RE: [backstage] Is Freesat going to be HD only?
I'll really pleased to hear that there is a good chance that the text and interactive services on Freesat are going to be HD. The HD abilities of the MHEG profile on Freesat are rather nice. But we won't be using them yet. I'm wondering if they will be animated, like little vignets from the 3D view, that would be good. I'm guessing we can't have PROPER 3D weather maps that you can controll Google Earth style with the Freesat remote... RD did a concept demo using MHEG a couple of years ago, playing out through a Freeview box. It's not quite Google Earth style in that was more scrolling between different regions (press UP on the Midlands map to go to the North England map, and it scrolls through it). Technically it's not that difficult - you tile a series of mpeg stills up on the set top box. Even zooming in would be do-able. Would anyone use it is the question - which is an important question in a bandwidth contstrained enviroment. As a member of the Weather production team tells me, most people look at the weather for their locale only and don't care about anywhere else. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] News 24 moves to Astra 2A...
Now, given all the talk of cross-format rights, international rights, the 2D footprint etc... How does the Beeb think that they're going to be able to offer rightsholders geographical certainty as to where footage of sporting events, football, the F1 - the Olympics also comes to mind, remembering the last Olympics' coverage - will be viewable? the 2A south footprint is Europe-wide (http://www.astrosat.info/FAQs/Footprints/footprints.html)... This doesn't mean N24 is going encrypted, does it? FTA, on 2A... Good for the common sense movement, but I'm almost wondering as to whether the rightsholders even know about this yet! We already have the blanking when some sports stuff is shown on the live news simulcasts, surely N24 isn't just going to blank the nation's screens every time sports footage is shown? If not, how has the Beeb wangled this? (and can they do the same for other content?) Well I don't know why News 24 moved to 2A, but I expect the logic goes like this: News 24 is a news station, and therefore doesn't buy broadcast rights for particular events. But does relay coverage of rights related programming (e.g. Olympics, Football) as part of its news bulletins. The kind of footage broadcast on News 24 would also be needed for BBC World - the BBC's global news channel. Ergo, if the BBC is in a position to broadcast the footage on BBC World, then there isn't going to be an issue broadcasting it on News 24 to the whole planet (or at least world covered by the 2A footprint!) either. IIRC, anyone outside the UK can view online streaming of News 24 via the website too. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] News 24 moves to Astra 2A...
On 31/03/2008, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, given all the talk of cross-format rights, international rights, the 2D footprint etc... How does the Beeb think that they're going to be able to offer rightsholders geographical certainty as to where footage of sporting events, football, the F1 - the Olympics also comes to mind, remembering the last Olympics' coverage - will be viewable? the 2A south footprint is Europe-wide (http://www.astrosat.info/FAQs/Footprints/footprints.html)... This doesn't mean N24 is going encrypted, does it? FTA, on 2A... Good for the common sense movement, but I'm almost wondering as to whether the rightsholders even know about this yet! We already have the blanking when some sports stuff is shown on the live news simulcasts, surely N24 isn't just going to blank the nation's screens every time sports footage is shown? If not, how has the Beeb wangled this? (and can they do the same for other content?) Well I don't know why News 24 moved to 2A, but I expect the logic goes like this: News 24 is a news station, and therefore doesn't buy broadcast rights for particular events. But does relay coverage of rights related programming (e.g. Olympics, Football) as part of its news bulletins. In 1990, the British Satellite Broadcasting The Sports Channel, Now and Galaxy channels broadcasts clips of the FIFA World Cup (football) during their news programmes. At the time, the BBC held the rights to these broadcasts and it objected to these channels using the footage. The BBC took BSB to court - and LOST! The judge held that it was 'fair usage' of the footage, even though the BSB presentation had been 'entertaining'. BSB The Sports Channel became Sky Sports, of course, but it was Sky News that gained the benefit of being able to show clips from any broadcaster first. Under the EU Television without Frontiers directive, (89/552/EEC CHAPTER II, Article 2) News 24 can get rebroadcast anywhere in the EU - including by satellite - as it is free-to-air in the UK. The same doesn't apply to the net, so News 24 is currently restricted to the UK. The kind of footage broadcast on News 24 would also be needed for BBC World - the BBC's global news channel. Ergo, if the BBC is in a position to broadcast the footage on BBC World, then there isn't going to be an issue broadcasting it on News 24 to the whole planet (or at least world covered by the 2A footprint!) either. BBC World has very little sport, and it's a bit embarrassing. BBC World is kept from the Great British Public as it carries adverts, and also so the BBC don't cannibalize their own ratings with another News channel. I'm in Belgium at the moment and I can keep in touch with UK News by watching News 24, but it can be hard further away. Seems like a good public service to me, keeping the Great British public informed when they are away on holiday or business. IIRC, anyone outside the UK can view online streaming of News 24 via the website too. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv
RE: [backstage] Is Freesat going to be HD only?
