0 48.29 IE 7.0 25.15 Mozilla-Firefox 11.59 Unidentified5.17 Safari 2.87 IE 5.5 2.55 Cable 1.5 Netscape0.95 IE 5.0 0.50 Opera 0.37 IE 4.0 0.29 Pocket_PC 0.28 KDDI-EZweb 0.28 IE 5.2 0.08 IE 5.1 0.05 AOL 0.05 Lynx0.02 IE 3.0 0.01 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Browser Stats
Thanks Kim These are fab. Would be great if the BBC had somewhere where it published this information on a regular basis? While we're on the subject of browser testing, is anyone else using Yahoo's Graded Browser Support method? G On 26/03/07, Kim Plowright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just for fun: the february data reworked to show the different flavours of IE at their appropriate % point. There's not much difference between Safari (all versions) and IE5.5 share. Again, I can't break out the different flavours of FF and Safari. Bear in mind this is % of PIs, not of users, so heavy consumption would skew these shares, and I'm willing to bet that FF users eat more internets than IE 6 / 7 users, on average. Browser % share of PIs IE 6.0 48.29 IE 7.0 25.15 Mozilla-Firefox 11.59 Unidentified5.17 Safari 2.87 IE 5.5 2.55 Cable 1.5 Netscape0.95 IE 5.0 0.50 Opera 0.37 IE 4.0 0.29 Pocket_PC 0.28 KDDI-EZweb 0.28 IE 5.2 0.08 IE 5.1 0.05 AOL 0.05 Lynx0.02 IE 3.0 0.01 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Gareth Rushgrove morethanseven.net webdesignbookshelf.com refreshnewcastle.org frontendarchitecture.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Browser Stats
Martin (who might be on here later) put this article together which could also be of interest. http://www.currybet.net/articles/user_agents/index.php "before I knew it I was involved in a lengthy statistical analysis of the browsers and operating systems that request the BBC homepage at http://www.bbc.co.uk."; It's a year or so old now but has the usual excellent insight/analysis from MB. 0.4% of users at the time used a Linux operating system ;) Jem -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gareth rushgrove Sent: 26 March 2007 14:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats Thanks Kim These are fab. Would be great if the BBC had somewhere where it published this information on a regular basis? While we're on the subject of browser testing, is anyone else using Yahoo's Graded Browser Support method? G On 26/03/07, Kim Plowright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just for fun: the february data reworked to show the different > flavours of IE at their appropriate % point. There's not much > difference between Safari (all versions) and IE5.5 share. Again, I > can't break out the different flavours of FF and Safari. Bear in mind > this is % of PIs, not of users, so heavy consumption would skew these > shares, and I'm willing to bet that FF users eat more internets than IE 6 / 7 users, on average. > > Browser % share of PIs > IE 6.0 48.29 > IE 7.0 25.15 > Mozilla-Firefox 11.59 > Unidentified5.17 > Safari 2.87 > IE 5.5 2.55 > Cable 1.5 > Netscape0.95 > IE 5.0 0.50 > Opera 0.37 > IE 4.0 0.29 > Pocket_PC 0.28 > KDDI-EZweb 0.28 > IE 5.2 0.08 > IE 5.1 0.05 > AOL 0.05 > Lynx0.02 > IE 3.0 0.01 > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Gareth Rushgrove morethanseven.net webdesignbookshelf.com refreshnewcastle.org frontendarchitecture.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics
Something I noticed earlier today - the BBC News pages show how many pages have been served in the past minute, and that cycles round with other facts about the site... When I was looking earlier this morning (around middayish) it showed over 73,000 pages served THAT MINUTE - that's insane! Right now it's saying "82,357 people are reading stories on the site right now." ! Sometimes I forget just how massive the audience is for the beebnews pages... > -Original Message- > From: Richard Lockwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 March 2007 11:22 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics > > I've always found that the more "technical" or "geeky" a site > is, the higher %age of non-IE users you'll find. For a > consumer website - IE all the way. Which goes to prove my > point that real people use IE, geeks use Firefox. :-) > > Yesterday's stats from a (very much consumer-orientated) site > that I manage: > > IE (total) 87.3% > made up of: > IE 5.5 - 0.1% > IE 6 - 40.1% > IE 7 - 47.1% > Safari - 0.8% > Opera - 0.6% > FF (all flavours) - 11.3% > > Not a single hit from anything else. > > Cheers, > > R. > > > > On 3/26/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Just for the record, I have a UK-focused site, so I have > these figures > > for March 2007: > > > > www.ukfree.tv > > Internet explorer is 66% of all traffic. > > of which 7.0 52% (34.63% of total); 6.0 47% (31.4% of total), 5.0 > > (0.8% of > > total) > > (Firefox is 28.78% of total, Opera 1% of total) > > > > On the OS front, I get Windows NT/XP/Vista: 88%, Mac 4.8%, > Windows 98 > > 2.85 and XWindows 1.26% > > > > Hope this is useful too. > > > > Brian Butterworth > > www.ukfree.tv > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland > > Sent: 25 March 2007 16:57 > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > > Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics > > > > > > On 3/23/07, Allan Jardine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm wondering if anyone knows any of the site statistics > for the BBC > > > web-sites. In particular what the browser market share > is, as I am > > > wondering how much longer to support IE5 and 5.5 for > certain sites - > > > depending on their application and target market. I thing the BBC > > > site user agent stats would be really interesting in this > area, and > > > possibly one of the least skewed se of statistics on the net for > > > typical user agents. > > > > Not particularly helpful, but > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/browser_support.sht > > ml#support_table is a useful guide to what the BBC supports > and what > > it doesn't. > > > > From the sites I can pull stats from, these are the stats > for the last > > seven days... > > > > www.mediauk.com > > Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic > > of which: 6.0: 59.09%; 7.0: 39.9%; rest: 1.01% > > > > james.cridland.net > > Internet Explorer: 44% of all traffic > > of which: 6.0: 60.91%; 7.0: 38.42%; rest: 0.67% > > > > www.virginradio.co.uk > > Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic > > of which: 6.0: 62.28% ; 7.0: 37.14%; rest 0.58% > > > > Particularly based on the Media UK and Virgin Radio stats, my own > > thoughts would therefore be to drop any support for MSIE5 > and MSIE5.5. > > > > Hope that's useful. > > > > -- > > http://james.cridland.net/ > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: > > 23/03/2007 > > 15:27 > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/733 - Release Date: > > 25/03/2007 > > 11:07 > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > unsubscribe, please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics
The annual report designers like big numbers too.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/review_report_research/bb cannualreport.pdf Lots of boxes saying interesting things like: "56% of children in Great Britain aged 7-15 accessed bbc.co.uk/CBBC in December 2005" "91.6% of programming on BBC One was subtitled in 2005/2006" etc etc J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 26 March 2007 17:26 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics Something I noticed earlier today - the BBC News pages show how many pages have been served in the past minute, and that cycles round with other facts about the site... When I was looking earlier this morning (around middayish) it showed over 73,000 pages served THAT MINUTE - that's insane! Right now it's saying "82,357 people are reading stories on the site right now." ! Sometimes I forget just how massive the audience is for the beebnews pages... > -Original Message- > From: Richard Lockwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 March 2007 11:22 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics > > I've always found that the more "technical" or "geeky" a site is, the > higher %age of non-IE users you'll find. For a consumer website - IE > all the way. Which goes to prove my point that real people use IE, > geeks use Firefox. :-) > > Yesterday's stats from a (very much consumer-orientated) site that I > manage: > > IE (total) 87.3% > made up of: > IE 5.5 - 0.1% > IE 6 - 40.1% > IE 7 - 47.1% > Safari - 0.8% > Opera - 0.6% > FF (all flavours) - 11.3% > > Not a single hit from anything else. > > Cheers, > > R. > > > > On 3/26/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Just for the record, I have a UK-focused site, so I have > these figures > > for March 2007: > > > > www.ukfree.tv > > Internet explorer is 66% of all traffic. > > of which 7.0 52% (34.63% of total); 6.0 47% (31.4% of total), 5.0 > > (0.8% of > > total) > > (Firefox is 28.78% of total, Opera 1% of total) > > > > On the OS front, I get Windows NT/XP/Vista: 88%, Mac 4.8%, > Windows 98 > > 2.85 and XWindows 1.26% > > > > Hope this is useful too. > > > > Brian Butterworth > > www.ukfree.tv > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland > > Sent: 25 March 2007 16:57 > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > > Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics > > > > > > On 3/23/07, Allan Jardine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm wondering if anyone knows any of the site statistics > for the BBC > > > web-sites. In particular what the browser market share > is, as I am > > > wondering how much longer to support IE5 and 5.5 for > certain sites - > > > depending on their application and target market. I thing the BBC > > > site user agent stats would be really interesting in this > area, and > > > possibly one of the least skewed se of statistics on the net for > > > typical user agents. > > > > Not particularly helpful, but > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/browser_support.sht > > ml#support_table is a useful guide to what the BBC supports > and what > > it doesn't. > > > > From the sites I can pull stats from, these are the stats > for the last > > seven days... > > > > www.mediauk.com > > Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 59.09%; 7.0: > > 39.9%; rest: 1.01% > > > > james.cridland.net > > Internet Explorer: 44% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 60.91%; 7.0: > > 38.42%; rest: 0.67% > > > > www.virginradio.co.uk > > Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 62.28% ; 7.0: > > 37.14%; rest 0.58% > > > > Particularly based on the Media UK and Virgin Radio stats, my own > > thoughts would therefore be to drop any support for MSIE5 > and MSIE5.5. > > > > Hope that's useful. > > > > -- > > http://james.cridland.net/ > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: > > 23/03/2007 > > 15:27 > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/733 - Release Date: > > 25/03/2007 > > 11:07 > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics
Here's a thought regarding subtitling - I know that manual subtitling or on-the-fly subtitling of live programmes has come along leaps and bounds, with voice recognition technology (which sometimes kicks up amusing misunderstandings, but seems to work very well) - how long do you think it'll be before it's all fully automatic, with the software performing voice recognition on the actual soundtrack in realtime? After seeing the lip reading segment on the last Click, it got me thinking... Who does the Beeb's subs now? > -Original Message- > From: Jason Cartwright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 March 2007 17:41 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics > > The annual report designers like big numbers too.. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/review_report_r > esearch/bb > cannualreport.pdf > > Lots of boxes saying interesting things like: > > "56% of children in Great Britain aged 7-15 accessed > bbc.co.uk/CBBC in December 2005" > "91.6% of programming on BBC One was subtitled in 2005/2006" etc etc > > J > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Christopher Woods > Sent: 26 March 2007 17:26 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics > > Something I noticed earlier today - the BBC News pages show > how many pages have been served in the past minute, and that > cycles round with other facts about the site... When I was > looking earlier this morning (around middayish) it showed > over 73,000 pages served THAT MINUTE - that's insane! Right > now it's saying "82,357 people are reading stories on the > site right now." > > ! > > Sometimes I forget just how massive the audience is for the > beebnews pages... > > > -Original Message- > > From: Richard Lockwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 26 March 2007 11:22 > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > > Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics > > > > I've always found that the more "technical" or "geeky" a > site is, the > > higher %age of non-IE users you'll find. For a consumer > website - IE > > all the way. Which goes to prove my point that real people use IE, > > geeks use Firefox. :-) > > > > Yesterday's stats from a (very much consumer-orientated) site that I > > manage: > > > > IE (total) 87.3% > > made up of: > > IE 5.5 - 0.1% > > IE 6 - 40.1% > > IE 7 - 47.1% > > Safari - 0.8% > > Opera - 0.6% > > FF (all flavours) - 11.3% > > > > Not a single hit from anything else. > > > > Cheers, > > > > R. > > > > > > > > On 3/26/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Just for the record, I have a UK-focused site, so I have > > these figures > > > for March 2007: > > > > > > www.ukfree.tv > > > Internet explorer is 66% of all traffic. > > > of which 7.0 52% (34.63% of total); 6.0 47% (31.4% of > total), 5.0 > > > (0.8% of > > > total) > > > (Firefox is 28.78% of total, Opera 