RE: [backstage] Soundindex

Some of you may be interested in this blog post about Sound Index:
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/06/sound_index_algorithm.html
 
 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chris Sizemore
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good suggestions, chris -- and what you describe is indeed the general plan... 
i think Sound Index is undergoing a public value trial, tho, so its fate is not 
absolutely clear.

i agree that it has fantastic potential, tho, and is headed in the right 
direction...


best--

--cs


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2008/5/20 Peter Bowyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> This has to be a target for Backstage 
>
> http://uk.techcrunch.com/2008/05/20/bbcs-sound-index-is-good-but-we-wont-get-the-data/

Really good to see the BBC producing interesting aggregations of
activity on the web. However,  it is a shame that Soundindex it is not
integrated with the excellent pages driven by musicbrainz under
http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/

The /music/ site does a great job of indexing the many places across
the BBC where an artist is featured, as well as reviews and samples
etc. Soundindex offers no path to all that good stuff.

For example, compare content on the The Ting Tings pages:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artist/fmbd/
vs. http://www.bbc.co.uk/soundindex/profiles/artist/?id=811

Maybe an RSS hack could take the Soundindex ordering, but link back to
the /music page, joining on a  suitable 3rd party URL?

Chris
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Re: [backstage] An alternative iPlayer interface for the Wii

[Phil Wilson]

I can't find the article I read when I fixed it, but Nintendo mention 
that channels 1 and 11 are good as they "don't overlap with other 
channel". There's a bunch of other stuff from them on this page as well:


http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/wii/en_na/onlineWirelessRouterTroubleshooting.jsp 


Thanks for that, the wifi on my wii now speeds along - can watch iPlayer no 
problem!

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Re: [backstage] An alternative iPlayer interface for the Wii

[Matt Barber]

Great to know it works well now. It's often the case that changing a setting
or two will help many problems, saves buying extra hardware too.

Out of interest, is there a feature on the Wii to connect up an external
wifi aerial anywhere? I saw they had capability for the old gamecube
controllers, nice touch that.


> Thanks for that, the wifi on my wii now speeds along - can watch iPlayer no
> problem!
>
>

Re: [backstage] An alternative iPlayer interface for the Wii

[Phil Wilson]

Out of interest, is there a feature on the Wii to connect up an external
wifi aerial anywhere? I saw they had capability for the old gamecube
controllers, nice touch that.


No, there's no way to connect an external aerial.

The Wii also takes the Gamecube memory cartridges (it can't store Gamecube saved games on 
its internal memory), and is 100% backwards compatible (unless the GC game used some 
peripheral like the Gameboy Player).


Cheers,

Phil
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[backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

[Brian Butterworth]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7439652.stm

2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> According to
> http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3580-catch-up-tv-on-bt-vision-no-longer-free.html
>
> "BT Vision now has a TV Replay Pack that costs £3 per month and covers the
> ... BBC iPlayer service."
>
> Is it OK for BT to charge for access to the free iPlayer?
>
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[backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to char ge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

[Darren Stephens]

I would suspect so, as they would likely claim that it is like any number of 
satellite channels bundled on sky, provided at zero cost, but only available as 
part of a package which includes other chargeable services. 

 

Marketing drones, don't you just love them...

 

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iPlayer?

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7439652.stm

2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

According to 
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3580-catch-up-tv-on-bt-vision-no-longer-free.html

"BT Vision now has a TV Replay Pack that costs £3 per month and covers the ... 
BBC iPlayer service."

Is it OK for BT to charge for access to the free iPlayer?

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Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

[Brian Butterworth]

It turns out it isn't the iPlayer but the "higher quality" DVB-T recording
that BT offer as part of their package.  Although as they have no claim to
copyright over them, it a bit hard to understand how they can charge extra
for them, for example I couldn't record BBC one off-air, make a +1 of it and
then transmit it via satellite and charge a fee for it.

Could I?

Or could I?

2008/6/9 Darren Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>  I would suspect so, as they would likely claim that it is like any number
> of satellite channels bundled on sky, provided at zero cost, but only
> available as part of a package which includes other chargeable services.
>
>
>
> Marketing drones, don't you just love them…
>
>
>
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> *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
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> for the iPlayer?
>
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7439652.stm
>
> 2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> According to
> http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3580-catch-up-tv-on-bt-vision-no-longer-free.html
>
> "BT Vision now has a TV Replay Pack that costs £3 per month and covers the
> ... BBC iPlayer service."
>
> Is it OK for BT to charge for access to the free iPlayer?
>
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>
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[backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

[zen16083]

If BT can, why can’t you or anyone else?


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Sent: 09 June 2008 15:31
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to
charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

It turns out it isn't the iPlayer but the "higher quality" DVB-T recording
that BT offer as part of their package.  Although as they have no claim to
copyright over them, it a bit hard to understand how they can charge extra
for them, for example I couldn't record BBC one off-air, make a +1 of it and
then transmit it via satellite and charge a fee for it.

Could I?

Or could I?
2008/6/9 Darren Stephens < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 >:
I would suspect so, as they would likely claim that it is like any number of
satellite channels bundled on sky, provided at zero cost, but only available
as part of a package which includes other chargeable services.

Marketing drones, don't you just love them…

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Subject: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for
the iPlayer?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7439652.stm
2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 >:
According to
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3580-catch-up-tv-on-bt-vision-no-longer-f
ree.html

"BT Vision now has a TV Replay Pack that costs £3 per month and covers the
... BBC iPlayer service."

Is it OK for BT to charge for access to the free iPlayer?

---

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http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice,
since 2002


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[backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] R E: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

[Gavin Pearce]

The way I read it was ...
 
They are offering it as part of another service, so they're not charging for
the BBC channels, you get those free, if you "buy" this other service.
I might be wrong??
 
Still plenty of loop-holes here to setup a free "BBC+1" if a user subscribes
to your "members only website":-)
 
Im just guessing here though lol
 
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If BT can, why can’t you or anyone else?


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Sent: 09 June 2008 15:31
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to
charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

It turns out it isn't the iPlayer but the "higher quality" DVB-T recording
that BT offer as part of their package.  Although as they have no claim to
copyright over them, it a bit hard to understand how they can charge extra
for them, for example I couldn't record BBC one off-air, make a +1 of it and
then transmit it via satellite and charge a fee for it.

Could I?

Or could I?
2008/6/9 Darren Stephens < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 >:


I would suspect so, as they would likely claim that it is like any number of
satellite channels bundled on sky, provided at zero cost, but only available
as part of a package which includes other chargeable services. 


Marketing drones, don't you just love them…

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Subject: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for
the iPlayer?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7439652.stm
 
2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 >:
According to
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3580-catch-up-tv-on-bt-vision-no-longer-f
ree.html
 

"BT Vision now has a TV Replay Pack that costs £3 per month and covers the
... BBC iPlayer service."

Is it OK for BT to charge for access to the free iPlayer?

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[backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backs tage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vi sion to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

[Darren Stephens]

Apart from BT doing it under licence?

 

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Subject: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it 
OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

 

The way I read it was ...

 

They are offering it as part of another service, so they're not charging for 
the BBC channels, you get those free, if you "buy" this other service.

I might be wrong??

 

Still plenty of loop-holes here to setup a free "BBC+1" if a user subscribes to 
your "members only website":-)

 

Im just guessing here though lol

 

Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS
The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom 
Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 
427138 
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BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

If BT can, why can't you or anyone else?

 

 

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Sent: 09 June 2008 15:31
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Subject: Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to 
charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

 

It turns out it isn't the iPlayer but the "higher quality" DVB-T 
recording that BT offer as part of their package.  Although as they have no 
claim to copyright over them, it a bit hard to understand how they can charge 
extra for them, for example I couldn't record BBC one off-air, make a +1 of it 
and then transmit it via satellite and charge a fee for it.

Could I?

Or could I?

2008/6/9 Darren Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

I would suspect so, as they would likely claim that it is like any 
number of satellite channels bundled on sky, provided at zero cost, but only 
available as part of a package which includes other chargeable services. 

 

Marketing drones, don't you just love them...

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian 
Butterworth
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:09 PM
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Subject: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month 
for the iPlayer?

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7439652.stm

2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

According to 
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3580-catch-up-tv-on-bt-vision-no-longer-free.html

"BT Vision now has a TV Replay Pack that costs £3 per month and covers 
the ... BBC iPlayer service."

Is it OK for BT to charge for access to the free iPlayer?

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advice, since 2002 



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[backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backsta ge] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per m onth for the iPlayer?

[Gavin Pearce]

Have BT / Virgin got a license from the BBC for it then?
 
- Gav

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[backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the
iPlayer?



Apart from BT doing it under licence?



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it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?



The way I read it was ...



They are offering it as part of another service, so they're not charging for
the BBC channels, you get those free, if you "buy" this other service.

I might be wrong??



Still plenty of loop-holes here to setup a free "BBC+1" if a user subscribes
to your "members only website":-)



Im just guessing here though lol



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Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

If BT can, why can't you or anyone else?





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It turns out it isn't the iPlayer but the "higher quality" DVB-T recording
that BT offer as part of their package.  Although as they have no claim to
copyright over them, it a bit hard to understand how they can charge extra
for them, for example I couldn't record BBC one off-air, make a +1 of it and
then transmit it via satellite and charge a fee for it.

Could I?

Or could I?

2008/6/9 Darren Stephens < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 >:

I would suspect so, as they would likely claim that it is like any number of
satellite channels bundled on sky, provided at zero cost, but only available
as part of a package which includes other chargeable services. 



Marketing drones, don't you just love them...



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the iPlayer?



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7439652.stm
 

2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 >:

According to
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3580-catch-up-tv-on-bt-vision-no-longer-f
ree.html
 

"BT Vision now has a TV Replay Pack that costs £3 per month and covers the
... BBC iPlayer service."

Is it OK for BT to charge for access to the free iPlayer?

---

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[backstage] Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

[Andy]

Gavin Pearce wrote:
> The way I read it was ...
>  
> They are offering it as part of another service, so they're not charging for
> the BBC channels, you get those free, if you "buy" this other service.
> I might be wrong??

According to the BBC News article someone provided a link to earlier:
> In line with other TV platforms where BBC programmes are made
> available on demand, the BBC requires that all public service content
> should be accessible via the lowest cost subscription tier.

It is possible BT have some agreement with the BBC so that wouldn't
necessarily mean you could do BBC+1 (or BBC+2, or BBC+24 (Monday's TV on
Tuesday etc.)).

> Still plenty of loop-holes here to setup a free "BBC+1" if a user subscribes
> to your "members only website":-)

I would check with a lawyer first, and be prepared for the bandwidth
cost as well!

> Im just guessing here though lol

me too

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Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] R E: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re : Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

[Richard P Edwards]

I'm sure that they will have it would be great to see a copy,  
perhaps it was overlooked that BT is more than just a UK centric  
business model. :-)

I must say that the peace here may be broken by the following phrase ...
"She stressed that the BBC would not be making any money from the new  
arrangement."
Classic choice of words . BBC now giving content away, or was  
"profit" the preferred noun?

Count me in for DVB-T via the net, and for Mac  excellent news.

RichE

On 9 Jun 2008, at 18:10, Gavin Pearce wrote:


Have BT / Virgin got a license from the BBC for it then?

- Gav
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Apart from BT doing it under licence?
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[backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for  
the iPlayer?

The way I read it was ...
They are offering it as part of another service, so they're not  
charging for the BBC channels, you get those free, if you "buy"  
this other service.

I might be wrong??
Still plenty of loop-holes here to setup a free "BBC+1" if a user  
subscribes to your "members only website":-)

Im just guessing here though lol
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Kingdom
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If BT can, why can't you or anyone else?
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Subject: Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision  
to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?
It turns out it isn't the iPlayer but the "higher quality" DVB-T  
recording that BT offer as part of their package.  Although as they  
have no claim to copyright over them, it a bit hard to understand  
how they can charge extra for them, for example I couldn't record  
BBC one off-air, make a +1 of it and then transmit it via satellite  
and charge a fee for it.


Could I?

Or could I?
2008/6/9 Darren Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I would suspect so, as they would likely claim that it is like any  
number of satellite channels bundled on sky, provided at zero cost,  
but only available as part of a package which includes other  
chargeable services.


Marketing drones, don't you just love them...


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Subject: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per  
month for the iPlayer?



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7439652.stm

2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

According to http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3580-catch-up-tv-on- 
bt-vision-no-longer-free.html


"BT Vision now has a TV Replay Pack that costs £3 per month and  
covers the ... BBC iPlayer service."


Is it OK for BT to charge for access to the free iPlayer?

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Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

[James Ockenden]

I would pay £6 a month for pre-selected iplayer content delivered to
me on a DVD here in Hong Kong.

Could any of the the three Bs - BT, BBC or Brian - offer that service, legally?

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Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

[Brian Butterworth]

How about this.  If you offered a service that provided the BBC channels
with 1/25th of a second delay, a BBC1+1/9 then you could watch the
channel without a TV license because the channel would not be 'live', which
is the requirement for a TV Licence.

Yes, guesswork

2008/6/9 Richard P Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I'm sure that they will have it would be great to see a copy, perhaps
> it was overlooked that BT is more than just a UK centric business model. :-)I
> must say that the peace here may be broken by the following phrase ...
> "She stressed that the BBC would not be making any money from the new
> arrangement."
> Classic choice of words . BBC now giving content away, or was "profit"
> the preferred noun?
> Count me in for DVB-T via the net, and for Mac  excellent news.
>
> RichE
>
> On 9 Jun 2008, at 18:10, Gavin Pearce wrote:
>
> Have BT / Virgin got a license from the BBC for it then?
>
> - Gav
>
> -Original Message-
> *From:* Darren Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> ]
> *Sent:* 09 June 2008 17:02
> *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> *Subject:* [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE:
> [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the
> iPlayer?
>
> Apart from BT doing it under licence?
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> *On Behalf Of *Gavin Pearce
> *Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2008 4:29 PM
> *To:* 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk'
> *Subject:* [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re:
> Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?
> The way I read it was ...
> They are offering it as part of another service, so they're not charging
> for the BBC channels, you get those free, if you "buy" this other service.
> I might be wrong??
> Still plenty of loop-holes here to setup a free "BBC+1" if a user
> subscribes to your "members only website":-)
> Im just guessing here though lol
>
> *Gavin Pearce* |* **Junior Web Developer* |* **TBS
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> -Original Message-
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> ]
> *Sent:* 09 June 2008 15:41
> *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> *Subject:* [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT
> Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?
> If BT can, why can't you or anyone else?
> -Original Message-
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]*On
> Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth
> *Sent:* 09 June 2008 15:31
> *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to
> charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?
> It turns out it isn't the iPlayer but the "higher quality" DVB-T recording
> that BT offer as part of their package.  Although as they have no claim to
> copyright over them, it a bit hard to understand how they can charge extra
> for them, for example I couldn't record BBC one off-air, make a +1 of it and
> then transmit it via satellite and charge a fee for it.
>
> Could I?
>
> Or could I?
> 2008/6/9 Darren Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I would suspect so, as they would likely claim that it is like any number
> of satellite channels bundled on sky, provided at zero cost, but only
> available as part of a package which includes other chargeable services.
>
> Marketing drones, don't you just love them...
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth
> *Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2008 1:09 PM
> *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> *Subject:* [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month
> for the iPlayer?
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7439652.stm
>
> 2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> According to
> http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3580-catch-up-tv-on-bt-vision-no-longer-free.html
>
> "BT Vision now has a TV Replay Pack that costs £3 per month and covers the
> ... BBC iPlayer service."
>
> Is it OK for BT to charge for access to the free iPlayer?
>
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>
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[backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: [backstage] RE: [backs tage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re : Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for th e iPlayer?

if was just on a DVD I would imagine BBC worldwide could do it in theory - 
depending on which programmes you wanted, rights etc
 
BT or Brian couldn't without some kind of licencing agreement with WW



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of James Ockenden
Sent: Mon 09/06/2008 6:20 PM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: 
[backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?



I would pay £6 a month for pre-selected iplayer content delivered to
me on a DVD here in Hong Kong.

Could any of the the three Bs - BT, BBC or Brian - offer that service, legally?

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[backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backs tage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £ 3 per month for the iPlayer?

clever - but i expect lawyers would be all over this like a rash



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth
Sent: Mon 09/06/2008 6:22 PM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: 
[backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month 
for the iPlayer?


How about this.  If you offered a service that provided the BBC channels with 
1/25th of a second delay, a BBC1+1/9 then you could watch the channel 
without a TV license because the channel would not be 'live', which is the 
requirement for a TV Licence.

Yes, guesswork


2008/6/9 Richard P Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


I'm sure that they will have it would be great to see a copy, 
perhaps it was overlooked that BT is more than just a UK centric business 
model. :-) 
I must say that the peace here may be broken by the following phrase ...
"She stressed that the BBC would not be making any money from the new 
arrangement."
Classic choice of words . BBC now giving content away, or was 
"profit" the preferred noun? 
Count me in for DVB-T via the net, and for Mac  excellent news.

RichE

On 9 Jun 2008, at 18:10, Gavin Pearce wrote:



Have BT / Virgin got a license from the BBC for it then?
 
- Gav

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From: Darren Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 09 June 2008 17:02
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] 
RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per 
month for the iPlayer?


Apart from BT doing it under licence?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Gavin Pearce
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 4:29 PM
To: 'backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk'
Subject: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] 
RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the 
iPlayer?
The way I read it was ...
They are offering it as part of another service, so 
they're not charging for the BBC channels, you get those free, if you "buy" 
this other service.
I might be wrong??
Still plenty of loop-holes here to setup a free "BBC+1" 
if a user subscribes to your "members only website":-)
Im just guessing here though lol

Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS
The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 
1JG, United Kingdom 
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[backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?
If BT can, why can't you or anyone else?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth
Sent: 09 June 2008 15:31
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is 
it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?
It turns out it isn't the iPlayer but the 
"higher quality" DVB-T recording that BT offer as part of their package.  
Although as they have no claim to copyright over them, it a bit hard to 
understand how they can charge extra for them, for example I couldn't record 
BBC one off-air, make a +1 of it and then transmit it via satellite and charge 
a fee for it.

Could I?

Or could I?
2008/6/9 Darren Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I w

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

[Brian Butterworth]

However you could bypass the whole thing by having a remote access Windows
server in the UK then downloading the FLC to your machine and then ftp them
off...  much easier than getting BBC Worldwide to do something.

2008/6/9 Nick Reynolds-FM&T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>  if was just on a DVD I would imagine BBC worldwide could do it in
> theory - depending on which programmes you wanted, rights etc
>
> BT or Brian couldn't without some kind of licencing agreement with WW
>
> --
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of James Ockenden
> *Sent:* Mon 09/06/2008 6:20 PM
> *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage]
> RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the
> iPlayer?
>
>  I would pay £6 a month for pre-selected iplayer content delivered to
> me on a DVD here in Hong Kong.
>
> Could any of the the three Bs - BT, BBC or Brian - offer that service,
> legally?
>
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[backstage] Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: Is it OK for BT Vision to charge £3 per month for the iPlayer?

[Steve Jolly]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If BT can, why can’t you or anyone else?


In the absence of a contract with the broadcaster(s), I would suggest 
that copyright law might be a hindrance.


S

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[Tim Dobson]

Brian Butterworth wrote:
How about this.  If you offered a service that provided the BBC channels 
with 1/25th of a second delay, 


Try streaming *anything* without a perceivable delay of at least 1 
second! ;)



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[Tim Dobson]

Brian Butterworth wrote:
How about this.  If you offered a service that provided the BBC channels 
with 1/25th of a second delay, 


Try streaming *anything* without a perceivable delay of at least 1 
second! ;)



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