Yes, there is always a certain problem with the need to provide local and regional data from a satellite that covers the whole of the EU! I would personally welcome the effort of putting a zoomable, animated weather system on Freesat. It would be a very BBC thing to do, of course, a combination of a technical trial and public service. It seems to me it might be worth giving it a go for until Xmas, and drop it if people hate it. Unfortunately the project plan of work is extremely big and with some very tight deadlines. If the team had chance to do more fun stuff like that, we'd all be up for it because we're all very keen to push the limits and move the technology forward as much as we can. Alas it won't be for now. As a response to the Weather production team: their locale only isn't necessarily just one place. Many people commute long distances, or have family and friends around the country. It's not, as I am also sure they say in weather production, cut and dry. Ah well, as some of my colleagues in Nations and Regions are very keen on saying most activities and purchases take place within a dozen miles from home. The average commute is 13 miles, and that's about the furthest people tend to go (see Average distance normally travelled for various purposes in http://www.newspapersoc.org.uk/documents/publications/NS-BBC-submission/ ns-bbc-submission.htm for example - it is from 2003 but I doubt has changed much) As the current BBCi weather maps cover very large areas (we split the UK into seven) chances are, very few people are regularly needing the option to move onto another weather map.
RE: [backstage] Is Freesat going to be HD only? // BBC 7i?
Currently the service broadcasts blocks of comedy and science fiction (7th Dimension), as well as children's (CBeebies) and drama. It would be nice if these blocks could be rebroadcast all day in an interactive loop, so you could come to BBC 7 during the CBeebies block, press RED and switch to the comedy, Scifi or whatever... probably a rights nightmare, but it would be great to just have somewhere to get some comedy at any time of the day. When BBC7 first launched, they had serious rights problems - the range of programmes they could broadcast on air was highly limited, and what could go online was far less. Took them about a year to sort it out IIRC - both to get stuff online and get lots more from the archive available. Because they went through that serious pain then, they may well have done it in a way that would hopefully avoid such pain in the future. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site
When did this go live?! The black bar at the top will have to grow on me... are there any plans to do anything else with that, other than a search box? ./Matt - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/03/refreshing_changes_1.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/03/bbc_ux_20.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Barber Sent: 31 March 2008 14:51 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site When did this go live?! The black bar at the top will have to grow on me... are there any plans to do anything else with that, other than a search box? ./Matt - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site
Me too.. I like the wider pages, good considering the increasing amount of widescreen users (msyelf included). However, the black up top is too large and an unnecessary waste of screen real estate. The BBC logo isn't even aligned with the BBC News logo, so it all looks off-kilter. Also, a slight, subtle columnisation would work nicely - just a slightly darker background colour for the see also column on the far right of the screen would be nice. Some aspects like the darker bgcolor for image captions is gone, which is a shame as it helped separate the main body text from the captions. Not everything in the old design needed getting rid of... Switchable stylesheets would be the win! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 31 March 2008 15:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site Today! http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/03/refreshing_changes.html 300 comments already! On 31/03/2008, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When did this go live?! The black bar at the top will have to grow on me... are there any plans to do anything else with that, other than a search box? ./Matt - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv
RE: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site
The double mastheads (black then red) take up too much space and push the main chunk of the site too far down the page. Apart from that, a very nice design. Centred and wider.. at last. /applause/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 31 March 2008 15:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site Me too.. I like the wider pages, good considering the increasing amount of widescreen users (msyelf included). However, the black up top is too large and an unnecessary waste of screen real estate. The BBC logo isn't even aligned with the BBC News logo, so it all looks off-kilter. Also, a slight, subtle columnisation would work nicely - just a slightly darker background colour for the see also column on the far right of the screen would be nice. Some aspects like the darker bgcolor for image captions is gone, which is a shame as it helped separate the main body text from the captions. Not everything in the old design needed getting rid of... Switchable stylesheets would be the win! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 31 March 2008 15:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site Today! http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/03/refreshing_changes.html 300 comments already! On 31/03/2008, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When did this go live?! The black bar at the top will have to grow on me... are there any plans to do anything else with that, other than a search box? ./Matt - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 02:50:53PM +0100, Matt Barber wrote: When did this go live?! The black bar at the top will have to grow on me... are there any plans to do anything else with that, other than a search box? Launched today, at least for me. 427 validation errors as well, which is quite impressive. Paul -- Paul Waring http://www.pwaring.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Is Freesat going to be HD only?
