AW: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like

2008-07-21 Thread Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT)
Also very interested!
@Matt... and thanks for the links!
 
All the best,
sebnem 
 

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Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Christopher 
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Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Juli 2008 18:30
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Based on stats - I don't have an off the shelf study to hand that I can 
release, but as indicated elsewhere, it is true that the number of downloads 
versus streams is influenced on a day to day basis depending on the type of 
content available.
 
If there is interest in more stats then let me know.
 
Cheers,
 
jod 
 

Very interested - if there are any stats available you can point me to, I'd be 
fascinated to peruse them. 


AW: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like

2008-07-21 Thread Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT)
 
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Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Crossland
Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Juli 2008 20:20
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2008/7/18 Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually 
 downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive...

This statement is either misguided or lying. :-)

Whilst streaming, *the movie* is not downloaded (else it wouldn't be worthwile 
to make a differentiation, right?) Only chunks of the file are buffered (small 
pieces, thrown away once played back = buffering).

 I believe this is the single viable option, and is true to the
 antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of the Internet

What about the the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of
portable computers not connected to the Internet 100% of the time?

Not connected?!?!??! ...well you have a point there, like you want to download 
a movie because you know tomorrow you'll be stuck in a train for 6 hrs.  But in 
my opinion this is not Internet TV - and still you have to ask yourself how 
long is it going to take until you have access in that train (or anywhere else 
for that matter)... 

If you think about how much the up/download consumption increased since 
youtube, it would be insane by an ISP to say I don't throttle that specific 
type of traffic, there will always be one other to deliver. ( ...and please 
don't buy into that sry, the Internet is currently full :D )



 and let's you forget about vendor lock-in due to DRM.

This used to be true but sadly isn't any more - Adobe Flash based
video streaming includes actual DRM.

But still flash runs in every browser, hence every device capable of 
Internet-connectivity (has a browser) is able to receive that stream.

Also, streaming is often (mistakenly) perceived as a form of DRM.

If the thing is accessible for everyone, no one has an interest in stealing it, 
hence DRM is useless.  Accessible could also mean, for appropriately little 
money or an appropriate flat rate...  

 (P2P-)Downloading is yesterday's beer.
 ...
 I am specualting that Amazon's streaming makes use of P2P technology

;-)

As said before there is a distinguishable difference between streaming and 
downloading, hence even if P2P downloading is old, P2P streaming is quite the 
sizzle...

Still I agree that the general question donwloading vs. streaming is now more 
interesting, the tech comes in handy later.

All the best,
Sebnem


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[backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like

2008-07-18 Thread Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT)
Having to go fishing for your fish  chips (ok, I'm not very good with 
metaphors - big deal ;)

Anyway, Amazon's streaming now, too: 
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/technology/17amazon.html?_r=1scp=2sq=amazonst=cseoref=slogin
...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading 
the video file to the PC's hard drive...

I believe this is the single viable option, and is true to the 
antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of the Internet and let's you forget 
about vendor lock-in due to DRM.

(P2P-)Downloading is yesterday's beer. How long does it take to get a show with 
iPlayer? Are there any numbers comparing the flash version and the iPlayer 
client usage? 


All the best,
Sebnem 


P.S. for the P2P-at-heart among you: I am specualting that Amazon's streaming 
makes use of P2P technology (as well as their EC2 and S3: 
http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2007/10/amazons_dynamo.html )



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