1% of total) > > > > > > On the OS front, I get Windows NT/XP/Vista: 88%, Mac 4.8%, > > Windows 98 > > > 2.85 and XWindows 1.26% > > > > > > Hope this is useful too. > > > > > > Brian Butterworth > > > www.ukfree.tv > > > > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > James Cridland > > > Sent: 25 March 2007 16:57 > > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > > > Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics > > > > > > > > > On 3/23/07, Allan Jardine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm wondering if anyone knows any of the site statistics > > for the BBC > > > > web-sites. In particular what the browser market share > > is, as I am > > > > wondering how much longer to support IE5 and 5.5 for > > certain sites - > > > > depending on their application and target market. I > thing the BBC > > > > site user agent stats would be really interesting in this > > area, and > > > > possibly one of the least skewed se of statistics on > the net for > > > > typical user agents. > > > > > > Not particularly helpful, but > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/browser_support.sht > > > ml#support_table is a useful guide to what the BBC supports > > and what > > > it doesn't. > > > > > > From the sites I can pull stats from, these are the stats > > for the last > > > seven days... > > > > > > www.mediauk.com > > > Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 59.09%; 7.0: > > > 39.9%; rest: 1.01% > > > > > > james.cridland.net > > > Internet Explorer: 44% of all traffic of which: 6.0: 60.91%; 7.0: > > > 38.42%; rest: 0.67% > > > > > > www.virginradio.co.uk > > > Internet Explorer: 85% of all traffic of which: 6.0: > 62.28% ; 7.0: > > > 37.14%; rest 0.58% > > > > > > Particularly based on the Media UK and Virgin Radio stats, my own > > > thoughts would therefore be to drop any support for MSIE5 > > and MSIE5.5. > > > > > > Hope th
RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics
I believe these guys do most/all of it... http://www.redbeemedia.com/access/subtitling.shtml I remember watching an excellent video that showed the typing re-reading methods of subtitling. Can't find it right now, sorry. Bonus link: whilst googling around I found this little gem (if you're a font geek)... http://screenfont.ca/fonts/today/TKST/ J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 26 March 2007 17:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics Here's a thought regarding subtitling - I know that manual subtitling or on-the-fly subtitling of live programmes has come along leaps and bounds, with voice recognition technology (which sometimes kicks up amusing misunderstandings, but seems to work very well) - how long do you think it'll be before it's all fully automatic, with the software performing voice recognition on the actual soundtrack in realtime? After seeing the lip reading segment on the last Click, it got me thinking... Who does the Beeb's subs now? > -Original Message- > From: Jason Cartwright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 March 2007 17:41 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics > > The annual report designers like big numbers too.. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/review_report_r > esearch/bb > cannualreport.pdf > > Lots of boxes saying interesting things like: > > "56% of children in Great Britain aged 7-15 accessed bbc.co.uk/CBBC in > December 2005" > "91.6% of programming on BBC One was subtitled in 2005/2006" etc etc > > J > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher > Woods > Sent: 26 March 2007 17:26 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics > > Something I noticed earlier today - the BBC News pages show how many > pages have been served in the past minute, and that cycles round with > other facts about the site... When I was looking earlier this morning > (around middayish) it showed over 73,000 pages served THAT MINUTE - > that's insane! Right now it's saying "82,357 people are reading > stories on the site right now." > > ! > > Sometimes I forget just how massive the audience is for the beebnews > pages... > > > -Original Message- > > From: Richard Lockwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 26 March 2007 11:22 > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > > Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics > > > > I've always found that the more "technical" or "geeky" a > site is, the > > higher %age of non-IE users you'll find. For a consumer > website - IE > > all the way. Which goes to prove my point that real people use IE, > > geeks use Firefox. :-) > > > > Yesterday's stats from a (very much consumer-orientated) site that I > > manage: > > > > IE (total) 87.3% > > made up of: > > IE 5.5 - 0.1% > > IE 6 - 40.1% > > IE 7 - 47.1% > > Safari - 0.8% > > Opera - 0.6% > > FF (all flavours) - 11.3% > > > > Not a single hit from anything else. > > > > Cheers, > > > > R. > > > > > > > > On 3/26/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Just for the record, I have a UK-focused site, so I have > > these figures > > > for March 2007: > > > > > > www.ukfree.tv > > > Internet explorer is 66% of all traffic. > > > of which 7.0 52% (34.63% of total); 6.0 47% (31.4% of > total), 5.0 > > > (0.8% of > > > total) > > > (Firefox is 28.78% of total, Opera 1% of total) > > > > > > On the OS front, I get Windows NT/XP/Vista: 88%, Mac 4.8%, > > Windows 98 > > > 2.85 and XWindows 1.26% > > > > > > Hope this is useful too. > > > > > > Brian Butterworth > > > www.ukfree.tv > > > > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > James Cridland > > > Sent: 25 March 2007 16:57 > > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > > > Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics > > > > > > > > > On 3/23/07, Allan Jardine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm wondering if anyone knows any of the site statistics > > for the BBC > > > > web-sites. In particular what the browser market share > > is, as I am > > > > wondering how much longer to support IE5 and 5.5 for > > certain sites - > > > > depending on their application and target market. I > thing the BBC > > > > site user agent stats would be really interesting in this > > area, and > > > > possibly one of the least skewed se of statistics on > the net for > > > > typical user agents. > > > > > > Not particularly helpful, but > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/browser_support.sht > > > ml#support_table is a useful guide to what the BBC supports > > and what > > > it doesn't. > > > > > > From the sites I can pull stats from, these are the stats > > for the last > > > seven days... > > > > > > www.mediauk.c
RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics
[just saw jase's post, but dammit I've typed this out now, so I'm posting!] Red Bee Media (née BBC Broadcast) does all our subtitling. I was having a beer with someone who used to work in their subtitling area the other day, and got an interesting explanation of how it works. They actually do use voice recognition systems, but the systems are trained to recognise only one voice reliably, so the subtitlers spend months and months in front of the computer saying strange words until the system is trained to their voice. Then they take short shifts listening to the live broadcast and repeating any voices they hear into the system, which then magically converts their speech into text. They can pre-load the system with the types of words they are likely to hear given the type of show, but with some shows the subject range can be so diverse that they have to leave the "domain filter" wide open and thus have less accuracy on word matching. Pre-recorded subtitling works differently, obviously -- they can take time to pause the playout and get it right. Most of these subtitlers are ex-courtroom steganographers. There are a few case studies etc here: http://www.redbeemedia.com/access/subtitling.shtml Someone from RBM might like to chip in here with more explanations, in the spirit of information sharing... Of course, Other Subtitling Providers Are Available (er... I think?!) Brendan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 26 March 2007 17:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics Here's a thought regarding subtitling - I know that manual subtitling or on-the-fly subtitling of live programmes has come along leaps and bounds, with voice recognition technology (which sometimes kicks up amusing misunderstandings, but seems to work very well) - how long do you think it'll be before it's all fully automatic, with the software performing voice recognition on the actual soundtrack in realtime? After seeing the lip reading segment on the last Click, it got me thinking... Who does the Beeb's subs now? > -Original Message- > From: Jason Cartwright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 March 2007 17:41 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics > > The annual report designers like big numbers too.. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/review_report_r > esearch/bb > cannualreport.pdf > > Lots of boxes saying interesting things like: > > "56% of children in Great Britain aged 7-15 accessed bbc.co.uk/CBBC in > December 2005" > "91.6% of programming on BBC One was subtitled in 2005/2006" etc etc > > J > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher > Woods > Sent: 26 March 2007 17:26 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC site statistics > > Something I noticed earlier today - the BBC News pages show how many > pages have been served in the past minute, and that cycles round with > other facts about the site... When I was looking earlier this morning > (around middayish) it showed over 73,000 pages served THAT MINUTE - > that's insane! Right now it's saying "82,357 people are reading > stories on the site right now." > > ! > > Sometimes I forget just how massive the audience is for the beebnews > pages... > > > -Original Message- > > From: Richard Lockwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 26 March 2007 11:22 > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > > Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC site statistics > > > > I've always found that the more "technical" or "geeky" a > site is, the > > higher %age of non-IE users you'll find. For a consumer > website - IE > > all the way. Which goes to prove my point that real people use IE, > > geeks use Firefox. :-) > > > > Yesterday's stats from a (very much consumer-orientated) site that I > > manage: > > > > IE (total) 87.3% > > made up of: > > IE 5.5 - 0.1% > > IE 6 - 40.1% > > IE 7 - 47.1% > > Safari - 0.8% > > Opera - 0.6% > > FF (all flavours) - 11.3% > > > > Not a single hit from anything else. > > > > Cheers, > > > > R. > > > > > > > > On 3/26/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Just for the record, I have a UK-focused site, so I have > > these figures > > > for March 2007: > > > > > > www.ukfree.tv > > > Internet explorer is 66% of all traffic. > > > of which 7.0 52% (34.63% of total); 6.0 47% (31.4% of > total), 5.0 > > > (0.8% of > > > total) > > > (Firefox is 28.78% of total, Opera 1% of total) > > > > > > On the OS front, I get Windows NT/XP/Vista: 88%, Mac 4.8%, > > Windows 98 > > > 2.85 and XWindows 1.26% > > > > > > Hope this is useful too. > > > > > > Brian Butterworth > > > www.ukfree.tv > > > > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On B
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On 3/26/07, Brendan Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Pre-recorded subtitling works differently, obviously -- they can take time to pause the playout and get it right. Most of these subtitlers are ex-courtroom steganographers. this may LOOK like just a gallery of cute kittens in boxes, but the whole transcript of the OJ Simpson trial has been clever hidden in there! -K - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Browser Stats
Hello all, Fantastic information - this is very interesting indeed. Thanks to Kim for the bbc.co.uk information, Richard and Brain for their information and James for the virginradio.co.uk and the other sites. I think this allows us all to build up quite a clear picture of what the 'average' user will surf with. From the bbc.co.uk data, if IE5.5 is more or less on a par with Safari, there are two ways of looking at it - Since the number of users are similar, if you support Safari you should support IE5.5 - Alternatively since IE5.5 will be harder work to support, and it's border line anyway, drop support For a site which is looking to support as wide a range of users as possible, it looks like IE5.5 should still be supported (if the target audience is as wide as the BBC's) - although James' statistics did show what appears to be a base line of IE5.x users - while IE5.0 should be dropped (in a graded way). I really like how the BBC does it's browser support - very nice work! Thank you very much to everyone for sharing this data - it really is very interesting. And I second the request for the BBC to publish this data (just as it is below), which would be a really good guide for what range of browsers the average person uses. Many thanks Allan On 26 Mar 2007, at 12:15, Kim Plowright wrote: Just for fun: the february data reworked to show the different flavours of IE at their appropriate % point. There's not much difference between Safari (all versions) and IE5.5 share. Again, I can't break out the different flavours of FF and Safari. Bear in mind this is % of PIs, not of users, so heavy consumption would skew these shares, and I'm willing to bet that FF users eat more internets than IE 6 / 7 users, on average. Browser % share of PIs IE 6.0 48.29 IE 7.0 25.15 Mozilla-Firefox 11.59 Unidentified5.17 Safari 2.87 IE 5.5 2.55 Cable 1.5 Netscape0.95 IE 5.0 0.50 Opera 0.37 IE 4.0 0.29 Pocket_PC 0.28 KDDI-EZweb 0.28 IE 5.2 0.08 IE 5.1 0.05 AOL 0.05 Lynx0.02 IE 3.0 0.01 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