Ah well, as some of my colleagues in Nations and Regions are very keen on saying most activities and purchases take place within a dozen miles from home. The average commute is 13 miles, and that's about the furthest people tend to go (see Average distance normally travelled for various purposes in http://www.newspapersoc.org.uk/documents/publications/NS-BBC-submission/ ns-bbc-submission.htm for example - it is from 2003 but I doubt has changed much) Ah, that wonderful word most is, and what a mass of sins the word average covers. I'm wondering if this is a mean, normal or 2-standard-deviation average already... I should hope it's mean average, as many years of studying maths (including some statistics at degree level), it was always, if it don't say, it be mean. But who knows. This article claims that the average commute is just 8.7miles (which is 14km...) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7009776.stm Ah, old BBC News website. How I will miss you and your nice narrower pages... (and only 74 validation errors ;)
RE: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site
The header and footers are being pulled in on all new designs within bbc.co.uk to keep the standard throughout the site. I must agree that it doesn't quite work in this instance; if all new pages are to follow this format then it might be worth looking at how the news banner is incorporated better into this design format. Robin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 March 2008 16:00 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site The double mastheads (black then red) take up too much space and push the main chunk of the site too far down the page. Apart from that, a very nice design. Centred and wider at last. /applause/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 31 March 2008 15:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site Me too.. I like the wider pages, good considering the increasing amount of widescreen users (msyelf included). However, the black up top is too large and an unnecessary waste of screen real estate. The BBC logo isn't even aligned with the BBC News logo, so it all looks off-kilter. Also, a slight, subtle columnisation would work nicely - just a slightly darker background colour for the see also column on the far right of the screen would be nice. Some aspects like the darker bgcolor for image captions is gone, which is a shame as it helped separate the main body text from the captions. Not everything in the old design needed getting rid of... Switchable stylesheets would be the win! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 31 March 2008 15:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site Today! http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/03/refreshing_changes.html 300 comments already! On 31/03/2008, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When did this go live?! The black bar at the top will have to grow on me... are there any plans to do anything else with that, other than a search box? ./Matt - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.ukhttp://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site
On 31/03/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The double mastheads (black then red) take up too much space and push the main chunk of the site too far down the page. Apart from that, a very nice design. Centred and wider…. at last. /applause/ Try accessing it from outside the UK. The black banner is three times bigger to make way for an advert. Just a question ... how are you supposed to tell what it is you are searching from the input box on the black bar? Is the BBC site, the BBC News site or t'Internet? -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *Christopher Woods *Sent:* 31 March 2008 15:47 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* RE: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site Me too.. I like the wider pages, good considering the increasing amount of widescreen users (msyelf included). However, the black up top is too large and an unnecessary waste of screen real estate. The BBC logo isn't even aligned with the BBC News logo, so it all looks off-kilter. Also, a slight, subtle columnisation would work nicely - just a slightly darker background colour for the see also column on the far right of the screen would be nice. Some aspects like the darker bgcolor for image captions is gone, which is a shame as it helped separate the main body text from the captions. Not everything in the old design needed getting rid of... Switchable stylesheets would be the win! -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth *Sent:* 31 March 2008 15:19 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site Today! http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/03/refreshing_changes.html 300 comments already! On 31/03/2008, *Matt Barber* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When did this go live?! The black bar at the top will have to grow on me... are there any plans to do anything else with that, other than a search box? ./Matt - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] New BBC News site
#blq-mast,#blq-accesslinks {display:none}
.centerbody {padding-top:10px !important}
In FF's userContent.css works for me, then I can see all the local stuff
better.
