Re: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online
Great! Sam Mbale Mpelembe Network http://www.mpelembe.net Follow me on http://twitter.com/mpelembe On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tvwrote: When I was at BT Broadcast we needed the OS data to do proper radial distance (as the crow would fly if it were made of light) and I think it cost us a 10% share of £25m, as I recall. Now I must get around to using the wikileaks postcode data to create some edge-traced KML postcode zone layres to mix up with upmystreet.com's ACORN groups... 2009/11/18 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk Wow, I'm shocked. I remember the first day I took over backstage talking to the OS about copying backstage in the OS. They had a mapping API but it was private beta only and I think lacked core functions and data people doing mashups would have liked. Anyway once the door is open, its very hard to close it, after the horse has bolted. Aka this maybe the start of something very big. Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -- *From:* owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth *Sent:* 18 November 2009 10:32 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online The online maps would be free to all, including commercial users who, previously, had to acquire expensive and restrictive licences at £5,000 per usage, a fee many entrepreneurs felt was too high. About time too. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online
Brian Butterworth wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online The online maps would be free to all, including commercial users who, previously, had to acquire expensive and restrictive licences at £5,000 per usage, a fee many entrepreneurs felt was too high. About time too. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online Questions remain. For example - freely available data that can be used commercially can mean a lot of things - some of which are a lot more useful than others. Is this freely distributable vector data, with a license like cc-by-sa? Or is it a virtual map, like google, where you only get to see tiles, and cannot legally derive data from them, or copy them for use in other situations. The first allows more or less any use. The second might not allow for example: Taking the data, and rendering a cycling map deemphasiseing motorways, and emphasising cyclepaths. Crowdsourcing traffic data, and using it in a free routing application. Adding housenumbers to a copy of the map. ... The OS already claims that you cannot draw a line on an OS map, without that line being derived from the OS map, and requiring a license to show that line to others. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online
I would love OS maps to be a view in Google Maps. OS maps are far superior to Google's. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Ian Stirling backstage...@mauve.plus.com wrote: Brian Butterworth wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online The online maps would be free to all, including commercial users who, previously, had to acquire expensive and restrictive licences at £5,000 per usage, a fee many entrepreneurs felt was too high. About time too. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online Questions remain. For example - freely available data that can be used commercially can mean a lot of things - some of which are a lot more useful than others. Is this freely distributable vector data, with a license like cc-by-sa? Or is it a virtual map, like google, where you only get to see tiles, and cannot legally derive data from them, or copy them for use in other situations. The first allows more or less any use. The second might not allow for example: Taking the data, and rendering a cycling map deemphasiseing motorways, and emphasising cyclepaths. Crowdsourcing traffic data, and using it in a free routing application. Adding housenumbers to a copy of the map. ... The OS already claims that you cannot draw a line on an OS map, without that line being derived from the OS map, and requiring a license to show that line to others. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online The online maps would be free to all, including commercial users who, previously, had to acquire expensive and restrictive licences at £5,000 per usage, a fee many entrepreneurs felt was too high. About time too. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
RE: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online The online maps would be free to all, including commercial users who, previously, had to acquire expensive and restrictive licences at £5,000 per usage, a fee many entrepreneurs felt was too high. About time too. Some interesting discussion of these developments happening on the OSM-talk list (from what it seems, it's not fully free (as in speech), more like a subset of the information with the possibility of more being made available at a later date if the right people prod the OS enough ;)
RE: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online
Wow, I'm shocked. I remember the first day I took over backstage talking to the OS about copying backstage in the OS. They had a mapping API but it was private beta only and I think lacked core functions and data people doing mashups would have liked. Anyway once the door is open, its very hard to close it, after the horse has bolted. Aka this maybe the start of something very big. Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 18 November 2009 10:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online The online maps would be free to all, including commercial users who, previously, had to acquire expensive and restrictive licences at £5,000 per usage, a fee many entrepreneurs felt was too high. About time too. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online
When I was at BT Broadcast we needed the OS data to do proper radial distance (as the crow would fly if it were made of light) and I think it cost us a 10% share of £25m, as I recall. Now I must get around to using the wikileaks postcode data to create some edge-traced KML postcode zone layres to mix up with upmystreet.com's ACORN groups... 2009/11/18 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk Wow, I'm shocked. I remember the first day I took over backstage talking to the OS about copying backstage in the OS. They had a mapping API but it was private beta only and I think lacked core functions and data people doing mashups would have liked. Anyway once the door is open, its very hard to close it, after the horse has bolted. Aka this maybe the start of something very big. Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -- *From:* owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth *Sent:* 18 November 2009 10:32 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online The online maps would be free to all, including commercial users who, previously, had to acquire expensive and restrictive licences at £5,000 per usage, a fee many entrepreneurs felt was too high. About time too. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
