RE: [backstage] Invalid XML in iPlayer feeds

2009-09-04 Thread Ian Forrester 
Good to meet someone else who uses XMLStarlet, although I've not used it
for years to be honest.

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From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk
[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Sean DALY
Sent: 03 September 2009 16:12
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] Invalid XML in iPlayer feeds

I have generated calmness by inserting systematic XML validation in my
workflows using xmlstarlet, e.g.:



$ xml val list.htm
list.htm:2: parser error : XML declaration allowed only at the start of
the document 
 ^
list.htm - invalid
$


I ran the above on a Mac. Runs on Windows, *nux, the BDSs, etc.

Sean



On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Alex Mace wrote:
> iPlayer itself seemed to be down eariler today...
>
> Alex
>
> On 3 Sep 2009, at 14:52, Paul Battley wrote:
>
>> The iPlayer feeds seem to be broken today. They currently have a 
>> blank line before the XML declaration, making them invalid.
>>
>> E.g. (Firefox will also complain if you load it up) 
>> http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/popular/tv/list
>>
>> Has anyone else noticed? I can't be the only person who is using a 
>> real, strict XML parser to consume them!
>>
>> Paul.
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Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?

2009-09-04 Thread Gavin Johnson 
Just in case it wasn¹t clear, the discussion is about Local Radio only.
Local Radio isn¹t centralised in the same way that Network Radio is. As I
understand it Coyopa will benefit Network Radio initially. So this isn¹t a
wholesale replacement of Windows for Real, but a temporary loss of Real
during a period of re-organisation within Local.

I¹m not familiar with the URL obfuscation issues ­ perhaps it¹s fixing these
(rather than the format) which is the priority?

Gavin (Tech Lead, BBC Local)

On 04/09/2009 16:49, "adancy+backst...@gmail.com"
 wrote:

> Can someone from the Beeb clarify that the Windows streams will be *instead*
> of Real, as the implication of that article (and also a number of blog
> comments from James Cridland in the past) was that Windows Media streams would
> be in *addition* to the existing streams. From what I understand one of the
> big reasons behind the Coyopa project was that it's relatively easy for you to
> produce the same audio in multiple formats, so it seems a bit odd that you're
> replacing one format with another.
>  
> Certainly there's still demand for RealAudio - I'm regularly seeing several
> hundred people a day using the RealAudio listen again links and widgets on my
> site, and I'm pretty sure other similar sites like Beebotron must have the
> same if not greater traffic for their RealAudio links.
>  
> It's a particular problem with internet radios and mobile devices, as many of
> them don't support the AAC format you're now using for live streams and can't
> access the MP3 files you're now using for local radio Listen Again due to the
> content delivery system completely obsfuscating the URLs.
>  
> Andrew Dancy
> www.iplayerconverter.co.uk 
>  
> (apologies if this appears twice - fun and games with gmail and their silly
> 'on behalf of' header)
>  
> 
> From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk]
> On Behalf Of Gavin Johnson
> Sent: 04 September 2009 14:42
> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?
> 
> Ok so it turns out that a dual bitrate option will continue to be available,
> but in Windows rather than Real. So that link is temporarily broken while
> things are being moved around. There¹s some useful background here.
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/08/improvements_to_bbc_local_radi.
> html
> 
> On 04/09/2009 13:50, "Gavin Johnson"  wrote:
> 
>> As of Tuesday there is no longer a dual bitrate  option. It looks like
>> iplayer haven¹t caught up. Thanks for noticing, I¹ll  give someone a nudge
>> about getting the link removed.
>> 
>> Gavin
>> 
>> On  04/09/2009 12:43, "Paul Webster"  wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>> What has happened to the RealAudio feeds of the  local radio (BBC London in
>>> particular) Listen Again content?
>>> 
>>> As an  example
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0046fbf/Danny_Baker_03_09_2009/
>>> choose  the pop-out player - and then low bandwidth ...
>>> "Danny Baker: 03/09/2009  is unavailable at this time."
>>> 
>>> Paul Webster
>>> 
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Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?

2009-09-04 Thread adancy+backstage 
Can someone from the Beeb clarify that the Windows streams will be *instead*
of Real, as the implication of that article (and also a number of blog
comments from James Cridland in the past) was that Windows Media streams
would be in *addition* to the existing streams. From what I understand one
of the big reasons behind the Coyopa project was that it's relatively easy
for you to produce the same audio in multiple formats, so it seems a bit odd
that you're replacing one format with another.
 
Certainly there's still demand for RealAudio - I'm regularly seeing several
hundred people a day using the RealAudio listen again links and widgets on
my site, and I'm pretty sure other similar sites like Beebotron must have
the same if not greater traffic for their RealAudio links. 
 
It's a particular problem with internet radios and mobile devices, as many
of them don't support the AAC format you're now using for live streams and
can't access the MP3 files you're now using for local radio Listen Again due
to the content delivery system completely obsfuscating the URLs.
 
Andrew Dancy
  www.iplayerconverter.co.uk 
 
(apologies if this appears twice - fun and games with gmail and their silly
'on behalf of' header)
 
  _  

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[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Gavin Johnson
Sent: 04 September 2009 14:42
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?


Ok so it turns out that a dual bitrate option will continue to be available,
but in Windows rather than Real. So that link is temporarily broken while
things are being moved around. There's some useful background here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/08/improvements_to_bbc_local_rad
i.html

On 04/09/2009 13:50, "Gavin Johnson"  wrote:



As of Tuesday there is no longer a dual bitrate option. It looks like
iplayer haven't caught up. Thanks for noticing, I'll give someone a nudge
about getting the link removed.

Gavin

On 04/09/2009 12:43, "Paul Webster"  wrote:



What has happened to the RealAudio feeds of the local radio (BBC London in
particular) Listen Again content?

As an example
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0046fbf/Danny_Baker_03_09_2009/
choose the pop-out player - and then low bandwidth ...
"Danny Baker: 03/09/2009 is unavailable at this time."

Paul Webster

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Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?

2009-09-04 Thread Phil Lewis 
This link from James Cridland also seems to confirm there was no plan to
remove these streams...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2008/12/bbc_radio_in_iplayer_-_sounds.shtml


On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 14:41 +0100, Gavin Johnson wrote:
> Ok so it turns out that a dual bitrate option will continue to be
> available, but in Windows rather than Real. So that link is
> temporarily broken while things are being moved around. There’s some
> useful background here.
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/08/improvements_to_bbc_local_radi.html
> 
> On 04/09/2009 13:50, "Gavin Johnson"  wrote:
> 
> As of Tuesday there is no longer a dual bitrate option. It
> looks like iplayer haven’t caught up. Thanks for noticing,
> I’ll give someone a nudge about getting the link removed.
> 
> Gavin
> 
> On 04/09/2009 12:43, "Paul Webster"  wrote:
> 
> What has happened to the RealAudio feeds of the local
> radio (BBC London in particular) Listen Again content?
> 
> As an example
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0046fbf/Danny_Baker_03_09_2009/
> choose the pop-out player - and then low bandwidth ...
> "Danny Baker: 03/09/2009 is unavailable at this time."
> 
> Paul Webster
> 
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Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?

2009-09-04 Thread Paul Webster 
So - I presume that this means that we lose the ability to pause/ff On Demand 
content on Reciva-based radios (because it
was using a URL facility of the streaming server that has presumably been 
turned off).
Annoying if true because of prior discussions with Alan Ogilvie (back in 
December) about this.
I can't verify until Reciva move to the WMA streams ...

Paul

On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:41:32 +0100, you wrote:

>Ok so it turns out that a dual bitrate option will continue to be available,
>but in Windows rather than Real. So that link is temporarily broken while
>things are being moved around. There¹s some useful background here.
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/08/improvements_to_bbc_local_rad
>i.html
>
>On 04/09/2009 13:50, "Gavin Johnson"  wrote:
>
>> As of Tuesday there is no longer a dual bitrate option. It looks like iplayer
>> haven¹t caught up. Thanks for noticing, I¹ll give someone a nudge about
>> getting the link removed.
>> 
>> Gavin
>> 
>> On 04/09/2009 12:43, "Paul Webster"  wrote:
>> 
>>> What has happened to the RealAudio feeds of the local radio (BBC London in
>>> particular) Listen Again content?
>>> 
>>> As an example
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0046fbf/Danny_Baker_03_09_2009/
>>> choose the pop-out player - and then low bandwidth ...
>>> "Danny Baker: 03/09/2009 is unavailable at this time."
>>> 
>>> Paul Webster
>>> 
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Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?

2009-09-04 Thread Gavin Johnson 
Ok so it turns out that a dual bitrate option will continue to be available,
but in Windows rather than Real. So that link is temporarily broken while
things are being moved around. There¹s some useful background here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/08/improvements_to_bbc_local_rad
i.html

On 04/09/2009 13:50, "Gavin Johnson"  wrote:

> As of Tuesday there is no longer a dual bitrate option. It looks like iplayer
> haven¹t caught up. Thanks for noticing, I¹ll give someone a nudge about
> getting the link removed.
> 
> Gavin
> 
> On 04/09/2009 12:43, "Paul Webster"  wrote:
> 
>> What has happened to the RealAudio feeds of the local radio (BBC London in
>> particular) Listen Again content?
>> 
>> As an example
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0046fbf/Danny_Baker_03_09_2009/
>> choose the pop-out player - and then low bandwidth ...
>> "Danny Baker: 03/09/2009 is unavailable at this time."
>> 
>> Paul Webster
>> 
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Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?

2009-09-04 Thread Gavin Johnson 
As of Tuesday there is no longer a dual bitrate option. It looks like
iplayer haven¹t caught up. Thanks for noticing, I¹ll give someone a nudge
about getting the link removed.

Gavin

On 04/09/2009 12:43, "Paul Webster"  wrote:

> What has happened to the RealAudio feeds of the local radio (BBC London in
> particular) Listen Again content?
> 
> As an example
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0046fbf/Danny_Baker_03_09_2009/
> choose the pop-out player - and then low bandwidth ...
> "Danny Baker: 03/09/2009 is unavailable at this time."
> 
> Paul Webster
> 
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[backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?

2009-09-04 Thread Paul Webster 
What has happened to the RealAudio feeds of the local radio (BBC London in 
particular) Listen Again content?

As an example
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0046fbf/Danny_Baker_03_09_2009/
choose the pop-out player - and then low bandwidth ... 
"Danny Baker: 03/09/2009 is unavailable at this time."

Paul Webster

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