J
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Tom Hannen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The question is - how best to avoid looking at the black bar?
Adblock? Some CSS thingy? Greasemonkey?
Tom
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Robin Cramp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The header and footers are being pulled in on all new designs within
bbc.co.uk to keep the standard throughout the site.
I must agree that it doesn't quite work in this instance; if all new
pages
are to follow this format then it might be worth looking at how the news
banner is incorporated better into this design format.
Robin
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 31 March 2008 16:00
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site
The double mastheads (black then red) take up too much space and push
the
main chunk of the site too far down the page. Apart from that, a very
nice
design. Centred and wider…. at last. /applause/
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher Woods
Sent: 31 March 2008 15:47
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site
Me too..
I like the wider pages, good considering the increasing amount of
widescreen
users (msyelf included).
However, the black up top is too large and an unnecessary waste of
screen
real estate. The BBC logo isn't even aligned with the BBC News logo, so
it
all looks off-kilter. Also, a slight, subtle columnisation would work
nicely
- just a slightly darker background colour for the see also column on
the
far right of the screen would be nice. Some aspects like the darker
bgcolor
for image captions is gone, which is a shame as it helped separate the
main
body text from the captions.
Not everything in the old design needed getting rid of...
Switchable stylesheets would be the win!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth
Sent: 31 March 2008 15:19
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site
Today!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/03/refreshing_changes.html
300 comments already!
On 31/03/2008, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When did this go live?! The black bar at the top will have to grow on
me... are there any plans to do anything else with that, other than a
search box?
./Matt
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Re: [backstage] New BBC News site Get the minutes and seconds for weighted puffs
On 31/03/2008, Tom Hannen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question is - how best to avoid looking at the black bar? Adblock? Some CSS thingy? Greasemonkey? You can block the international adverts with Adblock plus on the URLS in http://m1.2mdn.net/ I love some of the comments in the page... in particular !-- Get the minutes and seconds for weighted puffs -- Tom On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Robin Cramp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The header and footers are being pulled in on all new designs within bbc.co.uk to keep the standard throughout the site. I must agree that it doesn't quite work in this instance; if all new pages are to follow this format then it might be worth looking at how the news banner is incorporated better into this design format. Robin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 March 2008 16:00 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site The double mastheads (black then red) take up too much space and push the main chunk of the site too far down the page. Apart from that, a very nice design. Centred and wider…. at last. /applause/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 31 March 2008 15:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site Me too.. I like the wider pages, good considering the increasing amount of widescreen users (msyelf included). However, the black up top is too large and an unnecessary waste of screen real estate. The BBC logo isn't even aligned with the BBC News logo, so it all looks off-kilter. Also, a slight, subtle columnisation would work nicely - just a slightly darker background colour for the see also column on the far right of the screen would be nice. Some aspects like the darker bgcolor for image captions is gone, which is a shame as it helped separate the main body text from the captions. Not everything in the old design needed getting rid of... Switchable stylesheets would be the win! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 31 March 2008 15:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] [Backstage] New BBC News site Today! http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/03/refreshing_changes.html 300 comments already! On 31/03/2008, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When did this go live?! The black bar at the top will have to grow on me... are there any plans to do anything else with that, other than a search box? ./Matt - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv
